Yeah it's unironically over if you were a sedentary teen. You have weaker bones, a smaller penis, and less built up myonuclei during your most resistance training sensitive years.
Is it really over?
I was a sedentary loser until I started training recently. I'm also 19.
If it really is then if will have kids, I'll teach them to live healthy lifestyle.
We fat loser should have been bullied a lot more then we have already been, by adults too. Fricking sedentary lifestyle. It's our fault for being whiny fat small dick b***hes when we get older. I'll try and salvage what little testosterone I have left. You really opened my eyes, thanks.
>Is it really over?
No. I was a skinnyfat piece of shit for most of my life and started lifting in my early 20s, mires have become a daily thing. Don't pay any attention to demoralization.
Thanks a lot man, I'll keep consistent and hope I'll post a mire thread in the future myself. People like you are the reason many morons from here, including mysel, do not give up entirerly ( even though we shouldn't need constant reminders to continue our goals)
That body is a natty one, especially since he trained 2.5 years for it. If it would have 6 months or so, then yeah, very good genetics and steroids. But it's a natural transformation for those with at least bad to average genetics in timespan of 2.5 years.
The injections are called consistency and hard work.
Dude, literally search any youtube video or forums
18-20 years old skinny fat to loser transformation/progress, and you'll plenty.
Of course, your motivation shouldn't be those guys or self improve books or shit like that
Your motivation should come from your anger towards yourself, anger towards your weakness. Only then can you be consistent and become stronger and enter the right mindset.
Thanks a lot man, I'll keep consistent and hope I'll post a mire thread in the future myself. People like you are the reason many morons from here, including mysel, do not give up entirerly ( even though we shouldn't need constant reminders to continue our goals)
It is over for the skeletal and penis gains that come from elevated testosterone and DHT during puberty. The fact that you're 19 means you could still salvage some penis though.
I'm a little moronic but do the penis gains come from the body fat loss and muscles gained? ( plus the testosterone increase)?
Or is there another reason?
Losing fat makes it look bigger, but yes I think a testosterone spike in your late teens would cause actual growth if it was stunted by low T from being fat.
Also high bodyfat increases estrogen and inhibits testosterone
God damn, these are the things that should be taught in Sex ED. Of course, for people like us, it should be given information, but for normal people, it's a subconscious reward after living healthy from a young age.
I lifted babyweights at home as a teen 15-18. But I started because a classmate called me big and I thought I'd capitalize on that. Didn't make much progress and I stopped. Now I'm 28 and I started lifting heavy again two years ago. I'm nothing impressive but I regularly get mired.
Focus on pushing yourself, lift and eat and you'll see it for yourself :^)
>Yeah it's unironically over if you were a sedentary teen. You have weaker bones, a smaller penis, and less built up myonuclei during your most resistance training sensitive years.
Imagine taking no responsibility for yourself and blaming genetics then calling me the demoralizer. Frick you. People DO have control of their own destiny. Crabs in a bucket mentality.
>muh you were sedentary as a teen (90% of posters here) so don't even bother now bro you fricked up forever even though your previous lifestyle had at best minimal impact
Black person it's so transparent what you're going for
Not really you braindead moron.
The human body adapts from childhood-teenage years to the lifestyle you are living.
So if most of the time, from age 8 to 16 you stay on a fricking chair, your body will adapt for that. You'll get bad back posture, your center of gravity will fall hard on your gut and you'll get bigger hip bones because of that. If you are also a mouthbreather, you'll become a chinlet. So shut up with this genetics crap. Yeah they a play a role in your limit and starting point, but lifestyle choices are more important.
No it's overwhelmingly genetics, most people have fine genetics in all likelihood so they shouldn't care at al about any of this.
Also no you moron mouthbreathing doesn't cause being a chinlet, that's mewing cope. Facial features are overwhelmingly hereditary as is pretty much everything else, environment matters very little unless you're malnourished or some shit. Muh "if I'd worked out as a teen I would be 6'3" or "if I'd powerlifted as a 14yo my dick would be 2" longer", like that moron seems to imply, mindset is just sour grapes and it's not even true in the slightest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>muh you were sedentary as a teen (90% of posters here) so don't even bother now bro you fricked up forever even though your previous lifestyle had at best minimal impact >Black person it's so transparent what you're going for
By "it's over" I mean you can't take it back, obviously I don't think people should give up. Shaming people like this means they won't do it to their kids.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Okay, I agree. I personally wouldn't let my kid play vidya all day as well while drinking and eating goyslop, but that's really not gonna do that much. It'll be like a 10% improvement at most if he leads a perfect lifestyle as a teen. The rest is genetics. Just look at twins who look identical (and have similar IQs and personalities) despite one twin mouthbreathing a bit more, eating a bit different, etc. or leading different lifestyles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There is a measurable impact on stature and dick size from being fat and low test/high estrogen though. Not sure why you're denying one of the more straight forward things.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even if there is supposedly one, it pales in comparison to what hormones your body naturally produces and what ratio comes out of it, regardless. Also, you can be low test/high estrogen, but how much does being fat in that equation matter or does that ratio itself caused a higher bf percentage to begin with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fat produces more estrogen. Just search it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I never even disputed that fat cells cause more aromatization, you're just repeating yourself
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I personally wouldn't let my kid play vidya all day as well while drinking and eating goyslop, but that's really not gonna do that much.
