>Doesn't know that quality of protein is a thing >Never heard of the DIAAS score before.
NGMI.
You fell for the vegan meme, my guy.
I would advise you do not follow meme-advice on food coming from people with a diet that makes them unhealthy.
Meat is the most nutritious food you can eat.
You could just eat only meat and be fine.
But if you a only plans, you're gonna end up at the doctor in less than 2 years afer you go vegan.
90% of vegans quit afer a few years because of health problems.
Look up the stat and see if I'm lying.
DIAAS was literally made up by beef industry as a red herring to distract from the simple fact that plant protein is perfectly adequate. Wake me up when feedlot pigs and vegans start getting protein deficiencies.
>Wake me up when feedlot pigs and vegans start getting protein deficiencies.
Have you seen a typical vegan? They look like they're one fall away from breaking every bone in their body.
>DIAAS was literally made up by beef industry as a red herring to distract from the simple fact that plant protein is perfectly adequate
moron take.
Every doctor and nutrionist worth their salt will tell you that meat is the most nutritiously-dense food there is.
You just don't understand how proteins work.
It's alright, we've all been the dumbass at some point, but its your job to not stay dumb and inform yourself instead of spouing BS vegan propaganda.
>Wake me up when feedlot pigs and vegans start getting protein deficiencies.
You can wake up, it's already happening.
Here :
>Vegans may lack essential nutrient intake, study reports
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160316194551.htm
>Vegan Diet: Inadequate Protein Intake And 7 Other Side Effects You Need To Watch Out For
https://www.ndtv.com/health/vegan-diet-inadequate-protein-intake-and-7-other-side-effects-you-need-to-watch-out-for-2181905
>8 Nutrients You May Be Missing If You’re Vegetarian or Vegan
https://www.thehealthy.com/nutrition/vitamin-deficiency-vegetarian-vegan/
Or if you need a good study, here's one >Intake and adequacy of the vegan diet. A systematic review of the evidence >Results : Regarding macronutrients, vegan diets are lower in protein intake compared with all other diet types. Veganism is also associated with low intake of vitamins B2, Niacin (B3), B12, D, iodine, zinc, calcium, potassium, selenium. Vitamin B12 intake among vegans is significantly lower. >Conclusions : Following a vegan diet may result in deficiencies in micronutrients (vitamin B12, zinc, calcium and selenium) which should not be disregarded. However, low micro- and macronutrient intakes are not always associated with health impairments. Individuals who consume a vegan diet should be aware of the risk of potential dietary deficiencies.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561420306567
To be fair, most people lack those, regardless of wether they are vegan or not simply because our food is devoid of nutrients compared to how it was thanks to poor soil. Still less risky to not eat vegan though. But supplementing carefully might be a good idea anyways.
Yeah sure.
Especially american and some other western countries.
I come from a EU country which has a high consienciousness in terms of healthy eating.
See pic related.
Look at the top left.
France. That's where I'm from.
We eat a lot of saturated fats, and very few unsaturated fats and we have very few problems like heart disease compared to the rest of the world.
I eat quite healthy to be honest, but even I take a multivitamin+minerals all in 1, in the morning to make sure I'm not missing any micronutrients at all.
I'm just tired of Vegans being the most unhelathy of all the diets trying to tell others how they should live their lives.
It's always the gayest city homosexuals who've never been on a farm that push this shit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
This is fundamentally a graph of GDP per capital to healthcare outcomes.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>This is fundamentally a graph of GDP per capital to healthcare outcomes.
No because France is at the top.
If it were Per Capita GDP, Switzerland and the nordic countries would score higher, but they don't.
I do however thank you for pointing out that idea, but I don't think it's really an issue.
As proof ; The French Paradox and The Isreali Paradox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
Compare to
GDP per capita of France : 40,963.8 (2022)
GDP per capita of Israel : 54,659.8 (2022).
So no. I don't think GDP per capita is the issue since Israel's GDP per capita is way higher than France's, yet France has very low health problems by eating lots of saturated fats and Israel consumes mostly unsaturated fats and has high levels of heart disease and oher health problems.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I still think it's an issue. Yes, France has a lower GDP per capita and lower rate of death from CVP than Israel, but both are pretty close towards the top. The overall trend of that graph is one of lower GDP/capita, towards Russia and Moldova at the very bottom with $12000 GDP/capita and $5000/GDP capita respectively. I think the conclusion of "Richer countries have better hospitals and their citizens can also afford more meat" is a better conclusion than "Eating more meat lowers risk of death by heart disease".
10 months ago
Anonymous
I respect your opinion but I don't think you understand the problem here :
- A good healthcare system only deals with healing and taking care of patients that have, le's say Heart Disease and Obesity.
- What a Healhcare sysem CAN'T do is PREVENT Heart Disease.
You're confusing taking care of a sick patient with heart disease and PREVENT a patient from getting heart disease and obesity.
Israel has very high Heart Disease %.
France has a very low Heart Disease %.
It's like saying : "Good Hospitals prevent people from getting Cancer from smoking".
No, that's not how it works.
You prevent Lung Cancer by reducing smoking.
You don't PREVENT lung cancer with having the best doctors and free healthcare.
PREVENTION is a very different issue from TREATING said disease or problem.
Prevention VS Treatment.
The statistics show a PREVENTION of health problem through diet, not the TREATMENT of said problem by the healthcare system.
You're confused.
The rates of Heart Disease happen because of diet.
There is no Hospital or Healthcare system invovled.
You're really confused on one of the most basic and important concepts of healthcare, Prevention VS Treatment.
You prevent Cancer by not smoking.
You treat cancer with healthcare.
Am I being clear enough?
I'm repeating a lot because to me it seems you have not understood that a Healhcare System can only do Treatment, not Prevention.
Are we good now?
You get the problem at hand?
I'm trying really hard not to be condescending or insuling, please excuse my autism.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You're confusing taking care of a sick patient and preventing a patient from getting sick
Your graph is one of heart disease mortality in women, not overall rate of heart disease. So I stand by my interpretation of your graph.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Idk anon, i live in switzerland and the french supermarkets are just as packed full with absolute garbage as the american ones and the people are just as fat and unhealthy. Well, maybe only 80% as fat and unhealthy but it is getting very close. I don‘t think the average french or swiss diet is THAT different than the average american anymore. Sure, we do have some law regulations that might make a little difference but these won‘t really cut it if people keep eating like they do. Idk if we have better soil. We have less space so chances are our soils are even more sucked dry than other places. Eh, i guess perfection is not attainable anyways but that should not stop us from trying. I feel like vegans sometimes fare better in studies because at least they have a higher chance to be people that can abstain from food despite it being yummy for health and other reasons. That is already more than what most can do. And even though it is more and more possible to be vegan and eat unhealthy af, chances are that if you are vegan you have to at least have SOME interest in nutrition compared to the masses that just never bother to even read a label.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Idk anon, i live in switzerland and the french supermarkets are just as packed full with absolute garbage as the american ones and the people are just as fat and unhealthy.
Sure, but still way better and healthier than in the US, with all the shit the FDA approves but the EU doesn't.
The USA has so much toxic chemicals and molecules in their shit it's not even comparable.
The EU authorities are no perfect but are doing a way bettr job than the fricking FDA.
>I don‘t think the average french or swiss diet is THAT different than the average american anymore
It is though. Well it depends on if that person cooks thir own food or not.
If you only buy food and never cook food, then you diet is going to be trash.
This also is the case in the US, the only healhy Americans are the ones that cook everything from scratch, and even then they have to know what foods are healthy and stay on the lookout.
In the end, it's Processed / Industrial food that is unhealthy, mostly.
>Vegans fare better...
Not really, but your example does apply in the US, sure. Americans are not properly educated in nutrition and yes most don't really care.
Also the high rate of fast food is to be taken into account.
What I agree with is that Vegans can be "food conscious", and therefore will also prefer Organic Food, compared to processed food, so that's where Vegans are ahead of the average person.
So it's not Veganism that is helping their health, it's eating Organic food primarily that helps them get ahead.
The fact is that 84% of vegans qui veganism after a few years because of health problems.
That's a fact that fricks up the enire vegan argument.
Just look up "Vegans quitting Veganism Compilation" on YouTube and I promis you, you'll never look at veganism the same way again.
100% of these vegans who quit, do it because otherwise heir body is going to shut down and they will die.
That's facts.
If you don't believe me, look it up on YouTube.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>84% of vegans qui veganism after a few years because of health problems
Well yeah, i know, i am one of them, kek. And you are very right. I had insane health benefits in the beginning because i cut out all processed shit. But then after a year it crept up on me and mind you, i did everything organic and i always tracked my macros and made sure to eat balanced and well rounded as can be when vegan. I‘ve only switched a month or so ago and i already feel much better. Oh well, it would have been too nice, eh? Being able to be in peak physical health by buying inexpensive bulk foods like beans and rice. At least i gave it a honest try. Maybe if i did all the supplements, it would have been possible but that seems kinda backwards too.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Your post perfectly encapsulates the Vegan experience.
You become Vegan by cutting out all the processed stuff, which makes you feel better initially but then start having problems when the body runs out of healthy animal fats and protein.
Veganism can be just abou Ethics, I don't really mind that part, but as you said, you'd need to take health supplements to be healthy as a long-term vegan, which is in direct opposition with the idea that having a Vegan-only diet is healthy.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. I initially went vegan for many reasons, health only being one of them. But then i got a grip and realized that sacrificing your health is not worth any other arguments ever. Now i think that if you go vegan for moral reasons despite knowing it is not nutritionally ideal, you should get professional help because you have zero self worth. And going vegan for health reasons works initially if your diet was not good before, but as you said, long term it will ruin you unless heavily supplemented. Which you can do. I mean, i will supplement even when not eating vegan because i like to try and get the maximum benefits from the things i do.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>The fact is that 84% of vegans qui veganism
No.
that's wrong
70% of vegans quit >after a few years
No.
