Depends on how they took the survey.
If it was a public area and taken voluntarilly instead of forced, then it's skewed against introverts/neets/autists/etc.
Real number probably higher.
People lie in anonymous survey, some of those 98% probably just kissed a girl once and decided that was enough to count as a sex haver.
But regardless it's pretty rare to be virgin above 25 yo if you're not religious, true incels are rare although they're all over the internet for obvious reasons
either a NEET who literally never even gets close to women, or he's an extremely antisocial sperg who not only deliberately rejects social situations, but has also gotten to the point where people who know him don't even bother inviting him to events anymore anyways, because he'll 99.9% reject it
I worked out that if you're having regular sex with a 7+/10 college-age girl then you're in the top 10% of 18-22 males
i'd agree, having sex doesn't inherently make you a chad by any means
with low enough standards and dnough willpower, most men are capable of getting a sliver of pussy
the difference is that while chads effortless have a rotation of 20+ 9s/10s, dudes on pussy welfare need to shill out big bucks to take their 4/10 gf on dates every week so she doesn't abandon him and leave him absolutely sexless
it's why i can't rate a man based on his sexual activity alone without understanding the context of who he fricks and how easily he can keep them around
24, i only say this because it's the experience i saw/had at uni
if my perspective is absurdly flawed then it might be because dorm residents are apes
i literally witnessed all the LULZ betabuxx/alphafuxx shit happen IRL before i even knew people had such terms for it
i literally had dudes send me snaps every time they had a new b***h come over dude lol, it's fricking wild what the *actual* chads (not just a regular dude with a haircut and a jawline LOL) get up to when they have some money and their own place to live
Really weird post. On one hand, you acknowledge the the chad/beta looks gap, and on the other you gaslight being a virgin as some behavioral flaw. Exposure doesn't guarantee you'll get anything. Everyone's been to parties and events where thirsty dudes clearly make their shot just don't walk away with anything.
It's entirely plausible these guys go to dozens of said parties, bars, and clubs for months or years before the risk/reward calculator in their brains tells them its time to finally hang the coat up and just accept monk mode.
>32 year old wizard >one hug, one time, breasts pressed onto my chest felt nice
I had crippling anxiety as a child.
There were 3 maybe 4 girls who I could have fricked, but the anxiety scared me away, or I was way too stupid to see it till way later.
I leave high school, get a job where no women exist.
I have never had a crush on a girl, I dont notice hot women in public, I have never had a burning desire for a GF.
I like porn, and have liked porn since I got DSL in first grade.
It must have destroyed my brain or something.
Im sure you could find some random moronic zoomer term that exemplifies me.
Im lifting but not even for a GF, but for myself.
just pay for it. you are making bank especially since youre single. think about it, you can either die getting no pus or bang a nice escort with really not much risk of STD. what are you gonna do, sit around hoping a trad wife will knock on your door? getting pus isnt the end all be all but we are humans and sex makes us happy.
this was my mistake as well, i fricking hate it so much
i should have just gone into hospitality, some gig at a hotel or a spa or a club, whatever, maybe as a bartender, that's where all the young people are anyways and that's how i could have built my social circle, through peers my aged
instead i went the software engineer route, it's so fricking over >have a social life or have money but you can't have both
just end my fricking life honestly
this was my mistake as well, i fricking hate it so much
i should have just gone into hospitality, some gig at a hotel or a spa or a club, whatever, maybe as a bartender, that's where all the young people are anyways and that's how i could have built my social circle, through peers my aged
instead i went the software engineer route, it's so fricking over >have a social life or have money but you can't have both
just end my fricking life honestly
engineer is the most important job in the world though, you're making a huge impact on the world and are rich as well.
but it really does not matter at all if i'm chronically unhappy
you really should be happy though. a software engineer is more important for society than even a doctor is.
