This shit tanks trash enzyme 5alpha which is responsible for trash hormone DHT and few other depression neurosteroids production, which is overall responsible for weak heart, bad mood, skin aging, enlarged prostate and slap head for many. One of the rare cases when pharma medicine turned out to be so successful. Bravo Merck! If you are a true ISTcel, you should consider taking this, even if you are not baldie.
I'm unvaxxed for COVID, I've rejected statins during a permabulking low point of my life, but I'm on fin. I'll let the balding rednecks blather on with their lack of case-by-case discernment while I keep my hair. Simple as.
that's cool. you should post hair.
There are natty 5ar inhibitors you know. Astaxanthin is one and it's a top flight supp for other reasons already
natty means less suppression and doesn't mean it couldn't have any side effects. if you want less suppression, just split that tablet. fin is cheap and consuming tablet is much effortless than coping with natty preparations
> natty
that means it doesn't work moron.
>he doesn't know
there's a plant for EVERY drug out there
Shh
>Astaxanthin is one and it's a top flight supp for other reasons already
>that means it doesn't work moron.
it works a bit, but you need to reach a certain DHT supression treshold in the scalp to have any effect on stopping hairloss and no natural 5ar inhibitor is able to get close, even 40% supression with fin is sometimes not enough. astaxanthin is great for the skin and worth taking anyway, though, I noticed a real difference with it, lycopene and some other supps, like hyaluronic acid and nac, even before I started using tretinoin
Astaxanthin is a strong enough 5ar inhibitor to visibly slow and thin my body hair growth. I also get watery semen and cognitive side effects on 24mg+.
How are you discerning between natty and non-natty 5ar inhibitors? Why does such a distinction even matter?
Pyrilutamide or RU58841 or eat half a raw onion a day
Where do you get RU from?
Your momma
>RU58841
how good is this shit, any side effects?
Experimental. You can get it on Anageninc or by going hardcore on echemi and sending inquiries to labs directly since Anageninc is expensive for it.
Many dudes have shown excellent results. Basically it blocks binding to the scalp androgen receptors so neither DHT nor T can bind and damage them (T doing damage is still not confirmed in any study but is bro science theory). It's the functional equivalent of reducing scalp DHT to 0%.
Systemic absorption so far seem minor in monkey tests. Most guys online don't say they've had any bad sides, but some guys say it nearly gave them a heart attack.
If you don't get results on fin or dut, it's a last line of defense for prevention. After that your options are a no guard shave or a hairpiece.
Does RU58841 have vasodilation properties? Minox is a vasodilator, maybe the heart issues come down to palpitations caused by increased dilation?
Supposedly the heart effects are because androgens play a role in the heart's ongoing health so any RU going systemic to a large degree harms the heart by blocking its ability to receive androgens to an extent.
I'm one who's heart gave pains when I was on it. I'd recommend fluridil to those who experienced this instead. Far safer due to it being anti systemic absorption by design.
do the cardiac sides come from a study, or just the usual hypochondriac redditors? I think I remember reading about some people supposedly contacting FDA about it and they told them it's bullshit
cardiac sides from RU are not common, but have been reported on every hairloss forum
iirc the patent for RU expired during its development phase, so there isn't adequate human data on it
It kills my dick if I take too much of it (1mg/day as "recommended") but I've found it halts my hair loss even if I take much less than it says on the box. I take one half pill (.5mg) every 2 weeks and it's perfect for halting hair loss without killing my dick. Much cheaper too
so you take 0.5mg per 2 weeks not daily and it helps you?
Yes. Although to be fair my hair loss was not that terrible to begin with (started going from NW1 to NW2 at 33, which is fine but I wanted to not go beyond that)
/fin/ should become own general on IST
I'm on 2mg since june 2022
lower your dose
Have they done studies on anything higher than 5mg? The threshold doesn't necessarily mean 5mg is the limit.
it stops at ~70%, for ~90% reduction you go for Dutasteride
>take fin
>get alzheimer's
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32087283/
Alzheimer’s is more common in men than women, though.
It doesn't completely stop DHT tho. Besides, as you age your natty test tanks which means much less DHT and more vulnerable to Alzheimer's. So the answer is cruise test and fin as you age. Ok next patient.
>as you age your natty test tanks
skill issue
>log adjusted
ah yes, we are on IST, where you moronic homosexuals cannot fricking read graph and you failed middle school math
Testosterone doesn't decrease with age tho. There are other factors than age that result in lower test and those factors often correlate with age, but for a healthy person testosterone levels remain contant through their lives.