And most importantly people are often getting cause and effect wrong. Is a kid sedentary and reclusive because he was weak, etc. or did the lifestyle cause it? It's probably the former. So basically, it all matters frick all.
Not really you braindead moron.
The human body adapts from childhood-teenage years to the lifestyle you are living.
So if most of the time, from age 8 to 16 you stay on a fricking chair, your body will adapt for that. You'll get bad back posture, your center of gravity will fall hard on your gut and you'll get bigger hip bones because of that. If you are also a mouthbreather, you'll become a chinlet. So shut up with this genetics crap. Yeah they a play a role in your limit and starting point, but lifestyle choices are more important.
>nooo I ate 1 onions bean as a teen that's why I have a 4" penis and I'm 5'1!!! It's so overrrr 🙁
Low IQ and basically, just kys. What that anon argued is literally environmental determinism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>noooo I was genetically predetermined to be a 5'4 with 6 inch wrists and start balding at 20 even though my grandfathers on both sides were over 6 foot and brick-jawed it's my genetics!! Stop demoralizing me!! Everything is predermined!! There is nothing you can do in life to make any change! STOP DEMORALIZING ME!!! *sobs*
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There is nothing you can do in life to make any change!
The argument is literally that you cannot change the shit you did as a teen and that Black person said "it's over" you dumb moron. Sorry, it's still all genetics and you're coping, look at twin studies for a change. How often you played vidya as a teen does not matter in the big picture.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's because of my genetics that I'm a recessed subhuman!! (even though none of my ancestors were recessed like me) Nothing is influenced by environment!! Reality isn't cause and effect!! (even though all evidence ever points to it being cause and effect) Everything is predermined by a divine entity! ONCE AND FOR ALL: STOP DEMORALIZING ME!!! *sobs*
2 years ago
Anonymous
>t. blames eating onions sauce once as a teen for his micropenis, being obese (despite obesity itself being heritable) for his lack of a jaw, and doesn't lift because he missed muh critical period, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary and the existence of twins >if I mewed as a kid I would have a jawline now (even though mouthbreathing is more of an effect of having an undeveloped jaw, not the cause)!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
funny i was fat and still mouthbreathe but have an amazing jawline and prominent chin. think a big part of it is food. saw a study of indian families who immigrated to the US and kids developed recessed chins and narrow jawlines cuz of soft american food. makes sense cuz my mom was always an awful cook and would sear the life out of any meat she prepared.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Here's the deal little man: I don't suffer from any of the ailments that you do, because I didn't sit around all day playing vidya and stuffing my recessed face with doritos. That's you. And it's easier for you to cope with your failed single life offered to you on this earth by blaming your genetics. But fact of the matter is; things could have been better, you could have been better. But you aren't. And it was not predermined by some divine entity to punish you. You did this, to yourself. Sucks to suck
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice LARP homosexual. Stop assuming things and especially stop reading broscience, you moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
-scientific religion of fatalism & genetic determinism
Why did I even take this bait, holy shit what a moron.
You guys know that wrist size is genetically predetermined and all bone growth magically ceases the moment you turn 18 right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
-scientific religion of fatalism & genetic determinism
Why did I even take this bait, holy shit what a moron.
https://i.imgur.com/mbgXG60.png
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You guys know that wrist size is genetically predetermined and all bone growth magically ceases the moment you turn 18 right?
Woops
2 years ago
Anonymous
-scientific religion of fatalism & genetic determinism
Why did I even take this bait, holy shit what a moron.
Same. I was completely sedentary, ate like shit, and my dick is 7" while I'm 5'11 with a 5'1 mom and 5'10 dad. Also 18" biacromial so I don't think it mattered.
Were you skinny while playing games? Skinny dudes usually end up tall with big dicks since low fat = high testosterone as long as you get protein in. I was one of them. I drank a lot of milk and sometimes did some pushups/pull ups and situps.
6'3" 7.75x6"
Wrong it's actually estrogen. Higher testosterone and aromatization (due to fat) would cause your growth plates to close more quickly because of the excess estrogen. Being lean would decrease aromatization because of increased DHT (which is an aromatase inhibitor) during puberty. Being an active fat kid would make you shorter but denser and come out of growth quicker, sedentary fat limits you all around.
>Being lean would decrease aromatization because of increased DHT (which is an aromatase inhibitor) during puberty.
I highly doubt that is significant since DHT is what causes facial hair, and the guys that develop a lot of facial hair early also stop growing early. It's lower testosterone - when guys have very low testosterone they grow to be giants.
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Frick off with youtube links, if you can't debate me with what you know forget it. I think we are done here anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're just wrong. DHT is responsible for dick growth by the way. Being fat during puberty speeds up puberty so it ends quicker, being fat during puberty decreases testosterone by as much as 40%, being fat also decreases growth hormone which is responsible for height. There, the cliff notes of the video.