9 months ago
Anonymous
the problem is that i at least have the foresight to tell that this is a "grass greener" problem. if i had gone into hospitality i probably would have a larger social circle and i could interact with normies and perhaps even get laid, true, but at the same time >relationship issues, drama >having to deal with shitty people all day because that's what hospitality is >would have to move to the city where those jobs can be found, and for a young person that might as well be financial suicide, i probably could not get the lack of money out of my mind
i need to get past this mindblock, the truth is that there is no winning, i think i just have a defeatist shitty mindset of looking at things, i can only ever focus on what i don't have instead of what i do have
there are people who would kill to have the work experience, CV credentials and salary that i do and i'm completely unappreciative of it
9 months ago
Anonymous
>there are people who would kill to have the work experience, CV credentials and salary that i do and i'm completely unappreciative of it
see, literally all you care about is your career and salary, so you shouldnt be upset at all about a lack of social life because at least you got a great career and big salary. just keep being a software engineer and keep getting richer and richer, dont worry anon you'll be happy soon when your net worth is in multiple millions.
9 months ago
Anonymous
are you taking the piss mate
9 months ago
Anonymous
not at all anon. from your post yousay how you're happy you didnt go to the city because its financial suicide and how you couldnt get the lack of money out of your mind, and your conclusion is that with your work experience and salary most people would kill to have it. so its pretty obvious your only drive in life is to have career and high salary, so soon it will pay off for you, dont worry anon.
When you don't personally make the moves, it's quite easy to never get laid if you're even just an average looking guy. My sexual partner count is well above average, but my last breakup fricked me up to the point where putting energy into dating is something I simply don't care about
Hoeflation has gotten pretty fricking bad in the past 5 years I've been in a long term relationship, so I completely understand younger guys who have it rough in the dating markets
There’s no way this shit is accurate. Even if it was an anonymous survey I know I would lie on it and say I’ve had sex a couple times. There’s gotta be tons of other guys like me that would do that, this shit is so tied up with self worth I doubt there’s a real accurate way of measuring unless you could somehow unknowingly watch everyone’s lives to verify.
yeah absolutely, men lie about their sexual past even in anonymous situations, it's heavily tied towards ones self value, as it implies whether or not you're capable of attracting women, which is one of the most important biological traits for reproduction
and to skew the results even further, lots of dudes either settle with easy fat ugly girls, either for hookups, fwbs, or dating, just to rack up numbers/avoid virginity, or they pay for prostitutes
i'd argue that the amount of men who are capable of having sex with women they actually want to frick, would be around 20%
it's astounding to hear so many guys basically admit that they settled for some girl they barely even like just because they'd be 100% sexless otherwise
men will literally throw their standards in the dumpster just to avoid the shame and humiliation of getting no pussy, or even worse, being an adult virgin
i know a guy who made $40k off crypto, and the first thing he did was pay for a premium prostitute to lose his virginity, he was 21 at the time
it's an absolutely insane social dynamic
What I don't understand is how? How do these guys do it? Standards aren't some conscious choice. Like I've never been much for random hookups because how often am I going to get some girl I actually find attractive? What am I going to do, take some fat or otherwise ugly b***h home and not be able to get it up? How do they manage to compel themselves to have sex with such creatures?
>How do they manage to compel themselves to have sex with such creatures?
the shame of being seen as sexless/being a virgin is so great that it compels these dudes to throw their standards completely out of the window before they become "weird" by normie standards
an acquaintance of mine literally had his friends buy him a chubby ugly prostitute before his 18th birthday just so he would avoid the title of ever having been an "adult virgin", i'm 90% sure the dude was secretly gay anyways based on other things he did, which would have explained why he never had sex despite going to parties and meeting new girls all the time
i don't know if it was worth it, he said he could barely get hard, and the post nut clarity made him want to kill himself lmao
normies are fricking weird, dude
kek I am 5'9 and in debt and I have a wife who I love and who is objectively attractive. 20% is fricking moron. You just have 0 clue what youre doing. If you're any older than 16 KYS, because it is never going to get better.
i commend you for your situation, our lived experiences are different
everything i said is the recitation of everything i saw working part time jobs and living on uni dorms in the PNW
you'd be surprised at how many regular dudes have fricked up standards, the reason you see so many dudes complaining about women being cheating prostitutes is because most normie guys only actively lust after the hottest girls *until* the rejection surmounts their ego and they crash down below their actual reality, which is when they start fricking fat girls just to rack up some experience and compensate for the fact that the hot b***h keeps ignoring their texts
perhaps my social circle was just moronic? it is very possible
9 months ago
Anonymous
sorry for telling you to KYS but get your shit together dude and stop complaining like a woman. prob why you strike out
9 months ago
Anonymous
i don't strike out at all bro lol, i had one proper gf and a few fwbs during the 3 years i lived on dorms, i'm not complaining or upset about anything, i'm literally just recalling the stuff i saw while i was there
>1.9%
This can't be real can it?
