just train it at lighter weight, it will keep your chest perpetually underdeveloped thus still feeling challenging (and fun) relative to your artificially suppressed strength level
Yeah it is the bodypart that is focused on the most, for both men and women. But having a big chest doesn't make you look aesrthetic. Being lean with good muscle mass where your body looks like armor makes you look aesthetic.
>Chest is the most overrated muscle for aesthetics
For who? Girls drool at guys with big pecs.
male aesthetic values and female aesthetic values are different
https://i.imgur.com/D9OUyep.jpg
Stop training chest
this is what women want when they say they like guys "who are bigger" (ie. than ottermoders)
bodybuilders are an incredibly niche fetish, pecs that look like breasts are what women like
>Chest is the most overrated muscle for aesthetics
For who? Girls drool at guys with big pecs.
In my experience, women do not like big chests, they like big back and shoulders. Also big glutes. Women are usually turned off big chests and think it looks silly. Same for quads. You'll notice why: quads and chest are usually viewed as feminizing the male body. Big chest usually does have the appearance of breasts at a certain point. Shoulders and back are usually viewed as the masculine muscles.
yeah I didn't mean the masses
they like competition rowers physiques, no argument there
I meant the ones who genuinely have a thing for weightlifter bodies (without entering into gymbro dating for clout that's a whole different thing)
Pecs are the part that appeals to women who love "big guys" over "fit guys"
Shoulders are a part of normal female sexuality, pecs are the fetishized part
It’s best not to overcomplicate things. What I believe is they like whatever looks normal and proportional to each individual person. As soon as somethings wrong or abnormal is when things get all fricked. A big chest on someone it doesn’t belong on looks ridiculous the same way when people roid people get turned off, it just looks unnatural. And you either have an aesthetic/proportional flow or you don’t
It’s best not to overcomplicate things. What I believe is they like whatever looks normal and proportional to each individual person. As soon as somethings wrong or abnormal is when things get all fricked. A big chest on someone it doesn’t belong on looks ridiculous the same way when people roid people get turned off, it just looks unnatural. And you either have an aesthetic/proportional flow or you don’t
I do 100 hundred percent believe a strong upper back, solid butt and shoulders are always consistently a universal attractive feature on men
Correction: stop training lower chest
I swapped Bench for Incline Bench as a main lift long time ago. No b***h breasts for me, I prefer the plate armor look
he is obviously a natty and there is only so much shit you can show for as a natty. he needs to fatten/bulk up if he wants to do bigger numbers but thats bad for his content.
Trained chest looking like man-boobs is only a roidtroony thing, you cannot change my mind.
I've never seen a natty, lean 405 bencher with breasts, just a really aesthetic chest.
The only reason his chest looks like that is because of his genetics (and epigenetic changes caused by prior steroid use). The likelihood is that most people will not have a chest like that regardless of how much they train.
So basically in gaming a 'sleeper' is a build where your character doesn't look particularly impressive but they absolutely decimate when given the opportunity.
I've been researching fitness and I'm essentially trying to 'gamify' it to maintain my interest. I always opt for sleeper builds because I'm not interested in vanity but I like to subvert expectations and dominate people who you wouldn't expect me to, so that's how I want to approach fitness.
I understand that to develop this I need to focus on strength sets (1-5 reps) rather than hypertrophy (8-12) and build the 'skill' of strength. I do not intend on cutting and have no interest in gaining weight. I have no interest in looking 'visibly' muscular because I feel like it would put me to close to these hedonistic vanity-based tiktok bodybuilders who have very different motivations. I just want to be a normal looking dude who can be crazy strong when he needs to be.
I haven't started yet as I'm still developing my strategy. I'm wondering if there are any tricks or exercises that will help me develop strength while limiting potential hypertrophy as much as possible. I'm already including deadlifts, snatches, cleans (no jerk or presses as they're very shoulder isolating) and farmers carrys for example.
lol imagine being told your whole life you can do anything, sliding by in college somehow and being legally qualified to design something, everyone takes you seriously and believes in girlboss queenshit and the day after you build that bridge it kills 12 people and all your girlfriend coworkers are blaming each other. >lets bring women into a real line of work!