Not in this study but other, later, studies had similar results and the average participant was somewhere between ~3-8 months vegan (with 34% even less than 3 months)
after about 12 months there are barely any vegans that abandon their diet >because of health problems
No.
that's wrong
26% cited health problems as reason going back
at least use the correct numbers from the survey and not just the headline in the Abstract which combined vegetarians (who quit in higher numbers) and vegans
and the number for ethical vegans who quit is way lower (though which should be irrelevant for here as this is about health / IST)
>on YouTube
yeah because Influencers are the most ~~*trustworthy*~~ source for nutrition
surely no one would do any thing for clickbait
or do some ridiculous diet, like fruitariasm, and call it "veganism" for more clicks >they will die
there are many 80+yo vegans who are vegan for decades >That's facts ... look it up on YouTube
yeah trusting influencers and your schizo imagination surely is the ground truth
10 months ago
Anonymous
>"in this study"
When you're claiming there's a study, post the link. >26% cited health problems
Define health problems. For example, if someone is feeling fatigue and lethargy and leaves the diet because it set on the diet and "health problems" is defined in such a way that excludes that and say requires some medical diagnosis and one was not given, then fatigue and lethargy would not be included as "health problems." >yeah because Influencers are the most ~~*trustworthy*~~ source for nutrition
They're as trustworthy as the researcher at a university funded by some major food producer or pharmaceutical company published in a journal funded by said companies. >some ridiculous diet, like fruitariasm, and call it "veganism" for more clicks
The frugovore diet is a vegan diet. It is protein deficient. However, vegetarians tend to have a higher rate of nutritional deficiencies compared to the average population while vegans have a very high rate of nutritional deficiencies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/ >there are many 80+yo vegans who are vegan for decades
Who? Are you sure they're actually vegans and not something like a lacto-ovo vegetarian or a people who eat fish regularly that are claimed to be "vegan" by vegan propagandists? It wouldn't be the first time vegans lied about the diets of some people let alone lied about their own diets.
10 months ago
Anonymous
the one you're likely referring (or read about in secondary news) was a survey not a study
https://faunalytics.org/a-summary-of-faunalytics-study-of-current-and-former-vegetarians-and-vegans/
>Define health problems
it's a survey
they asked about the reasons they quit
there's no diagnosis, it's self reported
>They're as trustworthy as the researcher at a university funded by some major food producer
???
most of research is publicly funded and not by food producers
then trust your influences who are literally 100% financed by advertisement (from food corps) vs researcher who are mostly on public money and "may" be financed by food crops
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/
let me cite >There were nutrient inadequacies across all dietary patterns, including vegan, vegetarian and meat-based diets >Our findings imply that plant-based dietary patterns can increase the risk of inadequate intake and status of certain nutrients, which are mainly present or more bioavailable in animal foods (EPA/DHA, vitamin B12, D, iodine, iron, zinc, calcium), but can improve the intake of other nutrients, which are abundant in plant foods. Conversely, meat-eaters are more at risk of inadequate intake of nutrients that are more present in plant foods (fiber, PUFA, ALA, vitamin E, folate, magnesium).
no where mentioned that one group is more deficient than the other
glad we clarified that
>Who?
probably the most famous is Paul McCartney
10 months ago
Anonymous
, meat-eaters are more at risk of inadequate intake of nutrients that are more present in plant foods >>meat-eaters
Most "meat-eaters" are eating a plant-based diet of 70% or more plant foods. Most of that tends to be grains. >fiber,
Not an essential nutrient. At best a digestive aid. The only worthwhile fibers are soluble fibers since their can actually be used by bacteria in your small intestine. Insoluble fiber is useless for anything but making poop larger. >PUFA,
The PUFA from plants tends to be n6. The trend in general is that people are n3 deficient not n6 deficient. If anything, people are eating too much n6 which is from plants. To meet your n3 needs, the most efficient sources are fatty fish, followed by grass fed dairy and non-vegetarian fed eggs. >ALA
Though ALA is a considered n3 by some who want to pretend their diet has n3, it is not used by the human body until it's converted into EPA or DHA. The conversion rate is 5% for ALA into EPA. Literally nothing here to latch onto. You'd have to eat a huge amount of ALA just to get to your DRV of n3. Even then, the n6:n3 proportion will be unfavorably high since ALA foods are also rich in n6. >vitamin E,
Throw in 2 oz of almonds and you're set. >folate,
You can get folate from Beef liver. 100g has 328 mcg of folate
An egg has 22 mcg of folate. 6 eggs is 132 mcg of folate
However the more efficient sources of folate are vegetables. Just throw in a serving of broccoli and asparagus to your steak dinner. >magnesium
One cup of low fat yogurt and 2 oz of almond and a serving of greens. Incredibly easy to fix like all the other deficiencies from a lack of plants. You can fix your deficiencies while still being a meat eater. Whereas a vegan stops being a vegan when their actually try to fix their FUNCTIONAL deficiencies.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Most "meat-eaters" are eating a plant-based diet of 70% or more plant foods.
nta but this wouldn't matter, because those meat eaters are eating more meat than vegans either way so
9 months ago
Anonymous
lots to dig into from an anon who's NOT moronic!
>meat-eaters
yeah, anyone who's 100% meat is full moron. the closest person i know to a pure carnivore, also ate ample mushrooms. then he married a poo and they worship cows (lol) so he can't eat their primitive cult's god
>fiber
i assume you're talking about stuff like cellulose and not microbial polysaccharides that you find in fermented milk, mushrooms, vinegar, kombucha, etc.
>PUFA
spot on. eat more fish, preferably raw. avoid sneed oils
>ALA
yeah just eat fish (raw)
>vitamin E
based advice, though i would also suggest lanolin for topical use
>folate
everyone needs to eat more organ meat. heart is an easy intro cuz it's just 100% lean muscle enriched with minerals
>magnesium
spinach by the pound cooks down well
generally you're right, not really disagreeing with anything except raw fish = best fish, and organ meat = good. dunno the whole preceding convo, don't care
9 months ago
Anonymous
carnivore is the species appropriate human diet
9 months ago
Anonymous
the best diet is probably sushi
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Paul McCartney
I just googled it and he's vegetarian not vegan
10 months ago
Anonymous
how unfortunate for my argument
10 months ago
Anonymous
how unfortunate for my argument
Yup. I quote
https://i.imgur.com/wUjDhou.jpg
>"in this study"
When you're claiming there's a study, post the link. >26% cited health problems
Define health problems. For example, if someone is feeling fatigue and lethargy and leaves the diet because it set on the diet and "health problems" is defined in such a way that excludes that and say requires some medical diagnosis and one was not given, then fatigue and lethargy would not be included as "health problems." >yeah because Influencers are the most ~~*trustworthy*~~ source for nutrition
They're as trustworthy as the researcher at a university funded by some major food producer or pharmaceutical company published in a journal funded by said companies. >some ridiculous diet, like fruitariasm, and call it "veganism" for more clicks
The frugovore diet is a vegan diet. It is protein deficient. However, vegetarians tend to have a higher rate of nutritional deficiencies compared to the average population while vegans have a very high rate of nutritional deficiencies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/ >there are many 80+yo vegans who are vegan for decades
Who? Are you sure they're actually vegans and not something like a lacto-ovo vegetarian or a people who eat fish regularly that are claimed to be "vegan" by vegan propagandists? It wouldn't be the first time vegans lied about the diets of some people let alone lied about their own diets.
> Are you sure they're actually vegans and not something like a lacto-ovo vegetarian or a people who eat fish regularly that are claimed to be "vegan" by vegan propagandists? It wouldn't be the first time vegans lied about the diets of some people let alone lied about their own diets.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>then trust your influences who are literally 100% financed by advertisement (from food corps) vs
Food corps tend to promote plant-based diets and often meat substitutes because there is a higher potential profit margin from such diets and food when enough people are on such a diet than there is for an animal-based diet or for meat.
As for who is funded and who isn't. The influencers who are favoring locally sourced grass-fed beef, or locally sourced free range chickens while using your local small butcher to process the meat typically are not funded by food corps because the market preferences they promotes contradict the bottom line for food corps. Whereas someone who just says to go to McDonalds and just eat their beef patties (which per pound are more expensive than locally sourced grass fed beef patties) might be funded or just stupid.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>pic
supplements >shitty diet if you need supplements
the supplements are part of the diet
>Every doctor and nutrionist worth their salt will tell you that meat is the most nutritiously-dense food there is.
Nah 90% of them will tell you that spinach is the most nutrient dense food because they were brainwashed in school.
https://i.imgur.com/zZkrPqf.jpg
>not being on a 100% nuts and seeds (and fruits) diet like humans before the agricultural revolution
NGMI
The seed oil maxxing diet.
I tried it in university to save time cooking and it was extremely unhealthy.
You should compare the nuts with (1) white rice to realize how the humble white rice absolutely mogs nuts and seeds, and (2) with steak so you can see how steak has more nutrition than white rice
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/do-i-need-to-worry-about-eating-complete-proteins/ >While many of the complete proteins are meat-based, incomplete proteins are more vegetarian- and vegan-friendly. >They include:
Did you frickers even read the article? It keeps stressing that a combination of different incomplete proteins in a vegan diet can absolutely replace complete proteins as long as you have variety which is essential in any vegan diet anyway.
Posting muh science like that without at least checking what the article says only btfos yourself (not that I’d trust anything coming out of fricking cleveland anyway).
OP is obviously moronic for not knowing complete and incomplete protein but him stating eating beef to not be necessary is true and further supported by the article posted.
.5 cup black bean
4 tbsp rice
9g protein
Average male needs to eat 5 cups of black beans and 40tbsp of rice to hot protein targets.
No one is doing this by accident, almost all vegans are chronically undereating protein. If you just eat random crap and hope for the best you are getting a tiny fraction of the protein you expect.
Find me a series of macro and micro complete nutrients from veganism that won't launch my carb intake well above 45% of my total calories.
Also >Saturated fat >Cholesterol
Are YOU fricking moronic? The OP image implies that eating almost a pound of beans contains the protein equivalent of eating however much steak. That is 100% disingenuous and that link proves why.. It isn’t a complete protein while steak is.