t.32
i doubt it, i'd believe it's higher, there's just so much shame that male adult virgins feel about it that they even lie on anonymous surveys lol
if a dude is willing to pay for pussy from a girl he isn't even attracted to just to avoid being a virgin over the age of 18, i wouldn't doubt the fact that quite a few dudes would lie about virginity
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pay for pussy from a girl he isn't even attracted to just to
if you're fricked in the head as far as being attracted to women you might as well pay for it just to see what happens.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah i guess that makes sense lol, drop some cahh and see how it goes
some dudes need to get a couple tastes before they start to really crave it, it happens
i fricked
im not a better person for it, im not any cooler, i didn't make any money from it, etc
I just got my dick wet (well it was covered)
it's not a big deal at the end of the day
Women are so low quality these days that, speaking as a non-virgin widower myself, I actually lose respect for a man if I learn he's regularly having sex.
I'm a 28 year old kissless hugless handholdless dateless virgin.
I used to think it was over for me and that I'm an incel but then I found out the real incels all have a bunch of shit wrong with them physically (and mentally obviously) they can't fix no matter what, but I actually have nothing inherently wrong with me instead of being fat. I'm 6'1, white, broad shoulders, deep voice, decent face. My weight has been the limiting factor for all of these things hence I'm losing it.
If you never actually tried, you're a volcel. If you exerted effort with enough attempts and time to form data (at least 100 approaches) and failed everything, then you can call yourself an incel
Ah, I see. I was super blackpilled the last few months but then I realized fat men are essentially worthless on the dating market, even fat women don't want them. I'm down 180 lbs and it's like I'm starting to be treated like a human being again.
The term "incel" is a bit weird anyways. There truly is a fetish for everything in this day and age. I'm sure there's even some total psycho who knows the meme and fantasized about hunting incels and stealing virginities and stuff. It's really just all about casting a wide net and playing the game of numbers. Sure, a pro fisherman with $80k of boat/tackle/radar can go on a lake and get a fish 95% of the time, but if a moron with rope attached to a pebble casted it thousands of times, he'd eventually luck out and get some massive catch. Like if you became I high profile serial killer, we know as a fact you'll get X amount of lust/love letters in prison from moronic hybristophilia girls. So honestly, just spam starting conversations with women at school or whenever you go to grocery stores, and you'll eventually strike something
My buddies and I came up with this motivational stat in the past: let's say you're so unattractive that you have a 5% chance to get an 8/10's number when you approach and 98% rejection rate. Then of those numbers, only 20% result in putting your benis inside her sugar walls. If you approach 200 8/10 women, that's 10 numbers, and 2 very attractive women that let you use her holes. (BTW my buddies and I have a way higher than 2% of getting numbers, we were low balling to pump ourselves up). Humans are more complex to apply static numbers like that, but you get the point. You personally have an X success rate with number farming and within that an X rate of them agreeing to let you blow her back out. You can then optimize this with gymmaxxing/grooming/charisma/etc...
Thanks for the good advice, fren. When I lose this blubber I'm finally going to actually "try" to get with a woman. A part of me wants to get so fit that they come to me, like it used to happen a decade ago when I lost my weight but never reciprocated flirting.
Happy hunting, king. And don't wait until you have perfect confidence before shooting your shot. Instead, focus on not caring about rejection rather than perfecting every little detail about yourself (while still improoving).
It's the Boombauer method. Just pester every woman you come into contact with for sex and brush off any rejection as "ain't no thang".
Yep. And you can also just bump that number up by being slightly less direct and at least pretending you want to read up on fossil records at her apartment or some shit.
the problem with that is if you never actually try you probably do not have any reason to maintain yourself and your life in such a way that you could get laid if you wanted to.
by your logic i am more or less a volcel but i am also a fricked up loser.
>by your logic i am more or less a volcel but i am also a fricked up loser.
