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>The Aesthetic 4
For me, it’s OHP, weighted dips, weighted pull ups and trap bar deadlifts
replace squats with deadlifts
What the fuck
Deadlifts don't do shit for aesthetics you fucking tards
You are the retard here. Deads have done so much for my hamstrings and back you wouldnt believe. If you wanna go ottermode compound excersises arent optimal no, but if you actually want some size, they are nescessary.
Nice "aesthetics" bro
Large hamstrings are required for an aesthetic body.
>RDLs don’t do shit
posture contributes towards aesthetics massively which dl rdl are superb for
You’re going to get better leg development with skwats
>no rear delts
i mean the rest were fine, but god damn man no one thinks you having an ass and legs like a 300lb african woman is attractive.
Nah, once i hit 2pl8 squat 15 years ago it was enough. no reason to keep lifting just to have to buy larger pants because you purposefully want to make your ass larger.
Pull-ups do the rear delts
Not to a great degree. I’m not that anon, but any real shoulder aesthetic workout needs all three heads to be directly hit; and it’s very healthy for shoulder stability in general. I dislocated my right shoulder two weeks ago but having developed rear delts probably saved me from more extensive damage.
Squats hit ass enough unless you’re a total fag
Women love ass just as much as men
Hip thrusts hit glutes better as well as the groin adductors. Having strong glutes/groin helps prevent leg muscle imbalances.
No. Change it to the aesthetic 6 and swap incline bench for flat bench. And don't be one of those retards who thinks building the lower pecs "ruins the aesthetics of the chest". It doesn't. It's what MAKES the chest aesthetic. So, to fix your list:
>Pull ups/chin ups
>Hanging leg raises
My list is better than anyone else's and whatever anyone else comes up with is shit compared to mine. I win.
Wrong. Women like a nice ass on a man. A real straight man works his ass, anon, and he works it specifically for women. Nothing could be straighter.
Just admit you're a fag and are working out your ass to signal to other fags.
>women like a nice ass on a man
yeah a nice, small ass defined ass.
Which you can get from body weight squats. I'm 14% body fat and wear size 34 relaxed fit pants to accommodate my ass and i only do 2pl8 squat. You don't need any more than that.
"Conveniently, nobody needs to be any bigger than I currently am."
Rope yourself copeboy.
some people aren't lifting for the sole reason of getting the highest % chance to get some pussy
Man, you're really hung about this whole ass thing, huh? Sounds like you're making an excuse because you CAN'T grow a nice, juicy ass. Oh well, cope harder.
completely false (both your claims). stop watching so much yt fitness.
Retard, all it's doing is working your lower back. You know, the place that has the LEAST to see. Again, this thread is about aesthetics. Deadlifts aren't doing anything for aesthetics. Doing pull ups/chin ups is the better alternative. You don't know anything. Besides, you're only mad because I excluded a lift that you like. Get over it, pussy. Make your own fucking list.
Alright buddy, good luck with your fluff and pump pussy raises. Muh all three heads. Have fun looking the same in five years (see: a twink) because you opted for the significantly easier, lighter movements. I'm sure lifting hundreds of pounds is adding absolutely no lean mass to your body except to your lower back, but raising a 20 lb dumbbell to shoulder level is superior for muh aesthetics. fkn lol.
pretty big cope there guy, considering everyone does deadlifts exactly for the reason that it's easy and it's big numbers literally day one of lifting.
Do you have problems with reading comprehension? When I say easier, I mean that a "heavy" deadlift takes significantly more effort to perform than a proportionally "heavy" chin up. You took my comment out of context and started talking about some hypothetical novice ego lifter.
Oh, but it's somehow perfectly fine for you to compare deadlifts with lateral raises as your argument for deadlifts being better for aesthetics, instead of comparing deadlifts with pull ups, like you should have? Nice hypocrisy, gay.
Calls the other guy mad whenever you lose an argument. Bahaha.
Dude, you're literally whining because I said deadlifts aren't good for aesthetics, and you just won't let it go. You're in no position to mock anyone and are in every position to be mocked. Yeah, dude, keep working those muscles that no people are ever gonna see.
For aesthetics specifically, they don't. They're only working your hamstrings, glutes, and lower back, and no one is going to be looking at those parts of your body.
>no one is going to be looking at those parts of your body
actually delusional. post legs
Nobody is whining or mad. Just because someone corrects your false statements does not mean they are whining. It is pretty evident reading through your posts that you are in fact the one whining.
As far as the comparison with the lateral raises, what I said applies equally to pull ups. The fact that you think a deadlift only works your lower back is retarded. I see you now have added hamstrings and glutes, when you said before "all its doing is working your lower back" - that is some cute backpedalling. Even that is false... If you DL anything over 3 plates (which you clearly do not) you would know it trains your entire posterior chain - + lats, upper back and traps. If your definition of an aesthetic back (since your so obsessed with aesthetics) is wide lats and nothing else then have fun with your pull ups. You will look like a piece of paper irl - a jeremy ethier looking dyel. Your line of argument that by training pull up you are training muscles that 'people will see' and that by training the deadlift you are 'training muscles no people are ever going to see' is retarded. You are retarded.
I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore - its obvious your only going to bitch about the fact that i'm 'whining' or 'indignant'. I just hope you have the common sense to realize how stupid you sound.
Jesus Christ, kid, stop being so fucking indignant just because I said something negative about your shitty favourite exercise. It's not the end of the world sweetheart. Stop freaking out over nothing. Cry harder, pussy.
>a nice juicy ass
if you're actually lifting it wouldn't be juicy, it would be as hard as a rock.
god damn newfag.