this graphic is incredibly informative if you interpret it not as what women find most attractive by %, but as the lower percentage being features women take for granted so much they don't even register them as being important. the joke about women not acknowledging the existence of ugly men relates to this
chest isn't broken down, it's including shoulders
the 9% V-cut vs 13% abs is probably your representation of hard fetish lower body vs regular sexuality lower body interest
13% like the abs, 9% want to look up and see a v-cut and snail trail dusting of hair while they're giving head
https://i.imgur.com/o1iwEzq.png
>2% face
yeah okay lmao, let's trust women with literally anything
pic unrelated 😉
women have never rated male facial aesthetics highly or considered them strongly when dating, they just do not see our faces as a primary feature of appeal
and if they do see them as a primary feature of appeal they're gonna want you to wear makeup and a maid dress and bite the pillow, you're the girl to them
any face above a 6/10 gets a pass if the body fits what they like
any face above a 3/10 can slide through if they have a strong, super specific fetish or the guy genuinely makes them safe and secure and loved in a borderline electra complex paternal way
faces 9/10 and above actually threaten them if they're not into pegging and only instagram clout girls (superficial and only care about clout) and BL fujoshis (ie. the ones who do the pegging) really go for guys who are as pretty or prettier than them
you just explained like 5 different reasons and ways that face is important.
I'd guess you're hispanic, that works for you, but in White America it's 100% the face. Soigays with no muscle get ladies everyday and gymcels rot. It is what it is, I love the gym though and still lift for women.
neither is broken into its components
chest includes the entire upper body from pecs to shoulders
hair includes all hair, top of the head, facial, body hair
both have some hyper specific focused forms of interest beyond "not balding" and "no man-breasts" like "must be balding" and "must have man-breasts"
you have to remember that the majority of a woman's interests are built off of either A) their father B) their first puppy love or C) the sexual assault they experienced as a child
to the women who actually had a decent relationship with their father that means thinning hair and a beer gut are a guilty pleasure and only cloutchasing holds them back from going for those guys
you just explained like 5 different reasons and ways that face is important.
I'd guess you're hispanic, that works for you, but in White America it's 100% the face. Soigays with no muscle get ladies everyday and gymcels rot. It is what it is, I love the gym though and still lift for women.
of course it's important but that doesn't mean that it's important to be a 10/10 man or it's over for you
because you know who one of the most important faces to millennial women is?
fricking michael cera
michael cera is the idea of peak male facial aesthetic for a massive amount of women alive and single (mothers, lel) today
they dont think he's a 9/10, he barely scrapes 8/10 if they're honest and not deluding themselves, but something about Scott Pilgrim ruining an entire generation of women has made his tiny pathetic 8/10 teenager face the "peak facial aesthetic" that they're chasing
formative years events shape a womans desires and they get as weird and arcane as the guys who commission 30 foot cutouts of their waifu to stand outside their apartment complex
you are male
you have male aesthetic values
your views on women's aesthetic values are informed by ISTcels who are chasing the body that will win the woman of their dreams without ever stopping to consider how they're going to meet her (talking to women) or if she likes that body type anyway
Titty ass homie got D cups. Come here sweet cheeks. Lemme beat that shit up while them man breasts flop about. Make you sissygasm and drip milk at the same time nah mean
What the frick is going on with IST I just saw that other thread where it says "THIS IS ALL YOU NEED" and it's some random twink, and now bird chests are being advocated for? This is all some psyop right?
Chest is the most overrated muscle for aesthetics. Sadly its super fun to train so Ill kerp doing it, nerd
just train it at lighter weight, it will keep your chest perpetually underdeveloped thus still feeling challenging (and fun) relative to your artificially suppressed strength level
>Chest is the most overrated muscle for aesthetics
For who? Girls drool at guys with big pecs.
Yeah it is the bodypart that is focused on the most, for both men and women. But having a big chest doesn't make you look aesrthetic. Being lean with good muscle mass where your body looks like armor makes you look aesthetic.
male aesthetic values and female aesthetic values are different
this is what women want when they say they like guys "who are bigger" (ie. than ottermoders)
bodybuilders are an incredibly niche fetish, pecs that look like breasts are what women like
In my experience, women do not like big chests, they like big back and shoulders. Also big glutes. Women are usually turned off big chests and think it looks silly. Same for quads. You'll notice why: quads and chest are usually viewed as feminizing the male body. Big chest usually does have the appearance of breasts at a certain point. Shoulders and back are usually viewed as the masculine muscles.
yeah I didn't mean the masses
they like competition rowers physiques, no argument there
I meant the ones who genuinely have a thing for weightlifter bodies (without entering into gymbro dating for clout that's a whole different thing)
Pecs are the part that appeals to women who love "big guys" over "fit guys"
Shoulders are a part of normal female sexuality, pecs are the fetishized part
It’s best not to overcomplicate things. What I believe is they like whatever looks normal and proportional to each individual person. As soon as somethings wrong or abnormal is when things get all fricked. A big chest on someone it doesn’t belong on looks ridiculous the same way when people roid people get turned off, it just looks unnatural. And you either have an aesthetic/proportional flow or you don’t
I do 100 hundred percent believe a strong upper back, solid butt and shoulders are always consistently a universal attractive feature on men
Antiquity understood this. Back, shoulders, arms, glutes, hams > chest, quads (the gay, feminizing muscles).
