>vegan diet somehow makes the tunica media disappear.
FYI that wouldn't be good.
Do you have an ancestor that lived to be over 100 years old, because I do. You are a unbelievably moronic and uneducated homosexual. Again, READ A FRICKING BOOK, you moron.
>muh ancestors
How long did your ancestors live before the invention of modern medicine?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Modal age of death in modern adult hunter gatherers is in the 70s. Hunter gatherers in the past wouldve had it easier with many more fat animals and less people
>doesn't know you need fat to produce chemicals your body needs >doesn't know carbs can also be stored as fat >doesn't basic human biology
I know I shouldn't be shocked that people look like shit, but then you hear their opinions about nutrition (esp wrt lifting) and begin to understand.
>If people consume more carbohydrates than they need at the time, the body stores some of these carbohydrates within cells (as glycogen) and converts the rest to fat.
Sauce: https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/disorders-of-nutrition/overview-of-nutrition/carbohydrates,-proteins,-and-fats
Maybe read a little further than the first sentence that confirms your peanut-brain memory, dumbass.
So after I eat 400g of carbohydrates (2000+ Calories), then whatever I eat that I don't need gets converted into fat? Splendid. And what percentage of fat gets stored as fat?
>And what percentage of fat gets stored as fat?
Assuming your glycogen stores are filled? Probably most of it, after being utilized for whatever your body does with it (cell maintenance, hormone manufacture, etc).
I also would recommend against pure carbs and proteins, since there are some lipids that your body cannot produce.
>there are some lipids that your body cannot produce.
The total requirement for those EFA are around 14g per day. In other words, literally any conceivable diet would have more than enough, even eating nothing but apples all day.
>I also would recommend against pure carbs and proteins, since there are some lipids that your body cannot produce.
Right-wing ketoschizo conspiracy theory.
>Maybe read a little further than the first sentence that confirms your peanut-brain memory, dumbass.
What do you think this sentence means, in your own words?
Fat you eat is directly stored as fat. Carbs are stored as glycogen (up to 500g per day).
8 months ago
Anonymous
>up to 500g per day
No sane person is getting 100% of their calories as carbs. You're a dumbass or a troll.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I get 100% of my calories from carbs, ketoschizo
I consume only honey and water
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I consume only honey and water >100% animal product calories
Enjoy your heart disease, carnitard.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Evil karnie
>I consume only honey and water >100% animal product calories
Enjoy your heart disease, carnitard.
This
I eat omly high fructose corn syrup
8 months ago
Anonymous
durianrider eats 6000 calories of carbs yet he's ripped unlike the ketolards who eat 1000 calories of fat
8 months ago
Anonymous
He has anorexia athletica he has videos where he bikes literally all day, then pulls over and sleeps on the side of the road.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>No sane person is getting 100% of their calories as carbs.
80 / 10 / 10 Carbs / Fat / Protein is a better ratio.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>10% fat
Nice try ketoschizo.
8 months ago
Anonymous
45% carbs, 15% fat, 40% protein.
Unless you want your gains to suffer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you don't need that much protein
8 months ago
Anonymous
I do if I want gains on a caloric deficit. It also makes the math easier than 35% or whatever else might be "optimal" for gains.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>gains >on a caloric deficit
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm on a 500 calorie deficit and my rep numbers still increase. It's not impossible. You should reconsider the validity of your opinions.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>my rep numbers still increase
But did you get bigger? I find it hard to believe that you somehow gained weight on a deficit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>gained weight on a deficit
Physically impossible. But I did get more defined.
Still, I would not recommend it. Lifting while on a deficit feels like hell, recovery is awful.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>drink 1L of water = 0 calories >gained weight
?
8 months ago
Anonymous
muscle gain is possible if body fat is above certain level. protein will be used as building blocks and fat from adipose tissue as fuel for growth process.
8 months ago
Anonymous
more like 60-70/10-15/20-30 c/f/p for optimal performace. sedentary ones do not need above 15% protein and they should be very careful to not eat fat as body is less forgiving when sedentary.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>10% fat
let's see your blood work
8 months ago
Anonymous
let's see yours first fatass
8 months ago
Anonymous
Not a bad image but remember that both protein and fat can replenish glycogen stores (which is the only point of carbs) through gluconeogenesis.
my glycogen stores are currently empty (on a 3 month cut). so if I eat 1600-2000 calories over maintenance level most of it will be restored in my currently empty glycogen stores instead of being dumped back into fat? I ask because yesterday I ate 2k over what I am supposed to eat.