Dut master race
Man did your scalp feel like it was burning? My hair became like hay too so I freaked out and stopped after two weeks. It was a very uncomfortable experience.
Dut increases scalp testosterone by 99%. Despite what the Haircafe autist says, some men can also be susceptible to hair damage from testosterone too and railing dut to jump your T level will still harm your hair. The hairline specifically may be more T vulnerable but there's no specific studies on it yet, just a messy array of internet study from guys showing hairloss continuing or even accelerating at the hairline while on dut.
Damn, I thought my temples receeding was me panicking about the scalp burning but maybe it was the Dut. Do you think 2.5 weeks would be enough to destroy my hairline?
Honestly it was kind of dramatic. My hair felt like it was just not producing oil, and the day I stopped my hair started feeling normal again.
>the day I stopped my hair started feeling normal again
Then it was nocebo. Dut doesn't stop working that quick. You need a few days for its levels in your system to drop, and around 3 months to completely get it out of your body.
Hasn't really done anything for my hairline but my hair is definitely more luscious. Eyebrows and eyelashes are noticeably thicker too, which helps looking young. No sides, happy with my decision to jump onto FIN.
>Eyebrows and eyelashes are noticeably thicker
Nice placebo effect. Outside of high amounts in the scalp, DHT everywhere else makes hair grow thicker and longer. If you indeed have better hair there, it's very doubtful it's due to that drug.
Could it be the minoxidil then?
Yes, that is probably it. Minoxidil probably works because it mimics the effect of ATP that opens up channels which deliver nutrients to the hair follicle; increased blood flow in other words.
Hmm do you think it's possible that my hair being better is the Minoxidil too? Maybe I should drop the fin and see? Or is that risky?
>do you think it's possible that my hair being better is the Minoxidil too?
It's undeniable minoxidil *can* improve scalp hair.
>Maybe I should drop the fin and see?
It's also undeniable finasteride *can* improve male-pattern baldness.
>Or is that risky?
Probably both are having a positive effect on your hair and though I wouldn't recommend using any of them, you should probably keep using both since they improve hair via different processes. Finasteride is probably the most important since the balding process always stops once you reduce scalp DHT enough.
fin murdered my sex drive and gave me watery semen. sometimes I shoot pure water almost like when you jerk off as a kid and don't produce semen yet. so people saying that it doesn't have real side effects are straight up liars
for me it's worth it to keep my hair so far
>fin murdered my sex drive
nocebo
>watery semen
probably because prostate started to get smaller. it will adapt, and semen will become better after few months
Get on dutasteride then
>trash enzyme
>trash hormone DHT
Why is everyone Kevinposting all of a sudden
He most likely posts here. Like any narcissist he hates the idea of people disagreeing with him and being allowed to do so unhindered.
a father figure for zoomers
cool. post hair
It's not a trash hormone, if you don't have dht, youre gonna get infertile
It also gets rid of those pesky erections. No more morning glories getting in the way of combing those glorious locks amirite finbros??
is cold weather good or bad for hair?
i live in russia, so i've heard it freezes the follicles or something and makes them fall out, but i don't really wanna wear hats
if it was an issue then russian women would be balding too
they kind of fricking are, i'm gonna be honest
all of them have gigantic foreheads for some reason
>israelite chems
shave it, grow a beard and get fit
looks clean, feels good
post head (with eyes blacked out if you wish)
>shave it, grow a beard and get fit
this
he wouldn't look much better with hair though
frick off kevin
enjoy your troonyfication.
when can i eat your ass anon?
>if you isolate temporary rises in T levels and ignore all offsetting factors, you get to live another day repressing and denying your all-consuming desire to go under the scalpel and be given a manpussy
spread that flag, dude. spread it proudly.
>Testosterone increases by 10-20%
>Estradiol increases by 5-10%
Damn good deal, I'd take that deal.
>can't even spell alpha
opinion disregarded
> and few other
*A* few other. "Few other" means "not many other". It's not that hard Rajesh
based. it's too late for me with diffuse norwood 4, but I started taking it anyway for the test boost and longetivity. no one ever talks about this this, but it stopped my excessive sebum production and unexpectedly cured my severe sebhorric dermatitis I had since early teens
So what can you even do to reduce scalp inflammation without fricking with 5ar and DHT? Anti inflammatory shit's everywhere and microneedling should be able to sort out regrowth.
Guerilla marketing on IST is a 100% sign you stocks are down because your product is unhealthy trash and is doing terribly on the market. You will never change my mind, I know you know it, and I am only here to laugh at you.
