The macros of a thin crust pizza are not even bad.
Why is it considered such a junk food?
The macros of a thin crust pizza are not even bad. Why is it considered such a junk food?
The macros of a thin crust pizza are not even bad.
Why is it considered such a junk food?
Because goyslop.
Once you fill the dough with sugar and use sneed oil for a topping, it's shit.
If you make it at home, it's fricking great.
Literally nobody puts sugar in the crust.
Actually most American styles use about 1% sugar because it causes the crust to crisp up and get that nice golden brown colour.
Italian style pizzas normally don't unless it's during the proofing of the yeast.
moron thats the same reason its in american crusts too has nothing to do with the browning of the crust don't talk about shit you don't know about you homosexual moron
Listen, sugar isn't a food, and shouldn't be an ingredient at all.
It's a food-safe bulking agent. Used to make the food you buy weight more.
That's how it's used in the industry.
show me one pizza with sugar in the crust
Sugar is required for the yeast to become active and rise the dough. Yeast eats sugar and make bubbles.
Source: I make my own pizza dough weekly
Not needed. My dough is yeast, salt, and flour. That's it. That's all you need. 24 hr rise.
No it fricking isn't, use a poolish or a sponge or something to that affect it just takes more time is all. Also increase the hydration of your dough and stop using a rolling pin you fricking swine.
>Sugar is required for the yeast to become active
No, yeast needs a source of carbs to consume but the flour used in the dough is sufficent.
>goyslop
this is something people need to get their heads around
I ate all the pizza, pasta, fatty meat, etc. in the world when I was in Rome - but I felt great. They didn't put all the crap into it. Most oils were olive oil, no goofy preservatives, pasta was made right there out of whole ingredients.
Somewhere I read that all this gluten-sensitivity stuff in the US may be because our wheat and bread products have so much more than overseas. A friend who is gluten sensitive is able to eat bread products from Europe.
You can make nearly anything acceptable if you were to make it yourself.
This extends to IIFYM - don't try to claim that all fats are the same. Omega 3 vs 6 ratio is a real thing. Same with carbs - sugar and sweet potatoes are not the same. Even proteins, given the amino acid balance - but it's less of a problem with meat sources.
>China and the US are tied for worst
Proud American here.
You could say America is the worst because everything, knowingly, has shit added to it. Horrible shit that is banned in real countries or will be some day.
You could say China because of shit unknowingly added to things - contamination, chemicals, etc. That said, don't get me started on the parts of Africa that literally fry food in PCB laden transformer oil.
If you wanna go down an interesting rabbit hole - we also cook things in transformer oil. There is a food grade and an industrial grade of one specific oil. It's used to reduce caking. The refinery in Vicksburg, MS makes both grades.
We have gluten problems in Europe too. It’s likely just due to shit diet. If you buy bread made of good ingredients, regardless of continent, it will be edible
I was amazed when I first time visited US how much shittier everything was, ultaprocessing stuff is taken to the next level, it's not even comparable.
EU has banned most of the stuff they put in foods in the US.
usa food is so ridiculously cheap though it makes me seethe. compared to canada at least
I went to italy for a conference and felt like absolute shit because of the food. I'm used to low carb, meat and vegetable lifestyle. Those motherfrickers eat straight grains with nothing for every meal. They didn't do vegetables, they hardly did meat-- just endless piles of risotto, pasta, pizza, and similar glucose bombs. I lost weight because I couldn't stand to eat the food. I also started popping acarbose like crazy just to get through the mandatory business meals. If I hadn't thought to bring any I would have been flattened.
Putting some sugar in dough is completely normal practice in general, moron.
To jumpstart the proofing, sure, the yeasts will eat it all anyway.
Not so normal to mix either in with the flour afterwards.
But it sells better.
>goyslop
this word is just whatever you need it to be at any given time innit
In this case it clearly means mass-produced food that's scientifically optimized for profit pushing the bounds of whatever is legally allowed.
Anything I don't like is goyslop.
It could loosely translate into slavefood.
No nutrition, just something to fill your stomach so you keep on working.
by definition a pizza isn't goyslop then. It's got fat, carbs, and protein with a handful of vitamins in there. Is it the cleanest food? Frick no. But it's way better than something like a grilled cheese or a hot pocket.
