which is roughly equivalent to an ffmi of 22. mind you it requires 5 years to a decade to achieve this. anybody who claims to have surpassed this benchmark naturally usually is a delusional lardass sack of shit at 30% bf instead of 12%
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digits and OP gets vored by boogie
it's over op
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so that's how he steals our gains
rip in peace OP
>natty limit
>limit
this is why you're NGMI
theres always a limit.
You can make gainz forever but youll never reach the limit let alone surpass it. natty muscle mass converges to said limit.
>Height - 100
5 years toa chieve maybe, natty limit? no but close
>natty limit? no but close
absolutely.
only achievable in 5 years if everything is perfect
No it isn't. Natural limit is 25 FFMI
>Natural limit is 25 FFMI
said who? a random homosexual who measured bodyfat with his wiener.
No natty ever actually had an ffmi of 25. Black folk who do claim to to be at 25 ffmi
>are on roids
>are wrong about their BF (99% of the time)
>are bloated with a shitton of water weight
My formula is much closer to reality.
Yup that seems about right. Anyone who claims to be above this and look better than pic rel is just straight up mentally ill.
>more photo retouching than any instathot
pretty gay of you
>173cm
>75kg at 18% bf = 61.5 kg ffm
>73kg at 12% = 64.24 kg ffm
So according to OP after less than a year of lifting I have <3 kg of muscle left to gain. Meanwhile science says an average lifter gains ~10 kg in their first two years.
>one year of lifting
>claims to be at 12% bf
whats more likely that the newbie dyel is delusional/incompetent, doesnt know what hes talking bout and actually much fatter than he claims or that he already achieved his natty limit?
>replies
>can't read
>Meanwhile science says an average lifter gains ~10 kg in their first two years.
What kind of moronation is that? It means nothing. I gained a total of...8kg in roughly 15 years of lifting.
>187lbs natty limit at 6'1
This isn't even in the right ballpark of the natty limit
t. 190lbs 12% 6'1 natty who doesn't even care about gaining mass
>190lbs 12% 6'1
post body
you didnt actually refute OP. you confirm it. minor deviations are to be expected
<200lbs = victim weight
Bullshit.
I’m 5’8 at 187lbs and 16%bf at the moment. Losing 4% of my body weight would leave me around 179lbs at 12% body fat.
This equation claims my natty limit is like 153lbs which is fricking stupid. I was a skeleton in highschool at that weight.
>I’m 5’8 at 187lbs and 16%bf
post body.
i guarantee you wont
This is kinda stupid. 1cm of height isn't worth 1kg of muscle. I'm 188cm & 88kg quite lean is convincingly beating out 180cm 80kg quite lean. Without even talking about whether FFMI of 22 is appropriate, not even getting into that, the whole 1cm = 1kg thing is garbage
This natty limit is 5% bodyfat, so yes its very reasonable
I'm 171cm so 171lb at 5% bodyfat for my height would look insanely muscular.
what limit. body weight in kilos?
Explain Jeff Nippard then
Wow bodybuilder and a couch.
Comfy
>These measurements prove that he is short in height
Brutal
equation doesnt work with manlets
Jeff nippard has absolutely used gear. It’s hard to reconcile it with him seeming so nice but he has absolutely used at some point
>5’5
he’s 5’3, AT BEST. He’s probably closer to 5’2
>Be me
>Midget, fully grown 100cm tall man
>My natty limit is 0kg
How do I achieve this bros??
>be exactly 3 ft tall
>natty limit is -18.87 lbs
>float out into space
>a formula that you pulled out of your ass
I'm convinced OP. It has indeed never been more over
>Its only real if a hecking ~~*sCiEnCe™*~~ homosexual pulls a formula out his ass!
Imagine being such a troony Black personhomosexual holy shit. Leave this board and never come back
Lol, frick no, your number is way too low.
its 100% accurate. only fat sacks of shit would disagree
You dumb Black person. You feeble little israelite.
Bro, just because you can't get bigger doesn't mean no one can.
The limit is different for everyone
I love that this skinnyfat OP is still pushing his 12% bodyfat meme when he's still never posted his body
>ffmi of 22
why is it so fricking low tho?
my ffmi is 26 or so, natty
then again, im at like 23% bodyfat
>>my ffmi is 26 or so, natty
>then again, im at like 23% bodyfat
meds
Brother, you are confusing it with BMI
Don't listen to this fricking moron. I was skinny for too long because of bullshit like this.