Why would companies spend money to guerrilla market an expired-patent generic drug? I don’t take fin but it’s pretty cheap, right? I can’t imagine it’s marked up much over production if any factory in India can pump them out.
Rate my stack:
>Fin 1mg 6 days per week.
>Dut 0.5mg 1 day per week.
>Min oral 2.5mg per day.
>Min/Fin topical 1 or 2 a day.
>RU once a day.
>derma rolling 1 or 2 times per week.
I'm determined to get back to a Norwood 0, so throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it.
Also how does one apply RU? I usually just put it where I want regrowth, but should I be putting it all over scalp?
>Dut 0.5mg 1 day per week.
So this is actually basically doing nothing for you. Dut is different than fin in that it takes time to have to build up to make efficacy. It's like creatine where you sort of have a loading phase. It's months before dut winds up reaching its top efficacy in suppressing DHT. Taking it once a week likely isn't making it effective any further than just having 7 days of fin.
How long have you been on these things and how much regrowth have you seen? Generally even with a full stack no one ever recovers full balded areas of hairline.
I was gonna do that in order to build it up slowly over time. I took it for 2 weeks but it made my scalp feel like it was burning and unbearably itchy.
I've been on Fin 5 months and Min 3, hair looks better for sure but no significant regrowth.
KWXK on Youtube has a vid on this. Basically you're best off continuing on with fin and dut at the same time to let dut build up to efficacy without having DHT rise by jumping off fin switching direct from one to the other. Theory is that the shed some guys get switching from fin to dut is likely caused by stopping fin, scalp DHT rises without it during the time dut is taking to get up to max capacity.
Probably a good loading protocal is dut one day, fin the next for a few months. Keeps fin in the system and DHT suppressed while getting regular dut in to build up with its long half life, then eventually start subbing out those fin days with more dut days. There's no real science studied to this process just looking at graphs of DHT suppression for each and going from there.
what's the point of taking fin and dut at the same time? isn't dut powerful version of fin that tanks dht up to 90%
My only problem with your stack is that you have no idea what works and dropping even a single drug might lead to massive shedding.
I'm all for waiting 6 months on fin and then going crazy with oral min to fill in all the hair that isn't coming back with min, you don't have to scar up your scalp or take research anti-androgens.
I can't really fault it. I take 1.25mg Fin & 2.5mg Minox once a day myself.
These treatments are cheap enough that it doesn't hurt to use both the topical & oral. I am concerned about oral minoxidil after Haircafe's videos though.
>I am concerned about oral minoxidil after Haircafe's videos though
I'm not. yeah, the adverse effect rate is pretty high and not dose-dependent, but the bright side is that if you don't notice any fluid retention, heart palpitation etc. after using it for some time, it's unlikely that you're in the unlucky portion of the population susceptible to it and even prolonged use or higher doses, like 5mg, will frick you up
I still like his videos and he it totally right on the fin scaremongering. But it's so convenient to take oral Minox, vs applying it manually every day. That's a real chore.
I agree. he's one of a handful of youtubers who actually read the studies and their methodology, not just titles, as far as hairloss is concerned
oral min is a big no, why would someone like his hair thicken all over the body, I'm already pretty hairy
if you're hairy now, you will be hairy with oral min, if you have effeminate raits like the inability to grow more than peach fuzz on your body, it will not suddenly darken on oral min.
I have a hairy chest (thick and complete coverage up to the clavicle), so I have bodyhair genetics, but the hair on my hands and legs is short and barely visible and oral fin didn't make them any thicker, just the eyebrows
Haircafe does more damage than good scaremongering oral min, his viewership is scared enough "taking the plunge" with 1mg fin every other day thinking it's gonna castrate them because of all the memes and FUD on this site, r/tressless and others.
It's really something else, who benefits from such an extreme smear campaign on fin other than grifters selling essential oils and red light helmets?
hi kevin. Now plz frick off and rope urself
y'all cowards don't even drink topical min
5.66mg from 4 drops of 5% topical liquid, it's only been a month and I can already see my diffuse hairline coming back with cm of growth plus more sprouting up after fin nuked my hairline and none of my dht rekt hair showed any signs of regrowth 3 months after the initial fin shed.
>not drinking fin and using it topically at the same time
ishygddt
I use 5mg and so far I've only noticed beard growth. Which is nice.
If hair growth happened, it's not noticeable yet.
Side effect for me is that my eyebrows got thicker and I look zesty as frick.