>DHT (which is an aromatase inhibitor)
Holy moron DHT is not an inhibitor. The word you're looking for is agonist. You have no clue what you're talking about, stop posting youtube links.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yet you have no idea being fat reduces your testosterone and GH during puberty. You can't be saved. Watch more
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not that anon, I'm aware of that you fricking moron. It's not anywhere near 40%. Frick off with this yt broscience.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>yt broscience!!!! >Literally just reads the studies
2 years ago
Anonymous
IDK if DHT is an inhibitor of aromatase but it does reduce estrogen which is why DHT and DHT-based AAS are used for competition prep and shows... they make you look "dried out" by reducing estrogen and the attendant subcutaneous water it makes you hold. At any rate, DHT is most certainly is NOT an agonist... frankly I think it's actually you who don't know these terms or the biology, because aromatase as an enzyme is not a receptor that gets "agonized" or "antagonized". When it comes to enzymes, something is either a substrate or a product (something that gets acted on by the enzyme, or whatever results from the enzyme's action with the substrate)
Yeah I was super underweight the majority of my childhood. I was already 7 inches and 5’11 in the 7th grade. I’m theory I should probably be around 6’3 or so with a bigger dick but unfortunately I got into drugs pretty young and played vidya all day. Could be worse I guess but I do get depressed at knowing I limited my genetic potential
Apart from a little tree climbing and walking down a creek sometimes, I wasn't that active. My dick is 7"+ and I'm 5'8". In pretty decent shape too but not as shredded as that kid.
breh you have much the same number of myonuclei from birth, and anyone at any age can induce hypertrophy in them. You could start in your 20s and do great. This kid is literally not even that big, he's just shredded from calisthenics and being a teenager
Better during puberty and the androgen surge. Roiding in your 20s is also better than later because you build more myonuclei which you retain for life.
quite the contrary, being massively overweight, makes every day life a weight bearing activity. the avg overweight person probably has more myonuclei than a a non-overweight person.
God damn, so look wise, average men are fricked. Well, it makes sense, since women go for the cream of the crop, an average man woman would date, would actually be a 7.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even if you have an average woman and are average yourself, if you're "too boring" she'll always be on the lookout for the next guy. Even if you're the stable, loyal guy, it's just your turn with these modern females who are showered with validation constantly due to social media.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then what can you do to combat this? Become a chad?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Find a woman in a small religious town who has never been on the internet. Or leave the west.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes. we have lots of info on how women behaves on dating apps and its crueal. they all trying to score way above thier own leagues. these space shape holding clothes, make up, hair bullshit, social media and filters inflated thier egos extremely high. add a gynocentric society which disciminates against men and treats women as special snowflakes and we have this modern catastrophe.
I know top 1% rich dudes that frick 1-2 different girls every day. Thousands of thousands of mid and above avg prostitutes in endless lines trying thier luck.
You gotta understand when women rate men's looks they are insanely cruel. The baseline is thor or henry cavill or prime jhonny depp. Even those dudes are ofteb only 9/10s...
Women simply rate every avg looking men as ugly. You can be the most avg looking 5/10 you will be rated as 2/10.
Even the most handsome dudes cant get a 10/10 from women.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then what does an 9/10, 10/10 woman frick? If even those guys who are 10/10 are not good enough?
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is a westoid problem. I have a cute 19 year old fiancee from outside the west.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What will happen when she moves here?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nothing, she will be my housewife and just raise my kids.
It's a shopping cart effect when they get on Tinder. They have 50 guys messaging them and their confidence goes insane. They only go for the 9s and 10s, the chads. The chads frick them and dump them, on to the next girl and the girls are wondering what the frick is wrong, since the 10/10 chad and her (5/10) were clearly looksmatched and career matched (with females being crippled in career due to the patriarchy). Meanwhile the 90% of men are struggling and begging for a crumb of puss.
I lifted for 1 year when I was 15 and I got really wide shoulders now. Kinda getting mad as I think about it now at my parents refusing to keep paying my gym membership back then. I did calisthenics for a bit but the gains were too slow so I quit and let myself go. I don’t even remember why they were such gains goblins, maybe cuz they were fat?
I think they read some facebook post saying working out is dangerous or something or bad for teens. I can’t believe I didn’t argue back and just complied, getting madder the more I think back.
Is it really over?
I was a sedentary loser until I started training recently. I'm also 19.
If it really is then if will have kids, I'll teach them to live healthy lifestyle.
We fat loser should have been bullied a lot more then we have already been, by adults too. Fricking sedentary lifestyle. It's our fault for being whiny fat small dick b***hes when we get older. I'll try and salvage what little testosterone I have left. You really opened my eyes, thanks.
I lifted for 1 year when I was 15 and I got really wide shoulders now. Kinda getting mad as I think about it now at my parents refusing to keep paying my gym membership back then. I did calisthenics for a bit but the gains were too slow so I quit and let myself go. I don’t even remember why they were such gains goblins, maybe cuz they were fat?
It's so unbeliavely stupid to stunt the growth of you kid. Because in most cases, if he is not active from a young age, until around 15, then he won't do physical activities at that age either. So it will just frick him up, because he doesn't have the required mindset to keep consistency, like what a teenager who trained in his childhood years.
Clearly didn’t happen since I’m 6’1 now. Fricking gains goblins I’d be so sick looking if I had money to pay for my gym back then. They were also stealing my student allowance and wouldn’t give it to me. Now that I think back they were so shitty, it’s not like we were poor, I had maybe 2 pairs of pants and I never got pocket money in my life and starving at school etc.
My boomer parents didnt let me lift weights becauss of this. I went away to school at 14 though and IMMEDIATELY learned how and used the campus gym daily. Was lucky because the seniors in my dorm (18 and 19 year olds) laughed when I told them.
are you guys fricking stupid or do you not realize the amount of gear this guy is on? i know most of you are underage, should be banned and primarily exist on social media, contributing to a long standing body dysmo issue but you don't really think this is attainable simply by lifting since 14 right?