Not what the word juicy means. It can be hard and juicy at the same time. Also, not a newfag. I guarantee I've been here longer than you. Been coming to IST since 2007, buddy. Also, why are you so hung up about what I said? Why does it bother you so much? Why is this the hill you're choosing to die on? It's just not worth it.
you're just regurgitating what you heard from Rippetoe
Cope, legslet and asslet
moron gay, imagine not training 60% of your bodies total muscle because you think its womanly
imagine training your body specifically so a man can top you, ya fucking gay.
weak glutes like yours will easily be parted by a rapist, Im borderline unrapeable with my 4pl8 squat you doublegay
I really need to be incorporating my pull-ups into my workouts. Especially since I suck at them.
all minimalist exercise selection is antithetical to aesthetics
you've got a knee flexion in there, but no hip hinge, why? just to make it le 4
>squats aren’t a hip hinge movement
What do you mean no hip hinge? Use real kinesiological terms and explain to me how the squat doesn't use the hip in the exact same way.
a back barbell squat has a hip hinging component, but it is more of a knee flection
a rdl is a pure hip hinge while a front squat would be the closest to pure knee flexion
Fair enough, but that's still plenty of hip hinge
You just need glutes, shoulders, lats, bis, and pecs. That’s why it’s the aesthetic 4, not the powerlifting 4.
Mine would be:
-Neck bridge pullover
-Press behind the neck
-Bulgarian split squats (specifically drop sets)
I love my ohp cause vertical autism but no lift is necessary, esp not ohp
It's about aesthetics. Deadlifting isn't gonna do much for aesthetics, and you don't need to OHP when lateral raises are better for building shoulders and can hit all three heads.
You do need OHP, actually. You’ll get better development with OHP and lateral raises than with just lateral raises.
aren't upright rows much better?
Upright rows are more likely to fuck up your shoulders.
Lots of people are beginning to disagree (Mike Israetel, Bald Omniman, Geoff, Delavier, etc.)
Upright rows pressured my anterior front delts way more than ohp, benching, or dips ever did. I don’t see any to stress it out even more.
You could probably do either one. OHP or upright rows.
Unironically should be replaced by calf raises. That is if you actually care about aesthetics, not approval of powershitters.
yeah having no quads and developed calves is the most aesthetic look, barbell lifts are just for powershitting ah yes you're not retarded at all
I can't do pull up without feeling like I exclusively hit my biceps
how are you doing pullups (not chinups with a reverse grip) and hitting your biceps?
Are you just doing some weird T-Rex pullup where you keep your arms tucked against your body and lift yourself purely with a arm curling motion?
because that sounds hilarious and you should absolutely take video and post it here
Unironically use straps so your back will do all the work
Lat pulldown at sets of 12 and assisted pullups at sets of 10, relatively slow and controlled, is really helping me to develop the mind-muscle connection with lats. Neutral grip is best for it too.
I actually tend to use my pecs when doing traditional pullups because I tend to squeeze inwards rather than pull down, and I was up to 4x8 pull ups
Dude, I know other people have given their well thought advices, but here is the truth of the matter. Don't worry about it. This whole mind-muscle connection, this whole feeling is overrated. You may not feel it yet, but you are indeed using your back, for you would not be able to curl your bodyweight; you can even try and see for yourself whether you could or not.
Futhermore, this feeling improves with experience in the lift and by increasing the load you are moving. Your back is strong as fuck. It won't feel much strain until you add a plate to your pull ups.
To summarize it all: don't worry; keep doing it and inscrease the wheights.
redpill me on incline bench vs flat bench
I get DOMS in my upper chest when I do incline which I like.
3x10 flat + 3x10 incline has practically given me breasts
Agree with everything except squats. I always manage to hurt my back the moment i go heavy on squats, no matter how slow I progress towards it.
>weak core and lower back
>blames the lift
Men of noble blood like myself didn't evolve to carry things on their backs. Stay mad, lowlife.
garden gnome-like thinking right there, your kind were weak and cowardly
Then why are you here? Lifting is for peasants. Getting obese and syphilis is for the royals
Look at the plebeians yap, never ceases to be funny.
I don't have issues doing ab work and my deadlift is my best lift, so it can't be either of those things.
nothing to discuss here frend, you got it correctly first try, would and some kind of CURLS tho.
swap lateral raises for OHP and pullups for chinups and sure
you will have underdeveloped traps and biceps if all you do is these 4 and those 2 are some of the most important muscles for aesthetics
>The Ascetic 4
I hate lateral raises. Doing them more because my shoulders suck. Doing them 6 days per week; 35s x8 day 1, 30s x10 day 2, 25s x12 day 3, repeat
Also on dumbbell shoulder press I swear I don’t feel anything unless I’m doing at least 12 reps
Lateral raises will become your friend when you realize they make your side delts pop/widen. I like to superset them with rear delt flys.
why are squats there? you could toss in upright rows or maybe LTEs for tris. should also be chinups for your bis not gay 'proper' pullups
Should be front squat instead
> no arm isolation
> no ab isolation
> no pec isolation
> shoulders? Only isolation!
Arms get done from pullups and bench. Pecs get done by bench.
If you're doing delts with isolation, what's the point of also doing them with a compound?
>arms get done by pullups
no. no they don't. you could at least say chinups as that actually hits bicep more.
>arms get done by bench
tricep maybe, rest no.
>delts with isolation, why compound?
compound shoulder exercises don't hit the side delts or even rear delts very well; most are front delt oriented. this is why most fitness people recommend lateral raises in the first place.
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