>is actually a decent exercise (it gets appreciation, especially later on after new lifters shit on it at first)
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Upright rows
>is actually a decent exercise (it gets appreciation, especially later on after new lifters shit on it at first)
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They're great and if you struggle to feel your side delts in lat raises try pre-exhausting them with these, you'll thank me for the poomp.
>ruins your shoulder
I love this lift, I do it with an EZ bar with my wrists at an inward angle. Low weight and high reps, very slow and controlled. I'm not any sort of expert, but when I tried doing it with dumbbells or a barbell where my wrists point towards the floor it felt really bad when I reached the top. Like I was straining my wrist to keep it in the "correct" position.
I've never had any shoulder issues doing these nor do I know anyone who has. I'm not sure why this is one of those lifts that people swear leads to impingements.
I do them with an ez bar too
>I'm not sure why this is one of those lifts that people swear leads to impingements.
having your arms/elbows high with internal rotation is the exact recipe for impingment.
applies to upward rows, btn press, btn pulldowns
btn press requires substantial external rotation
upright row is fairly neutral
can't speak for btn pulldowns as I haven't tried them and I don't like to anonymously comment on lifts I've never even tried a single time
>upright row is fairly neutral
its not. that thing you're doing, trying to keep the elbows higher than the wrist, that's internal rotation. and the way your joints and the weight are positioned, its trying to rotate your arm even more.
>the way your joints and the weight are positioned, its trying to rotate your arm even more
so it trains external rotation
if you want to train external rotation, there are exercises for that.
if you want to train side delts, do an exercise that doesn't put you in a position likely to result in damage.
i mean, its not like there aren't other exercises that target the side delt. there's no need to do the one(s) that lead to impingment.
no
wouldn't put it past arnold to have taken photos like this doing risky exercises he doesn't actually train and circulating them.
Here’s the best variation I’ve found that causes little to no pain EVER. Cable with EZ bar.
Plus you can do dropsets.
>stiffy rowing the entire stack
they don't call him BIG Stiffy for nothing
When people ruin their shoulder, it's because they're doing it with a barbell and a close grip. That is, they're doing the exercise wrong.
no, its a pretty bad idea, it hurts your shoulders. rotator cuffs get raped.
just do lateral raises. dumbell, cable, whatever.
Dyel snaptards
Try low pulley with the rope attachment
I prefer these for side delts
why not a supaset with them both??
doing them with dumbells is better
>wastes your time
>hehe nothing personal kid
>new lifters
no?
It was bc of this fear that internal shoulder rotation causes impingement, which isnt true
If you have barbells, why not just do lateral raises?
>barbell lateral raises
A good way to complement your barbell flyes on chest and shoulders
There's no reason to do these, you'll just hurt yourself. Your shoulders aren't supposed to move that way.
I love them but only do them with dumbbells. Then again, I'm a DYEL so take this for what it is.
I like to do posterior delt rows BUT angled at 45 degrees or higher. Hits both posterior and lateral delts. Only exercise where I actually felt the burn there.
Is everyone moronic? Dumbbell upright rows have the same shoulder position as lateral raises
why would I do these over monkey rows?