Going to need to see more pics or video of him at different angles. This is likely pump+lighting+camera lens fraud. But if you've never been fat it's much easier to maintain a lean physique and still be muscular when you're young.
lighting only goes so far my man. there are very few 'natty' influencers, and why would they be? they get paid to pin and the legal consequences are mild.
Another thing is the fear of becoming an old maid with no husband and no children is completely eliminated for most women now. They can freeze their eggs, they can get sperm donation from a chad, they can "settle" for some boring chump and repeatedly cheat on him through online hookups because let's face it - he doesn't really deserve her (according to her).
Perhaps most disturbing of all, they can be a single mother from a bunch of one-night stands with 10/10s and try and guess who's baby it was later, then collect state benefits for life from this. The reason it's so disturbing is it's genuinely eliminating from existence the lower rated males who may end up with no children or legacy at all just because they are only average in looks and skills and maybe had some bad luck. And that's not even thinking about what the below average face, god forbid they might have some flaw.
Am I bigger boned and carry more muscle mass on me because of playing childhood sports? Was a fat little kid who played every sport and was a catcher in baseball. Lost the weight as a teen and as an adult I'm more solid than most people
most women dont care how big your dick is morons, stop agonizing over shit you cant change. you wouldnt want to be with a size queen anyway, and most of them happen to be troons or twinks.
Unfortunately that's not enough either. If you're boring and have 0 personality you'll have difficulty meeting any woman, and if you do they wont see you again. I figure it's one of those trinity things. You can have two but one will be lacking. If you're average size and can put the work into turning her on then you'll have no problems. Thankfully I'm fairly likeable and look like a model. Dick is average but aesthetic, fairly happy with my results. Have met several girls in the past few months that have never had orgasms from guys before, while giving them multiple every time we meet. Fisted one of them and we still fricked and she came ad nauseum afterwards, still felt good for both of us. Don't believe the israeli tricks bros, as long as you're not micro you can do fine.
So basically try to make her feel feminine and full of pleasure ( licking her, teasing her puss, telling her how much she turns you on etc) and not just rely on dick by pistoning like a machine.
But normally speaking, how can you not be boring? Like, how do you become a person people like to be with ( not necessary woman),
if a woman isnt really into you or the mood in general your dick size doesnt matter, she's not having fun regardless. It'll feel good but she's not cumming and her mind will wander.
How to be not boring? I dunno, I am decently educated on various topics despite never going to university. I have varied interests and hobbies, things I am good at and passionate about. With the appropriate company I can talk for literal days on end about anything in a meaningful capacity, while accpeting opposing views. Was actually a socially moronic NEET for a very long time, kinda just grew out of it after a failed relationship. I get along with pretty much anyone if I want to.
A few but nothing crazy. Currenly have a few fwbs. They are aware the others exist but have never met. I try to avoid talking about them to the others, especially details. I tell them ahead of time I do not want a relationship, however one has fallen in love with me. I am enjoying myself and do not wish to be vulnerable. She knows but hasn't been able to stop herself. I dont want to hurt her, she's great, but I warned her and have since.
I try to talk to women for a while before meeting so I can gauge their personality and get a bit more confirmation that they're not batshit insane and are less likely to have STDs. Basically just be honest and dont expect anything out of anyone else that you aren't willing to or are unable to provide.
Also I guess I'll immediately drop anyone who does hard drugs or indicates that they'll try in the near future. Past, one-off use is okay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damn man, nice.
How much would you rate yourself on 1-10 scale?
And how did you actually manage to spin so many girls? Like, do you basically just frick a girl once and then booty call her later when you are in the mood?
It seems this board has some good autists chads here. You really are an inspiration, and I hope to become a man who can post advice like this in the future.
I have a 14 year old son. What routine would be good so he becomes gigachad by early 20s? He can 85/145/170/185 (roughly) I have a home gym. Currently doing some bs brosplit I made up because I never thought he would stick with it.
Kinobody's greek god routine is good, or the shredded warrior routine of his (think it's called something gay like that). Just google those routine names + pdf and you can steal them. Three training days a week, 4 exercises. Easy to follow. Just feed him well and he'll be chad. I do this for my little brother and he's getting yoked.
Don't give up man, train more, harder, more consisent, and you'll get there. I promise you that.
Even if you won't get to that desired level, you''ll get closer to it. So do not give up under any circumstances.
Yeah it's unironically over if you were a sedentary teen. You have weaker bones, a smaller penis, and less built up myonuclei during your most resistance training sensitive years.
Is it really over?
I was a sedentary loser until I started training recently. I'm also 19.
If it really is then if will have kids, I'll teach them to live healthy lifestyle.
We fat loser should have been bullied a lot more then we have already been, by adults too. Fricking sedentary lifestyle. It's our fault for being whiny fat small dick b***hes when we get older. I'll try and salvage what little testosterone I have left. You really opened my eyes, thanks.
>If it really is then if will have kids, I'll teach them to live healthy lifestyle.
You should do that anyway. It is your duty.
>Is it really over?
No. I was a skinnyfat piece of shit for most of my life and started lifting in my early 20s, mires have become a daily thing. Don't pay any attention to demoralization.
