This is what 4 years of natural, intermediate level bodybuilding in a bulked state (88kg) with no pump, no filters, and no down lighting looks like

This is what 4 years of natural, intermediate level bodybuilding in a bulked state (88kg) with no pump, no filters, and no down lighting looks like

Max bench: 105kg
Max OHP: 70kg
Max squat: 140kg
Max deadlift: 180kg

Is bodybuilding without gear even worth it?

Ape Out, Gorilla Mindset Shirt $21.68

Rise, Grind, Banana Find Shirt $21.68

Ape Out, Gorilla Mindset Shirt $21.68

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    try doing cardio bro. It helps a frickton gets your blood pumping to help aid your muscles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I do plenty of cardio, but definitely more during non-bulk periods. I live in a city so I walk an average of 5-7 miles per day, I don't drive. Occasionally I do high intensity cardio such as sprinting but it reaults in more fatigue and worse workout performance. Occasionally I also do long distance stuff, and that just eats straight through muscle mass.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you shouldnt really lose muscle unless you simply dont get enough protein no matter how long you walk. also you dont even look particularly bad your body fat could be lower and your numbers could be higher sure buts its tough to know your genetic potential just keep it up man.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not walking - low intensity cardio won't cause muscle loss.

          However I had phases of long distance running (10km+) and that will absolutely cause muscle loss, especially in the upper body, no matter your protein intake. The body will literally eat up muscle, not fat, during the runs.

          Of course if you train hard you can still keep plenty of muscle, but as a runner the best physique you can hope for is David Goggins

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I do plenty of cardio
        >I walk

        lmao

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Walking up to 7 miles a day is cardio. It's low intensity, sure, but still less sedentary than 99% of the US for example, including people who go to the gym

          It's like saying rucking or marching isn't cardio if you aren't running the whole time.

          Running, any form of long but high intensity cardio, leads to muscle loss and is the opppsite of what a bodybuiler should be doing. Sprints or HIIT is fine, but it is intense to the point that it'll damage other muscle building workouts, for example you can't do 1x10 100m sprints at 100% intensity and then expect to workout normally for the rest of the day.

          Unless of course you aren't natty, and I think at this point it's fair to say less people are lifetime natties than non-nattoes in the gym/bodybuilding sphere

          In fact - merely dating steroids WITHOUT working out will cause more muscle growth than working out with a high baseline test, perfect nutrition, hydratoon, and sleep but natty

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also - the mechanisms at which this works are not completely understood yet.

            But essentially, your body will choose to burn muscle over fat in certain situations (such as a marathon run) - this is because muscle is not necessary for running, it's heavy, and gives a frickton of energy when burned by the body (see: marathon runner phyisque, world record holders).

            Meanwhile, fat is good for insulation so it's more helpful to have on your body than muscle is when it comes to running. It's why most people who don't do any muscle training, but run often, are skinnyfat

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >less sedentary than 99% of the US for example
            The nation is so sedentary and gets so little exercise that this statement is fairly meaningless. Stop comparing yourself to lifeless blobs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Moron

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >4 years for those stats
    Crearly you're not lifting hard enough those are numbers you should hit in 6 months

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its impressive if hes 5 4

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No that’s the other way around, a taller dude has longer levers, meaning they need to create more Newtons (actual force) to lift the same weight than a short dude with shorter levers.

        Manlet strength is a real thing

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Idk. You think a manlet can achieve strongmen numbers? Press x to doubt

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That’s because the manlet room for growth will be limited at some point, a short body can’t put on as much muscle as a tall body, that’s pure logic.

            But for the numbers OP is referring (not extraordinary numbers btw) a manlet will reach them before a lanklet because of what i explained

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It really depends on the lift and movement and other factors.

          Technically when you squat, your own bodyweight is a part of the movement on top of whatever is on the barbell. Yet bigger people can just move more weight.