That's just called learned helplessness fren. Look up the book "Learned Optimism", it's unironically based as frick and you'll have tons of "Oh shit, I actually do that to myself" moments. Real life is (most often) far better than the doom scenarios we construct in our minds.
i'm not saying i can't get laid, in theory. what i mean is like...
i have crooked teeth, no car, bad skin, no friends etc.
normies put a lot of work into being normies. i haven't put in that work.
if i go on tinder right now i am unlikely to get laid any time soon.
so i do not think it would be right to call me a "volcel" because if i make the choice to get laid instead it would be a lot of work. it wouldn't just be a normal amount of work.
>normies put a lot of work into being normies. i haven't put in that work.
this is where you're wrong. normies dont put in "a lot of work" to be normal. they just exist and it happens for them. thats not to say that they just sit in their room and everything comes to them. but basically they just exist in school/work and people gravitate towards them, they get friends, they get invited to parties, they have sex and gfs, they get into decent schools, they have decent careers, etc.
its much less work for a normie to become normal than for a loser like us to even reach the bare minimum.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i can see your point but i don't think i can just write off what they do.
eg. the years i was neet and they were going to work being wageys.
can you say i being a neet was working as hard as a wagey doing his job to be an attractive person?
9 months ago
Anonymous
of course im not saying that if youre a neet you're doing as much work as people living actual functional lives. but what i mean is that normies really dont put in that much actual work to become normal.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i think that is a reasonable point and i don't think i ever considered it really.
don't have to save up to fix crooked teeth if you never had them or your parents did their job.
>the problem with that is if you never actually try you probably do not have any reason to maintain yourself and your life in such a way that you could get laid if you wanted to.
im 31 khv never been on a date, have never even attempted to try anything sexual or romantic with anyone because ive basically been a friendless loser for my entire life, or at least since high school when we started caring about relationships. so yeah living life like a a shut in friendless loser i saw no reason to even bother trying to get a girl. continued into college, continued through my 20s.
>tfw 1.9er South American >literally called the "country of sex" >14 year olds have had more sex than me
Honestly I don't even know at this point, it's my fault for being a NEET for so long but I've had the chance of losing my virginity this year, she was a bit chubby and showed interest but I have an ego to the point where I don't wanna lose my virginity to a girl who's not atleast skinny.
I'm in the 1.9% at almost 32 and it will literally never change for me. I will literally never have sex. I am too self-conscious about my lack of experience and also about how incomprehensibly pathetic my life is to even entertain the idea of going on a date with someone, let alone trying to have sex. Even the thought of going on a dating app and speaking to a girl on there makes me nervous just thinking about it.
My only hope is that I will soon get the courage to commit suicide, where I will surely be dying a kissless virgin.
>Even the thought of going on a dating app and speaking to a girl on there makes me nervous
why?
i mean... what are you afraid would happen if you did? is there some scenario you have in mind that is so awful you don't want to risk it playing out, or?
If I went on a date I would have to expose how worthless humiliating and pathetic my life is. I already lie and hide details about my life any time having to reveal anything about myself comes up in conversation. The thought of going on a date and just sitting there one on one with someone for hours would be a horrifying experience for me and the poor fool who had the misfortune of going on the date with me, even though it's extremely doubtful anyone would even voluntarily do so.
Stop trusting random graphs you stupid Black person.
The only way you can tell me 2% of 25+ year Olds are virgins is if youve asked them all. You cant interview 100% people and extrapolate the answers for millions.
Unironically, yes. Somebody posted an infographic on here citing studies which showed that upper body strength and girth was the best predictor of male reproductive success. Having more upper body strength was even more beneficial than facial attractiveness and height. Women really want a gorilla.
It's over.
Probably not, but it can't hurt. Also being a virgin is a choice, surely you have enough money for a decent escort.
t. 1.9%er
That number seems way too low. If you picked 100 men over 25 at random, only two would be virgins?
Being autistic and having way too high standards is a b***h
Most guys eventually just accept their fate and frick a fat chick
Depends on how they took the survey.
If it was a public area and taken voluntarilly instead of forced, then it's skewed against introverts/neets/autists/etc.
Real number probably higher.
People lie in anonymous survey, some of those 98% probably just kissed a girl once and decided that was enough to count as a sex haver.
But regardless it's pretty rare to be virgin above 25 yo if you're not religious, true incels are rare although they're all over the internet for obvious reasons
Tfw i was part of the 5% but not anymore
>33
>furthest I've gotten is a no body hug
Should I just finally give up ever having sex tonight?