Also, the cleveland clinic is literally one of the best hospitals in the country, specializing in heart care and cancer. People travel from all over the world to Cleveland to get treated there. You’re a frickkng moron and should have a nice day:
youre completely missing the point moron, OP is saying that black beans are a replacement to beef, and that article obviously shows that theyre wrong
also, even if you do eat incomplete plant proteins that become complete, its still way less (complete) protein dense than meat, theres a reason why every single vegan lifter looks like a dyel unless theyre on steriods
it takes only a fricking vegan to shift one terrible argument to another terrible argument and be like "haha you see ive btfod you because of this argument thats completely different from what OP was trying to even imply"
it's a great idea to supplement meat with plant proteins. that way you get the benefits of immediately bioavailable proteins (that have been synthesized by a cow/bison/etc), and you force your body to construct its own proteins with amino acids (that you get from shiitake mushrooms). also, animal fat gives you other amazing benefits such as cholesterol, saturated fat, CoQ10, thrombins, B-complex vitamins, and a wide variety of other enzymes, growth factors, and micronutrients.
while the plant proteins excel at giving you a large amount of complex carbs (fiber), their own micronutrients, etc. both together will help you get a comprehensive dietary fat profile as well. i still can't believe morons are so manichean >t. eats steak with a salad of mushrooms/onions/garlic and bread
https://i.imgur.com/SZutoPv.png
carrots and sweet potatoes are basically the top tier beta carotene foods (hint: it's orange)
In terms of bioavailable nutrition there is absolutely no contest. Beef has more nutrition than an entire week's worth of beans. Beans can barely be called food.
Lol no. You use more water just washing away pesticides and soaking the beans.
Not to mention how they irrigate rather than rely on rainfall, plus animal farming releases water since the animals pee, where water is naturally trapped inside the plants before they are dried (or canned wet with even more water, trapping clean water from the cycle)
Yep. Though these "water stats" are pretty misleading most of the time, since meat production involves almost exclusively "green" water (the rainfall that is necessary for the grass to grow that the cows eat). Since water isn't destroyed in this process (the livestock just pisses and shits it out, it evaporates and becomes rainfall again) and there is no fossile energy expended to "clean" it (it evaporates naturally through sun energy), it's pretty much a zero-sum-game and has zero impact on the environment. The only water consumption that really matters is the industrially cleaned water used to produce food, since to make that, we actually expend energy. This clean water usage is pretty much the same for industrially farmed plants and industrially produced meat, so it's quite misleading to claim: "Oh, meat production uses X times as much water as vegetable production, it's so bad for the environment!"
>water
i dont drink water personally. i get my hydration from steak. the 1500L of water keeps me going for about 500 days. the amount of time you save from not drinking water is immense
>"bioavailability" is pure meat industry propaganda, its not even a real nutritional term
The vegan is the one complaining about "Muh Propaganda".
homosexual please, the entire Vegan movement is a propaganda doomsday cult.
You lack such self-awareness it's comical.
And yes bioavailability is a real thing, the fact that you're trying so hard to discredit i shows how desperate you are to get your way.
>100g "beef" >300kcal >22g protein
Fatty "mystery meat" vs flank steak. >192 kcal >28g protein
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/168733/nutrients
vs extra lean ground beef
https://www.nutritionix.com/food/extra-lean-ground-beef
>black beans has the same amount of carbs as the protein >black beans prepared in a meal will have even more carbs from the other things to make it taste good.
It doesn't even compare. Vegans don't meet their protein goals. Plus it's interesting the person who made this chose some random type of beef. bodybuilders are eating extra lean ground beef too.
Plus why would you eat straight black beans ever. Enjoy scaring girls away with the excessive gas I guess.
>Enjoy scaring girls away with the excessive gas I guess.
i just realized the guys who made the OP and OP image literally do not lift, no man who lifts would actually eat beans the same way the average lifter eats meat, theyd just be farting in every fricking workout than needs a braced core and probably shit their pants when doing squats
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have a nice day Moxyte.
No one likes Vegantard shills like you.
Take you homosexual doomsday cult propaganda somewhere else.
Literally no one on IST has ever agreed with your idotic takes.
https://i.imgur.com/CjhK0Ga.png
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Kys Moxyte
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Unironically, tell me about yourself. Why do you come here and post this kind of thing every day.
He's actually pro hunting and more or less against inhumane types of slaughter, and he's pro White. I've talked to him a few times on here and he's pretty right wing but with a progressive outlook. He's not like vegan gainz of that's what you guys are thinking, he's more or less against farming in poor conditions for the animal but the few times I spoke to him he said he's fine with hunting for food. I don't agree with all his takes but I can understand where he's coming from. I think he's more or less an anti-natilist which is fine as long as he's pushing it to lesser thans and undesirables. Allow me to play doubles advocate.
Have you read his reddit profile? The guy is extremely dishonest and a vegan fanatic. The other half of his posts are him being happy that Russian (White) men died in war. He's a despicable person.
>moxyte >top communities >programmerhumor, virtualreality, oculusquest, technology
Uhh. As far as his sub goes it has a lot of posts clearly showing how ketogays scam mislead swindle and fool people like this one https://www.reddit.com/r/ketoduped/comments/155tvu9/this_is_how_nina_teicholz_fools_people_can_you/
All which go totally uncontested because he’s not dishonest, you people are. You fricks have screeched autistically about him for years now and never at any point have you shown where is the lie.
>ketogay
Stop samegayging, moxyte. No one cares about you. You are just a nuisance on this board, like a particularly hardy bed bug infestation. Your dishonest posts are never going to convince anyone here to go vegan, and everyone on this board either pities or hates you.
Yea yea everyone is moxyte now how about you show where he is dishonest
>ketogay
Stop samegayging, moxyte. No one cares about you. You are just a nuisance on this board, like a particularly hardy bed bug infestation. Your dishonest posts are never going to convince anyone here to go vegan, and everyone on this board either pities or hates you.
have a nice day Moxyte.
No one likes Vegantard shills like you.
Take you homosexual doomsday cult propaganda somewhere else.
Literally no one on IST has ever agreed with your idotic takes.
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have a nice day Moxyte.
No one likes Vegantard shills like you.
Take you homosexual doomsday cult propaganda somewhere else.
Literally no one on IST has ever agreed with your idotic takes.
>he thinks people are worried about dying from protein deficiency when actually we just want optimum instead of just getting by somehow
Also >thinks because all protein ((came from plants)) that nullifies the fact that meat is extremely condensed plant nutrients accumulated over months
he's right! Gorillas eat nothing but leaves and..well....I'll let this picture do the talking >Well come on then, your usual "destiny and honor" speech!
>most of research is publicly funded and not by food producers
Think about this logically instead of falling for some propaganda lines. Who ends up in charges these public organizations and contributes to public funding. If you look at cabinets for prime ministers and presidents, it tends to be executives from aggro-business and pharmaceutical companies. Then there's the fact that corporations in general fund large portions of political campaigns and have been pushing plant-based diets, mock meats, etc. for decades. Research is often not directly funded, rather it's university departments that are donated to and then funding from their gets filtered down to researchers as well.
Yeah a bunch of leftist homosexual vegans run this shit and anything subversive like "le mainstream thing bad" and "more control is needed" is automatically attractive.
No one has ever identified what magical substance is so allegedly harmful in meat. Every attempt has failed to the point a statistical anomaly is a better explanation
Look at how tiny that dyel is. Tiny neck, saggy chest. I bet he can't even pull 1pl8. >broccoli loaded with protein
2.8g per 100g broccoli. However when you account for digestibility it's more like 2g. To meet your daily needs on broccoli, at 0.36g/lb bodweight, you'd have to eat 18g of broccoli per pound of body weight. A 160 lb man would have to eat 2.88 kg of Broccoli just to meet their maintenance requirements for protein. Broccoli uncooked has a density of 0.37 mg/c^3. So that's 77.84 cubic meters of broccoli/day to meat protein needs or a cube of broccoli about 4.3 meters on each side of the same density as broccoli.
*22 g of low bioavailable protein
Fixed that for you. Plant protein is mostly non existant.
https://i.imgur.com/C54VFyW.jpg
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have a nice day Moxyte.
No one likes Vegantard shills like you.
Take you homosexual doomsday cult propaganda somewhere else.
Literally no one on IST has ever agreed with your idotic takes.
>22g of low bioavailable protein >22g of useless fibre that give you dysbiosis at best >5mg of non-heme iron that won't get absorbed >0g of fat which is needed to synthesize cholesterol and all steroid hormones
kys everyone doing this keto vs vegan bullshit, just eat a balanced diet for fricks sake. I eat a shitload of rice, beans, poultry, beef and some fish and pork, and also my fair share of kale, spinach, lettuce, broccoli, carrots, beetroot, the list goes on. What's so fricking hard about just eating a diverse diet?
>fair share of kale, spinach, lettuce, broccoli, carrots, beetroot, the list goes on
NOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT PLANTS, THE FARM MY DADDY WORKS AT IN MISSISSIPPI TOLD ME SO
He’s saying he’d love to use it if it weren’t causing problems (as in: is not using it) and other foods aren’t an issue. How did you arrive to conclusion he has diarrhea if he is explicitly avoiding that one thing giving him tummy ache? And what’s your beef with him anyways? You go around every fricking thread screeching about him
He's schizophrenic and thinks one person is out to get him. He's been doing this for almost a decade at this point. He's pretty easy to bait and equally mentally moronic. He will reverse lookup anything he deems as his opposition to try to dox, but as you can see fails miserably. He came to that conclusion by reverse image searching and finding it posted on reddit, so he now thinks that redditor is the only person here that laughs at his keto induced mental illness.
Pic related is the original meme that was posted many times on IST prior to it being posted on IST.
>redditor: exists >posts memes from IST to get le upboats >every anon is now that redditor
Did I get his logic right?
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Anonymous
Yes. He is also on IST every waking moment of every day. Has been for years. I think he's a drug addict or alcoholic as well because his posts get weird and he makes more grammatical and spelling errors later in the day. He also shows up instantly when you mention keto or vegans or post ketoschizo.png. He's theIST equivalent of Barneygay.
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wtf
https://i.imgur.com/2uwEynf.jpg
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Kys Moxyte
Uhh that’s not how IST works sweaty do you also go around IST screaming at anons posting that same Asuka jpg for 20 years to leave you alone
He's schizophrenic and thinks one person is out to get him. He's been doing this for almost a decade at this point. He's pretty easy to bait and equally mentally moronic. He will reverse lookup anything he deems as his opposition to try to dox, but as you can see fails miserably. He came to that conclusion by reverse image searching and finding it posted on reddit, so he now thinks that redditor is the only person here that laughs at his keto induced mental illness.
Pic related is the original meme that was posted many times on IST prior to it being posted on IST.
Yes. He is also on IST every waking moment of every day. Has been for years. I think he's a drug addict or alcoholic as well because his posts get weird and he makes more grammatical and spelling errors later in the day. He also shows up instantly when you mention keto or vegans or post ketoschizo.png. He's theIST equivalent of Barneygay.