So you were skinny and now youre fat and deluded yourself of being shredded.
gotcha.
at 12% bf i am 3kg above your natty limit. As a natty. lol, lmao even, i am a god! A GOD!
Apparently I'm at the natty limit when my lifts are 0.6/2/2/3.5.
lol
6’1 can look amazing at 160 lbs so who cares, imagine lifting for strength lmao
This sounds fairly realistic actually
I'm 177cm, and weigh 84kg. Currently overhead pressing 1pl8 for 6 reps, benching 2pl8 for 8. But I'm kinda fat right now (probably around 20% bf), I can see how 77kg would be my limit when actually shredded
Bro this is me 'at my natty limit' same height as you weighing 77kg.
If I'm at my limit goddamn it's so over
You look good bro, unironically better than 90% of gym goers. With proper pump, lighting and angle frauding you could look a lot better too
I wouldn't say you're at your limit though, you're lean but not 12% bf lean. There's room so swap out a few extra kilos for muscle there. Close to the limit but not quite
You really do look great though, I think you have body dysmorphia lol
Thanks dude haha I just feel like there's a lot more room on me for muscle but appreciate the words - let's stop now before it gets too gay in here lmao
You actually look good bro. Don’t stop improving man.
Seeing all the roiders and social media frauds can frick you up mentally
This exactly what I meant with
>anybody who claims to have surpassed this benchmark naturally usually is a delusional lardass sack of shit at 30% bf instead of 12%.
You're at ≈20% bodyfat.
IM SICK AND TIRED OF SELF REPORTED BF & FFMI.
He’s not at 20% bf, don’t give the poor guy a bigger complex than he already has you homosexual butthole
Im not. Im not denying that he looks good either. He really is at around 20% bodyfat. All you dumbfricks just dont know what 12% bodyfat actually looks like and thats why so many deluded fitcels claim to be at an ffmi of 25 with 90kilo and shredded.
You cant even see his abs properly yet. 12% and below is when you can see clear definition between your abs and even obliques when you flex them.
>he’s around 20% bf
Some people just don’t show abs unless extremely lean. You’re a bunch of roid troony homosexuals
Jean Claude was lean af, he had to cut to like sub 8% to really have popping abs tho
This is him at like sub 5% bf. Like I said, some people just don’t show abs well.
Roid trannies and body dysmorphia will try to cope for some reason though even though this is fact.
>5%
That is not 5%!
PICREL IS 5%.
5% IS SUPERHUMAN where you can the muscles in your fricking butthole.
Youre just a fat moron. This has nothing to do with roids (even though van damme probably roided too)
In your first two pics he wasnt at 12%. That is the truth
>roid troony coping
Of course a roided out monster is going to look different at sub 5% than an 80s coke head martial artist. You have such a serious case of dysmorphia it’s unreal. It’s fine that you want to hurt yourself but you shouldn’t be trying to drag other anons down with you
>trying to drag other anons down with you
Im not trying to drag anybody down. Im just educating you on what bodyfat percentages actually look like so that you stop lying to yourselves and everybody else regarding you FFMI and natty limits.
Person A is on roids Person B isnt.
Both have same weight and same bodyfat percentage.
B is on roids tho.
B will not look more shredded than A.
its just easier for B to cut down even more and go down to 5% bodyfat because hes roided..
Not everyone shows definition as well, sorry, but that’s a fact.
You’re telling me that Arnie on the right is over 12% bf because his abs aren’t popping out? Gtfo stupid gay
right unflexed, photo retouching, bad lighting probably bad camera too since its old.
On the left you can clearly see his abs popping out when he flexes them. You can see the muscle fibers in his chest, arms and shoulders. In picrel you can se oblique definition. Yes he definitely was sub 12% in those pics. Hes at around the same bf here as van damme in the third pic you posted of him. around 8 to 10%.
How you can not see the clear difference to the other Van damme pics and the ones you posted of The Rock is beyond me.
My point remains.
