>talking with zoomer gf (I'm 32)
>she shows me some meme with Zyzz
>tell her he died of a heart attack at 22
>"wtf anon he doesn't even look big or roided"
Fake natties have completely destroyed this generation's perception. Girls think that pic related is completely attainable natty now.
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Wait... TikTok zoomers are unaware?
He died a decade ago, anon. Zoomers were still in primary school.
>tell her he died of a heart attack at 22
u sound jelly
I bet ur also the type that says "but hes on steriods" when celebs are talking about muscle and how they got fit for a role.
I mentioned it because the was something like "this is why you should lift" with a pic of him surrounded by girls. I was pointing out that attention cost him his life.
So you are absolutely jealous. Zyzz lived more in 5 years than you will in your whole life.
I am
He was a stripper who died in his early 20's doing drugs. Get better heroes.
I'm jelly of anyone who got to die at 22.
you are.
he gives off nice safe guy vibes and the pick up vid is clearly for clout and hes not a player. once you actually do lots of pick up, you lose that nice guy vibe.
>hes not a player
Heh wait until you see the videos of him out on the town at night when there are women licking food off his body. They know he's a player.
hes a nice safe guy that looks good and girls like. thats not a player. i knew lots of dudes that lots of girls liked with girls around them, but they were still beta mindset about females. if looks was everything, how come so few guys are like Leonarda Dicapio? because being a player takes work and ballz.
OH UH! WE GOT AN EDGY BOI HERE!
There is nothing like coming close to death that makes you want to live. I have seen beheaded bodies in person in front of me. I see edgy bois online hurr I have seen those videos I am so hardcore!!
It's a different world in person. The smell of death is horrific.
Frick me, you'll have the hardest hard on ever after that just living a basic day and being alive.
>zoomers are moronic
More at 11.
Thank you for being baselessly hopeful about life, zyzz, I am inspired to keep living because of your stupidity.
>people will die at 60
Hope I don't live that long kek.
Many invisible homosexuals in this board have talked shit to me and told me to give up. Zyzz told me - and you too - that we are ALL gonna make it. I don't get the hate on the dude even though I am against roids too. Just an incredibly uplifting person who put roasties at their place. Did he do stupid shit? Yeah, he was a fricking 22 yo. That's when people do stupid shit. Get over it. Dude is a legend and will always be remembered both for his physique and his personality. WAGMI.
based. i have nothing against roids. the average person isnt going to use a dosage for ifbb, just similar to what zyzz did.
>you can only do stupid shit when you're 22
You're not the boss of me, I'll show you how moronic I can be.
There's plenty of role models who are uplifting and also actually fit. I personally like Nick Symmonds.
Nick symmonds seems like a narcissist. After I watched him make people recite his stats to him in a video I knew something was off with him.
In a sauna eh? Jeez. I've been in so many intense sweats where i felt like I might die and stayed in anyway. I guess we all go when it's time. Some stars burn hot bright and fast.
The average age of an NFL player is 26
Their average life expectancy is 60
The effects of PEDs
PEDs but also CTE, painkiller and alcohol addiction due to chronic injuries etc
>zyzz is immortal
>zyzz is a legend
>zoomer bawds schlick to zyzz without knowing who he is
The world lost a real one when this homosexual died.
well its because roiders these days are massive
>Girls think that pic related is completely attainable natty now.
it is, zyzz never learned how to train and was laughably small for a roider.
He and his brother just have dense muscle instead of bubbly muscle. He was 95kg and lean at his biggest.
being 90+kg at 187 doesn't make you some extraordinary genetic phenomenon.
Zyzz had extraordinary good muscle insertions.
not really, he mostly had a good chest and core, but very weak shoulders narrow shoulders in combination with disproportional traps that made him look even narrower.
he doesn't have particularly good flow.
are you trying to prove my point?
like I said, he has narrow shoulders, literal dumpy tier proportions even on drugs, and his traps made it look even worse, his arms were never good either because he didn't know how to train, back looked natty.
yet he still looks better than all the current fake natty influencers
not really, that's just selection bias, there's plenty of people that take far less and look far better and won't die at age 22, hell there's plenty of naturals that look better than him since he wasn't particularly big to begin with.
that guy looks worse than zyzz, and its a black and white photo
zyzz hit the perfect balance. much bigger than what he was and its quickly getting into disgusting territory.
you have an awful sense of aesthetics if you think zyzz even came close to that.