>athletic performance
what intensity? what duration? probably very little just what it takes to prevent hypoglycemia >recovery
not sure but athletes report improved recovery on low carb
8 months ago
Anonymous
>probably very little just what it takes to prevent hypoglycemia
So zero carb is ideal for athletic performance?
That's American education for you. In a few minutes, someone will claim eating sugar causes Diabetes. I wodner where that myth comes from because it isn't medical textbooks. Again, just American education.
I get banned for "troll posting" outside of b and IST is nothing but constant unmoderated trolling, off topic, low effort, poor quality, literal gay porn with monkey pox shit posts that derail and archive the good threads.
Do better.
Also, eating a balanced diet of fruits, vegetables, meats, dairy and grains in reasonable amounts is the superior diet that everyone should be consuming, not fad diets that nobody's are trying to trick you into buying their shitty book.
>this isn't a troll thread, lots of literature pointing out the fattening effect of dietary fats, google the rice diet
NTA, you haven't posted any literature, and I doubt you've ever read any. You seem like an annoying, moron, homosexual. Read a fricking book.
>What amount of glucose constitutes "excess glucose"? Do you know how much glycogen the body can store? >how does metabolism work?
These are questions, the answers to which are in books that you can download for FREE.
It can't store very much especially if there is a lack of muscle as there generally is with plant based high carb people. Even bodybuilders frequently become pre-diabetic from their high carb diets, despite their massive glycogen stores.
You really don't know? Tell me what you think an "excess" amount of carbs would be.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Well technically an "excess" has nothing to do with how much you can store, as I just pointed out in my last post bodybuilders regularly become diabetic despite not being fat and having more than enough glycogen storage. It's not relevant.
Any amount of carbs beyond what a species is adapted to consuming is excessive. A dog has some capacity for storing carbs also, like humans, but it is still toxic and inflammatory to them, and the cause of many vet visits. The same is true of humans. We are adapted to consuming only a small amount of carbs found in the wild and depending on geography I think it's moronic to pretend that humans are adapted to eating more than perhaps 100g per day before there is some sort of low level metabolic disease.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Any amount of carbs beyond what a species is adapted to consuming is excessive
8 months ago
Anonymous
>bodybuilders regularly become diabetic despite not being fat
Why do you think that might be? Could it have anything to do with steroid use and exogenous insulin? >I think it's moronic to pretend that humans are adapted to eating more than perhaps 100g per day
Then you must also be unaware that a healthy human body can optimally perform with a minimum of 300g carbs per day, and store a total of no less than 500g of glycogen. I'm also curipus as to what source of fuel you think the brain uses and how much of that fuel it requires.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm also curipus as to what source of fuel you think the brain uses and how much of that fuel it requires.
NTA, but why do you think this matters, and why do you think this is some sort of checkmate, gotcha question?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Just FYI, the correct answers are "glucose", and "120g". And that's just for the brain, which accounts for only 20% of energy demand.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>posts something obvious that can be found via google in under 5 seconds
Uhh, congrats I guess. Not sure where you are going with this.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Not sure where you are going with this. >it's moronic to pretend that humans are adapted to eating more than perhaps 100g per day before there is some sort of low level metabolic disease.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Just FYI, the correct answers are "glucose",
Just FYI, this was already posted ITT, you are just dumb, and suck at comprehension.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's wrong the human brain prefers ketones but does require a small amount of glucose which can be provided endogenously
8 months ago
Anonymous
>the human brain prefers ketones
According to what evidence?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Cahill measure blood going to the brain in humans
8 months ago
Anonymous
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Google George Cahill or read his papers on pubmed. Human brains preferred ketones even when glucose was more abundant
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Human brains preferred ketones even when glucose was more abundant
Your body doesn't make ketones when glucose is abundant.
8 months ago
Anonymous
i said glucose was more abundant but the brains still used more ketones
8 months ago
Anonymous
>ketones when glucose is abundant
regulated by insulin not glucose
8 months ago
Anonymous
Insulin has nothing to do with the brain
8 months ago
Anonymous
The brain probably makes insulin so wrong again chief
8 months ago
Anonymous
>The brain probably makes insulin
Did you just wake up and choose to turn off your brain today?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Enlighten me boy genius
8 months ago
Anonymous
The pancreas makes insulin moron-kun
8 months ago
Anonymous
lmao of course a diabetic can't use glucose ketoschizo
8 months ago
Anonymous
they were people eating a regular diet iirc. and your brain still uses some glucose but it uses less if you are adapted
8 months ago
Anonymous
>D-beta-hydroxybutyric acid not only has permitted man to survive prolonged starvation, but also may have therapeutic potential owing to its greater efficiency in providing cellular energy in ischemic states such as stroke, myocardial insufficiency, neonatal stress, genetic mitochondrial problems, and physical fatigue.
