I swear any women that come here for advice are just told to lift, or told to do holistic lifting.
She doesn’t need fricking lats or delts or traps. She just needs adductors, abductors, glutes, quads. Now there’s a lot more bulky and beefy ladies on here wondering “now what” or upset they’re starting to look manly. (And they still don’t know how to pose)
i can smell you from here you rancid pig
Looks the exact same in both pictures, nobody told you to eat like a fatass and be 30% bodyfat you dumb hoe. You gotta lose 30-40lbs first
30% is recommended for females. She’d probably look better if she’d just done lower body routines.
Men with more than 15% are fat
Obese means that you are so fat you are going to die from it. Women are still overweight until about 20% and men until 15%
Morbidly obese means you're so fat you're going to have health complications. 40% bf is roughly where morbid territory begins. Morbid obesity=/obesity
31% is the edge to where it isnt necessarily harming you, dumbass
Holy frick you're a literally assloving Black person.
>Stop
no I won't stop
Imagine if she trained upper body as hard as lower body
>Imagine if she trained upper body as hard as lower body
it would be incredibly hot, would sex-mog weaker women with her mere presence
Most dudes don’t want that and think the before pic is perfect.
Left is disgusting. And I’ve gone hogging plenty
damn, improved her body at the expense of her face.
lol i've met that women irl
i saw her in a pl competition and she leg mogged all of us mercilesly
right is better
>what do you not like women, are you gay!!!!!
so true
>Makes sense. Slim or slim with muscles/small breasts/thigh gap seem to be the favorites.
like i said, tastes will vary and putting what you are comfortable with or want for yourself first is what matters. if you do want to lean in to your natural attributes and go the ogre-mode route picrel is kind of an idea of where that can go for bustier girls. you aren't at all limited, bulking and cutting and switching up programs are there to allow you to experiment with your physique. as for body fat measurements i have to disagree with
and say that bf% calipers are far superior to any of the tape measure tests for a simple and economical way to measure bf%.
>go the ogre-mode route picrel is kind of an idea of where that can go for bustier girls.
I wouldn't be comfortable if my upper body looked like that. She looks like a big girl height wise so it looks fine on her. I'll continue to see this girl
as inspo, I'd like to look like this, but just a bit less muscular.
good you have an idea of your goals, in terms of getting there how familiar are you with nutrition and programming? have you read the sticky?
Read the sticky, but it's all still pretty new to me
>Read the sticky, but it's all still pretty new to me
get the basics on nutrition ie tdee and macros down especially if you want to cut right away. programming might seem a little more complicated at first but once you understand the basic concepts it's pretty straightforward. i don't know if the program picker is still in the sticky so here is the link: http://www.rohitnair.net/pp/# . got any questions rn fire away.
>got any questions rn fire away.
Arms and ass are the main things I'd like to work on. I'm pretty scared of the stage where I'll be gaining weight even though it'll be muscle, how do you guys deal with that? It might be different for men.
>I'm pretty scared of the stage where I'll be gaining weight even though it'll be muscle, how do you guys deal with that?
first off, based on your body composition do you want to cut, caloric restriction to lose weight trying to eliminate bodyfat, or bulk, caloric surplus to add lean mass? you need to get a handle on what your bf% is right now and what a broadly good weight range at a healthy bf% is for your height and build. i mentioned calipers as the best economical way to measure bf% and you can get those here: https://www.amazon.com/Accu-Measure-Fitness-3000-Body-Caliper/dp/B000G7YW74 . it all comes down to tracking, in cut phase that you're losing a good amount of weight in bf per week and in bulking that a good % of the weight you gain is lean mass. being afraid of bulking is a common form of self sabotage. you just have to accept some % of the mass you gain will be fat but understand the goal is to add muscle that will remain long term while fat can be cut cycled back off. these are the extreme basics but as long as you have enough of a handle on this stuff and are keeping to diet+program for your goals at the time there really isn't anything to be scared of.