>zyzz hit the perfect balance
if only he had a better skeletal structure and smaller traps, but he didn't and just looks dumpy as a result.
he had very good insertions in his core, and a square shaped chest, and that's where it ends, arms were shit, back was shit, shoulders were natty tier, in fact even at his absolute biggest most of his proportions were naturally achievable, you just will never get that chest naturally.
Have you actually measured him or are you just making this shit up? How do you know how many heads tall he was? I think it's very likely he was fashion or heroic.
all im reading is cope
Zyzz looks better than that dude in every single way. Only the most dysmorphic of morons would think otherwise.
>very weak shoulders narrow shoulders
lol. admit it, ur jelly
he had good genetics, like proportion and insertions and aesthetics. That itself is extraordinary genetic phenomenon. he wasnt offensive to the eyes lemme guess u like guys that are 240 lb.
>laughably small for a roider.
dude was too big by the time he was 21
my brother in christ he was around 95kg at his absolute peak, that's not extraordinarily heavy at 187 cm.
feel free to make the comparison here's him from the front that you posted yourself
it should be fairly obvious that he's below average.
imagine roiding but not having roid shoulders.
he had awful genetics for aesthetics considering his shoulder with is barely two heads.
its about proportion, i saw his more recent pics, and he was definitely getting into "too big" territory
this was his absolute peak in terms of size, he died not long after that
if it's about proportion he'd lose because his taper wasn't good due to his frame, he had a lot going for him, but also plenty of flaws that I've already pointed out for you, pay attention to his traps in most of his pictures, they absolutely ruin the way his already narrow shoulders look, most of the examples used of him are poses in which this part of his body specifically doesn't show.
Fairly unflattering photo.
thanks for the rare zyzz but his back still wasn't very good considering his dosages, he really just didn't know how to train, this is also obvious from the training footage that exists, he died before ever reaching his peak.
Certain bodyparts came and went because he didn't know how to cycle his gear that's for sure. That good back photo is before his mid back tat.
do you like this more?
I don't think that's zyzz I'm afraid, notice there's a tattoo on both shoulders, he never had that.
you just want him to like every bodybuilder. if he looked like that, he wouldve just been another gymshark bro.
His festival photos are ironically his worst photos. He didn't like water retention so he didn't even use creatine, he was on fatburners so he would get really flat during a day out without eating a lot of food because he didn't want to bloat his stomach with his shirt off. Turns out intramuscular water is what makes you look big.
his shoulder are clearly past a natty limit already, but yeah, ur right about him not having roid shoulders.
>he had awful genetics for aesthetics
Clearly not, otherwise no one wud be talking about him. hes aesthetic.
Post body you dyel neckbeard
Zyzz WAS a moron
>took high tren cycles for ottermode
>did cycles back to back with no cooldown to let his body recover
>abused drugs while using steroids
It honestly pisses me off that people still talk about this dude 10+ years later. Lots of dudes have gotten better bodies without killing themselves
Zyzz isn't talked about because of his body, but because of his influence and what he managed to do. IST posting WoW playing virgin nerd becomes Internet phenomenon Chad. Changes the entire damn paradigm. A fitness influencer before fitness influencer even existed. To this day you say "we are all going to make it" just because of him. WAGMI mire fuarkkk all of it. Literally made an entire generation of men start lifting weights.
>Chad
>wasn’t in a fraternity
topkek
True. Bum is the ultimate Chad because Chads are born not made.
>frat bro
>party host at his frat house
>gym bro
>football player
>looks like that
>implying you can be a chad with a lisp
CBum is not a chad. hes beta af.
>looks dumpy
holy shit lol
chad are born, but then schooling does its hardest to brainwash it out of you. Those that retain it are true chads. Cbum is born one, but now, his 4 foot 5 gf talks shit about him on vlogs and he doesnt notice it. cause hes blue pilled bout females.
>football player
tom brady plays football, one of the best, still a beta.
He's literally the ultimate Chad. He has a new young model lusting after him after his divorce.
no hes not. and im glad so many people think like you.
Gay demoralizer thread. Dubs and you die in your sleep.
You too
his muscles were so fricking dense though.
yeah, majority of people are losers that wont admit it and just lash out, its hilarious. losers are born, but the worse thing is when these losers think they arent.
>highschool
>looks 30
I always noticed people identify chadly traits with being "looking mature" (without looking like shit, obviously).
Chadly traits are hypermasculine traits that exist on people who haven't been poisoned by the estrogenic water and food supply growing up. He just looks like an 18 year old from the 70s.
>Chadly traits are hypermasculine traits
he had the physicality, but not the mindset. most males dont. its brainwashed out of us. female teachers, female mothers, Hollywood movies, msm, proaganda. Hes also white, so for sure his family had equal decision making between mother and father. so yeah, thats why Tom Bradies and Cbum, who wouldve been true chads end up bluepilled men cus they dunt believe in the red pill or no one exposed them to it.