where's the part where he says it's the preferred source of fuel?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Thus normal 70 kg. man survives 2-3 months of starvation instead of several weeks, and obese man many months to over a year. Without this metabolic adaptation, H. sapiens could not have evolved such a large brain. Recent studies have shown that D-beta-hydroxybutyrate, the principal "ketone", is not just a fuel, but a "superfuel" more efficiently producing ATP energy than glucose or fatty acid
again, where's the part where he says ketones are the preferred fuel? illiterate moron kys
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Tell me what you think an "excess" amount of carbs would be.
'Bout tree fiddy. How about you frick off and sodomize yourself with your uneducated bait questions.
It can't store very much especially if there is a lack of muscle as there generally is with plant based high carb people. Even bodybuilders frequently become pre-diabetic from their high carb diets, despite their massive glycogen stores.
as a ketolard, this is true. Every skelly who can't gain weight that I know eats a diet of cheap carbs and doesn't understand what they are doing wrong but refuses to eat anything other than fricking horrible noodles and rice meals.
>carbs/sugar are.. LE BAD >fat is.. LE BAD
just shut the frick up, FRICKING SHUT UP. This shit benefits no one, and is in reality a massive waste of time for all individuals involved. Just eat whole foods, get enough protein if you lift, and live your life. Spending the next 30 years in an endless cycle of stupid moronic internet diet wars is not the way any of you should live. Literally do anything else
>>fat is.. LE BAD
it is >This shit benefits no one, and is in reality a massive waste of time for all individuals involved.
no, there have been malicious attempts at making fats essential, which is not the case. in truth there are no good fats because they'll all get stored as bodyfat and will cause cancer and insulin resistance, basic biochemistry and even old school bodybuilders acknowledged these facts. >get enough protein
another lie, protein has been massively overrated by the zog scientists to srll more protein powder. in reality 50 grams of protein a day is more than enough and that's if you're an active man
>be IST thread >post stupid statement >refuse to have discussion with any nuance whatsoever >relentlessly spam images of some fat bozo
average age of this board must be unironically like 19. literal morons everywhere.
Thats just modern online fitness for ya in general, all extremes, suggest a balanced diet of unprocessed meats, carbs and vegetables? NOOOOO KETA/CARNIVORE/VEGANISM IS THE ONLY WAY, suggest that while porn is bad masturbation in moderation isnt? israeli PORN SHILL TRYING TO DRAIN MY ARYAN SEED, suggest doing your cardio or some basic stretches for overall heart and joint health? DYEL TWINKS DEMOTIVATING THE BOARD
What's with the ceiling in the background?
water damage
tom cruise if he ai generated
I like eating fat. It makes me happier and more horny. I also ran 24 miles today so I can kinda eat whatever I want.
No.
Stick to 1500 calories per day.
Eat less fat, more fruit and veg.
Post body homo
dietary fat is beneficial for hormone production, you dumb c**t
Nope
Myth created by methed up ketoschizos
Hormones are not needed
Tesosterone and estrogen are poison
Hes joking
same filename every time
Nobody mentioned keto, take your meds.
only ketolards like eating fat
>only ketolards like eating fat
>eating avodacos is keto
correct, fat makes you fat
Literally everyone other than fruitarians eats fat.
>ketolardguru15.png
Kek; take your meds.
take your statins pig
Post body.
Take your insulin
Fat is PROVEN to cause diabetes
>these "memes"
JFC fricking KYS, moron.
i WILL outlive you
>vegan diet somehow makes the tunica media disappear.
FYI that wouldn't be good.
Do you have an ancestor that lived to be over 100 years old, because I do. You are a unbelievably moronic and uneducated homosexual. Again, READ A FRICKING BOOK, you moron.
>muh ancestors
How long did your ancestors live before the invention of modern medicine?
Modal age of death in modern adult hunter gatherers is in the 70s. Hunter gatherers in the past wouldve had it easier with many more fat animals and less people
Just stop replying. Its probably a bot.
>24 miles
If this is what works for you, keep at it. I' concerned about your knees tho.