What is "scientifically optimized" about frozen pizza? If you want to go full moron grab an organic pizza or a take'n'bake.
>What is "scientifically optimized" about frozen pizza?
Doesn't matter, i'm just giving you the relevant definition of goyslop. Posts like this:
(and this:
) are cancerous. Don't play gay semantics shit if you have a real point to make. You know what he fricking means. Either dispute the claim or leave it be.
Like here it means "The original definition of goyslop".
Who the frick FILLS the dough with sugar? It's just a tiny amount.
Herd mentality
because most people get it from fast food chains or from cheap greasy restaurants managed by third worlders
Hyuck hyuck hyuck I want my pizza to be expensive and fat free!!!!
Or just make it yourself so it's not shit while being cheaper
It's not cheaper that way and your pizza will taste vile since you're a gay racist moron pretending to hate grease
>pizza stone for your oven ~20$
>Pizza Peel ~20$
>high gluten flour 5lb ~7.50
>Jar of whatever sauce you like ~5.00
>Fat free mozarella 4.00/7oz
(this is discounting toppings for ease of calculation and water/yeast for the dough because it is so fricking cheap)
For 4 12" pizza you will use 1.5lb of bread flour, 16 oz of fat free cheese and 1/4 of a jar of sauce. That is (2.50+1.25+9.14)/4 which works out to 3.225$ per pie discounting the ~40$ in start up costs.
For our comparisons we're going to use Dominos 12" cheese (15.99) and little caesar's (7.99). We're going to assume that you don't tip, don't pay taxes and walk everywhere because I'm lazy.
3.225x+40=15.99x x=3.13357
3.225x+40=7.99x x=8.39454
So if you're eating dominos you start saving money after your 4th pizza whereas if you like eating little caesar's you start saving money at the 9th. This is also discounting the Calorie difference in between the two pizza, and other intangibles such as being able to choose your own toppings. If you don't want to use fat free cheese you save significantly more money, although you can also use nicer cheese which again changes the calculations a bit. Of course if you buy a used pizza oven off of craigslist the calculations change a bit too, but the overall point stands.
>fat free mozzarella
Have never seen this in burgerland, fake news
https://www.safeway.com/shop/product-details.960109670.html
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Kraft-Mozzarella-Fat-Free-Shredded-Cheese-7-oz-Bag/46791733
https://www.amazon.com/fat-free-mozzarella-shredded-cheese/s?k=fat+free+mozzarella+shredded+cheese
So expensive to get it from Amazon, walshart near me doesn't have it, and I don't have a Safeway. I checked the local "health food grocery" and they don't sell it either
The next step would be to look for low fat cheeses, part skim should be significantly easier to find. It's not something that I'd use if I was actively dieting, but for a lifestyle substitution it should be alright.
pizza is never expensive, just don't go with the bottom of the barrel garbage made by clueless morons. Or make it yourself
He's so much of a shut-in moron he thinks pepperoni is nonwhite lmao he should kill himself
>pizza is never expensive
Speak for yourself
I live in Japan, an American medium costs like 4000 JPY (~$27 USD)
eh it's so cheap to eat good stuff in Japan, I'd give up pizza if it meant having access to nice and inexpensive ramen and shit
>good stuff
ah yes, wonderful food such as a bowl of carbs in a fat broth. go japan! let's healthy!
dumbfrick
Ramen isn't good food, it's oil and salt and carbs
But you're right, there's a lot of good cheap food here
Japanese food is either carbs upon carbs or deep-fried meat covered in carbs
even with sushi you have to be careful because the rice has added sugar so you have to make sure you eat less of it
Sushi doesn't have added sugar, where the frick did you learn that?
At most it has rice wine in the rice
Beef bowl is like the McDonalds of Japan and it's literally just marinated beef on rice, not fried
You don't know much about this country.
Black person
>Sushi doesn't have added sugar
the basic recipe for sushi rice is rice, rice vinegar (which is sweet as frick already), then extra sugar and a bit of salt.
>Beef bowl
it's literally the greasiest parts of beef covered in a sugar sauce, served on top of a bowl of white rice.
you can say many good things about Japan but their food is some of the lowest quality, most unhealthy slop I've seen in any country.
>but their food is some of the lowest quality, most unhealthy slop I've seen in any country.