Every night for the last five years, I have poured 3/4 cup of dried white navy beans into my InstaPot, and cooked them up. I then drain them, put them in a bowl, and chop up an apple into them, drip some honey on them, add some milk, and eat them for a midnight meal before bed. It's delicious, rich in a shit load of nutrients, fiber, and protein, and also apparently lowers your shit cholesterol. It's a very comfy ritual that signals bedtime for me and a comforting meal to end the day with as it is warm and sweet and soft.
NTA and it does BUT beans go surprisingly well with sweet. Red beans in milk tea is actually pretty good, the beans soak up the sugar but you still get texture
This. I had red bean ice cream and I learned that day that some beans have just light enough of a savory profile that they compliment sweetness very well. Don't kick it till you try it.
100g is only 3.5oz. A 6oz steam has ~50g protein. An entire can of beans has only ~25g protein (7g per serving, 3.5 servings/can). As usual, vegans rely on outright lies to try and convince others.
The deep lore about Moxyte is that he was raped by a dude he met in a bar and apparently the guy was doing keto or something, and since then he has been on a crusade against the ketogenic diet to "retake the power from his aggressor" as he said in the now deleted Reddit post from his own subreddit r/ketoduped. Very unhealthy stuff.
This also explains why he wants to be as fat as possible, this is a classic victim coping mechanism to make themselves as unattractive as possible.
Another reason as to why the moron keeps doing a contra run against le heckin' evil ketolards is because some mod named like BigTexan76 or something who banned him was also on r/keto or something like that.
You'd need to mix those beans with rice at a ratio of 2:1 to get a complete protein profile. I love rice and beans but your pic was obviously made by a moronic vegan.
For the record if you're going the legumes and rice route because you're poor and need viable alternatives to beef, poultry or eggs, then French Lentils and rice completely mogs black beans and rice. Sub in quinoa for rice, and while it's nowhere near the succulent taste of beef, the macros are pretty fricking good.
Legumes = phytoestrigens, goitrogens, 1a and 2a isoflavones, pufa, soluble fiber.
No ty
Having said that, I also wouldn't get my protein only from muscle meat, almost equally moronic
Various collagen-rich cuts of beef (not just lean muscle) and beef gelatin, a lot of dairy, eggs, some seafood.
What I'm saying is we should eat the whole animal, ass to mouth, to balance amino acids intake. Muscle meat has too much tryptophan, precursor of serotonin, and a tryptophan imbalance leads to serotonin dominance and inflammation. Beef gelatine is mostly glycine, anti-inflammatory and protective against excess serotonin.
People who think they can simply replace meat (beef in particular) with plant protein should consider the amino acids profile of their diet, since an imbalance (or a general lack of essentials) can have significant consequences on the whole system.
Beans are great, I recommend every vegan bvll eats them raw, at least half a pound at a sitting. Personally I like kidney beans, I just pop them like skittles. You should try it too, you'll achieve instant spiritual gains.
I can see this shit going viral on vegantok, you just need a septum pierced hippie girl preparing a batch of raw kidney beans and doing spiritual meditative shit while she does a voice over of how it has changed her life. Give it only a couple days before shit hits the fan because tiktok is a mind control device for people who lack critical thinking skills.
>comparing a raw steak to precooked canned beans
burgers, everyone
enjoy eating 2.5kg of beans in a day when you could have a pound of grilled steak for the same protein, not even factoring bioavailability
>mfw eating beans AND meat together >mfw I don't have to argue with strangers over which extreme diet is the better choice
God I love being an omnivore
Beans beans they're good for your heart
The more you eat the more you shart
Beans beans they're bad for the gains
The more vegans eat the less they trains
Wow!
Almonds have 33% of my daily calorie alotment while providing only 10% of calcium, 9% of potassium and 9% of selenium, plus all the antinutrients that prevent mineral absorption, plus the fact that B vitamins aren't listed because walnuts are a terrible source of them, plus how walnut calories are like 66% from omega 6!
All for the price of being twice as expensive than ground beef per calorie.
Funny how you forgot to include water intake for the california almonds.
One thing to understand about vegans is that they don't give half a shit about humans, or human health. They care about animals more than people, because their empathy centres are all fricked up. They literally only feel empathy and kindness towards animals, instead of humans. They hate humans, and they want everyone that isn't them dead, so they can enjoy the company of their furry friends.
I think its a sign of developmental moronation, personally. They're stuck at a stage where they find humans too complex, they cannot deal with that complexity, therefore they label people in general as evil. Animals are simple, cuddly and not threatening, therefore they are morally good. You're not arguing with serious people.
Probably also self hatred. >le pure and holy animal ve evil and degenerate human
I just assume they watch a lot of e-girl hentai, that would explain it.
>Omnivores
anatomically Humans have more similarities to herbivores
but that discussion is completely useless because it's irrelevant for humans
humans can eat almost any diet and the body adopts
>do poorly when sticking to restrictive diets
literally the opposite is true
humans excel at most restrictive diets and can live on almost anything
from a Carnivore to an (almost as in 95-97% of calories) vegan diet
if this wasn't the case you probably wouldn't been born because humans would have never left the african / australian steppe and rain forest
>anatomically Humans have more similarities to herbivores
Lol no we fricking don't. The organ in herbivores that houses cellulose-digesting bacteria, the caecum/appendix, is almost nonexistant in humans. Look at the caecum in a human, then look at the ones in chimps, gorillas, and tigers.
>fails to distinguish between heme and non-heme iron
Non-heme iron needs to be converted to be used. Non-heme iron is also not absorbed nearly as readily as heme iron. >fails to list vitamin B12 content
Beans have zero B12. Beef has B12. >fails to describe which cut is being used for beef
Cut matters as some are fattier than others. Much like 80/20 ground beef is different from 95/5 ground beef. Beef lung and Beef liver are also nutritional distinct. >fails to list amino acid contents >fails to apply DIAAS and PDCAAS to account for protein digestibility
Beans are very low in general, 0.5.-0.61 meaning you only can absorb 50-61% of the protein whereas beef being at 1 implies you can absorb every bit of protein before accounting for your digestive system)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6024599/
In otherwords Beef is effectively 22g of protein. Whereas the 22g of protein in beans is more like 13g of protein >fails to consider n3 and n6 content
Grass fed beef for example has a decent amount of n3 given the low fatty acid contents of muscle meat. Whereas beans can never have n3. >fails to distinguish between green and blue water when comparing water use
Did you realize rainwater on pastures in general is accounted for in those numbers? To learn more about water use, consider
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019WR026995
https://www.farms.com/news/what-are-blue-green-and-grey-water-175392.aspx
Livestock feed is produced primarily with Green water. Whereas crops such as beans are often produced with blue water. Draining reservoirs due to agriculture for example is caused by plant agriculture. Whereas livestock agriculture mostly uses the water found in plants as they draw it out of the soil.
Hi everyone, I just want you to know that lacto-vegetarianism is king. You can eat a little meat and eggs for micros but if you want to be an athlete large quantities of rice, beans, fruit, and veggies come first. Carbs make the world go round.
It really is such an stupid debate. We are OMNIVORES, that's what we have been for millenia, it's moronic or even downright dangerous to try eating food from one source only.
Yet another dishonest vegan chart.
300 calories of beef does not have 22g of protein - it has closer to 38g of protein, depending on the cut and how much fat there is in it.
Every food is high in some nutrients and low in others, so vegans just cherry pick useless shit like fiber, and straight-up harmful shit like omega 6 and vitamin A.
Another point is that cholesterol and saturated fat are good for you.
If black beans were so high in absorbable iron, then iron deficient people would be advised to eat beans rather than red meat.
Vegans your worldview is based on listening to liars and scammers.
depends on your genetics. There are thousands of variants that code for everything from hemachromatosis (eating a lot of iron will slowly kill you, so no meat to a weird one that stops proper digestion of leafy greens. Beans are great and terrible for you, Meat is great and terrible for you. The only winning move is not to play (fasting) but too much of that is worse than none.
this homie eating BEANS!
Yes
>Doesn't know that quality of protein is a thing
>Never heard of the DIAAS score before.
NGMI.
You fell for the vegan meme, my guy.
I would advise you do not follow meme-advice on food coming from people with a diet that makes them unhealthy.
Meat is the most nutritious food you can eat.
You could just eat only meat and be fine.
But if you a only plans, you're gonna end up at the doctor in less than 2 years afer you go vegan.
90% of vegans quit afer a few years because of health problems.
Look up the stat and see if I'm lying.
>this homie eating BEANS!
picrel
DIAAS was literally made up by beef industry as a red herring to distract from the simple fact that plant protein is perfectly adequate. Wake me up when feedlot pigs and vegans start getting protein deficiencies.
>Wake me up when feedlot pigs and vegans start getting protein deficiencies.
Have you seen a typical vegan? They look like they're one fall away from breaking every bone in their body.
>DIAAS was literally made up by beef industry as a red herring to distract from the simple fact that plant protein is perfectly adequate
moron take.
Every doctor and nutrionist worth their salt will tell you that meat is the most nutritiously-dense food there is.
You just don't understand how proteins work.
It's alright, we've all been the dumbass at some point, but its your job to not stay dumb and inform yourself instead of spouing BS vegan propaganda.
>Wake me up when feedlot pigs and vegans start getting protein deficiencies.
You can wake up, it's already happening.
Here :
>Vegans may lack essential nutrient intake, study reports
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160316194551.htm
>Vegan Diet: Inadequate Protein Intake And 7 Other Side Effects You Need To Watch Out For
https://www.ndtv.com/health/vegan-diet-inadequate-protein-intake-and-7-other-side-effects-you-need-to-watch-out-for-2181905
>8 Nutrients You May Be Missing If You’re Vegetarian or Vegan
https://www.thehealthy.com/nutrition/vitamin-deficiency-vegetarian-vegan/
Or if you need a good study, here's one
>Intake and adequacy of the vegan diet. A systematic review of the evidence
>Results : Regarding macronutrients, vegan diets are lower in protein intake compared with all other diet types. Veganism is also associated with low intake of vitamins B2, Niacin (B3), B12, D, iodine, zinc, calcium, potassium, selenium. Vitamin B12 intake among vegans is significantly lower.