How does this even happen?
either a NEET who literally never even gets close to women, or he's an extremely antisocial sperg who not only deliberately rejects social situations, but has also gotten to the point where people who know him don't even bother inviting him to events anymore anyways, because he'll 99.9% reject it
i'd agree, having sex doesn't inherently make you a chad by any means
with low enough standards and dnough willpower, most men are capable of getting a sliver of pussy
the difference is that while chads effortless have a rotation of 20+ 9s/10s, dudes on pussy welfare need to shill out big bucks to take their 4/10 gf on dates every week so she doesn't abandon him and leave him absolutely sexless
it's why i can't rate a man based on his sexual activity alone without understanding the context of who he fricks and how easily he can keep them around
How old are you?
24, i only say this because it's the experience i saw/had at uni
if my perspective is absurdly flawed then it might be because dorm residents are apes
i literally witnessed all the LULZ betabuxx/alphafuxx shit happen IRL before i even knew people had such terms for it
>rotation of 20+ 9/10's
topkek
i literally had dudes send me snaps every time they had a new b***h come over dude lol, it's fricking wild what the *actual* chads (not just a regular dude with a haircut and a jawline LOL) get up to when they have some money and their own place to live
Really weird post. On one hand, you acknowledge the the chad/beta looks gap, and on the other you gaslight being a virgin as some behavioral flaw. Exposure doesn't guarantee you'll get anything. Everyone's been to parties and events where thirsty dudes clearly make their shot just don't walk away with anything.
It's entirely plausible these guys go to dozens of said parties, bars, and clubs for months or years before the risk/reward calculator in their brains tells them its time to finally hang the coat up and just accept monk mode.
>32 year old wizard
>one hug, one time, breasts pressed onto my chest felt nice
I had crippling anxiety as a child.
There were 3 maybe 4 girls who I could have fricked, but the anxiety scared me away, or I was way too stupid to see it till way later.
I leave high school, get a job where no women exist.
I have never had a crush on a girl, I dont notice hot women in public, I have never had a burning desire for a GF.
I like porn, and have liked porn since I got DSL in first grade.
It must have destroyed my brain or something.
Im sure you could find some random moronic zoomer term that exemplifies me.
Im lifting but not even for a GF, but for myself.
>How does this even happen?
It's pretty easy not to frick. Just don't try and frick and be too isolated and/or unattractive that it doesn't land in your lap.
Become an engineer
I haven't even spoken to a woman for like 5 years
just pay for it. you are making bank especially since youre single. think about it, you can either die getting no pus or bang a nice escort with really not much risk of STD. what are you gonna do, sit around hoping a trad wife will knock on your door? getting pus isnt the end all be all but we are humans and sex makes us happy.
actually i tkae that back, getting puss is the end all be all because our whole function is to proliferate our DNA.
this was my mistake as well, i fricking hate it so much
i should have just gone into hospitality, some gig at a hotel or a spa or a club, whatever, maybe as a bartender, that's where all the young people are anyways and that's how i could have built my social circle, through peers my aged
instead i went the software engineer route, it's so fricking over
>have a social life or have money but you can't have both
just end my fricking life honestly
engineer is the most important job in the world though, you're making a huge impact on the world and are rich as well.
if thats the case then society owes me a fricking wife for the important work i do.
thats true it should owe you a wife
you really should be happy though. a software engineer is more important for society than even a doctor is.
the problem is that i at least have the foresight to tell that this is a "grass greener" problem. if i had gone into hospitality i probably would have a larger social circle and i could interact with normies and perhaps even get laid, true, but at the same time
>relationship issues, drama
>having to deal with shitty people all day because that's what hospitality is
>would have to move to the city where those jobs can be found, and for a young person that might as well be financial suicide, i probably could not get the lack of money out of my mind
i need to get past this mindblock, the truth is that there is no winning, i think i just have a defeatist shitty mindset of looking at things, i can only ever focus on what i don't have instead of what i do have
there are people who would kill to have the work experience, CV credentials and salary that i do and i'm completely unappreciative of it
>there are people who would kill to have the work experience, CV credentials and salary that i do and i'm completely unappreciative of it
see, literally all you care about is your career and salary, so you shouldnt be upset at all about a lack of social life because at least you got a great career and big salary. just keep being a software engineer and keep getting richer and richer, dont worry anon you'll be happy soon when your net worth is in multiple millions.