You have never been to Japan, m8
Japan has the highest quality ingredients in the world
China and the US are tied for worst
>Japan has the highest quality ingredients in the world
and then it covers them in sugar or deep fries them. the quality of the ingredients is irrelevant if you use them to make pure slop
No they don't
You've never been to Japan, jfc
you're a delusional, seething weeb
I literally live in Japan and have experience cooking Japanese food
I literally live in Japan and have experience cooking Japanese food too. what now weeb?
No you don't because you think they put sugar in sushi
show me a single recipe for sushi rice without tons of sugar in it, mr. japan expert
K
1. Cook rice with some water and mirin
2. No other steps
cool! except that that's not how they cook it in Japan, which is what you were arguing, seething weeb-sama
Post a photo you've taken in Japan
I mean holy shit
Look at the average American, not look at the average Japanese
Why the frick would you criticize our diets when 99% of your women are 300lbs+?
because both Japanese women AND men are 90lbs. incorporating more food beyond simple carbs may be a good idea
I love 90 lb people. Now frick off with your fat bullshit.
I feel bad for my male Asian friends who just can't gain mass. They train hard, and are ripped as hell, but just can't put on mass.
That said, I know 3 few guys with Chinese bloodlines (mountainous areas) - One is 6'4", one 6'3", one 6'2". The tallest one doesn't even lift and carries a good bit of mass.
Genetics, man. So variable.
mirin has sugar, its a sweet rice wine
How fat are you that you think sushi is sweet?
Americans, people
Recipe for a California roll:
100g sugar
10g rotten salmon
10g rancid rice filled with toxic chemicals and pesticides
1g nori
Americans would think sushi is bland BECAUSE we eat so much sugar otherwise
I just want you both to know that nobody gives a frick at all and we’re all rooting for you to have a nice day. Dumbass weebs.
Japan uses (or at least has approved for use) the most food additives of any country in the world
Why do they love so long then
japan does add sugar to most all of its food. Its an inconsequential amount compared to how much is added to most of Americas food though.
Carbs are literally not your enemy. It's only become a problem because of modern lifestyles being primarily sedentary. All generations before us were stuck doing manual labour so it was perfectly fine for them to have carbohydrates. Carbs are also the only fuel source for your body. Even fat and protein are broken down with lyposis and gluconeogenesis to make glucose/glycogen.
Issue is more so fiber imo. The average fiber intake is down 90% from olden times so the carb load effect on boood sugar is much much worse now.
Undoubtedly. If people were consuming mostly complex carbs it wouldn't even be that much of an issue but seeing how most people get 50%+ from refined simple sugars it's a real shitfest. And people wonder why they're always tired and devoid of energy during the day when they slam HFCS unknowingly on almost every meal.
don’t bother out there. if you’re outside of the american northeast, you’ll never have good pizza.
>israelite yorker thinks his poverty tier "pizza" is good
new york pizza is the shittiest pizza on the planet I'd rather eat a slice of those recycled chuck e cheese pizzas
Let me guess, Italian? Cope and seethe. American pizza btfo Italian pizza
Never had American pizza (bet it's trash tho) but italian pizza is by far the best I've had
t. german
>don’t bother out there. if you’re outside of the american northeast, you’ll never have good pizza.
this just isn't true, and the fact that you didn't even specify "New York" leads me to believe that you're probably from New Jersey or Connecticut or some shit, which makes your opinion doubly embarrassing
don't ever try to opine on food again, you fricking clown
frick off weeb
I also live in Japan. Just goto a decent sized mega Donki and get a full sized pepperoni pizza cooked fresh in store for 550 yen you gay.
Besides that regular oven pizzas frozen at shops are decent the Italian rectangular one is great. Twinbird oven online in 9500 yen, you can even bake with it and it comes with a pizza stone.
Stop complaining becuase you're shit.
I just want it to be made of actual food
>fat free
This reply wreaks of obesity. Sweaty, unwashed obesity.
Kys liar Moxyte
You're worse than barneygay
"Clean" eating is broscience. Count your calories, stay hydrated, take your meds. You'll be alright.
>take your meds
israelite detected
Supplements you fricking moron
>broscience
and broscience is bad because bros don't trust israelites?