>Conclusions : Following a vegan diet may result in deficiencies in micronutrients (vitamin B12, zinc, calcium and selenium) which should not be disregarded. However, low micro- and macronutrient intakes are not always associated with health impairments. Individuals who consume a vegan diet should be aware of the risk of potential dietary deficiencies.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561420306567
To be fair, most people lack those, regardless of wether they are vegan or not simply because our food is devoid of nutrients compared to how it was thanks to poor soil. Still less risky to not eat vegan though. But supplementing carefully might be a good idea anyways.
Yeah sure.
Especially american and some other western countries.
I come from a EU country which has a high consienciousness in terms of healthy eating.
See pic related.
Look at the top left.
France. That's where I'm from.
We eat a lot of saturated fats, and very few unsaturated fats and we have very few problems like heart disease compared to the rest of the world.
I eat quite healthy to be honest, but even I take a multivitamin+minerals all in 1, in the morning to make sure I'm not missing any micronutrients at all.
I'm just tired of Vegans being the most unhelathy of all the diets trying to tell others how they should live their lives.
It's always the gayest city homosexuals who've never been on a farm that push this shit.
This is fundamentally a graph of GDP per capital to healthcare outcomes.
>This is fundamentally a graph of GDP per capital to healthcare outcomes.
No because France is at the top.
If it were Per Capita GDP, Switzerland and the nordic countries would score higher, but they don't.
I do however thank you for pointing out that idea, but I don't think it's really an issue.
As proof ; The French Paradox and The Isreali Paradox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
Compare to
GDP per capita of France : 40,963.8 (2022)
GDP per capita of Israel : 54,659.8 (2022).
So no. I don't think GDP per capita is the issue since Israel's GDP per capita is way higher than France's, yet France has very low health problems by eating lots of saturated fats and Israel consumes mostly unsaturated fats and has high levels of heart disease and oher health problems.
I still think it's an issue. Yes, France has a lower GDP per capita and lower rate of death from CVP than Israel, but both are pretty close towards the top. The overall trend of that graph is one of lower GDP/capita, towards Russia and Moldova at the very bottom with $12000 GDP/capita and $5000/GDP capita respectively. I think the conclusion of "Richer countries have better hospitals and their citizens can also afford more meat" is a better conclusion than "Eating more meat lowers risk of death by heart disease".
I respect your opinion but I don't think you understand the problem here :
- A good healthcare system only deals with healing and taking care of patients that have, le's say Heart Disease and Obesity.
- What a Healhcare sysem CAN'T do is PREVENT Heart Disease.
You're confusing taking care of a sick patient with heart disease and PREVENT a patient from getting heart disease and obesity.
Israel has very high Heart Disease %.
France has a very low Heart Disease %.
It's like saying : "Good Hospitals prevent people from getting Cancer from smoking".
No, that's not how it works.
You prevent Lung Cancer by reducing smoking.
You don't PREVENT lung cancer with having the best doctors and free healthcare.
PREVENTION is a very different issue from TREATING said disease or problem.
Prevention VS Treatment.
The statistics show a PREVENTION of health problem through diet, not the TREATMENT of said problem by the healthcare system.
You're confused.
The rates of Heart Disease happen because of diet.
There is no Hospital or Healthcare system invovled.
You're really confused on one of the most basic and important concepts of healthcare, Prevention VS Treatment.
You prevent Cancer by not smoking.
You treat cancer with healthcare.
Am I being clear enough?
I'm repeating a lot because to me it seems you have not understood that a Healhcare System can only do Treatment, not Prevention.
Are we good now?
You get the problem at hand?
I'm trying really hard not to be condescending or insuling, please excuse my autism.
>You're confusing taking care of a sick patient and preventing a patient from getting sick
Your graph is one of heart disease mortality in women, not overall rate of heart disease. So I stand by my interpretation of your graph.
Idk anon, i live in switzerland and the french supermarkets are just as packed full with absolute garbage as the american ones and the people are just as fat and unhealthy. Well, maybe only 80% as fat and unhealthy but it is getting very close. I don‘t think the average french or swiss diet is THAT different than the average american anymore. Sure, we do have some law regulations that might make a little difference but these won‘t really cut it if people keep eating like they do. Idk if we have better soil. We have less space so chances are our soils are even more sucked dry than other places. Eh, i guess perfection is not attainable anyways but that should not stop us from trying. I feel like vegans sometimes fare better in studies because at least they have a higher chance to be people that can abstain from food despite it being yummy for health and other reasons. That is already more than what most can do. And even though it is more and more possible to be vegan and eat unhealthy af, chances are that if you are vegan you have to at least have SOME interest in nutrition compared to the masses that just never bother to even read a label.
>Idk anon, i live in switzerland and the french supermarkets are just as packed full with absolute garbage as the american ones and the people are just as fat and unhealthy.
Sure, but still way better and healthier than in the US, with all the shit the FDA approves but the EU doesn't.
The USA has so much toxic chemicals and molecules in their shit it's not even comparable.
The EU authorities are no perfect but are doing a way bettr job than the fricking FDA.
>I don‘t think the average french or swiss diet is THAT different than the average american anymore
It is though. Well it depends on if that person cooks thir own food or not.
If you only buy food and never cook food, then you diet is going to be trash.
This also is the case in the US, the only healhy Americans are the ones that cook everything from scratch, and even then they have to know what foods are healthy and stay on the lookout.
In the end, it's Processed / Industrial food that is unhealthy, mostly.
>Vegans fare better...
Not really, but your example does apply in the US, sure. Americans are not properly educated in nutrition and yes most don't really care.
Also the high rate of fast food is to be taken into account.
What I agree with is that Vegans can be "food conscious", and therefore will also prefer Organic Food, compared to processed food, so that's where Vegans are ahead of the average person.
So it's not Veganism that is helping their health, it's eating Organic food primarily that helps them get ahead.
The fact is that 84% of vegans qui veganism after a few years because of health problems.
That's a fact that fricks up the enire vegan argument.
Just look up "Vegans quitting Veganism Compilation" on YouTube and I promis you, you'll never look at veganism the same way again.
100% of these vegans who quit, do it because otherwise heir body is going to shut down and they will die.
That's facts.
If you don't believe me, look it up on YouTube.
>84% of vegans qui veganism after a few years because of health problems
Well yeah, i know, i am one of them, kek. And you are very right. I had insane health benefits in the beginning because i cut out all processed shit. But then after a year it crept up on me and mind you, i did everything organic and i always tracked my macros and made sure to eat balanced and well rounded as can be when vegan. I‘ve only switched a month or so ago and i already feel much better. Oh well, it would have been too nice, eh? Being able to be in peak physical health by buying inexpensive bulk foods like beans and rice. At least i gave it a honest try. Maybe if i did all the supplements, it would have been possible but that seems kinda backwards too.
Your post perfectly encapsulates the Vegan experience.
You become Vegan by cutting out all the processed stuff, which makes you feel better initially but then start having problems when the body runs out of healthy animal fats and protein.
Veganism can be just abou Ethics, I don't really mind that part, but as you said, you'd need to take health supplements to be healthy as a long-term vegan, which is in direct opposition with the idea that having a Vegan-only diet is healthy.
Yeah. I initially went vegan for many reasons, health only being one of them. But then i got a grip and realized that sacrificing your health is not worth any other arguments ever. Now i think that if you go vegan for moral reasons despite knowing it is not nutritionally ideal, you should get professional help because you have zero self worth. And going vegan for health reasons works initially if your diet was not good before, but as you said, long term it will ruin you unless heavily supplemented. Which you can do. I mean, i will supplement even when not eating vegan because i like to try and get the maximum benefits from the things i do.
>The fact is that 84% of vegans qui veganism
No.
that's wrong
70% of vegans quit
>after a few years
No.
Not in this study but other, later, studies had similar results and the average participant was somewhere between ~3-8 months vegan (with 34% even less than 3 months)
after about 12 months there are barely any vegans that abandon their diet
>because of health problems
No.
that's wrong
26% cited health problems as reason going back
at least use the correct numbers from the survey and not just the headline in the Abstract which combined vegetarians (who quit in higher numbers) and vegans
and the number for ethical vegans who quit is way lower (though which should be irrelevant for here as this is about health / IST)
>on YouTube
yeah because Influencers are the most ~~*trustworthy*~~ source for nutrition
surely no one would do any thing for clickbait
or do some ridiculous diet, like fruitariasm, and call it "veganism" for more clicks
>they will die
there are many 80+yo vegans who are vegan for decades
>That's facts ... look it up on YouTube
yeah trusting influencers and your schizo imagination surely is the ground truth
>"in this study"
When you're claiming there's a study, post the link.
>26% cited health problems
Define health problems. For example, if someone is feeling fatigue and lethargy and leaves the diet because it set on the diet and "health problems" is defined in such a way that excludes that and say requires some medical diagnosis and one was not given, then fatigue and lethargy would not be included as "health problems."
>yeah because Influencers are the most ~~*trustworthy*~~ source for nutrition
They're as trustworthy as the researcher at a university funded by some major food producer or pharmaceutical company published in a journal funded by said companies.
>some ridiculous diet, like fruitariasm, and call it "veganism" for more clicks
The frugovore diet is a vegan diet. It is protein deficient. However, vegetarians tend to have a higher rate of nutritional deficiencies compared to the average population while vegans have a very high rate of nutritional deficiencies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/
>there are many 80+yo vegans who are vegan for decades
Who? Are you sure they're actually vegans and not something like a lacto-ovo vegetarian or a people who eat fish regularly that are claimed to be "vegan" by vegan propagandists? It wouldn't be the first time vegans lied about the diets of some people let alone lied about their own diets.
the one you're likely referring (or read about in secondary news) was a survey not a study
https://faunalytics.org/a-summary-of-faunalytics-study-of-current-and-former-vegetarians-and-vegans/
>Define health problems
it's a survey
they asked about the reasons they quit
there's no diagnosis, it's self reported
>They're as trustworthy as the researcher at a university funded by some major food producer
???
most of research is publicly funded and not by food producers
then trust your influences who are literally 100% financed by advertisement (from food corps) vs researcher who are mostly on public money and "may" be financed by food crops
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/
let me cite
>There were nutrient inadequacies across all dietary patterns, including vegan, vegetarian and meat-based diets
>Our findings imply that plant-based dietary patterns can increase the risk of inadequate intake and status of certain nutrients, which are mainly present or more bioavailable in animal foods (EPA/DHA, vitamin B12, D, iodine, iron, zinc, calcium), but can improve the intake of other nutrients, which are abundant in plant foods. Conversely, meat-eaters are more at risk of inadequate intake of nutrients that are more present in plant foods (fiber, PUFA, ALA, vitamin E, folate, magnesium).
no where mentioned that one group is more deficient than the other
glad we clarified that
>Who?
probably the most famous is Paul McCartney
, meat-eaters are more at risk of inadequate intake of nutrients that are more present in plant foods
>>meat-eaters
Most "meat-eaters" are eating a plant-based diet of 70% or more plant foods. Most of that tends to be grains.