are you taking the piss mate
not at all anon. from your post yousay how you're happy you didnt go to the city because its financial suicide and how you couldnt get the lack of money out of your mind, and your conclusion is that with your work experience and salary most people would kill to have it. so its pretty obvious your only drive in life is to have career and high salary, so soon it will pay off for you, dont worry anon.
but it really does not matter at all if i'm chronically unhappy
I'm not that unhappy, I was just pointing out you can lead a pretty normal life by internet standards and still not meet women
>normal life by internet standards
what is that
yo ho ho he took a bite of gum gum
When you don't personally make the moves, it's quite easy to never get laid if you're even just an average looking guy. My sexual partner count is well above average, but my last breakup fricked me up to the point where putting energy into dating is something I simply don't care about
Hoeflation has gotten pretty fricking bad in the past 5 years I've been in a long term relationship, so I completely understand younger guys who have it rough in the dating markets
>Be shorter than 6'4
>Just live a normal life
There’s no way this shit is accurate. Even if it was an anonymous survey I know I would lie on it and say I’ve had sex a couple times. There’s gotta be tons of other guys like me that would do that, this shit is so tied up with self worth I doubt there’s a real accurate way of measuring unless you could somehow unknowingly watch everyone’s lives to verify.
yeah absolutely, men lie about their sexual past even in anonymous situations, it's heavily tied towards ones self value, as it implies whether or not you're capable of attracting women, which is one of the most important biological traits for reproduction
and to skew the results even further, lots of dudes either settle with easy fat ugly girls, either for hookups, fwbs, or dating, just to rack up numbers/avoid virginity, or they pay for prostitutes
i'd argue that the amount of men who are capable of having sex with women they actually want to frick, would be around 20%
it's astounding to hear so many guys basically admit that they settled for some girl they barely even like just because they'd be 100% sexless otherwise
men will literally throw their standards in the dumpster just to avoid the shame and humiliation of getting no pussy, or even worse, being an adult virgin
i know a guy who made $40k off crypto, and the first thing he did was pay for a premium prostitute to lose his virginity, he was 21 at the time
it's an absolutely insane social dynamic
I worked out that if you're having regular sex with a 7+/10 college-age girl then you're in the top 10% of 18-22 males
What I don't understand is how? How do these guys do it? Standards aren't some conscious choice. Like I've never been much for random hookups because how often am I going to get some girl I actually find attractive? What am I going to do, take some fat or otherwise ugly b***h home and not be able to get it up? How do they manage to compel themselves to have sex with such creatures?
>How do they manage to compel themselves to have sex with such creatures?
the shame of being seen as sexless/being a virgin is so great that it compels these dudes to throw their standards completely out of the window before they become "weird" by normie standards
an acquaintance of mine literally had his friends buy him a chubby ugly prostitute before his 18th birthday just so he would avoid the title of ever having been an "adult virgin", i'm 90% sure the dude was secretly gay anyways based on other things he did, which would have explained why he never had sex despite going to parties and meeting new girls all the time
i don't know if it was worth it, he said he could barely get hard, and the post nut clarity made him want to kill himself lmao
normies are fricking weird, dude
Most fertile healthy women are attractive, you're the weird one
holy frick youre moronic.
kek I am 5'9 and in debt and I have a wife who I love and who is objectively attractive. 20% is fricking moron. You just have 0 clue what youre doing. If you're any older than 16 KYS, because it is never going to get better.