Thanks a lot man, I'll keep consistent and hope I'll post a mire thread in the future myself. People like you are the reason many morons from here, including mysel, do not give up entirerly ( even though we shouldn't need constant reminders to continue our goals)
Happy to help brother, the proper dyel mindset is that you can only ever look bigger and become stronger if you remain true to your training.
Here, difference is 2.5 years.
God damn, looking pretty beefy in the second one. Nice transformation! keep up !
Thanks brother, no intention of stopping.
Hopes and dreams.
>Fist of the North Star
ok frick it I kneel
What did you inject though.
Are you stupid mate?
That body is a natty one, especially since he trained 2.5 years for it. If it would have 6 months or so, then yeah, very good genetics and steroids. But it's a natural transformation for those with at least bad to average genetics in timespan of 2.5 years.
The injections are called consistency and hard work.
Abs look painted on.
got any progress pics? I dont wanna be baited again
Just lift bro. You're still young.
Dude, literally search any youtube video or forums
18-20 years old skinny fat to loser transformation/progress, and you'll plenty.
Of course, your motivation shouldn't be those guys or self improve books or shit like that
Your motivation should come from your anger towards yourself, anger towards your weakness. Only then can you be consistent and become stronger and enter the right mindset.
It is over for the skeletal and penis gains that come from elevated testosterone and DHT during puberty. The fact that you're 19 means you could still salvage some penis though.
I'm a little moronic but do the penis gains come from the body fat loss and muscles gained? ( plus the testosterone increase)?
Or is there another reason?
Losing fat makes it look bigger, but yes I think a testosterone spike in your late teens would cause actual growth if it was stunted by low T from being fat.
God damn, these are the things that should be taught in Sex ED. Of course, for people like us, it should be given information, but for normal people, it's a subconscious reward after living healthy from a young age.
Also high bodyfat increases estrogen and inhibits testosterone
I lifted babyweights at home as a teen 15-18. But I started because a classmate called me big and I thought I'd capitalize on that. Didn't make much progress and I stopped. Now I'm 28 and I started lifting heavy again two years ago. I'm nothing impressive but I regularly get mired.
Focus on pushing yourself, lift and eat and you'll see it for yourself :^)
Thanks!
>Yeah it's unironically over if you were a sedentary teen. You have weaker bones, a smaller penis, and less built up myonuclei during your most resistance training sensitive years.
>pic rel average sedentary teen male
Shut the frick up you demoralizing troony. Being sedentary matters frick all, it's overwhelmingly genetics that determines it all.
Imagine taking no responsibility for yourself and blaming genetics then calling me the demoralizer. Frick you. People DO have control of their own destiny. Crabs in a bucket mentality.
What you can ultimately do really does come down to genetics.
>muh you were sedentary as a teen (90% of posters here) so don't even bother now bro you fricked up forever even though your previous lifestyle had at best minimal impact
Black person it's so transparent what you're going for
No it's overwhelmingly genetics, most people have fine genetics in all likelihood so they shouldn't care at al about any of this.
Also no you moron mouthbreathing doesn't cause being a chinlet, that's mewing cope. Facial features are overwhelmingly hereditary as is pretty much everything else, environment matters very little unless you're malnourished or some shit. Muh "if I'd worked out as a teen I would be 6'3" or "if I'd powerlifted as a 14yo my dick would be 2" longer", like that moron seems to imply, mindset is just sour grapes and it's not even true in the slightest.
>>muh you were sedentary as a teen (90% of posters here) so don't even bother now bro you fricked up forever even though your previous lifestyle had at best minimal impact
>Black person it's so transparent what you're going for
By "it's over" I mean you can't take it back, obviously I don't think people should give up. Shaming people like this means they won't do it to their kids.
Okay, I agree. I personally wouldn't let my kid play vidya all day as well while drinking and eating goyslop, but that's really not gonna do that much. It'll be like a 10% improvement at most if he leads a perfect lifestyle as a teen. The rest is genetics. Just look at twins who look identical (and have similar IQs and personalities) despite one twin mouthbreathing a bit more, eating a bit different, etc. or leading different lifestyles.
There is a measurable impact on stature and dick size from being fat and low test/high estrogen though. Not sure why you're denying one of the more straight forward things.
Even if there is supposedly one, it pales in comparison to what hormones your body naturally produces and what ratio comes out of it, regardless. Also, you can be low test/high estrogen, but how much does being fat in that equation matter or does that ratio itself caused a higher bf percentage to begin with.
Fat produces more estrogen. Just search it.
I never even disputed that fat cells cause more aromatization, you're just repeating yourself
>I personally wouldn't let my kid play vidya all day as well while drinking and eating goyslop, but that's really not gonna do that much.
And most importantly people are often getting cause and effect wrong. Is a kid sedentary and reclusive because he was weak, etc. or did the lifestyle cause it? It's probably the former. So basically, it all matters frick all.
Not really you braindead moron.
The human body adapts from childhood-teenage years to the lifestyle you are living.
So if most of the time, from age 8 to 16 you stay on a fricking chair, your body will adapt for that. You'll get bad back posture, your center of gravity will fall hard on your gut and you'll get bigger hip bones because of that. If you are also a mouthbreather, you'll become a chinlet. So shut up with this genetics crap. Yeah they a play a role in your limit and starting point, but lifestyle choices are more important.