>clean eating is broscience
No it's literally not. It's not just "cleaner calories" as in not getting. It's also eliminating all the added chemicals that are in all the processed foods that you get at the supermarket. There are large metaanalysis that heavily indicate a destructive effect on the stomach and gut. It's going to destroy your health long term even if you're not getting fat. Wash your damn vegetables and fruit. Buy untreated, if possible: locally produced and most importantly COOK YOUR OWN FRICKING FOOD
Thin crust pizza has more calories than normal pizza. Look it up.
for the same number of slices it would be less, its only more by mass because theres a higher percentage of calories from fat
These are the people giving you advice on IST
By brainwashed normies and fit influencers who eat up a box of cereal when their once a week refered/cheat day?
Where's the protein
cheese
meat toppings
cheese
The base
The cheese
The meat
buying fast food is just lazy behavior though, unless you're working 12 hour shifts a day and the food is somehow both better quality and cheaper than what you could prepare at home I don't think you should buy it
>250 calories per slice
>high in saturated fat
>ton of carbs
>after dough is made it is covered in vegetable oil to preserve it and make it easy to work with
This is purely a cheat food OP who are you kidding
ketolards are a blight
>saturated fat is le bad
>calories are le bad
>carbs are le bad
You're moronic.
Who is the little BJJ homie that eats only pizza and pasta? That guy is a living whitepill for carb enjoyers
mikey musumeci
also known as "darth rigatoni"
Very autistic even for BJJ standards.
just had a self made pizza. 900kcal 350g 60g protein. epic macros
Because of where most people get their pizza. Make it at home you should be fine. California pizza kitchen is also not too bad relative to other restaurant pizza
who said? i didnt. if you get a pizza with good macros its a pizza with good macros. if you get some slop thats 2000kcal and has like 50g of protein then its not so good.
>ketoschizo shitting up another thread because japanese people dare to eat carbs
Wish this homosexual would use a trip so I never have to see him again
because if you don't live specifically in NY it's trash.
t. lived in NY for 12 years, lived in 4 different states over the past 10, none have passable pizza.
>3000mg of sodium for a whole pie
>not even bad
Nope, sodium is only an issue if you're already hypertensive or diabetic. There's people who eat in excess of 5 grams a day and have better longevity prospects than you.
>glycosphate, heart attack GMO wheat and yeast in the crust
>sodium nitrites and corn/onions byproducts in the toppings
>will leave you fat, depressed, and brittle by your forties
Make it from scratch
most pizzas aren't thin crust, most pizzas are heavy on cheese, extremely greasy, have a lot of sugar in the sauce, and are covered in processed meats like pepperoni and sausage, the macros of which are far from ideal. a thin crust pizza with homemade dough, a bit of mozzarella, a healthier sauce, chicken and vegetables, for instance, will be much healthier, yes.
>Why is it considered such a junk food?
The typical combination of salty dough, sauce and cheese is very easy to overeat. A salad with a slice of pizza is no problem but 3-4 slices of just pizza nets you way too much salt and saturated fat with more calories than you probably needed and no fiber. Enjoy retaining water and being constipated the day after a pizza party.
It's not necessarily ingredient quality either, but the ratios. Not saying to go eat goyslop Pizza but even regular pizza is reasonably considered junky (unless they go light on the salt and cheese)
The fat to protein ratio is way off. Even thin crust has a lot of carbs.
There's nothing inherently wrong with pizza, usually the people who act like a high quality pizza is unhealthy are fatties who only just now learned about diet but don't fully understand yet.
It's the bread that makes pizza unhealthy.
Agriculture was a mistake.
Keto doesn't work for people who are actually active, I've gave it so many chances and everyone I know who actually tries hard in the gym have come to the same conclusion.
Shawn Baker hasn't eaten carbs in over 5 years. He's extremely active.
Yeah but the only time he ever took a drug test publicly it was really clear from his blood work that he was rebounding after using gear. I mean you can cut with keto but I wouldn't as a natty.
Actually his blood tests prove he isn't on gear. People who inject testosterone have supraphysiological levels in their blood.
He had very low levels that can only be explained by him coming off right before the test and not being fully rebounded. Guys simply can't have levels that low and do what he does there is no other worldly explanation.
Show one example of a known roider getting results like that.
His blood tests show he is natty. His body is actually using the testosterone. Unlike Mic the Vegan who has testosterone floating around in his blood but looks like a weak gay.
Furthermore Shawn Bakers testosterone blood tests have increased the longer he has been on the diet. I don't think pointing out his blood tests is the huge win you believe it is.