i commend you for your situation, our lived experiences are different
everything i said is the recitation of everything i saw working part time jobs and living on uni dorms in the PNW
you'd be surprised at how many regular dudes have fricked up standards, the reason you see so many dudes complaining about women being cheating prostitutes is because most normie guys only actively lust after the hottest girls *until* the rejection surmounts their ego and they crash down below their actual reality, which is when they start fricking fat girls just to rack up some experience and compensate for the fact that the hot b***h keeps ignoring their texts
perhaps my social circle was just moronic? it is very possible
sorry for telling you to KYS but get your shit together dude and stop complaining like a woman. prob why you strike out
i don't strike out at all bro lol, i had one proper gf and a few fwbs during the 3 years i lived on dorms, i'm not complaining or upset about anything, i'm literally just recalling the stuff i saw while i was there
i doubt it, i'd believe it's higher, there's just so much shame that male adult virgins feel about it that they even lie on anonymous surveys lol
if a dude is willing to pay for pussy from a girl he isn't even attracted to just to avoid being a virgin over the age of 18, i wouldn't doubt the fact that quite a few dudes would lie about virginity
>pay for pussy from a girl he isn't even attracted to just to
if you're fricked in the head as far as being attracted to women you might as well pay for it just to see what happens.
yeah i guess that makes sense lol, drop some cahh and see how it goes
some dudes need to get a couple tastes before they start to really crave it, it happens
i fricked
im not a better person for it, im not any cooler, i didn't make any money from it, etc
I just got my dick wet (well it was covered)
it's not a big deal at the end of the day
>2018
I wonder how much it's changed in those five years.
Women are so low quality these days that, speaking as a non-virgin widower myself, I actually lose respect for a man if I learn he's regularly having sex.
Proud to be the 1%
if you're wizard/elf coded, don't try and fit in with orcish sex habits.
I'm turning 25 in a month still a virgin but i'll have sex in 2024 for sure
>1.9%
This can't be real can it?
t.32
time to an hero
>tfw 31 khv
i will never have sex
I'm a 28 year old kissless hugless handholdless dateless virgin.
I used to think it was over for me and that I'm an incel but then I found out the real incels all have a bunch of shit wrong with them physically (and mentally obviously) they can't fix no matter what, but I actually have nothing inherently wrong with me instead of being fat. I'm 6'1, white, broad shoulders, deep voice, decent face. My weight has been the limiting factor for all of these things hence I'm losing it.
It's just begun.
If you never actually tried, you're a volcel. If you exerted effort with enough attempts and time to form data (at least 100 approaches) and failed everything, then you can call yourself an incel
Ah, I see. I was super blackpilled the last few months but then I realized fat men are essentially worthless on the dating market, even fat women don't want them. I'm down 180 lbs and it's like I'm starting to be treated like a human being again.
The term "incel" is a bit weird anyways. There truly is a fetish for everything in this day and age. I'm sure there's even some total psycho who knows the meme and fantasized about hunting incels and stealing virginities and stuff. It's really just all about casting a wide net and playing the game of numbers. Sure, a pro fisherman with $80k of boat/tackle/radar can go on a lake and get a fish 95% of the time, but if a moron with rope attached to a pebble casted it thousands of times, he'd eventually luck out and get some massive catch. Like if you became I high profile serial killer, we know as a fact you'll get X amount of lust/love letters in prison from moronic hybristophilia girls. So honestly, just spam starting conversations with women at school or whenever you go to grocery stores, and you'll eventually strike something
My buddies and I came up with this motivational stat in the past: let's say you're so unattractive that you have a 5% chance to get an 8/10's number when you approach and 98% rejection rate. Then of those numbers, only 20% result in putting your benis inside her sugar walls. If you approach 200 8/10 women, that's 10 numbers, and 2 very attractive women that let you use her holes. (BTW my buddies and I have a way higher than 2% of getting numbers, we were low balling to pump ourselves up). Humans are more complex to apply static numbers like that, but you get the point. You personally have an X success rate with number farming and within that an X rate of them agreeing to let you blow her back out. You can then optimize this with gymmaxxing/grooming/charisma/etc...
The law of averages are your fren.
It's the Boombauer method. Just pester every woman you come into contact with for sex and brush off any rejection as "ain't no thang".
Thanks for the good advice, fren. When I lose this blubber I'm finally going to actually "try" to get with a woman. A part of me wants to get so fit that they come to me, like it used to happen a decade ago when I lost my weight but never reciprocated flirting.
Happy hunting, king. And don't wait until you have perfect confidence before shooting your shot. Instead, focus on not caring about rejection rather than perfecting every little detail about yourself (while still improoving).
Yep. And you can also just bump that number up by being slightly less direct and at least pretending you want to read up on fossil records at her apartment or some shit.