>doesn't know you need fat to produce chemicals your body needs
>doesn't know carbs can also be stored as fat
>doesn't basic human biology
I know I shouldn't be shocked that people look like shit, but then you hear their opinions about nutrition (esp wrt lifting) and begin to understand.
>carbs can also be stored as fat
>If people consume more carbohydrates than they need at the time, the body stores some of these carbohydrates within cells (as glycogen) and converts the rest to fat.
Sauce: https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/disorders-of-nutrition/overview-of-nutrition/carbohydrates,-proteins,-and-fats
Maybe read a little further than the first sentence that confirms your peanut-brain memory, dumbass.
So after I eat 400g of carbohydrates (2000+ Calories), then whatever I eat that I don't need gets converted into fat? Splendid. And what percentage of fat gets stored as fat?
>And what percentage of fat gets stored as fat?
Assuming your glycogen stores are filled? Probably most of it, after being utilized for whatever your body does with it (cell maintenance, hormone manufacture, etc).
I also would recommend against pure carbs and proteins, since there are some lipids that your body cannot produce.
>there are some lipids that your body cannot produce.
The total requirement for those EFA are around 14g per day. In other words, literally any conceivable diet would have more than enough, even eating nothing but apples all day.
>since there are some lipids that your body cannot produce.
>I also would recommend against pure carbs and proteins, since there are some lipids that your body cannot produce.
Right-wing ketoschizo conspiracy theory.
>So after I eat 400g of carbohydrates (2000+ Calories)
400g of carbs is not 2000+ calories.
You're right, it should be 500g
he is trolling u
>Maybe read a little further than the first sentence that confirms your peanut-brain memory, dumbass.
What do you think this sentence means, in your own words?
It says 24-hour fasts for fat loss are moronic.
Fat you eat is directly stored as fat. Carbs are stored as glycogen (up to 500g per day).
>up to 500g per day
No sane person is getting 100% of their calories as carbs. You're a dumbass or a troll.
I get 100% of my calories from carbs, ketoschizo
I consume only honey and water
>I consume only honey and water
>100% animal product calories
Enjoy your heart disease, carnitard.
Evil karnie
This
I eat omly high fructose corn syrup
durianrider eats 6000 calories of carbs yet he's ripped unlike the ketolards who eat 1000 calories of fat
He has anorexia athletica he has videos where he bikes literally all day, then pulls over and sleeps on the side of the road.
>No sane person is getting 100% of their calories as carbs.
80 / 10 / 10 Carbs / Fat / Protein is a better ratio.
>10% fat
Nice try ketoschizo.
45% carbs, 15% fat, 40% protein.
Unless you want your gains to suffer.
you don't need that much protein
I do if I want gains on a caloric deficit. It also makes the math easier than 35% or whatever else might be "optimal" for gains.
>gains
>on a caloric deficit
I'm on a 500 calorie deficit and my rep numbers still increase. It's not impossible. You should reconsider the validity of your opinions.
>my rep numbers still increase
But did you get bigger? I find it hard to believe that you somehow gained weight on a deficit.
>gained weight on a deficit
Physically impossible. But I did get more defined.
Still, I would not recommend it. Lifting while on a deficit feels like hell, recovery is awful.
>drink 1L of water = 0 calories
>gained weight
?
muscle gain is possible if body fat is above certain level. protein will be used as building blocks and fat from adipose tissue as fuel for growth process.
more like 60-70/10-15/20-30 c/f/p for optimal performace. sedentary ones do not need above 15% protein and they should be very careful to not eat fat as body is less forgiving when sedentary.
>10% fat
let's see your blood work
let's see yours first fatass
Not a bad image but remember that both protein and fat can replenish glycogen stores (which is the only point of carbs) through gluconeogenesis.
no it means you can not eat an infinite amount of pasta beforehand, you need to bring carbohydrates to your cardio instead.
my glycogen stores are currently empty (on a 3 month cut). so if I eat 1600-2000 calories over maintenance level most of it will be restored in my currently empty glycogen stores instead of being dumped back into fat? I ask because yesterday I ate 2k over what I am supposed to eat.
't know you need fat to produce chemicals your body needs
How much fat, in grams?
>How much fat, in grams?
It doesn't matter, literally any fat will cause you to immediately get heart disease and die.
This
Alsp doetary fat immedoately converts to estrogen
Enjoy trooning out ketoschizos
About tree fiddy
>How much fat, in grams?
adequate to prevent deficiency is not optimal
>adequate to prevent deficiency is not optimal
What is the optimal amount of carbs, when it comes to athletic performance and recovery?
