if you see anybody who is bigger than this or with a similar physique you can be sure with great certainty that person isnt natty
this is the the 99.9%ile
if you see anybody who is bigger than this or with a similar physique you can be sure with great certainty that person isnt natty
more or less
More or less, with some variance dependant upon proportions that may give illusion of being larger or more developed in certain areas.
Plenty of people roid for far smaller than that. Consider that the avg rate of lean muscle growth for a natty is about 0.25lb per week. If someone starts at 5'10'' 130lbs lean, and lifts for 3 years straight, they will end up at about 170lbs. Which would look like picrel.
scott herman always claims hes natty but im not so sure about that. maybe he experimented a few times here and there. anyways i dont think thats achievable in three years. i started at 130lb as well at 6'1 and it took me more time ( tho i wasnt eating right and working out consistently enough tbh)
>tho i wasnt eating right and working out consistently enough tbh
then that means your anecdote is fucking pointless
nah cause nobody works out and eats right consistently for 3+ years
working out consistently is easy, especially if you're an asocial autist
cutting sucks though
You're right that the figure I calculated was a best case scenario of perfect training/diet, no injuries, and no vacations. More realistically it'd take you like 5 years.
i think scott is natural, his body has barely changed since he started his youtube channel like 10+ years ago. so either hes smart enough to not overdo it with drugs or hes natural
for reference this is 17 year old Reeves with 3 years of training under his belt
He's a bodybuilder, so almost certainly not natty.
lmao 100% natty attainable
I bet his arms are only 16 inches
I had 15 inch arms after 2 years at 12% bf
sleeve was just blessed with width
>after 2 years
Starting from what height/weight?
6'4 250lbs 27% body fat
Dropped down to 188lbs
So you already had one skinnyfit guy (182lbs) worth of muscle on you to begin with.
being black isnt natty
lookin shredded tho
He was around before steroids were used in bodybuilding
Steroids were used far before him.
>implying steroids haven't been around since forever
What you really thought Milo of Croton was natty? Gimme a break.
Do you really think a teenager in the early 40s could get his hand on test?
>if they look better than me they must be roiding
>why should I work hard to get the body I want? It just isn’t fair, they must be roiding
Nice limiting mindsets /fit, keep coping and I’m sure eventually you’ll find some semblance of self satisfaction
how is it limiting? its empowering if youre aware that most ppl who look better than you used roidshit.
its empowering to know ppl fuck up their hormones to achieve what you did naturally.
another doomer "everything good is impossible post", great
>obligatory
that guy was also short
You reckon Reeves was actually 6'1"? Wouldn't surprise me if he was 5'11" at the most
Reg Park too
Was Reeves even natty tho?