>It might be different for men.
the principles are the same for men and women. the sex based differences come in things like ability to add lean mass, where, and how fast. a lot of women can get frustrated by bulking because they just can't add lean mass like men can, especially in the upper body. as long as you understand the basic cut/bulk principles and stick to diet+program you'll still make progress even if it takes time.
>do you want to cut, caloric restriction to lose weight trying to eliminate bodyfat, or bulk, caloric surplus to add lean mass?
I don't mind losing a few more pounds, I can go down to 113 max at my height. I'd like to gain muscle more than anything, powerful legs would be nice to have.
>you just have to accept some % of the mass you gain will be fat but understand the goal is to add muscle that will remain long term while fat can be cut cycled back off. these are the extreme basics but as long as you have enough of a handle on this stuff and are keeping to diet+program for your goals at the time there really isn't anything to be scared of.
Thank you for clarifying.
>you'll still make progress even if it takes time.
Thank you taking the time out of your day to write all this out. One more question, do you think a personal trainer is something to look into?
>One more question, do you think a personal trainer is something to look into?
there are great pts and awful pts. i have seen others experience and experienced myself going in to a pt at an average gym, giving them an outline of goals and ideal timeline to reach them, state of diet, etc and then they just give you the same crappy cookie cutter circuit workout they give everyone. that kind of pt is just there for your money and will likely talk down to you even if you're already at or near their level of fitness knowledge. at least try and find someone with an actual background in strength sports or bodybuilding and knowing everything you've said about your goals it may be worth it for you to just find a bodybuilding coach who does more general pt type fitness coaching as well. good luck femanon, wagmi
>at least try and find someone with an actual background in strength sports or bodybuilding and knowing everything you've said about your goals it may be worth it for you to just find a bodybuilding coach who does more general pt type fitness coaching as well. good luck femanon, wagmi
Thank you anon, you've helped me a lot. The women you've been posting have amazing bodies, great inspo.
Aline sexo
>right pic
In the thumbnail it looks like she has a dick
Left makes me drool, right makes me gag
Imagine if she wasn’t a prostitute
This picture is literally 90% genetics 8% angles and 2% muscle. Imagine being too moronic to understand what muscular women actually look like.
Muscle is gross
u might be moronic if u don't know she is just outfit maxxed
>no I won't stop
based; we will create more beautiful ogre women and musclefus and there is nothing op can do about it
This is just roids though. You are giving natty women misconceptions.
the have a very pretty, very natty ogre-mode girl
>Even dudes on fit can’t agree on what the ideal woman looks like
as this board used to udnerstand before it was flooded by normies and demoralizers all kinds of women can be pretty but the tomboys, wheyfus, freaky style fbbs, and ogre-mode women are our IST girls
>Most dudes don’t want that and think the before pic is perfect.
most men on a deep level want a woman who is powerful and primal in addition to nurturing and feminine but have had this desire beaten down by a society that exists to make both men and women weak
based and blessed anon
Nice to see another shebulk conniseur
> most men on a deep level want a woman who is powerful and primal in addition to nurturing and feminine
bro is projecting his mommy issues on all of men respectfully my guy nothing wrong with wanting a girl who is feminine but it is the complete opposite of that if you’re describing a muscle monster of a woman as being feminine
dumb mf’er
>bro is projecting his mommy issues on all of men respectfully my guy nothing wrong with wanting a girl who is feminine but it is the complete opposite of that if you’re describing a muscle monster of a woman as being feminine
exact example of what i'm talking about, you've fallen for the normie programming and letting society decline due to low standards. imagine not wanting to marry and make 8 babies with picrel
In desperate need for a girl like that…
I don’t know how much longer I can handle it…
You’re in desperate need for a bawd?
So only you guys will want them? You call them ogres, you know what you’re encouraging. Even dudes on fit can’t agree on what the ideal woman looks like but by the time she sees results she’s too manly for a lot of guys.
Women literally cannot become manly if you don't take roids. Stop with this bullshit.