But I want my moobs to be perky!
this looks like a troony, unironically
>long hair = woman
moron
he just needs a less gay shirt and it would look great, people can tell you have a big chest in normal clothing
Correction: stop training lower chest
I swapped Bench for Incline Bench as a main lift long time ago. No b***h breasts for me, I prefer the plate armor look
nobody trains lower chest. i guarantee you that alex eubank has never in his life done a decline exercise. he "spams" incline bench
Flat bench is still lower chest(sternal). Decline is a meme lmao
I train it since I love doing pec oriented dips.
normal bench is still mainly lower and mid chest. The important thing is just not neglecting upper chest
This just do incline bench. Literally all you need
homie's a top G in more than one way
that is a woman
this is one of ways how roodtroony to troony pipeline works. grow muscleboobs. feel good. think. want realboobs.
Chest and back is all u need!
u^u chest
they're shaped like guitar picks
What went wrong with Alex Eubanks? He was like the biggest influencer for a while
he is obviously a natty and there is only so much shit you can show for as a natty. he needs to fatten/bulk up if he wants to do bigger numbers but thats bad for his content.
He is definitely not natty
Let’s see Andrew banks actual height
Who is Andrew Eubanks?
Andrew Eubanks is falling off hard. It was always going to be over quickly but you still love to see it.
Sam sulek mogs eubank
Eubanks content is made for children
Suleks content is for all ages
I want to lay on his chest as he sings me a lullaby.
ideal natty physique
We got another one, boys.
Honestly this looks so attractive to me. But I love boobs so I’m not sure how women would interpret them
He's like a male version of pic related...
I guess OP found the nexus point between muscle fetishism and bisexuality.
No, I want to have big milkies.
Achievable natty?
only if youre 5'4"
i thought he was 6 ft?
maybe in dog feet
He is.
What’s his actual height he’s gotta be a literal goblin by the looks of his proportions
5ft4?
7ft
maybe, but he probably roided, considering his lack of self control and that he wanted to go pro.
Trained chest looking like man-boobs is only a roidtroony thing, you cannot change my mind.
I've never seen a natty, lean 405 bencher with breasts, just a really aesthetic chest.
Don't tell me how to train stupid homosexual
The only reason his chest looks like that is because of his genetics (and epigenetic changes caused by prior steroid use). The likelihood is that most people will not have a chest like that regardless of how much they train.
Booba
>GWANNY
Overdeveloped chest and quads are terrible for aesthetics. Make you look goofy as shit.
I have bad insertions so I keep training my chest lying to myself that it will fix it.
Getting a 'sleeper' build physique.
So basically in gaming a 'sleeper' is a build where your character doesn't look particularly impressive but they absolutely decimate when given the opportunity.
I've been researching fitness and I'm essentially trying to 'gamify' it to maintain my interest. I always opt for sleeper builds because I'm not interested in vanity but I like to subvert expectations and dominate people who you wouldn't expect me to, so that's how I want to approach fitness.
I understand that to develop this I need to focus on strength sets (1-5 reps) rather than hypertrophy (8-12) and build the 'skill' of strength. I do not intend on cutting and have no interest in gaining weight. I have no interest in looking 'visibly' muscular because I feel like it would put me to close to these hedonistic vanity-based tiktok bodybuilders who have very different motivations. I just want to be a normal looking dude who can be crazy strong when he needs to be.
I haven't started yet as I'm still developing my strategy. I'm wondering if there are any tricks or exercises that will help me develop strength while limiting potential hypertrophy as much as possible. I'm already including deadlifts, snatches, cleans (no jerk or presses as they're very shoulder isolating) and farmers carrys for example.
Thanks in advance big guys, also checked OP
Sleepers are from gaming? I thought it was from cars? Like when you swap the engine or whatever but the outside still looks stock
Touch grass homosexual
Then don't post reasons to train chest
i'm training my chest by taking my little pink pills :3
>women do not like chest
This makes sense with how women mire me. Also older women love ass.
>2% face
yeah okay lmao, let's trust women with literally anything
pic unrelated 😉
a woman drove that car
lol imagine being told your whole life you can do anything, sliding by in college somehow and being legally qualified to design something, everyone takes you seriously and believes in girlboss queenshit and the day after you build that bridge it kills 12 people and all your girlfriend coworkers are blaming each other.