What I meant to say is high testosterone = more aging and masculine features, anyway
I fear for his marriage. Massive mistake in my opinion. Especially when these big fitness guys have thirsty women who literally DM them and become their girlfriend the way Cbum's wife and Alex Eubank's girl have. No way it can end well when a woman latches onto a successful guy.
we shud have mixed gym classes so young boys know the inferiority of females instead of those classes where girls score higher than boys in a written test. its well know girls score higher in written tests. you spend 4 years in univeristy for a degree, you play 1000 hours to be good at a sport, but how many hours did theese men put into to being able to handle females and fame?
Considering he ran a party scene in a frat maybe he knows a bit about female nature when he was running through all the drunk college vegana coming through the door.
thats the thing, partying with chicks and casual sex doesnt bring out what it takes to handle girls. im glad you brought that up. many dudes dont undestand this. its a player thing. idk how to put it in words. but my best way to explain it is, you would think a guy that is a celeb and lots of girls would know to handle females, buts not the case. its like a nerd becomming a billionaire and still not being the type girls dig.
he was just a dumb blue pilled frat boy partying and engaging in casual sex if he was lucky. thats why its called "getting lucky" which is what it is for most men. majority if males lack the skillz and determination to bed a chick outside of luck. thats why they end up "settling down."
separating the boys and the girls during gym class, but not in math or other subjects. male dominance is something frowned up. so yeah, its not a surprise when many males who are already beta males turn into reddit s 0 yy boys
Zyzz wasn’t white.
Arnold was true alpha, but it seems like in the last decade hes just spewing whatever nonsense the msm want him to
being in some establishment that pushed students to get vaxxed and constantly promotes a certain ideology, hes defintely a chad for not going.
>fraternity
>in Australia
Please don't tell me you thought he was American you moronic Zoomer
None of this is a good thing though.
>nerds trying to defy nature to rise above their station as false chads
>fitness influencers are cancer
>an entire generation inspired meaning my gym is crowded with clueless zoomers
Definitely the worst post on IST in awhile
>you should stay weak
>don’t be inspired by others
>more people wanting to improve themselves is bad
You might as well troon out now brah
This, he gave people hope. The incel morons who cling to this board like a disease wouldnt get it. Most people on here look better than teenage zyzz yet cry about how theyll never be chad and they cant make it. Its pathetic.
Post body
>Most people on here look better than teenage zyzz y
zyzz had the drive to not be a beta loser average male, most males never have this drive.
Thats exactly what im trying to say
oh yeah.
>Most people on here look better than teenage zyzz yet cry about how theyll never be chad and they cant make it. Its pathetic.
He died barely over 20 because of how bad he was at frauding. How the frick is that being a chad
didn't he died due to a congenital heart defect?
Steroids are hard on your heart so they would speed up the ticker on whatever defect he was born with
This is it. Not to mention, Zyzz was allegedly really into party drugs and raves, and his spike in fame made him super stressed all the time. Not a good combination
even among steroid abusers, it's very unusual to die in your early twenties. from what I've read the cause of death was heart failure due to a defect that runs in his family. maybe steroids, other drugs, excessive exercise, etc compounded that, but the idea some young anons itt have that this is a cautionary tale about roiding yourself to death is just silly.
you don't have a gf and this convo never happened boomer
You can but it'll take longer
You're totally right about zoomer expectations but I want to offer a defense of this girl just because I've got a point which might not have been considered. If a guy is famous on social media for his physique, an average person might assume he's got top 1% genetics for gaining muscle & getting lean, (cream of the crop, ain't no regular genetics Joe's getting famous for their physiques), & if that's the case, you might be able to look like pic related naturally.
Of course the reality is that this assumption of social media famous physique person having 1% muscle building & getting lean genetics is baseless & that in reality it's a combination of good face, frame, decent inserts & muscle which you really have no idea if it's attained naturally but it probably wasn't
You won’t look like zyzz naturally regardless of your genetics, lmao
Where did I say I would?
>human females are moronic
You've made a groundbreaking discovery anon.
Indeed.
What is happening is guys need to roid to be "normal" and the bar goes up and up and becomes so deadly. And then for women, they use masses of filters and makeup, and their bar goes up and up too.
It is totally fricked.
I honestly think Islamic societies are pretty based. Women are not thots, know their place, respect virginity, and dudes don't need to roid 24/7.
>dudes don't need to roid 24/7.