>How dare you criticize my pseudo-scientific religion of fatalism & genetic determinism you fricking demoralizing troony?!! *sobs*
>nooo I ate 1 onions bean as a teen that's why I have a 4" penis and I'm 5'1!!! It's so overrrr 🙁
Low IQ and basically, just kys. What that anon argued is literally environmental determinism.
>noooo I was genetically predetermined to be a 5'4 with 6 inch wrists and start balding at 20 even though my grandfathers on both sides were over 6 foot and brick-jawed it's my genetics!! Stop demoralizing me!! Everything is predermined!! There is nothing you can do in life to make any change! STOP DEMORALIZING ME!!! *sobs*
>There is nothing you can do in life to make any change!
The argument is literally that you cannot change the shit you did as a teen and that Black person said "it's over" you dumb moron. Sorry, it's still all genetics and you're coping, look at twin studies for a change. How often you played vidya as a teen does not matter in the big picture.
>It's because of my genetics that I'm a recessed subhuman!! (even though none of my ancestors were recessed like me) Nothing is influenced by environment!! Reality isn't cause and effect!! (even though all evidence ever points to it being cause and effect) Everything is predermined by a divine entity! ONCE AND FOR ALL: STOP DEMORALIZING ME!!! *sobs*
>t. blames eating onions sauce once as a teen for his micropenis, being obese (despite obesity itself being heritable) for his lack of a jaw, and doesn't lift because he missed muh critical period, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary and the existence of twins
>if I mewed as a kid I would have a jawline now (even though mouthbreathing is more of an effect of having an undeveloped jaw, not the cause)!!
funny i was fat and still mouthbreathe but have an amazing jawline and prominent chin. think a big part of it is food. saw a study of indian families who immigrated to the US and kids developed recessed chins and narrow jawlines cuz of soft american food. makes sense cuz my mom was always an awful cook and would sear the life out of any meat she prepared.
Here's the deal little man: I don't suffer from any of the ailments that you do, because I didn't sit around all day playing vidya and stuffing my recessed face with doritos. That's you. And it's easier for you to cope with your failed single life offered to you on this earth by blaming your genetics. But fact of the matter is; things could have been better, you could have been better. But you aren't. And it was not predermined by some divine entity to punish you. You did this, to yourself. Sucks to suck
Nice LARP homosexual. Stop assuming things and especially stop reading broscience, you moron.
You guys know that wrist size is genetically predetermined and all bone growth magically ceases the moment you turn 18 right?
Woops
Genetic-determinsmbros....
-scientific religion of fatalism & genetic determinism
Why did I even take this bait, holy shit what a moron.
it isnt really over, but its more difficult, thats true.
I was a sedentary teen. I'm 6'1, have 6"5 dick and my dexa scans show a very high bone density and weight (likely due to supplements tho).
Same. I was completely sedentary, ate like shit, and my dick is 7" while I'm 5'11 with a 5'1 mom and 5'10 dad. Also 18" biacromial so I don't think it mattered.
I'm 5'3 and my dick is 7.5'' and I think it looks small lol, yours probably looks like a baby dick
>played games my whole teenage years
>still 7.5 x 5.4
Are you telling me I would have been a dongoloid
Were you skinny while playing games? Skinny dudes usually end up tall with big dicks since low fat = high testosterone as long as you get protein in. I was one of them. I drank a lot of milk and sometimes did some pushups/pull ups and situps.
6'3" 7.75x6"
Actually skinny dudes have low testosterone and that's the reason why they grow so tall you moron. Testosterone causes your growth plates to close.
Wrong it's actually estrogen. Higher testosterone and aromatization (due to fat) would cause your growth plates to close more quickly because of the excess estrogen. Being lean would decrease aromatization because of increased DHT (which is an aromatase inhibitor) during puberty. Being an active fat kid would make you shorter but denser and come out of growth quicker, sedentary fat limits you all around.
>Being lean would decrease aromatization because of increased DHT (which is an aromatase inhibitor) during puberty.
I highly doubt that is significant since DHT is what causes facial hair, and the guys that develop a lot of facial hair early also stop growing early. It's lower testosterone - when guys have very low testosterone they grow to be giants.
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Frick off with youtube links, if you can't debate me with what you know forget it. I think we are done here anyway.
You're just wrong. DHT is responsible for dick growth by the way. Being fat during puberty speeds up puberty so it ends quicker, being fat during puberty decreases testosterone by as much as 40%, being fat also decreases growth hormone which is responsible for height. There, the cliff notes of the video.
>DHT (which is an aromatase inhibitor)
Holy moron DHT is not an inhibitor. The word you're looking for is agonist. You have no clue what you're talking about, stop posting youtube links.
Yet you have no idea being fat reduces your testosterone and GH during puberty. You can't be saved. Watch more
I'm not that anon, I'm aware of that you fricking moron. It's not anywhere near 40%. Frick off with this yt broscience.
>yt broscience!!!!