Why can't there be a range of acceptable body types for fit women?
JUST GO SLEEP WITH MEN IN WIGS homosexual. STOP RUINING WHAT FEW FRICKABLE WOMEN WE HAVE LEFT
>y-y-you're gay!
normie shill posters like you will not be tolerated, IST has always loved musclefus and ogre-mode
>anon, I have again forgotten to wear deodorant to the gym, and today was an especially hard workout. Taste me
>grabs the back of your head and shoves your face into her armpit
sexo unironically
based
we will all get qt musclefu and ogre-mode tomboy gfs soon anon, wagmi
are you bi or gay, by chance? I can't see how it's possible to find this hot without being at least kind of gay. Not that there's anything wrong with being gay.
nta but a fit, athletic woman looks fricking great. My crush runs, does a lot of plank and does a lot of physical shit and she's steaming hot.
So what are you going to do about it?
Shitpost... as you can see...
Okay, so how about this instead. You’re already not dating her. You’ve got literally nothing to lose. Sack up and ask her out.
I’d want her to make me earn it via CNC by wrestling her down and forcing myself in her, just so she knows I deserve her pussy.
>I’d want her to make me earn it via CNC by wrestling her down and forcing myself in her, just so she knows I deserve her pussy.
loving and playful wrestling with your ogre-mode gf is peak romance, idk about "cnc" but as long as it's what she wants that's still wholesome
either a jealous normie femoid or discord demoralizer troony. being physically fit and powerful amplifies the beauty of tomboys, musclefus, and ogre-mode girls; it's a component of true peak femininity
>liking women with big hips, massive thighs, and huge butts, and at a fertile bf% is GAY
>we
lmao get a load of this fricking guy
he thinks he has claim to pussy
lol
lmao even
She hasn't changed at all. Maybe add in cardio and cut your calorie intake... And still do full body.
Let me be real with you, flabby upper arms are quite literally the ugliest fricking thing a women can have and I'm not kidding, because nine times out of ten any other ugly features always come paired with it. They can be scrawny (sure whatever ignore this if your baseline is pipe cleaner arms and absolutely zero love handles) but not flabby and fat. Next to no man will tell you it directly but it's true.
If you aren't a hambeast and you work upper body, the definition gain will correct this problem. Your arms won't be manly either, it's actually kind of hilarious you think you can grow enough muscles there natty and look manly. You're a women so that shit does not happen.
Please just do full body. It can be hard to know what the other sex actually finds attractive with so much disinformation online, but please just trust this anon.
Extremely redpilled post. Fat arms are fricking gross and the women of today already have these ghastly turgid sausage arms in their early 20s
Nah. Nice lats and traps are hot on a woman and they help with the hourglass look.
She became whiter? also her flappy arms are gone, good.
She went from 7/10 to 10/10
Look at the dates, it’s winter.
You REALLY think OP is riods? She posts in /fat/ and /CBT/ every month or so.
>You REALLY think OP is riods?
Nobody said that you illiterate kid. Literally everyone has said she doesn't look manly.
>You REALLY think OP is riods? She posts in /fat/ and /CBT/ every month or so.
No. This one is simply obese.
I Wonder Why she posts in /fat/… maybe she thinks she’s underweight.
You're moronic and shouldn't post
>upset they’re starting to look manly.
It's because steroids, imbecile
Or she could just work lower body and core and be very feminine and strong.
Is this achievable in 2 years?
Probably not, no. But it's achievable before you get too old.
A lot of people don't realize this, but that is just what a healthy body looks like for her age. If you live a healthy life, you just start to look good. What I'm saying is yo you shouldn't ask those kinds of questions and you should instead just try to be healthy like she is so you're moving good and pain free by the time your an old lady. If you do that, you will look better and better just by a side effect.
I’d say that entirely depends on where you start from, your diet, and how committed to lifting you are.
Results will definitely vary if you’re starting overweight/obese/underweight
Other anon was also kinda right about body type. Depends a lot also on how you store body fat and your bone structure, but I’d still say with enough hard work this is achievable for most women. Picrel is really really shitty genetics.