>If you never actually tried, you're a volcel.
the problem with that is if you never actually try you probably do not have any reason to maintain yourself and your life in such a way that you could get laid if you wanted to.
by your logic i am more or less a volcel but i am also a fricked up loser.
>by your logic i am more or less a volcel but i am also a fricked up loser.
That's just called learned helplessness fren. Look up the book "Learned Optimism", it's unironically based as frick and you'll have tons of "Oh shit, I actually do that to myself" moments. Real life is (most often) far better than the doom scenarios we construct in our minds.
i'm not saying i can't get laid, in theory. what i mean is like...
i have crooked teeth, no car, bad skin, no friends etc.
normies put a lot of work into being normies. i haven't put in that work.
if i go on tinder right now i am unlikely to get laid any time soon.
so i do not think it would be right to call me a "volcel" because if i make the choice to get laid instead it would be a lot of work. it wouldn't just be a normal amount of work.
>normies put a lot of work into being normies. i haven't put in that work.
this is where you're wrong. normies dont put in "a lot of work" to be normal. they just exist and it happens for them. thats not to say that they just sit in their room and everything comes to them. but basically they just exist in school/work and people gravitate towards them, they get friends, they get invited to parties, they have sex and gfs, they get into decent schools, they have decent careers, etc.
its much less work for a normie to become normal than for a loser like us to even reach the bare minimum.
i can see your point but i don't think i can just write off what they do.
eg. the years i was neet and they were going to work being wageys.
can you say i being a neet was working as hard as a wagey doing his job to be an attractive person?
of course im not saying that if youre a neet you're doing as much work as people living actual functional lives. but what i mean is that normies really dont put in that much actual work to become normal.
i think that is a reasonable point and i don't think i ever considered it really.
don't have to save up to fix crooked teeth if you never had them or your parents did their job.
>the problem with that is if you never actually try you probably do not have any reason to maintain yourself and your life in such a way that you could get laid if you wanted to.
im 31 khv never been on a date, have never even attempted to try anything sexual or romantic with anyone because ive basically been a friendless loser for my entire life, or at least since high school when we started caring about relationships. so yeah living life like a a shut in friendless loser i saw no reason to even bother trying to get a girl. continued into college, continued through my 20s.
I'm a similar age, and even with a decent group of friends and not being a shut in I simply don't meet women.
>tfw 1.9er South American
>literally called the "country of sex"
>14 year olds have had more sex than me
Honestly I don't even know at this point, it's my fault for being a NEET for so long but I've had the chance of losing my virginity this year, she was a bit chubby and showed interest but I have an ego to the point where I don't wanna lose my virginity to a girl who's not atleast skinny.
>7.85%
LETS GO
I'm in the 1.9% at almost 32 and it will literally never change for me. I will literally never have sex. I am too self-conscious about my lack of experience and also about how incomprehensibly pathetic my life is to even entertain the idea of going on a date with someone, let alone trying to have sex. Even the thought of going on a dating app and speaking to a girl on there makes me nervous just thinking about it.
My only hope is that I will soon get the courage to commit suicide, where I will surely be dying a kissless virgin.
>Even the thought of going on a dating app and speaking to a girl on there makes me nervous
why?
i mean... what are you afraid would happen if you did? is there some scenario you have in mind that is so awful you don't want to risk it playing out, or?
If I went on a date I would have to expose how worthless humiliating and pathetic my life is. I already lie and hide details about my life any time having to reveal anything about myself comes up in conversation. The thought of going on a date and just sitting there one on one with someone for hours would be a horrifying experience for me and the poor fool who had the misfortune of going on the date with me, even though it's extremely doubtful anyone would even voluntarily do so.
ah okay. i'm just thinking of the talking online part.
that part is tedious as frick but non-threatening.
FFS just get a prostitute.
Stop trusting random graphs you stupid Black person.
The only way you can tell me 2% of 25+ year Olds are virgins is if youve asked them all. You cant interview 100% people and extrapolate the answers for millions.
What's the % past 30? Feels weird being in such a microscopic category.
I genuinely don't believe these figures though, since being a virgin past 25 is basically social suicide so you might as well just lie at that point.
Unironically, yes. Somebody posted an infographic on here citing studies which showed that upper body strength and girth was the best predictor of male reproductive success. Having more upper body strength was even more beneficial than facial attractiveness and height. Women really want a gorilla.