          Benchpress seems to favor manlets the most, but again, I would assume a 6'9" 300lb person to be able to move 2 plates without even having trained because they themselves have so much mass.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You’re both wrong. It depends on proportions. A taller guy with the same proportions as a Greg Ducette will lift much more than Greg

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ambiguous use of the term "proportions" won’t make you right.
            Are you talking about levers ratio only ? Or are you equating for muscle mass ?
            Because if you add a foot to greg’s height but still keeping his ‘proportional size’ that means you maybe add 20 to 30 kgs more of lean muscle mass. So of course the bigger dude will be stronger.
            But controlling for the same lean muscle mass, the taller dude will be "weaker" than the shorter one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have never witnessed someone with 6 months of lifting experience hitting 2 plate bench press unless they weren't natural or were already large or fat. In my experience most people get it around the 2-3 year mark (which is where I got it, and maintained it throughout a bulk-cut cycle the past year, + a few extra kg)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        my 1rm is 95kg after about a month of lifting. i look pretty much like the guy in the OP pic with a slightly smaller chest.

        this is a demoralisation thread. kys

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Love this meme
      >bro I was DLing 4pl8s in my first 3 weeks, never lifted a weight before

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Took me 9 months for a triple, skill issue

        I have never witnessed someone with 6 months of lifting experience hitting 2 plate bench press unless they weren't natural or were already large or fat. In my experience most people get it around the 2-3 year mark (which is where I got it, and maintained it throughout a bulk-cut cycle the past year, + a few extra kg)

        4 months, single.
        You can add 4-5 months to all of that if you include going to a calisthenics park and doing pull-ups, dips and hanging leg raises only as lifting. Time above is from joining a gym and doing barbell lifts for the first time.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    88 kg at what height? People brag about being 200 lbs here but then they mention theyre 6 5 or something so not really impressive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      183cm (6'0") 88kg (194lbs)

      Obviously, I look much better when I cut to 170~175. My point is, in natural bodybuilding, progress is insanely slow even under perfect conditions. Anyone can mog all my years of experience and progress with no experience and one half cycle of a random SARM

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are your numbers for reps or one rep maxes? Asking because my numbers are under yours but I look good. I always think it's incredbile how anons come in with big numbers and complain about not looking good. 185cm 80kg btw.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those are maxes, I train at 60-80% of those

          I'm not saying I look bad - I'm bigger/stronger than 90%+ of people around me or IRL. I'm saying, I look like nothing like a fitness influencer or how someone may expect someone who bodybuilds for that long would look like.

          Of course I can make it look better when I cut, get a pump, get a better camera, get better lighting, take it in a perfect angle, and apply some filters.

          But that's the whole point. Reality vs. Internet shit. Natty vs not natty.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well yeah bro, it's not like it's a secret those fitness shitfluencers have roids coming out of their asses. If there's anyone that actually believes guys that have popping delts and abs with insane vascularity and can maintain 10% bf and infinitum are natty, I'd highly doubt that person's cognitive ability lmao

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People still mistake being able to lift heavy weights with bodybuilding
          OP's training all wrong, even I look better than him and I lift like a lazy bum, drink a shitton of alcohol every day, smoke a pack a day and have never hit my protein macros in my life
          No I'm not gonna post body that should be for people that look decent

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't lifted since I was 16 and I was putting up those same numbers. I'm 26 now. You must be five foot three.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Idk, people say that yet in every gym I've been in - MAYBE 1/20 of the men can bench 2 plates. If you count only the lifetime natties, it's closer to 1/30 or 1/40. And if you count out people in a bulked state, it's halved again. And that's out of gym goers.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In other words, I think only about 1/80 of men that go to the gym can bench 225+ if they are lean and lifetime natty

        Some players in the frickin NFL can hardly bench 225, or barely squeeze out 5-10 reps, and those are the pinnacle of athletes

        Of course the big mfers can do 30+ reps, but that's not the point. It's a hard thing to do yet the internet thinks its normal because they have only ever been exposed to non-natties.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yup they are exposes to Non natties that are genetic elites and make fitness their job. Lots of dyel weak non natties out there

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah most people don't know how to train and they are just doing the same stuff without proper progression.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You ask if natural bodybuilding is even worth it as if you don't understand how important genetics are.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They really aren't. Any IFBBC (or whatever the frick it is) pros that are natty?