>lets bring women into a real line of work!
this graphic is incredibly informative if you interpret it not as what women find most attractive by %, but as the lower percentage being features women take for granted so much they don't even register them as being important. the joke about women not acknowledging the existence of ugly men relates to this
>1% legs
>height
checks out
chest isn't broken down, it's including shoulders
the 9% V-cut vs 13% abs is probably your representation of hard fetish lower body vs regular sexuality lower body interest
13% like the abs, 9% want to look up and see a v-cut and snail trail dusting of hair while they're giving head
women have never rated male facial aesthetics highly or considered them strongly when dating, they just do not see our faces as a primary feature of appeal
and if they do see them as a primary feature of appeal they're gonna want you to wear makeup and a maid dress and bite the pillow, you're the girl to them
any face above a 6/10 gets a pass if the body fits what they like
any face above a 3/10 can slide through if they have a strong, super specific fetish or the guy genuinely makes them safe and secure and loved in a borderline electra complex paternal way
faces 9/10 and above actually threaten them if they're not into pegging and only instagram clout girls (superficial and only care about clout) and BL fujoshis (ie. the ones who do the pegging) really go for guys who are as pretty or prettier than them
you just explained like 5 different reasons and ways that face is important.
I'd guess you're hispanic, that works for you, but in White America it's 100% the face. Soigays with no muscle get ladies everyday and gymcels rot. It is what it is, I love the gym though and still lift for women.
>really go for guys who are as pretty or prettier than them
literally any white + nonwhite couple
>chest over hair
yeah right lmao
neither is broken into its components
chest includes the entire upper body from pecs to shoulders
hair includes all hair, top of the head, facial, body hair
both have some hyper specific focused forms of interest beyond "not balding" and "no man-breasts" like "must be balding" and "must have man-breasts"
you have to remember that the majority of a woman's interests are built off of either A) their father B) their first puppy love or C) the sexual assault they experienced as a child
to the women who actually had a decent relationship with their father that means thinning hair and a beer gut are a guilty pleasure and only cloutchasing holds them back from going for those guys
of course it's important but that doesn't mean that it's important to be a 10/10 man or it's over for you
because you know who one of the most important faces to millennial women is?
fricking michael cera
michael cera is the idea of peak male facial aesthetic for a massive amount of women alive and single (mothers, lel) today
they dont think he's a 9/10, he barely scrapes 8/10 if they're honest and not deluding themselves, but something about Scott Pilgrim ruining an entire generation of women has made his tiny pathetic 8/10 teenager face the "peak facial aesthetic" that they're chasing
formative years events shape a womans desires and they get as weird and arcane as the guys who commission 30 foot cutouts of their waifu to stand outside their apartment complex
a well built chest looks good, a gymcel's breasts do not
you are male
you have male aesthetic values
your views on women's aesthetic values are informed by ISTcels who are chasing the body that will win the woman of their dreams without ever stopping to consider how they're going to meet her (talking to women) or if she likes that body type anyway
women like pecs that form a rack
do you have a single fact to back that up
the ex-girlfriend who would ride mine
utterly insane but she had the strongest sexual drive of anyone I've ever fricked
I miss the sex, a lot
>shoulder didnt make the cut
doubt
the icon for face has a beard on it. maybe women thought it meant facial hair? chest and shoulders are also combined. this chart sucks
Only 2% face? Dammit! That's my only good feature. That explains a lot actually.
>2% face
Complete bullshit
I have gyno. My breasts only look good if I have pecs.
I had a coworker touch my chest in the elevator once
No.
I will train chest to boob mog the average chick.
Titty ass homie got D cups. Come here sweet cheeks. Lemme beat that shit up while them man breasts flop about. Make you sissygasm and drip milk at the same time nah mean
"Chest Day" "Leg day" "Arm day"
All ghey.
Compounds or gtfo of my gym plebs
I want at least C-cups.
My breasts probably won't be bigger than my wife's because I'm Swedish, but I sure will be competing with her. Same with ass.
No. I want boobs
Unironically you look like a skinny b***h without them
I always wondered if gay men like this guy are overgrowing their breasts just to be able to give titjobs to other men.
That stuff doesn't really happen IRL, just in porn.
Nah chest & benching is the best KYS queer
What the frick is going on with IST I just saw that other thread where it says "THIS IS ALL YOU NEED" and it's some random twink, and now bird chests are being advocated for? This is all some psyop right?