>posts girl that openly uses roids
lmao
Hee body is clearly achievable natty. I've only heard she regulates her insulin because she's diabetic. Does she actually use roids or are you full of shit?
Yeah no even if she does juice, that’s achievable. And oh yeah, she’s just built thicc and feminine. Big lower body.
Legs are less than this, but obvious fyi: if you get meaty legs like this and have to stop working out, your legs are going to feel massive and fat once the muscle relaxes. It doesn't take long to get it back to good, but it's also like 3 weeks of not working out to get to baggy, saggy legs
>T.moron that has no idea how anatomy works
The single bike ride that it takes to visually 'firm' up my legs isn't spontaneously rebuilding all the muscle in my legs. Maybe something to due with the higher fat storage in the legs
Is it worth it to lose my large breasts to go into full muscle mode?
Training muscle won't reduce breast tissue and it also won't necessarily reduce fat either.
If you're so fat that a significant portion of your breasts will be lost by losing weight you need to realize men find excess fat more unappealing then they find breasts that are only large due to fat attractive. If you're not even needing or trying to lose fat then the premise you're asking about is just plain wrong.
I'm 125 at 5'5' so I don't believe I qualify as fat.
I have big breasts and curves. I'd like to get more toned, specifically my arms that have some stubborn fat. Also a bigger ass would be nice, but the one I have now fits my shape.
At BMI of 20, you’re on the lower end of normal. I’m kinda surprised you could be curvy or flabby
I have large hips and thighs and breasts with a small waist so some would define that as curvy. My ass and arms could be better. That patty girl looks good with her muscle.
you can lean in to the assets you already have while improving those lacking areas by going a little in the ogre-mode direction femanon, get on a program that ahs you hitting heavy squats and dls for lower body and at least bench+accessories for upper body. dialing in diet will come with time and experimentation.
THAT IS A MAN!
>THAT IS A MAN!
it's a beautiful, strong ogre-mode girl
>Is this what I need to look like to land a fit guy?
what guys are attracted to varies, there is no set type and guys generally are more varied in their tastes than women. don't let trying to be what you think will attract someone stop you from being comfortable with yourself. that being said, if you are looking for a guy who is IST in the sense of living the lifestyle and does powerlifting, bodybuilding, strongman, crossfit, etc the chances he will be looking for and attracted to women who also do those things and have a similar attitude are higher.
>if you are looking for a guy who is IST in the sense of living the lifestyle and does powerlifting, bodybuilding, strongman, crossfit, etc the chances he will be looking for and attracted to women who also do those things and have a similar attitude are higher.
Makes sense. Slim or slim with muscles/small breasts/thigh gap seem to be the favorites.
I used a tape measurer. Bust is 33, waist is 24, and hips are 39. Pretty screwed when it comes to my hips, but I'll make the best of it.
Keep your current diet for the most part only adding greater protein intake. Do basic weights and cardio. Progress at a normal rate and read up proper form and technique. Don't trust shitty social media routines or memes, you can find something from muscle and strength dot com for starters, it tells you everything.
This seems like a simple case of needing to redistribute rather than bulk or cut. Note, progress takes a long time, so be prepared for that. After a few months however you start enjoying it and never want to miss workouts, so there's that.
>adding greater protein intake.
That's what I've been doing, mainly in the form of shakes at the moment.
That's true, I've weighed less due to my body dysmorphia since I've always wanted to be waiflike, but my genetics won't allow that. I have no choice but to make the best of what I've been given. Surgery is an option, but it seems stupid to do it.
I'm normal weight.
>Picrel is really really shitty genetics.
Yeah, at the very least my fat goes to my lower body/breasts (and arms unfortunately) instead of my stomach or waist This girl
is perfect.
Is this what I need to look like to land a fit guy?