>Literally just reads the studies
IDK if DHT is an inhibitor of aromatase but it does reduce estrogen which is why DHT and DHT-based AAS are used for competition prep and shows... they make you look "dried out" by reducing estrogen and the attendant subcutaneous water it makes you hold. At any rate, DHT is most certainly is NOT an agonist... frankly I think it's actually you who don't know these terms or the biology, because aromatase as an enzyme is not a receptor that gets "agonized" or "antagonized". When it comes to enzymes, something is either a substrate or a product (something that gets acted on by the enzyme, or whatever results from the enzyme's action with the substrate)
Yeah I was super underweight the majority of my childhood. I was already 7 inches and 5’11 in the 7th grade. I’m theory I should probably be around 6’3 or so with a bigger dick but unfortunately I got into drugs pretty young and played vidya all day. Could be worse I guess but I do get depressed at knowing I limited my genetic potential
Apart from a little tree climbing and walking down a creek sometimes, I wasn't that active. My dick is 7"+ and I'm 5'8". In pretty decent shape too but not as shredded as that kid.
breh you have much the same number of myonuclei from birth, and anyone at any age can induce hypertrophy in them. You could start in your 20s and do great. This kid is literally not even that big, he's just shredded from calisthenics and being a teenager
Better during puberty and the androgen surge. Roiding in your 20s is also better than later because you build more myonuclei which you retain for life.
quite the contrary, being massively overweight, makes every day life a weight bearing activity. the avg overweight person probably has more myonuclei than a a non-overweight person.
My dad had me doing bodyweight workouts from age 5.
My dick steadily grew bigger now it's 10 x 7 inches
life do be hard doe fr fr
>puts shirt on
He's not a dyel.
>wears non skin tight clothes
In that case yeah, he looks a little dyel. But it's way better than looking like a bloated fricker.
needs to take the neckpill asap
lets see your baggy shirt physique then champ??
Why would you not wear form fitting clothes to accentuate your silhouette, unless anon.....you're fat?
Gayface, rip
he looks 5'9 or lil less
he has chud incel face
maybe age will give him charm but he looks meh
body is nice tho
No way his face is ugly, he is at worst a 5/10.
yeah and 5/10 is almost the same as 2/10 for the general female population.
You gotta be atleast 6/10 but preferably 7/10 to start showing up on the radar of vaginoids.
God damn, so look wise, average men are fricked. Well, it makes sense, since women go for the cream of the crop, an average man woman would date, would actually be a 7.
Even if you have an average woman and are average yourself, if you're "too boring" she'll always be on the lookout for the next guy. Even if you're the stable, loyal guy, it's just your turn with these modern females who are showered with validation constantly due to social media.
Then what can you do to combat this? Become a chad?
Find a woman in a small religious town who has never been on the internet. Or leave the west.
yes. we have lots of info on how women behaves on dating apps and its crueal. they all trying to score way above thier own leagues. these space shape holding clothes, make up, hair bullshit, social media and filters inflated thier egos extremely high. add a gynocentric society which disciminates against men and treats women as special snowflakes and we have this modern catastrophe.
I know top 1% rich dudes that frick 1-2 different girls every day. Thousands of thousands of mid and above avg prostitutes in endless lines trying thier luck.
You gotta understand when women rate men's looks they are insanely cruel. The baseline is thor or henry cavill or prime jhonny depp. Even those dudes are ofteb only 9/10s...
Women simply rate every avg looking men as ugly. You can be the most avg looking 5/10 you will be rated as 2/10.
Even the most handsome dudes cant get a 10/10 from women.
Then what does an 9/10, 10/10 woman frick? If even those guys who are 10/10 are not good enough?
This is a westoid problem. I have a cute 19 year old fiancee from outside the west.
What will happen when she moves here?
Nothing, she will be my housewife and just raise my kids.
It's a shopping cart effect when they get on Tinder. They have 50 guys messaging them and their confidence goes insane. They only go for the 9s and 10s, the chads. The chads frick them and dump them, on to the next girl and the girls are wondering what the frick is wrong, since the 10/10 chad and her (5/10) were clearly looksmatched and career matched (with females being crippled in career due to the patriarchy). Meanwhile the 90% of men are struggling and begging for a crumb of puss.
Kys blackpilled incel
I lifted for 1 year when I was 15 and I got really wide shoulders now. Kinda getting mad as I think about it now at my parents refusing to keep paying my gym membership back then. I did calisthenics for a bit but the gains were too slow so I quit and let myself go. I don’t even remember why they were such gains goblins, maybe cuz they were fat?
I think they read some facebook post saying working out is dangerous or something or bad for teens. I can’t believe I didn’t argue back and just complied, getting madder the more I think back.
I used to hear it would stunt my growth
Gg
It's so unbeliavely stupid to stunt the growth of you kid. Because in most cases, if he is not active from a young age, until around 15, then he won't do physical activities at that age either. So it will just frick him up, because he doesn't have the required mindset to keep consistency, like what a teenager who trained in his childhood years.
I never did any sports and I'm 6'1
People regularly compliment my physique
Clearly didn’t happen since I’m 6’1 now. Fricking gains goblins I’d be so sick looking if I had money to pay for my gym back then. They were also stealing my student allowance and wouldn’t give it to me. Now that I think back they were so shitty, it’s not like we were poor, I had maybe 2 pairs of pants and I never got pocket money in my life and starving at school etc.
My boomer parents didnt let me lift weights becauss of this. I went away to school at 14 though and IMMEDIATELY learned how and used the campus gym daily. Was lucky because the seniors in my dorm (18 and 19 year olds) laughed when I told them.
But what is his chess.com rating, eh? eh?
I’m gonna tell y’all a poem this homie didn’t read then follow that hot shit with a fun fact I memorised
>Short
>Genetics
why don't you ask to suck his wiener, OP?
Seems like you're crushing pretty hard.