>Natty Limit = Height in cm - 100
Fricking moron, go look at a few DEXA scans on natty bodybuilders cause you overestimate body fat like a dumb frick.
you're delusional
I'm at 16% myself with full ab definition and sometimes guys who claim to be 12% post body and I'm leaner than them kek, you're probably one of them
Post body
10% bodyfat
15-16% bodyfat
your percentages are all wrong, hence why you underestimate bf% and overestimate lean body mass
>Lean af
you must be blind or american
>Some people just don’t show abs unless extremely lean.
Stupid excuse. Also you have to train abs like every other muscle as well. Van damme in your pics wasnt 12%.
for refernce this neega is at around 10 to 12% and still has 8kilos (17lbs) to his natty limit assuming the pic is him at 77kg
>he wasn’t 12%
Oh frick off you trolling homosexual
I also think 20 is a high estimate but the point obviously stands. anon has no sixpack despite clearly flexing his abs. he is nowhere near the kind of definition we mean when we talk about "natty limit weight".
Some people don’t show abs very well above 10% bf
Pic in point
>inb4 the rock was fat
Don’t worry, I’ll post Jean Claude Van Damme below to address your coping, and that guy was lean af
these shots are both 15%+
with the rock you see the soft pecs, the lack of any definition on the arms despite flexing, he's probably 16-18% here. van damme's situation is similar. zero definition in his bis/tris while flexing. he's even holding his arms at angles that create good contrast with the sun light, still nothing. even if we assume he just holds more fat in his belly, the arms are too soft to be under 15% total.
>sub 5%
try 8%. all your estimates are too low.
Here is the rock cut for bay watch, he was definitely under 10% bf, casting would have made damn sure he cut for the role.
Abs still aren’t popping.
Some people just don’t show abs well, I don’t know why this upsets you so much.
he is not even under 12% here.
This is why 15%bf is the ideal walk around body fat. You get the benefits of being big with still being able to just flex your abs and show them.
should unironically be
Height - 100 + wiener length = natty limit
This is more realistic
>6'1 =185cm
> wiener length = 15cm
=> Natty limit = 185 + 15 - 100 = 100kg = 220lbs
NOBODY who isnt on roids can achieve 220lbs lean unless theyre 2m (6'6) tall at least.
If you weight 220lbs and you're natty you're fat.
wiener in inches
175-100+6=81kg
This was me dry as frick at the end of my cut at 81kg 10% 5'9"
There is still room for more muscle so even this method underestimates
need to see the scale. this is at 12% or below but I doubt the 81kg at 175cm. more like 77kg. probably broken scale or taller.
you may be a little above the natty limit in my formula ok, its a rule of thumb admittedly, but for most people it works.
or you have done roids before
I’d say that’s roughly correct, but slightly off. I’m 13% bf at 193ish, according to your calculation I should be 10 lbs lighter at around 183lbs, but I have cut to the before for fights and know that is incorrect.
You’re ball park imo tho.
My current goal for this summer is is 6' 180 lbs 12%bf, i was 14.9% 178lbs at the end of 2023, am i gonna make it natty ?
I think it also depends on your frame and ability to put on mass. I used to be 60kg at 185cm and leanbulked up to 77kg which seems like my natural weight since it doesnt fluctuate much even when I'm trying to bulk eating 3400-3800kcal a day.
This is so moronic. I'm 168 cm manlet, according to this I should be 68 kg but I am 75kg of muscles.
you are not 12% bodyfat. lots of guys who have washed out abs (i.e. are at 20% bodyfat) claim to be 12% these days
nice b8 OP
My natty limit is 604 lbs
>90kg
Bruh, I look anorexic at 90kg with my frame.
t. 40% bodyfat who will never have abs
Are you lost? /fph/ is over there, kind sir.
=>
isn't this the inaccurate(but quick to do) formula for ideal body weight
doesn't check out. for a sedentary man at 185cm 85kg are chubby. not unhealthy, but definitely not ideal.
>no account for shoulder width
>no accounting for wrist thickness
>no accounting for ankle thickness
>no account for muscle attachments
Now guess how I know this trash doesn't work.
Simplicity is Beauty
>177cm
>170 lb limit
Good thing I have no idea what "natty" means.
170lbs is pretty jacked at that height, assuming it's actually good weight and you're not a fatass above 20% bf.
I still need to figure out how to measure that without calipers.