>fiber,
Not an essential nutrient. At best a digestive aid. The only worthwhile fibers are soluble fibers since their can actually be used by bacteria in your small intestine. Insoluble fiber is useless for anything but making poop larger.
>PUFA,
The PUFA from plants tends to be n6. The trend in general is that people are n3 deficient not n6 deficient. If anything, people are eating too much n6 which is from plants. To meet your n3 needs, the most efficient sources are fatty fish, followed by grass fed dairy and non-vegetarian fed eggs.
>ALA
Though ALA is a considered n3 by some who want to pretend their diet has n3, it is not used by the human body until it's converted into EPA or DHA. The conversion rate is 5% for ALA into EPA. Literally nothing here to latch onto. You'd have to eat a huge amount of ALA just to get to your DRV of n3. Even then, the n6:n3 proportion will be unfavorably high since ALA foods are also rich in n6.
>vitamin E,
Throw in 2 oz of almonds and you're set.
>folate,
You can get folate from Beef liver. 100g has 328 mcg of folate
An egg has 22 mcg of folate. 6 eggs is 132 mcg of folate
However the more efficient sources of folate are vegetables. Just throw in a serving of broccoli and asparagus to your steak dinner.
>magnesium
One cup of low fat yogurt and 2 oz of almond and a serving of greens. Incredibly easy to fix like all the other deficiencies from a lack of plants. You can fix your deficiencies while still being a meat eater. Whereas a vegan stops being a vegan when their actually try to fix their FUNCTIONAL deficiencies.
>Most "meat-eaters" are eating a plant-based diet of 70% or more plant foods.
nta but this wouldn't matter, because those meat eaters are eating more meat than vegans either way so
lots to dig into from an anon who's NOT moronic!
>meat-eaters
yeah, anyone who's 100% meat is full moron. the closest person i know to a pure carnivore, also ate ample mushrooms. then he married a poo and they worship cows (lol) so he can't eat their primitive cult's god
>fiber
i assume you're talking about stuff like cellulose and not microbial polysaccharides that you find in fermented milk, mushrooms, vinegar, kombucha, etc.
>PUFA
spot on. eat more fish, preferably raw. avoid sneed oils
>ALA
yeah just eat fish (raw)
>vitamin E
based advice, though i would also suggest lanolin for topical use
>folate
everyone needs to eat more organ meat. heart is an easy intro cuz it's just 100% lean muscle enriched with minerals
>magnesium
spinach by the pound cooks down well
generally you're right, not really disagreeing with anything except raw fish = best fish, and organ meat = good. dunno the whole preceding convo, don't care
carnivore is the species appropriate human diet
the best diet is probably sushi
>Paul McCartney
I just googled it and he's vegetarian not vegan
how unfortunate for my argument
Yup. I quote
> Are you sure they're actually vegans and not something like a lacto-ovo vegetarian or a people who eat fish regularly that are claimed to be "vegan" by vegan propagandists? It wouldn't be the first time vegans lied about the diets of some people let alone lied about their own diets.
>then trust your influences who are literally 100% financed by advertisement (from food corps) vs
Food corps tend to promote plant-based diets and often meat substitutes because there is a higher potential profit margin from such diets and food when enough people are on such a diet than there is for an animal-based diet or for meat.
As for who is funded and who isn't. The influencers who are favoring locally sourced grass-fed beef, or locally sourced free range chickens while using your local small butcher to process the meat typically are not funded by food corps because the market preferences they promotes contradict the bottom line for food corps. Whereas someone who just says to go to McDonalds and just eat their beef patties (which per pound are more expensive than locally sourced grass fed beef patties) might be funded or just stupid.
>pic
supplements
>shitty diet if you need supplements
the supplements are part of the diet
>Every doctor and nutrionist worth their salt will tell you that meat is the most nutritiously-dense food there is.
Nah 90% of them will tell you that spinach is the most nutrient dense food because they were brainwashed in school.
The seed oil maxxing diet.
I tried it in university to save time cooking and it was extremely unhealthy.
You should compare the nuts with (1) white rice to realize how the humble white rice absolutely mogs nuts and seeds, and (2) with steak so you can see how steak has more nutrition than white rice
>TFW you eat meat, beans, and eggs
They taste good, I don't get it
bean protein is incomplete, therefore practically useless for muscle building
also eating almost a fricking pound of beans for 22g calories is moronic
>bean protein is incomplete
source: trust me bro
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/do-i-need-to-worry-about-eating-complete-proteins/
>While many of the complete proteins are meat-based, incomplete proteins are more vegetarian- and vegan-friendly.
>They include:
>Legumes (beans, peas, lentils).
>Nuts.
>Seeds.
>Whole grains.
>Vegetables.
This kills the OP
Did you frickers even read the article? It keeps stressing that a combination of different incomplete proteins in a vegan diet can absolutely replace complete proteins as long as you have variety which is essential in any vegan diet anyway.
Posting muh science like that without at least checking what the article says only btfos yourself (not that I’d trust anything coming out of fricking cleveland anyway).
OP is obviously moronic for not knowing complete and incomplete protein but him stating eating beef to not be necessary is true and further supported by the article posted.
tl:dr stop cherry-picking
What you are saying is true but not in any meaningful way.
https://www.soupersage.com/complete-protein-pairings/black-beans
.5 cup black bean
4 tbsp rice
9g protein
Average male needs to eat 5 cups of black beans and 40tbsp of rice to hot protein targets.
No one is doing this by accident, almost all vegans are chronically undereating protein. If you just eat random crap and hope for the best you are getting a tiny fraction of the protein you expect.
Not to even mention PDCAAS.
Find me a series of macro and micro complete nutrients from veganism that won't launch my carb intake well above 45% of my total calories.
Also
>Saturated fat
>Cholesterol
Are YOU fricking moronic? The OP image implies that eating almost a pound of beans contains the protein equivalent of eating however much steak. That is 100% disingenuous and that link proves why.. It isn’t a complete protein while steak is.
Also, the cleveland clinic is literally one of the best hospitals in the country, specializing in heart care and cancer. People travel from all over the world to Cleveland to get treated there. You’re a frickkng moron and should have a nice day:
youre completely missing the point moron, OP is saying that black beans are a replacement to beef, and that article obviously shows that theyre wrong
also, even if you do eat incomplete plant proteins that become complete, its still way less (complete) protein dense than meat, theres a reason why every single vegan lifter looks like a dyel unless theyre on steriods
it takes only a fricking vegan to shift one terrible argument to another terrible argument and be like "haha you see ive btfod you because of this argument thats completely different from what OP was trying to even imply"
>Combining incomplete proteins makes a complete protein
No shit. The problem is that it requires more volume than just eating a single piece of meat.
it's a great idea to supplement meat with plant proteins. that way you get the benefits of immediately bioavailable proteins (that have been synthesized by a cow/bison/etc), and you force your body to construct its own proteins with amino acids (that you get from shiitake mushrooms). also, animal fat gives you other amazing benefits such as cholesterol, saturated fat, CoQ10, thrombins, B-complex vitamins, and a wide variety of other enzymes, growth factors, and micronutrients.
while the plant proteins excel at giving you a large amount of complex carbs (fiber), their own micronutrients, etc. both together will help you get a comprehensive dietary fat profile as well. i still can't believe morons are so manichean
>t. eats steak with a salad of mushrooms/onions/garlic and bread
carrots and sweet potatoes are basically the top tier beta carotene foods (hint: it's orange)
This homie forgot which thread he's in. Go read OP and swiftly castrate yorself
>protein bioavailability indexes are far right white-nationalist propaganda! Give me updoots reddit!
Reddit is literally right wing
>250g
>almost a pound
American education, everyone
>15oz isnt almost a pound
youre genuinely moronic
>250g
>almost the same as 453.6g
Now I understand why you Ameritards claim such big lift numbers
trying too hard
*is wrong*
morons... 250g is dry weight, when you cook it goes up to like 700g
It’s canned moron
In terms of bioavailable nutrition there is absolutely no contest. Beef has more nutrition than an entire week's worth of beans. Beans can barely be called food.
guys how can 100 grams of beef contain 1500 litres of water?
I think that's the amount of water needed to raise a cow for meat production Vs. the water needed to grow beans.
Lol no. You use more water just washing away pesticides and soaking the beans.
Not to mention how they irrigate rather than rely on rainfall, plus animal farming releases water since the animals pee, where water is naturally trapped inside the plants before they are dried (or canned wet with even more water, trapping clean water from the cycle)
Yes
Yep. Though these "water stats" are pretty misleading most of the time, since meat production involves almost exclusively "green" water (the rainfall that is necessary for the grass to grow that the cows eat). Since water isn't destroyed in this process (the livestock just pisses and shits it out, it evaporates and becomes rainfall again) and there is no fossile energy expended to "clean" it (it evaporates naturally through sun energy), it's pretty much a zero-sum-game and has zero impact on the environment. The only water consumption that really matters is the industrially cleaned water used to produce food, since to make that, we actually expend energy. This clean water usage is pretty much the same for industrially farmed plants and industrially produced meat, so it's quite misleading to claim: "Oh, meat production uses X times as much water as vegetable production, it's so bad for the environment!"
>water
i dont drink water personally. i get my hydration from steak. the 1500L of water keeps me going for about 500 days. the amount of time you save from not drinking water is immense
>eat "100g" of plant protein
>absorb as little as 25g of incomplete protein while raping your gut with plant toxins and excessive fibre
>fibre
>excess
Holy meatgay cope
>least bioavailable meat protein is still more bioavailable than the most bioavailable plant protein
amazing, vegangays literally cannot cope
"bioavailability" is pure meat industry propaganda, its not even a real nutritional term
how does it feel having smaller arms than a 10 year old girl
someone do that thing with the green lines.