Very few men actually want that Mongolian warrior. It is impressive but that’s barely a woman. But every man’s ideal female body is different, these threads alone should tell you that. If your end goal is to attract a specific man than I’d try and see what type of woman that specific type of man likes best. Your goals are your own, OP pic is working down from a BMI of like 34 or some shit and is trying to mitigate loose skin with muscle. Personally? No I don’t think upper body muscle looks good on a woman at all. Lower body is peak.
is definitely peak female. She is achievable Marty. What would you even need surgery for?
Picrel is disgusting to me, they all look like dudes. But I’m sure dudes on this board froth for them.
>What would you even need surgery for?
Surgery for a breast reduction in hopes of achieving a waiflike figure, but I would have to worry about my hips and thighs so there's no point in a reduction. Plus I would look unbalanced with small breasts. Being super skinny will always be the best look, but I'll never have the heroin chic body. Okay, I'm done blogposting.
>It is impressive but that’s barely a woman.
The first woman doesn't look too bad in the face, still feminine.
Oh i meant the Mongolian is barely a woman.
Reduction only helps if theyre REALLY big and you’re way too too heavy, or they’re already saggy at the ripe old age of 23. I know what you mean about herion chic, even Disney channel girls used to be VERY VERY slim and it left an imprint. But you do have to accept you’re just not built that way, and if you want you can definitely still change it. Start using one of the calorie tracker apps and see how much abouts you’re actually consuming and what your macros look like if you don’t already, and try to gauge your body fat % if you can. You can try the tried and true tape measure test, as FEMALE visual charts have a lot of variation.
I don't have a similar shape to any of these women currently. Posting my photo would probably help, but I know what tends to happen when a femanon posts. I'm gonna try the true tape test like you mentioned.
Like I said women’s charts can be wonky. Absolutely best to just use a tape measurer, there’s no real room for error.
I want to get to 15%. I've been riding my bike after dinner. And doing some free weights and equipment free exercises at home. Changed my diet and counting calories. I want to see how much I can accomplish at home, before I go to a gym.
Look at this bawd going from a "butterface" to "just an ugly hag" FOR ONLY 30K
My favorite is the 35% and 40% no one else on that list is even intriguing to me
None of them are attractive. The sub 20% would be good if they had wider hips.
NEVER get a breast reduction. That will knock off HALF of your attractiveness and will ensure you will never get your dream man
99% of men will always prefer the bigger breasts. And it ruins your nipples
don't get it while morbidly obese* She could have shrunk her breasts by losing weight instead of cutting them off.
This. She is clearly overweight but instead of putting down the fork she got surgery that makes it look like she has a hormonal issue.
If I can save just one titcow from being mutilated into just a fat girl, it is worth the effort
don't get breast reduction, especially not for aesthetics, they always frick them up, look at what happened to siri dahl, that shit is fricking hideous
No. You’ll only get tiny manlets who want dommy mommy or other rioders.
Nope. Idk how this is so har for both men and women to understand, but you can’t look like whatever you want. Your genetics lock you into a specific body type. The best move is to optimize you specific body. If you have big breasts/curves then you should see lay into those strengths and go natty ogre mode without obsessing over having low bf (which is also unhealthy for women). If you were a skinny chick with no breasts or ass at all then going full otter mode with an emphasis on glutes would be best. Use common sense
>which is also unhealthy for women
For everyone it is. Women just need higher bf than men
Ik. It’s just way worse for women. They literally stop ovulating when bf is too low (usually sub 10%)
It is nearly impossible for a healthy woman to be single digit body fat. It's quite unlikely such women can menstruate.
Like this disgusting bawd for instance.
You do realize that woman now looks like this, right?
Well yea, all 4 of those are roiders.
>You do realize that woman now looks like this, right?
She was too perfect for this world, so the god had to give her mental issues.
That’s not God’s handiwork, that’s the opposition.
Sorry fatty I didn't read your post.
No, I don't think so.
does she frick latinx
She doesn't look manly, she looks fat. Lose weight.
You posted just one autistic fat moron, where are the other women?
More women should have powerful muscular physiques
>More women should have powerful muscular physiques
so true
sexo
Post body. I need to see what type of cretin you.
mommy?
someone use AI to expose her clit boner
Women need at least the strength to counter act large breast back pain.
Thank you for listening to my TED talk
Based. Every time a b***h whines about her breasts being “too big” and “hurting her back” I want to smack the shit out of her, especially if she starts blabbing on about breast reduction. Her breasts aren’t the problem. Her shit posture and weak ass back is
Women at my gym gravitate towards the lats machine like flies towards shit.
>Stop telling women to do full body
YOU HORRIBLE EVIL PERSON, WOMEN WITH STRONG MUSCLES ARE AWESOME!
I dont think this is the right way to cope with your homosexuality you mega homosexual
Is that even a real woman because I see zero tattoos or cuts in arms?
Are you blind or le trolling?
I see cuts and a tattoo.
I was merely acting moronic, trust me bro. The blacked part of the arm is obviously a covered tattoo, you can see part of it in one of the pictures.
You have to consider the rest of your physique. if you're short, have short limbs and are not naturally lean then bulking up will just make you look blocky.
Full body works fine for women. You just can't tell because she's fat lmao
just lift lol. a woman will never get "huge" from just lifting. bait thread
sex
sex
sex
So when are you losing the weight
lol .. ladies dont get bulky with out fricking roids you dumb Black person
IST b***hes are hot, some of you motherfrickers are just huge cowards.
Fit women tend to have higher self-esteem and a lot of nonnies here are shit tier
Anon you just outed yourself as a shut in that never talks to women. Insecurity is directly correlated with how well someone maintains their appearance. The more insecure you are the better you take care of yourself. Fit and hot women are almost always extremely insecure. Same applies to men. Outliers to this are people who don’t use their insecurity constructively and instead attempt to hide their disgusting bodies.
good morning mam
open cloth pls
i must do the needful with fine bobs
>unironically believing that women will turn into muscle ogres if they start doing bench press
lol, lmao
Have you ever been to a gym?
>NOOO DON'T TELL THIS OR THAT PERSON TO GO DO A FORM OF PHYSICAL EXERCISE THEY ENJOY AND FOLLOW A WELL ROUNDED ROUTINE
>EVERYTHING EVERYONE DOES MUST BE FRAMED WITHIN BEING LOOKSMAXED ACCORDING TO DERANGED TERMINALLY ONLINE ILLNESS
we are reclaiming this board and 90% of you sick puppies won't make the cut
Absolutely not, look at the results
Then maybe she should stay away from men's hobbies. Women get skinny by not eating or by relieving themselves of food in the bathroom like a lady before it makes them fat
women don't need to lift at all. Bodyweight exercises and cardio is all they need. Swimming, gymnastics, ballet, running, vaulting, etc. Bulging muscles are weird on a girl.
>She just needs adductors, abductors, glutes, quads
I'm not walking around with a disproportionate body looking like Nicki Minaj. I do not wear cheap stretch clothes either and there's no reason for anybody to have noodle arms and see nasty saggy fat tissue. Fat arms are not attractive.
I hope going full muscle mood will make me loose my breasts and make them super small
mode*
*lose
Blame crossfit/pilates gyms, feminism, fashion industry trends, cosplayers/influencers/youtubers/twitchers/tik tokers onlyfans type women and simps. Welcome op to the social darwinism with his little friend: survival of the fittest. Get comfy to the early years of the age of the apocalypse.
>2 months
ok
It has nothing to do with the amount of muscles you silly idiot, she just didn't lose enough weight which is the most important thing for women.
It doesn’t really matter what 99% of women do in the gym. They are never going to put on significant mass anywhere but their lower body. Women are just built like that unless they have freaky hormones. I have female friends who compete in national powerlifting and they just look like a regular woman with thunder thighs.
women should not lift
I refuse.
>Stop telling women to do full body
No. Muscles are muscles, and all muscles need to be exercised.