You can roid at any age, there is nothing impressive. Stop shilling yourself homosexual. You're dime a dozen.
The kid is against steroids, I just admired his transformation and physique, so stop being a moron and frick off to LULZ.
i'm not reading this whole thread, but for whoever needs to hear this, it's never over, you're never too late
Holy BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASED
are you guys fricking stupid or do you not realize the amount of gear this guy is on? i know most of you are underage, should be banned and primarily exist on social media, contributing to a long standing body dysmo issue but you don't really think this is attainable simply by lifting since 14 right?
Going to need to see more pics or video of him at different angles. This is likely pump+lighting+camera lens fraud. But if you've never been fat it's much easier to maintain a lean physique and still be muscular when you're young.
Pic when he was 18, 1 year ago
lighting only goes so far my man. there are very few 'natty' influencers, and why would they be? they get paid to pin and the legal consequences are mild.
Another thing is the fear of becoming an old maid with no husband and no children is completely eliminated for most women now. They can freeze their eggs, they can get sperm donation from a chad, they can "settle" for some boring chump and repeatedly cheat on him through online hookups because let's face it - he doesn't really deserve her (according to her).
Perhaps most disturbing of all, they can be a single mother from a bunch of one-night stands with 10/10s and try and guess who's baby it was later, then collect state benefits for life from this. The reason it's so disturbing is it's genuinely eliminating from existence the lower rated males who may end up with no children or legacy at all just because they are only average in looks and skills and maybe had some bad luck. And that's not even thinking about what the below average face, god forbid they might have some flaw.
Am I bigger boned and carry more muscle mass on me because of playing childhood sports? Was a fat little kid who played every sport and was a catcher in baseball. Lost the weight as a teen and as an adult I'm more solid than most people
kidney failure at 30
I'd hit it.
most women dont care how big your dick is morons, stop agonizing over shit you cant change. you wouldnt want to be with a size queen anyway, and most of them happen to be troons or twinks.
You are right, before worrying about dick size, they should worry to be attractive first.
Unfortunately that's not enough either. If you're boring and have 0 personality you'll have difficulty meeting any woman, and if you do they wont see you again. I figure it's one of those trinity things. You can have two but one will be lacking. If you're average size and can put the work into turning her on then you'll have no problems. Thankfully I'm fairly likeable and look like a model. Dick is average but aesthetic, fairly happy with my results. Have met several girls in the past few months that have never had orgasms from guys before, while giving them multiple every time we meet. Fisted one of them and we still fricked and she came ad nauseum afterwards, still felt good for both of us. Don't believe the israeli tricks bros, as long as you're not micro you can do fine.
So basically try to make her feel feminine and full of pleasure ( licking her, teasing her puss, telling her how much she turns you on etc) and not just rely on dick by pistoning like a machine.
But normally speaking, how can you not be boring? Like, how do you become a person people like to be with ( not necessary woman),
if a woman isnt really into you or the mood in general your dick size doesnt matter, she's not having fun regardless. It'll feel good but she's not cumming and her mind will wander.
How to be not boring? I dunno, I am decently educated on various topics despite never going to university. I have varied interests and hobbies, things I am good at and passionate about. With the appropriate company I can talk for literal days on end about anything in a meaningful capacity, while accpeting opposing views. Was actually a socially moronic NEET for a very long time, kinda just grew out of it after a failed relationship. I get along with pretty much anyone if I want to.
Do you have some principles you live by?
A few but nothing crazy. Currenly have a few fwbs. They are aware the others exist but have never met. I try to avoid talking about them to the others, especially details. I tell them ahead of time I do not want a relationship, however one has fallen in love with me. I am enjoying myself and do not wish to be vulnerable. She knows but hasn't been able to stop herself. I dont want to hurt her, she's great, but I warned her and have since.
I try to talk to women for a while before meeting so I can gauge their personality and get a bit more confirmation that they're not batshit insane and are less likely to have STDs. Basically just be honest and dont expect anything out of anyone else that you aren't willing to or are unable to provide.
Also I guess I'll immediately drop anyone who does hard drugs or indicates that they'll try in the near future. Past, one-off use is okay.
Damn man, nice.
How much would you rate yourself on 1-10 scale?
And how did you actually manage to spin so many girls? Like, do you basically just frick a girl once and then booty call her later when you are in the mood?
It seems this board has some good autists chads here. You really are an inspiration, and I hope to become a man who can post advice like this in the future.
Should still be tall.
If you are taller than 5'7, then you should be fine.
Otherwise yeah, you'll have a though life with girls that prefer tall guys.
I have a 14 year old son. What routine would be good so he becomes gigachad by early 20s? He can 85/145/170/185 (roughly) I have a home gym. Currently doing some bs brosplit I made up because I never thought he would stick with it.
Kinobody's greek god routine is good, or the shredded warrior routine of his (think it's called something gay like that). Just google those routine names + pdf and you can steal them. Three training days a week, 4 exercises. Easy to follow. Just feed him well and he'll be chad. I do this for my little brother and he's getting yoked.
Same age. Started at the same age as him.
Still not at his level. About to kill myself.
Don't give up man, train more, harder, more consisent, and you'll get there. I promise you that.
Even if you won't get to that desired level, you''ll get closer to it. So do not give up under any circumstances.
Thanks man
Isn't that tony saik? Met him at a calosthenics park once, really cool guy.