>Dubai enters the chat.
I agree about Islamic society though. Christians are too cucked to do anything about the israeli enemy, totally infiltrated.
Only someone whose brain has rotted from being perpetually online would post this. The majority of people are fat and out of shape, Id say probably 10% of people in first world countries lift weights, maybe even less.
The bar goes up for online influencers and models in a hypercompetitive market based entirely on aesthetics. It doesnt go up for normal people.
>zoomer gf
How'd you meet? I once in a while bang zoomer girls from tinder but they're always unstable novelty driven bawds looking to frick out their daddy issues, not really gf material.
Throw away your perceived shame. Western society says older dudes should be connected with young chicks. It keeps feminists in power, that you gotta be attracted to salty old b***hes.
And even online, just message zoomers. Even an ugly son of a b***h like me, has messaged 18 year olds on dating sites, and actually had replies, like "I like older guys" but most older guys simply dare not do that as they think it is "creepy" or wrong.
Eh well Dubai is a weird place of the super rich, and the place IG "models" go to get pooped on for 10k.
>Only someone whose brain has rotted from being perpetually online would post this
Dude I am 40 fricking something. And I hate social media. I didn't grow up online, nor spend much time on it, so you're wrong.
>The majority of people are fat and out of shape
They are. But I am talking 500lbs plus subhumans, who are surely 1% or less.
>It doesnt go up for normal people.
This board itself is an example of it that every normal looking dude is called skinny and small. Wake up.
Every chick online has filters and makeup. It's you who is not in reality.
>And even online, just message zoomers.
Bruh I just said I already do that, they always tend to be unstable and not gf material if they actually reply.
It's not because they are "zoomers" but because they are young. And while traditionally, there is no issue with older and younger, the world they grew up tells them that is wrong, so of course you'll only meet the ones a little messed up. if you're looking for some mature stable minded zoomer girl who wants to actually date long term an older guy, you're probably looking for rocking horse shit.
>>"wtf anon he doesn't even look big or roided"
shes clearly lying when she said that, to most girls, hes already big but not too big. but whatever, shes just insecure, like most dudes itt. calling small and not looking like he roided or no muscles lol
Any female who stood next to him would say he's too big and freaky because of the leanness. The striations and size are plenty. Pic related is what women want. There are videos to prove it. A lot of it is face, insertions, height, right amount of size, literally pretty much perfect.
He's also 2 inches taller than Zyzz and about 10 pounds lighter while being less lean I should add.
right but what i was trying to say was that girl was just saying it out of insecurity. like calling a muscular dude "small" or an aesthetic dude "noo hes not"
>Pic related is what women want.
sure cause pic related looks like more like a nice safe guy. zyzz gives off a more exciting look and girls would feel less secure around him. pic related looks like a boring nice safe guy
>boring
>safe
Yeah well he's white, tall, and handsome with a skin tight shirt.
This is primal. Genetics are everything. His physical form proves he can protect and provide.
he does have a bit of wieneriness, which is great, but i can sense the validation seeking behaviour that he still has a bit. like he still has that "please like me" vibe that i can pick up on
girls do that shit easy, i didnt make girls do that, but i guess i shudve, that idea never crossed my mind.
the thumbnail gives off "please like me" vibes.
hes providing for sure, not protecting, he lacks that carnal primal low IQ animal side. most white males lack that side, which is why some girls end up fricking blacks.
his game is good looks but not swag or cool. good looks can get good looking girls,but he aint dominating a sexy girl. hence why dudes like tom brady end up looking so beta cause hes got no swagger, coolness.
girls dont react the same way to looks the same way a male does when they see an attractive girl.
When they're horny they absolutely do.
so relying on the moment and luck. true. thats fine. hes making those vids for clout. i wanna see what hes like when hes 1 on 1 with a girl and how hes like in a relationships. that russianviliaty guy is like this pic related dude, but 1 on 1 with a chick in a room, he clearly lacked the dominance.
Well yes Connor has a small penis so he's truly cursed. Can't have it all.
lmfao. anyways. hes better than like 90 percent of men. the fact he approaches chicks is already top shit. most dues dotn gtot t
*most dudes dont got da ballz
>the fact he approaches chicks is already top shit.
This is a huge part of his game, that people do not understand. Many times I am at the club, handsome friends, good bods, but lack in confidence. Chicks smiled at them, meaning they should say hi.
They do not. 2 hours later some ugly fat short dude making out with the chick, just cause he made the move.
right, tom brady is a good example of this, as are most good looking and famous men. lack charisma and ballz
Yep. We apparently have young tall and athletic dudes here. But the reality is, I am certain I get more pussy than 99% of this board.