>"bioavailability" is pure meat industry propaganda, its not even a real nutritional term
The vegan is the one complaining about "Muh Propaganda".
homosexual please, the entire Vegan movement is a propaganda doomsday cult.
You lack such self-awareness it's comical.
And yes bioavailability is a real thing, the fact that you're trying so hard to discredit i shows how desperate you are to get your way.
whey chads we just cant stop WINNING
Huh???? I didn't know that. Guess I'll be switching to beans then plus meat is really expensive. Thanks for the info !
>100g "beef"
>300kcal
>22g protein
Fatty "mystery meat" vs flank steak.
>192 kcal
>28g protein
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/168733/nutrients
vs extra lean ground beef
https://www.nutritionix.com/food/extra-lean-ground-beef
turns out, im going to anyway 🙂
>black beans has the same amount of carbs as the protein
>black beans prepared in a meal will have even more carbs from the other things to make it taste good.
It doesn't even compare. Vegans don't meet their protein goals. Plus it's interesting the person who made this chose some random type of beef. bodybuilders are eating extra lean ground beef too.
Plus why would you eat straight black beans ever. Enjoy scaring girls away with the excessive gas I guess.
>Enjoy scaring girls away with the excessive gas I guess.
i just realized the guys who made the OP and OP image literally do not lift, no man who lifts would actually eat beans the same way the average lifter eats meat, theyd just be farting in every fricking workout than needs a braced core and probably shit their pants when doing squats
>why would you eat straight black beans
some seasoning and jalpeno makes them damn good
still eating beef though
Is there a way to get the beans without the fiber? I'm eating clean and don't want garbage trash foods for morons and slave goycattle.
I eat both
Plant protein is useless for humans, it's basically empty calories.
Why not eat beef with black beans on the side?
>keto9
post keto0-8
He's actually pro hunting and more or less against inhumane types of slaughter, and he's pro White. I've talked to him a few times on here and he's pretty right wing but with a progressive outlook. He's not like vegan gainz of that's what you guys are thinking, he's more or less against farming in poor conditions for the animal but the few times I spoke to him he said he's fine with hunting for food. I don't agree with all his takes but I can understand where he's coming from. I think he's more or less an anti-natilist which is fine as long as he's pushing it to lesser thans and undesirables. Allow me to play doubles advocate.
Frick me dude.
Have you read his reddit profile? The guy is extremely dishonest and a vegan fanatic. The other half of his posts are him being happy that Russian (White) men died in war. He's a despicable person.
No, I don't go on reddit. Didn't know the other shit but we didn't really talk about geo politics and just kept it IST related.
>moxyte
>top communities
>programmerhumor, virtualreality, oculusquest, technology
Uhh. As far as his sub goes it has a lot of posts clearly showing how ketogays scam mislead swindle and fool people like this one https://www.reddit.com/r/ketoduped/comments/155tvu9/this_is_how_nina_teicholz_fools_people_can_you/
All which go totally uncontested because he’s not dishonest, you people are. You fricks have screeched autistically about him for years now and never at any point have you shown where is the lie.
You decide to lie, but I'm not sure why.
Anyone can check his profile
Yea yea everyone is moxyte now how about you show where he is dishonest
>ketogay
Stop samegayging, moxyte. No one cares about you. You are just a nuisance on this board, like a particularly hardy bed bug infestation. Your dishonest posts are never going to convince anyone here to go vegan, and everyone on this board either pities or hates you.
have a nice day Moxyte.
No one likes Vegantard shills like you.
Take you homosexual doomsday cult propaganda somewhere else.
Literally no one on IST has ever agreed with your idotic takes.
I love you this meme.
>Bro just eat 1.5kg of broccoli per day
Actually it's 3kg per day
broccoli is a superfood tho. just eat some fish with it and you are good.
>per calorie
This is how you can tell this "infographic" was made by some sort of obese women weight watchers organization.
>he thinks people are worried about dying from protein deficiency when actually we just want optimum instead of just getting by somehow
Also
>thinks because all protein ((came from plants)) that nullifies the fact that meat is extremely condensed plant nutrients accumulated over months
cant help but feel vegan marketing is just for circlejerking vegans. this dude's face is so punchable it's unreal
This guy acts like an annoying woman
If being vegan makes me look like this guy…
I’m good.
Check'd
he's right! Gorillas eat nothing but leaves and..well....I'll let this picture do the talking
Well come on then, your usual "destiny and honor" speech!
>
he's right! Gorillas eat nothing but leaves and..well....I'll let this picture do the talking
>Well come on then, your usual "destiny and honor" speech!
This is not the flex he thinks it is (in both senses)
I don't even need to know what this guy is selling to know that I ain't fricking buying it.
His skin looks like dogshit.
Is that supposed to be an impressive physique? It was at the end of the video like it was supposed to be a mic drop. I'm lost.
In his circles, this is peak natty limit anon. Give him a break.
>most of research is publicly funded and not by food producers
Think about this logically instead of falling for some propaganda lines. Who ends up in charges these public organizations and contributes to public funding. If you look at cabinets for prime ministers and presidents, it tends to be executives from aggro-business and pharmaceutical companies. Then there's the fact that corporations in general fund large portions of political campaigns and have been pushing plant-based diets, mock meats, etc. for decades. Research is often not directly funded, rather it's university departments that are donated to and then funding from their gets filtered down to researchers as well.
Yeah a bunch of leftist homosexual vegans run this shit and anything subversive like "le mainstream thing bad" and "more control is needed" is automatically attractive.
No one has ever identified what magical substance is so allegedly harmful in meat. Every attempt has failed to the point a statistical anomaly is a better explanation
Look at how tiny that dyel is. Tiny neck, saggy chest. I bet he can't even pull 1pl8.
>broccoli loaded with protein
2.8g per 100g broccoli. However when you account for digestibility it's more like 2g. To meet your daily needs on broccoli, at 0.36g/lb bodweight, you'd have to eat 18g of broccoli per pound of body weight. A 160 lb man would have to eat 2.88 kg of Broccoli just to meet their maintenance requirements for protein. Broccoli uncooked has a density of 0.37 mg/c^3. So that's 77.84 cubic meters of broccoli/day to meat protein needs or a cube of broccoli about 4.3 meters on each side of the same density as broccoli.
I'm pescatarian, but shit like this makes me want to get a steak or something...
*22 g of low bioavailable protein
Fixed that for you. Plant protein is mostly non existant.
Incomplete proteins.
Opinion discarded.
Kys Moxyte
Why is she like this?
Kys Moxyte
>22 g protein, 12 g fat, 300 kcal
Lmao, what a bunch of lying homosexuals. That's 88 + 108 = 196 kcal. Where did the remaining 104 calories come from?
>imagine getting this worked up over these differences
>22g of low bioavailable protein
>22g of useless fibre that give you dysbiosis at best
>5mg of non-heme iron that won't get absorbed
>0g of fat which is needed to synthesize cholesterol and all steroid hormones
>so we looked at the data
kys everyone doing this keto vs vegan bullshit, just eat a balanced diet for fricks sake. I eat a shitload of rice, beans, poultry, beef and some fish and pork, and also my fair share of kale, spinach, lettuce, broccoli, carrots, beetroot, the list goes on. What's so fricking hard about just eating a diverse diet?
and learn how to season your fricking food for fricks sake
>fair share of kale, spinach, lettuce, broccoli, carrots, beetroot, the list goes on
NOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT PLANTS, THE FARM MY DADDY WORKS AT IN MISSISSIPPI TOLD ME SO
Kys Moxyte
Don't you have your vegan diarrhea to deal with?
He’s saying he’d love to use it if it weren’t causing problems (as in: is not using it) and other foods aren’t an issue. How did you arrive to conclusion he has diarrhea if he is explicitly avoiding that one thing giving him tummy ache? And what’s your beef with him anyways? You go around every fricking thread screeching about him
He's schizophrenic and thinks one person is out to get him. He's been doing this for almost a decade at this point. He's pretty easy to bait and equally mentally moronic. He will reverse lookup anything he deems as his opposition to try to dox, but as you can see fails miserably. He came to that conclusion by reverse image searching and finding it posted on reddit, so he now thinks that redditor is the only person here that laughs at his keto induced mental illness.
Pic related is the original meme that was posted many times on IST prior to it being posted on IST.
>redditor: exists
>posts memes from IST to get le upboats
>every anon is now that redditor
Did I get his logic right?
Yes. He is also on IST every waking moment of every day. Has been for years. I think he's a drug addict or alcoholic as well because his posts get weird and he makes more grammatical and spelling errors later in the day. He also shows up instantly when you mention keto or vegans or post ketoschizo.png. He's theIST equivalent of Barneygay.
wtf
Uhh that’s not how IST works sweaty do you also go around IST screaming at anons posting that same Asuka jpg for 20 years to leave you alone
Not your redditor boyfriend ketopedo. Nice try though. You really are the most pathetic lolcow on this website. I feel bad for you.
Kys Moxyte
Case and point
>more than twice as much beans
>same amount of protein
You okay moron-kun?
Every night for the last five years, I have poured 3/4 cup of dried white navy beans into my InstaPot, and cooked them up. I then drain them, put them in a bowl, and chop up an apple into them, drip some honey on them, add some milk, and eat them for a midnight meal before bed. It's delicious, rich in a shit load of nutrients, fiber, and protein, and also apparently lowers your shit cholesterol. It's a very comfy ritual that signals bedtime for me and a comforting meal to end the day with as it is warm and sweet and soft.
I like the thought of a bedtime ritual like that, plus you probably wake up ready for your nice morning constitutional ready to go.
>beans, apples, milk, and honey
this sounds kind of weird, to be quite honest with you
NTA and it does BUT beans go surprisingly well with sweet. Red beans in milk tea is actually pretty good, the beans soak up the sugar but you still get texture
This. I had red bean ice cream and I learned that day that some beans have just light enough of a savory profile that they compliment sweetness very well. Don't kick it till you try it.
>anons learning about anko
Heh
I haven't had beef in years, at this ill be priced out of pork soon tog.
I enjoy beans but the farts are so bad and constant, its barely worth it
You can't eat a ton of legumes everyday. It's a good complement but not a substitute.