Some people are more sensitive to testosterone than others. It absolutely is possible to have lower levels of T and do what he does.
>this Black person never heard of cruising
>believes everything some tiktok scammer says
i also remember he had very high cholesterol levels
>Shawn Baker hasn't eaten carbs in over 5 years
why do you zoomtroonys believe every single fricking thing said by every homosexual on tiktok?
did it ever occur to your peabrain that maybe they make up outrageous bullshit to get morons like to watch their monetized videos?
Someone on this board brings up Shawn baker to me every time I say keto doesn't work for me for at least 5 years now, it's probably the same person I've always brought up the test levels to or Shawn himself I just don't know at this point.
>frick off Shawn
What about those bananas in his kitchen? Am I supposed to believe he bought them all just for decoration?
He lives with family.
He does eat some carbs, your brain requires some form of glucose to function.
damn, imagine how strong he would be if he actually properly fueled his muscles instead of going on in power saving mode.
Jesus frick why do you suck this guy off so much. Literally every day you flood threads with "STRONGEST I'VE BEEN IN 10...'" and "GET AFTER IT" and "A PLEASURE TO LI..."
You're either Baker or he pays you to advertise for him. Or you really do just do it for free like the cuck you are.
He has mental illness
Carbs in the dough cause a glycemic response and the insulin transports the fat straight to adipose tissue. That's why people don't get fat on keto diets.
Home made is fine. Take out is goyslop full of junk.
>Take out is goyslop full of junk.
Like what?
seed oils
grain fed meat
grain fed cheese
atrazine laced veggies
grain crust
It's only bad because it is made with added sugar, seed oils, and it's non-organic. Buy organic cheese and sauce, make your own dough, and it's excellent.
If you have an extra chest freezer with racks, you can pizza prep about a month in advance. Make all the pizzas as normal, freeze them on the racks instead of cooking them, then grab one out once a day and cook it. You get delivery quality for about $3-4 a pizza, less if you buy bulk.
Macros are not everything or you should just eat candy
T almost got heart attack at 30
because a single slice is like 400 calories and my limit all day is like 1200
>12 fricking 00
What in the goddamn
im like 5ft1. tbh i think my regular daily amt i eat is around 1600 which is why im overweight. i do have SOME muscle mass tho. but im like 30% bf so. its a hard life
>5'1"
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i wish i lived in texas. canadian meat prices (and everything else) is so expensive.......... once i get more of a career under my belt to support myself id love to move to texas. seems based. but id take any based state tbh. canada got absolutely invaded
if you're eating at chain pizza places you're ngmi
like if you even consider that shit food you should just have a nice day right now
Thin crust mozzarella cheese with chicken is not junk food, deep dish greasy bread loaded with cheddar and salami is. Guess which one sells more.
In America "pizza" is usually some thick crust monstrosity loaded with toppings with like 5000 calories per pie. A proper pizza is thin and topped with nothing more than cheese.
the picture you posted has basil you absolute knob
That is 1. Burnt
2. Misshapen
3. Not enough cheese
4. Probably bland
As is the custom for Italian pizza
Pizza is literally nothing more than bread, tomato, cheese, and a little olive oil. These things are clean and healthy to eat, but Americans ruin it by putting shit like sausage and barbecue sauce on it. It doesn't have to be a ridiculous calorie bomb, but fat fricks can't help themselves. Americans are so disgusting that they dip their pizza abominations in ranch dressing.
like i give a shit, a cheesy greasy pepperoni pizza with either no toppings or a hundred toppings taste fricking good. Who the frick gatekeeps pizza lol. I went to a place that had indian pizza, like butter chicken pizza, tikka masasla pizza, it wasn't very good lol. But normal pizza? its good. you can have plain margherita pizza and that's good too, but so is the double triple bossy deluxe pizza. Do i eat it? no, my limit is like 1200. Does it taste good? frick yea it does.
>t. has never had a good barbeque chicken pizza
pickled red onions, nice bacon/ham (eg prosciutto) and a cheese mixture like mozz/cheddar/gorgonzola make it fricking amazing
The calorie to protein ratio is terrible and that’s literally the only thing that matters
Most people dont just eat a single slice
They eat 3 slices, guzzle it down with a pepsi, and already had mcdonalds breakfast that morning.