      No? Why not if it's all genetics? Certainly someone must have the genetics to win it natty if it's mostly about genetics right?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody's talking about natties in the IFBB you dingdong. I'm talking about natties who look like Alex Leonidas or Chris Jones or Geoffrey Verity Schofield. Not everybody is going to reach that level, plenty will just get to where you are & stay there.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it has nothing to do with your muscle amount, your bodyfat is too high.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was unironically dyel until 20, trained since 16-17.
    Then as soon as i turned 20 i gained some muscle. (pic rel)

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lfit heavy with meme 5RM max lifts like OHP/DL/DLs/bench that are shit for hypertrophy
    >end up looking like shit

    Tale as old as father time himself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't do those lifts
      >Be a permanent dyel
      Kek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sub 3 pl8 squat and sub 4 pl8 deadlift
        >heavy
        I can already tell (You) look like shit from this post

        mad cuz tru
        Even if he lifted 2x of that, he'd still look bad.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But you don't even lift that and you look worse than him. So how do you know?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sub 3 pl8 squat and sub 4 pl8 deadlift
      >heavy
      I can already tell (You) look like shit from this post

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      mad cuz tru
      Even if he lifted 2x of that, he'd still look bad.

      Post a natural who lifts 2x like that and looks bad and post a body of natural who doesnt lift 1/2/3/4 and looks jacked. I wont be waiting as I know it doesnt exist.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go to an IPF powerlifting comp and you'll see plenty of people like that

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I literally don't. Also thats what gets me about the strength vs aestethics discussion. Obviously if you JUST do the compounds, you wont look aestethic. If you literally on purpose do not train your biceps and shoulders etc. sure as frick they wont be aestethic. Also its the technique, the idea of powerlifting is to use as little energy and as little muscle as possible. The ROM of a bodybuilder doing bench press is 50cm where as the ROM powerlifter doing bench press is 5cm. If they would both do the same technique, the same rom, the same speed, the same reps and other does 60kg and the other does 180kg, the guy who can do 180kg has way bigger muscles.

          If you can do incline db press with 20kg for 12 vs incline db press with 50kg for 12, the guy who can do it with heavier weight (the guy who is stronger) is going to have much bigger chest muscles. There is no way around this. Someone can "appear" stronger than they are because of optimal limb length, if you have really long arms, your deadlift is naturally "stronger" than somoeone who doesn't. But the truth is that simply because of physics you need to apply less force so you arent actually stronger its just more favorable lift for you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you can do incline db press with 20kg for 12 vs incline db press with 50kg for 12, the guy who can do it with heavier weight (the guy who is stronger) is going to have much bigger chest muscles.
            And how do you think you're going to get from 20kg to 50kg, exactly? Doing fahve by fahves never hitting failure? The guy with juicy pecs is able to lift 50kg because he has juicy pecs, he doesn't have juicy pecs because he can lift 50kg, that's the difference. Unless you're peaking you're neuromuscular system with strength training, you're strength is going to be directly proportional to the size of your muscle, because it is the muscle that is actually lifting the weight. All things being equal, a bigger muscle is inherently a stronger muscle. The best way to grow a muscle, therefore, is just to progressively overload as the muscle gets larger and thus needs bigger loads. You can't force progression unless you start cheating with technique and ROM and shit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The problem with this logic is that there are people with smaller muscles that can clearly lift more than someone with large muscles for the same ROM.

            It's not just about muscle size that produces power to move something. Muscle fibers can also differ heavily. CNS can vary. How well someone can recruit helper muscles can vary. Etc etc.