>You can't eat a ton of legumes everyday
why? on orthodox lent days i eat 6 cans of beans and some bread only
100g is only 3.5oz. A 6oz steam has ~50g protein. An entire can of beans has only ~25g protein (7g per serving, 3.5 servings/can). As usual, vegans rely on outright lies to try and convince others.
*6oz steak
LOOK OUT DEY GON GEM DEM BOYNZ!
based
>lunch is usually a smoked salmon sandwich with spinach
What are you going to do, eat like ten cans of beans to get your body weight in grams? You’re going to shit and fart nonstop all day long.
Volume of food matters too. As does taste. But not worth arguing with a vegan cultist. Show the full nutritional breakdown.
Porque no los dos? Carne de res y frijoles? Juntos son muy beanos (hehe)
But you are going to be eating beef anyway to add some flavor
Unironically, tell me about yourself. Why do you come here and post this kind of thing every day.
The deep lore about Moxyte is that he was raped by a dude he met in a bar and apparently the guy was doing keto or something, and since then he has been on a crusade against the ketogenic diet to "retake the power from his aggressor" as he said in the now deleted Reddit post from his own subreddit r/ketoduped. Very unhealthy stuff.
This also explains why he wants to be as fat as possible, this is a classic victim coping mechanism to make themselves as unattractive as possible.
If that's true its pretty sad, but really would explain why they are always in /fat/ trying to discourage people from losing weight
lol post screenshot of that deleted post
Another reason as to why the moron keeps doing a contra run against le heckin' evil ketolards is because some mod named like BigTexan76 or something who banned him was also on r/keto or something like that.
>case and point
Textbook example of irony.
Yeah I wanna see it too.
>necessary
>NECESSARY
Ofc it is not necessary but i am trying to lifemaxx over here, not just barely survive. Absolutely pathetic.
>estrogen
Uh i just stick with beef thanks anyways
Killing animals isn't murder though because animals aren't human.
Is that pic legit?
I have just eaten beef post workout and feel great
Vegan trickery 101:
>Use steak instead of chicken, poultry or lean fish
>Disregard protein quality. Steelman the argument by saying it's "a complete protein"
Tactics:
>Parry the trickery
>Put up chicken
>Ask vegans what antidepressants they're on
>Flex
You'd need to mix those beans with rice at a ratio of 2:1 to get a complete protein profile. I love rice and beans but your pic was obviously made by a moronic vegan.
For the record if you're going the legumes and rice route because you're poor and need viable alternatives to beef, poultry or eggs, then French Lentils and rice completely mogs black beans and rice. Sub in quinoa for rice, and while it's nowhere near the succulent taste of beef, the macros are pretty fricking good.
Turns out I will round up and genocide vegan activists if they get anywhere close to separating me from beef.
Legumes = phytoestrigens, goitrogens, 1a and 2a isoflavones, pufa, soluble fiber.
No ty
Having said that, I also wouldn't get my protein only from muscle meat, almost equally moronic
Where the frick do you get it from then, you moron? Cum?
Various collagen-rich cuts of beef (not just lean muscle) and beef gelatin, a lot of dairy, eggs, some seafood.
What I'm saying is we should eat the whole animal, ass to mouth, to balance amino acids intake. Muscle meat has too much tryptophan, precursor of serotonin, and a tryptophan imbalance leads to serotonin dominance and inflammation. Beef gelatine is mostly glycine, anti-inflammatory and protective against excess serotonin.
People who think they can simply replace meat (beef in particular) with plant protein should consider the amino acids profile of their diet, since an imbalance (or a general lack of essentials) can have significant consequences on the whole system.
Frick was replying to
>2 kilos of beans a day
>BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP
Black beans are good but so is beef. Quit being a homosexual. Also cholesterol is good for you and the protein in beef is more bioavailable.
Beans are great, I recommend every vegan bvll eats them raw, at least half a pound at a sitting. Personally I like kidney beans, I just pop them like skittles. You should try it too, you'll achieve instant spiritual gains.
I can see this shit going viral on vegantok, you just need a septum pierced hippie girl preparing a batch of raw kidney beans and doing spiritual meditative shit while she does a voice over of how it has changed her life. Give it only a couple days before shit hits the fan because tiktok is a mind control device for people who lack critical thinking skills.
>comparing a raw steak to precooked canned beans
burgers, everyone
enjoy eating 2.5kg of beans in a day when you could have a pound of grilled steak for the same protein, not even factoring bioavailability
>mfw eating beans AND meat together
>mfw I don't have to argue with strangers over which extreme diet is the better choice
God I love being an omnivore
Beans beans they're good for your heart
The more you eat the more you shart
Beans beans they're bad for the gains
The more vegans eat the less they trains
I don't understand how the water stat is supposed to be relevsnt to me.
>not being on a 100% nuts and seeds (and fruits) diet like humans before the agricultural revolution
NGMI
also I eat 100g of pumpkin seeds per day
there's literally nothing better
>just eat a diet filled with cyanide bro
Literally guzzling pufa lmao, enjoy the cortisol and estrogen
arsenic doko
Wow!
Almonds have 33% of my daily calorie alotment while providing only 10% of calcium, 9% of potassium and 9% of selenium, plus all the antinutrients that prevent mineral absorption, plus the fact that B vitamins aren't listed because walnuts are a terrible source of them, plus how walnut calories are like 66% from omega 6!
All for the price of being twice as expensive than ground beef per calorie.
Funny how you forgot to include water intake for the california almonds.
One thing to understand about vegans is that they don't give half a shit about humans, or human health. They care about animals more than people, because their empathy centres are all fricked up. They literally only feel empathy and kindness towards animals, instead of humans. They hate humans, and they want everyone that isn't them dead, so they can enjoy the company of their furry friends.
I think its a sign of developmental moronation, personally. They're stuck at a stage where they find humans too complex, they cannot deal with that complexity, therefore they label people in general as evil. Animals are simple, cuddly and not threatening, therefore they are morally good. You're not arguing with serious people.
Probably also self hatred.
>le pure and holy animal ve evil and degenerate human
I just assume they watch a lot of e-girl hentai, that would explain it.
>believes in the counting calories conspiracy
Omnivores do poorly when sticking to restrictive diets. Who would have known?
>Omnivores
anatomically Humans have more similarities to herbivores
but that discussion is completely useless because it's irrelevant for humans
humans can eat almost any diet and the body adopts
>do poorly when sticking to restrictive diets
literally the opposite is true
humans excel at most restrictive diets and can live on almost anything
from a Carnivore to an (almost as in 95-97% of calories) vegan diet
if this wasn't the case you probably wouldn't been born because humans would have never left the african / australian steppe and rain forest
>anatomically Humans have more similarities to herbivores
Lol no we fricking don't. The organ in herbivores that houses cellulose-digesting bacteria, the caecum/appendix, is almost nonexistant in humans. Look at the caecum in a human, then look at the ones in chimps, gorillas, and tigers.
>fails to distinguish between heme and non-heme iron
Non-heme iron needs to be converted to be used. Non-heme iron is also not absorbed nearly as readily as heme iron.
>fails to list vitamin B12 content
Beans have zero B12. Beef has B12.
>fails to describe which cut is being used for beef
Cut matters as some are fattier than others. Much like 80/20 ground beef is different from 95/5 ground beef. Beef lung and Beef liver are also nutritional distinct.
>fails to list amino acid contents
>fails to apply DIAAS and PDCAAS to account for protein digestibility
Beans are very low in general, 0.5.-0.61 meaning you only can absorb 50-61% of the protein whereas beef being at 1 implies you can absorb every bit of protein before accounting for your digestive system)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6024599/
In otherwords Beef is effectively 22g of protein. Whereas the 22g of protein in beans is more like 13g of protein
>fails to consider n3 and n6 content
Grass fed beef for example has a decent amount of n3 given the low fatty acid contents of muscle meat. Whereas beans can never have n3.
>fails to distinguish between green and blue water when comparing water use
Did you realize rainwater on pastures in general is accounted for in those numbers? To learn more about water use, consider
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019WR026995
https://www.farms.com/news/what-are-blue-green-and-grey-water-175392.aspx
Livestock feed is produced primarily with Green water. Whereas crops such as beans are often produced with blue water. Draining reservoirs due to agriculture for example is caused by plant agriculture. Whereas livestock agriculture mostly uses the water found in plants as they draw it out of the soil.
Hi everyone, I just want you to know that lacto-vegetarianism is king. You can eat a little meat and eggs for micros but if you want to be an athlete large quantities of rice, beans, fruit, and veggies come first. Carbs make the world go round.
> serenaposting
some beans are much better than others, they shouldn't all be lumped in together
what the frick was wrong with just being a vegetarian? why are so many morons full on vegan now? eat an egg Black person
Why not both?
what if i eat both at the same time?
double the protein double the muscle!
No, that is forbidden.
It really is such an stupid debate. We are OMNIVORES, that's what we have been for millenia, it's moronic or even downright dangerous to try eating food from one source only.
100 grams is 3 oz not 6 oz.
Yet another dishonest vegan chart.
300 calories of beef does not have 22g of protein - it has closer to 38g of protein, depending on the cut and how much fat there is in it.
Every food is high in some nutrients and low in others, so vegans just cherry pick useless shit like fiber, and straight-up harmful shit like omega 6 and vitamin A.
Another point is that cholesterol and saturated fat are good for you.
If black beans were so high in absorbable iron, then iron deficient people would be advised to eat beans rather than red meat.
Vegans your worldview is based on listening to liars and scammers.
>tfw I eat beans and beef
Feels good to be idort
>22g of fiber
You'd shit yourself before finishing eating them.
250 grams dry beans is a hard meal to eat. 100 grams beef is like 3 bites.
Only 2 people on a thread of 50 are smart enough to use common sense
and the rest is so stupid they can't even use google
this says a lot about this place
Idc. Beef is King, and cholestorol is based for test production
>100g of beef is 3.5 oz
>text underneath says it's a 6-8 oz steak vs a can of beans
do vegans even try?
OK now try eating 1kg of beans a day
depends on your genetics. There are thousands of variants that code for everything from hemachromatosis (eating a lot of iron will slowly kill you, so no meat to a weird one that stops proper digestion of leafy greens. Beans are great and terrible for you, Meat is great and terrible for you. The only winning move is not to play (fasting) but too much of that is worse than none.
How much of that bean is absorbed?
Enjoy your lectins.
>mix my beef with black beans