>athletic performance
what intensity? what duration? probably very little just what it takes to prevent hypoglycemia
>recovery
not sure but athletes report improved recovery on low carb
>probably very little just what it takes to prevent hypoglycemia
So zero carb is ideal for athletic performance?
>wrt
post hand
I'm white you moron.
wrt = with respect to
Learn to read.
>still hasn't posted hand
The sugar you eat is the wig you wear
>wig
Looks good though, no homo
unless you have malabsorption, then your shit just floats
Does no one on IST eat like a normal fricking person?
>not a single body has been posted ITT
So i'm supposed to live off Sirloin Tip Side Steak and Potatoes until the end?
No
Meat eating will clog your arteries and kill you by age 30
Everyone who has ever lived past 60 was vegan
These kind of posts are getting tiring
That's American education for you. In a few minutes, someone will claim eating sugar causes Diabetes. I wodner where that myth comes from because it isn't medical textbooks. Again, just American education.
Sugar does cause diabetes. And im swedish
>Sugar does cause diabetes
wrong
>So i'm supposed to live off Sirloin Tip Side Steak and Potatoes until the end?
Literally nothing wrong with that.
>another vegan shill thread
I get banned for "troll posting" outside of b and IST is nothing but constant unmoderated trolling, off topic, low effort, poor quality, literal gay porn with monkey pox shit posts that derail and archive the good threads.
Do better.
Also, eating a balanced diet of fruits, vegetables, meats, dairy and grains in reasonable amounts is the superior diet that everyone should be consuming, not fad diets that nobody's are trying to trick you into buying their shitty book.
this isn't a troll thread, lots of literature pointing out the fattening effect of dietary fats, google the rice diet
Stop eating like an American. Not every food needs salt and sugar.
What does rice have to do with salt and sugar?
sugar isn't fattening you dumb moronic Black person
>25g protein
NGMI.
good goycattle, eat more protein than your body needs and die an early death
>NGMI.
They literally lost weight. What is this supposed to mean?
>this isn't a troll thread, lots of literature pointing out the fattening effect of dietary fats, google the rice diet
NTA, you haven't posted any literature, and I doubt you've ever read any. You seem like an annoying, moron, homosexual. Read a fricking book.
What amount of glucose constitutes "excess glucose"? Do you know how much glycogen the body can store?
much less than you can store of fat
>much less than you can store of fat
Do you realize that you can store an infinite amount of fat, or are you being facetious?
you can't and I'm not. Our adipocyte size is distinct from herbivores we are carnivores
>you can't and I'm not. Our adipocyte size
Look up "My 600 pound life". You will quickly discover the unlimited ability of the body to store fat.
You don't understand size of fat cells vs number of fat cells
What difference does that make?
>What amount of glucose constitutes "excess glucose"? Do you know how much glycogen the body can store?
>how does metabolism work?
These are questions, the answers to which are in books that you can download for FREE.
You really don't know? Tell me what you think an "excess" amount of carbs would be.
Well technically an "excess" has nothing to do with how much you can store, as I just pointed out in my last post bodybuilders regularly become diabetic despite not being fat and having more than enough glycogen storage. It's not relevant.
Any amount of carbs beyond what a species is adapted to consuming is excessive. A dog has some capacity for storing carbs also, like humans, but it is still toxic and inflammatory to them, and the cause of many vet visits. The same is true of humans. We are adapted to consuming only a small amount of carbs found in the wild and depending on geography I think it's moronic to pretend that humans are adapted to eating more than perhaps 100g per day before there is some sort of low level metabolic disease.
>Any amount of carbs beyond what a species is adapted to consuming is excessive
>bodybuilders regularly become diabetic despite not being fat
Why do you think that might be? Could it have anything to do with steroid use and exogenous insulin?
>I think it's moronic to pretend that humans are adapted to eating more than perhaps 100g per day
Then you must also be unaware that a healthy human body can optimally perform with a minimum of 300g carbs per day, and store a total of no less than 500g of glycogen. I'm also curipus as to what source of fuel you think the brain uses and how much of that fuel it requires.
>I'm also curipus as to what source of fuel you think the brain uses and how much of that fuel it requires.
NTA, but why do you think this matters, and why do you think this is some sort of checkmate, gotcha question?
Just FYI, the correct answers are "glucose", and "120g". And that's just for the brain, which accounts for only 20% of energy demand.
>posts something obvious that can be found via google in under 5 seconds
Uhh, congrats I guess. Not sure where you are going with this.
>Not sure where you are going with this.
>it's moronic to pretend that humans are adapted to eating more than perhaps 100g per day before there is some sort of low level metabolic disease.
>Just FYI, the correct answers are "glucose",
Just FYI, this was already posted ITT, you are just dumb, and suck at comprehension.
That's wrong the human brain prefers ketones but does require a small amount of glucose which can be provided endogenously
>the human brain prefers ketones
According to what evidence?
Cahill measure blood going to the brain in humans
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
Google George Cahill or read his papers on pubmed. Human brains preferred ketones even when glucose was more abundant
>Human brains preferred ketones even when glucose was more abundant
Your body doesn't make ketones when glucose is abundant.
i said glucose was more abundant but the brains still used more ketones
>ketones when glucose is abundant
regulated by insulin not glucose
Insulin has nothing to do with the brain
The brain probably makes insulin so wrong again chief
>The brain probably makes insulin
Did you just wake up and choose to turn off your brain today?
Enlighten me boy genius
The pancreas makes insulin moron-kun
lmao of course a diabetic can't use glucose ketoschizo
they were people eating a regular diet iirc. and your brain still uses some glucose but it uses less if you are adapted
>D-beta-hydroxybutyric acid not only has permitted man to survive prolonged starvation, but also may have therapeutic potential owing to its greater efficiency in providing cellular energy in ischemic states such as stroke, myocardial insufficiency, neonatal stress, genetic mitochondrial problems, and physical fatigue.
where's the part where he says it's the preferred source of fuel?
>Thus normal 70 kg. man survives 2-3 months of starvation instead of several weeks, and obese man many months to over a year. Without this metabolic adaptation, H. sapiens could not have evolved such a large brain. Recent studies have shown that D-beta-hydroxybutyrate, the principal "ketone", is not just a fuel, but a "superfuel" more efficiently producing ATP energy than glucose or fatty acid
again, where's the part where he says ketones are the preferred fuel? illiterate moron kys
>Tell me what you think an "excess" amount of carbs would be.
'Bout tree fiddy. How about you frick off and sodomize yourself with your uneducated bait questions.
It can't store very much especially if there is a lack of muscle as there generally is with plant based high carb people. Even bodybuilders frequently become pre-diabetic from their high carb diets, despite their massive glycogen stores.
he looks like that moron doctor on that one tv show.
>Just nuke your endocrine system, bro
Nothing tastes as good as shitting feels.
as a ketolard, this is true. Every skelly who can't gain weight that I know eats a diet of cheap carbs and doesn't understand what they are doing wrong but refuses to eat anything other than fricking horrible noodles and rice meals.
I ate an entire jar of skippys peanut butter
>carbs/sugar are.. LE BAD
>fat is.. LE BAD
just shut the frick up, FRICKING SHUT UP. This shit benefits no one, and is in reality a massive waste of time for all individuals involved. Just eat whole foods, get enough protein if you lift, and live your life. Spending the next 30 years in an endless cycle of stupid moronic internet diet wars is not the way any of you should live. Literally do anything else
>>fat is.. LE BAD
it is
>This shit benefits no one, and is in reality a massive waste of time for all individuals involved.
no, there have been malicious attempts at making fats essential, which is not the case. in truth there are no good fats because they'll all get stored as bodyfat and will cause cancer and insulin resistance, basic biochemistry and even old school bodybuilders acknowledged these facts.
>get enough protein
another lie, protein has been massively overrated by the zog scientists to srll more protein powder. in reality 50 grams of protein a day is more than enough and that's if you're an active man
Just take the high IQ path in the middle, which means Ray Peat.
20 minutes of Durian roider and feefee talking about their constant mental illness, binge eating and purging
>be IST thread
>post stupid statement
>refuse to have discussion with any nuance whatsoever
>relentlessly spam images of some fat bozo
average age of this board must be unironically like 19. literal morons everywhere.
Thats just modern online fitness for ya in general, all extremes, suggest a balanced diet of unprocessed meats, carbs and vegetables? NOOOOO KETA/CARNIVORE/VEGANISM IS THE ONLY WAY, suggest that while porn is bad masturbation in moderation isnt? israeli PORN SHILL TRYING TO DRAIN MY ARYAN SEED, suggest doing your cardio or some basic stretches for overall heart and joint health? DYEL TWINKS DEMOTIVATING THE BOARD
>146 replies
>49 posters
>0 bodies posted
shit thread
diet war threads are just fatasses trolling each other
A man who cannot beat me in physical combat hasn't got anything to say that is worth hearing.