Yet I am over 40, short, bald, and have a horror show face.
Why? Because I also do not give a shit. I can approach a group of 10 women.
In the past, that was more normal, but today, everyone lives online, so young guys never ever approach.
OMGGGGGGGGGG SHUT UP!
You do not get big by accident. You work at it, lbs by lbs over years.
>You do not get big by accident. You work at it, lbs by lbs over years.
yeah you work to get big, and then you accidently get too big
Yes they do. If you're hot enough you'll make a girl's panties wet just looking at you and at that point you can literally do or say whatever you want to them.
sometimes, not all. im not talking about situations, im talking about generally. the hottest girl will get more attention than the hottest male
pic related looks easier to tie down than zyzz
this dude lost his hair and then lost his mind
The agepill my friends. Should've capitalized more in his early 20s.
My mom was surprised Rambo was roided up. Normies think people like Jay Cutler are blasting but anything less than that is just diet and working out. Which is why they so often think you can just "get big" accidentally.
>i wanna start working out
>i don't want to get too big though
Oh sweet summer child. I remember than mindset, I wish I was there again.
especially with chicks..
>i'm 5'2" 100lbs and want to get in shape but i don't want to get huge muscles
you can definitely get too big
Oh yeah OOPS I got too big.
No you can't. It requires years of work and dedication. When you get to a certain size you maintain. But for most people you can't go beyond that anyway without being a roid troony. Nobody goes from 150lbs of muscle to 220 and "too big" accidentally.
thats what i meant, when you work out a lot and put on mass, eventually you will look too big.
By purpose and intention, not by accident. Nobody who starts working out is going to accidentally going to get too big. So by saying I want to work out but not get too big is bullshit.
you get too big when you have too much muscle for your frame.
Dude I don't hold back my words, but are you third world? English your 3rd language?
None of that shit happens by accident.
Almost all natties never gain too much muscle for their frame, as that would be genetically impossible.
just like how you can get too fat, you can get too musclely where you look like a big blob of muscle
Yabba doo yabba dee look mom! I'm troll!
You see the map you just stepped onto, son? It's the map that results with me slapping the gawd dang shit outta you.
Know your role.
lol. you work to get big, but you dont work to get too big. heres are reward
Son, now stay in your lane.
Because I am not a roid troony.
>Blast grams of Tren and then claim natty and have others seethe at you.
And destroy your health, and watch your balls reverse to those of an 8 year old. Cool beans.
>Because I am not a roid troony.
dude, if what you say is true, based on your age and height, you should be very big by now even natty. you either dunno how fricking huge you look or ur moronic.
>the older you get the more you grow
You have never lifted in your life.
Special bus for you, son.
im in the prestige lane lol, special lane for me.
you clearly have some deep issues you have to get rid off. i thought approaching lots of chicks brings these issues to the surface so u can face them.
I had issues, I no longer do.
I am finally free.
That's why I am a threat to sheep in the matrix like you.
If I still lived in Seattle I would tell you to come to Queen Anne so I could kick your ass. Dog statue in front of Trader Joe’s.
you mentioned you are short, so how have not reached the stage where you have too much muscle
>None of that shit happens by accident.
yeah and the natty dude dint go like hmm maybe i have lots of muscle
and natty dudes end up with lots of muscle and a layer of fat, so they end up pretty big
Ey brehs
Blame leanbeefsteroids. The new breed of fake natty egirls have completely warped zoomer's body standards. They complain about women having high standards then immediately rush to defend their favourite fake natty coomer bait.
The truth is, it's far too easy to make bank on social media just taking steroids and lying about it because beta DYEL orbiters will always defend your natty claims. You just thirst trap/general egirl prostitute until you get sponsorship deals from shady supps companies, or just open an OF.
Reminder that Dana Lynn Bailey still claims natty and DYEL coomers believe her.
susana spears is a good example of peak female fitness.
anon I hate to break it to you, but she's been a fake natty for years. Did you think her breasts were real too?
nooooo. lol. but she was sexy. you seen her youtube fitness vids from like 2010. damn she was sexy
>Girls think that pic related is completely attainable natty now.
Good. Use that to your advantage. Blast grams of Tren and then claim natty and have others seethe at you.
You gain NOTHING by admitting using roids. Nobody respects your honesty. It's like admitting watching porn in middle school. You get made fun of for it yet every other dude does it too.
Do you change gfs when she gets too old?
I started dating my current gf in 2020 when she was 19, and I was 31.
My last gf was 26 and I felt she was becoming complacent.