            That's why you can have examples of 155lb guys benching 4 plates for FULL ROM. Even though in reality they look (and are) tiny, their strength level is insane. Meanwhile you can have massive bodybuilders that can hardly bench or move their own BW. They have the size - but are missing other factors

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >That's why you can have examples of 155lb guys benching 4 plates for FULL ROM

              4 plates is like what 400 pounds? How the frick a 155lb guy could bench that

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A 162lb guy benching 400lb would be one of the best IPF powerlifters. Atwood and Perkins benched a hair under 430 as an all-time PR. Move down a weight class and the current world champ (Pana) in the 145lb class has a 380lb PR bench. So this anon is full of shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    your maxes are low for 4 years. curently you are fat with like 15kg to lose. at ~75kg sub10% u mog 99.99% of popualtion

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >your maxes are low for 4 years
      Depends on where he started out, very stupid comment no offense.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah took me 5 months to hit those numbers with test and primo. Started from cardio twink mode who has never been into the gym. 24y.o./88kg/182cm

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I lifted more than you after 2 years and I've never been above 12%bf, wtf are you doing. And the 140kg, 180kg deadlift are probably bullshit because they're exactly 3 and 4 plates.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats exactly how much I tried. I don't like testing maxes on deads and squats

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nta but if that's the cause, 3 and 4 plates are good enough for squat and deadlift. If you're into aesthetics you could put those two on maintenance and pump the volume for your upper body.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    frick off moron. I achieved 1/2/3/4 in 6 months at much leaner bodyfat% weighing around 65kg. Its on you if it took you 4 years.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the problem isn't me, the problem is natural bodybuilding
    kinda pathetic tbh

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i barely lift and i mog the absolute frick out of you. youre doing something seriously wrong, what are you eating?

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bulking is a stupid meme. You're just adding extra steps and looking like shit in the process.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bulking is a stupid meme
      this. if you dont have any muscle definition you might as well not even lift

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know nothing about lifting if you think that and are still at the newbie stage.

      Either that or if you've only lifted on gear

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you don't bulk you'll end up looking like

      https://i.imgur.com/KGqSjS6.jpg

      1.80
      56kg
      1 year training natural calisthenics at home.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Max bench: 105kg
    I benched that much for 10reps after a year. Did you try putting effort into it?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >4 years of natural bodybuilding
    >Can't even bench 105kg for 5 sets of 5
    >can't even OHP 70kg for 3 sets of 5
    can't even squat 140kg to 5 sets of 5
    >can't even deadlift 200kg for a set of 5.
    Bro these are all achievable natty within 1.5 years. Source - me. What you did was
    >do machines
    >feel the burn
    >time under tension
    >Am-am...I an intermediate now daddy?
    No, you're still a novice. Now go on Starting Strength and do the Texas method proper you homosexual.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SS
      >Texas
      lmao fat and gay
      but of course you won't post body with timestamp

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you try lifting during those 4 years?

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Start boxing of MMA. Bodybuilding is useless. Big pecs have no real world use except looks.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, that's because you're fat as shit. Try lowering your bodyfat to at least 15%

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you need more? You look great and strong

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1.80
    56kg
    1 year training natural calisthenics at home.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      spooky

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1.80
      >56kg
      sissy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the issue with calisthenics - you're not gaining muscle unless you introduce weight. Weighted dips, weighted pull ups, etc.

      You're very lean but have a very small amount of muscle on you

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Twink bod, you're so feminine I wanna rail you

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you need to be 100kg minimum

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You just wasted 4 years not knowing how to diat.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you tried cutting? And by that I mean your wrists you demoralizing homosexual

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    42year old 88kg 186cm
    Bench 40kg once but my arms break and I can only do 3x8 with 30kg
    Should I lose fat first or start gaining muscles and then drop the fat?
    When I was 20 I could bench 3x10 80kg my weight was 75kg

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I may be dyel but my bench, squat, and deadlift maxes are better than OP, and I even weigh 8kg less. I'm also not a demoralizing homosexual.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That body's fricking gorgeous, anything more would be excessive and my heart would explode if this person so much as said hello to me. Quit b***hing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ywnbaw thougheverbeit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am a man and that man is gorgeous

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bodybuilding
    >maxes
    your issue is you're training for bodybuilding but you've conflated 1rm with bodybuilding progress. Bodybuilding progress is measured in the mirror. powerlifting progress is measured in the gym.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >4 years for a hair over 1/2/3/4
    User error

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yep this is why im giving up on natty lifting after only a year, i can see how much time it would take for me to have a respectable body
    if i started lifting at 15 then i would probably stay natural

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You look fine moron

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *