>pills and powders are completely interchangeable and equivalent to real food, studies told me so! >there are no complex inter-dependencies or synergies between vitamins and micronutrients found in real foods, just take supplements!
your brain of veganism. another health problem? just consooom another supplement bro. What a traditional real food diet? That's right wing bro. Don't be racist.
You discern someone's health by the state of their bloodwork and overall robustness of their organs. Saying someone is unhealthy merely because they look pallid or gaunt is 95 iq behavior, "judging a book by its cover"
I'm sorry you were born with so little intelligence, it's your parents' fault.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The skin is an organ
also are you implying shitty health will not by reflected by your looks? This is HAES tier bullshit, are you moronic?
1 year ago
Anonymous
And you're so much of a brainlet you would associate paleness with unhealthiness, when tanning is harmful for the skin. >someone use da tanning ped dat mean dey healthy!!
Don't bother replying, I won't read it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I am not that anon though, but being excessively pale in the face IS a sign of poor health for a male. >muh tanning bed beach going leather skin morons
irrelevant
1 year ago
Anonymous
You discern someone's health by the state of their bloodwork and overall robustness of their organs. Saying someone is unhealthy merely because they look pallid or gaunt is 95 iq behavior, "judging a book by its cover"
I'm sorry you were born with so little intelligence, it's your parents' fault.
The skin is an organ
also are you implying shitty health will not by reflected by your looks? This is HAES tier bullshit, are you moronic?
I'll also comment on this one too.
What most people usually view as a "healthy" looking face is actually bloating, usually from being fat and eating a lot of fat and salt. The red flushing look is also high blood pressure. Look at any legit carnivore influencer they all have red near-alcoholic tier faces.
Skin complexion in terms of paleness to the "healthy glow" is largely bullshit. Literally just go and tan for a while. And it's largely relative to your culture. For hundreds of years we viewed paleness as a sign of wealth because rich people didn't have to go out and work in the fields. Now we're supposed to act like eating broccoli is causing this?
And as for the "gaunt" look, that too is largely bullshit. Put on a bit of muscle and you look like chad instead. It's easy to cut down weight and keep it off as a vegan (lowest BMI of all groups). Bone structure gets revealed = the 40% obese 35% overweight masses think you're too skinny. That's an incredibly superficial metric that is literally skin-deep at best. How about we compare their cardio to the average omni? Bloodwork? Wellbeing and life quality?
Oh right, the fact is that we have, and it overwhelmingly shows whole foods plant-based diets are the healthiest diets you can eat.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>acting like you're not the same person
ok moron lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm attempting to have an actual discussion please frick off with your normie-tier power dynamics.
It always reveals a lesser mind when someone thinks having a "majority" matters at all.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>switch vpn server >"it's not me!"
Nice try gay >expecting actual discussions on nu-fit
Again, moron.
checked though
>a single pill of creatine contains more than a portion of steak, suplements > meatq
You just decided that you're gonna ignore the scienific truth that veganism is very unhealthy and focus on the part where your cultist diet religion requires you to take PILLS to be healthy.
You don't even understand just how bad what you're saying sounds.
Keep taking pills Bozo, surely nohing wrong can happen if you eliminate food entirely and replace it with pills.
https://i.imgur.com/rwj9h9M.jpg
I did, unfortunately >be me >be vegan for many years >get sick all the time (usually have a bad cold/flu/sinus infection at least 3-4x/year making me sick for at least 6 weeks total) >also get frequent bouts of depression and anxiety >also get hand, foot & mouth disease from waterpark encounter, which is rare in adults, felt like I was gonna die for a week straight >about 9 years in, feel worse than ever >depressed most days, manic and raving like a madman some other days >feel like I'm dying again, swear something is really wrong, make doc appointment >doc runs blood panel >my Vitamin D levels are literally one point over having zero >explains to me that I apparently cannot process vegan-friendly Vitamin D2 into D3 as my body won't comply >no vegan D3 on market at the time >doc puts me on 50,000iu/day megadose non-vegan supplement for 20 days >feel amazingly better and mostly back to normal a week in >realize any diet that can frick me up this much simply is not meant for me >stop being vegan on my 10th year, eat clean and stick to good meats, shellfish, a little dairy, lots of eggs, green vegetables, rice and potatoes as bulk of diet >drop 30 lbs. to get to single-digit bodyfat for first time in my life >blood panel is better a year later as a non-vegan than any time when I was vegan >hair stopped falling out, energy increased, sex drive through the roof, endurance up, strength up, no downside
Any diet that excludes meat, eggs and dairy is gay as frick, I've spent years preaching the meatpilled message and using my story as a cautionary tale to idiots who think the cult of veganism actually will always make someone healthier when that's far from reality.
Unfortunately for the Vegan crowd this is way more common than people think, but it's heavily censored because it goes against the vegan Religion.
Fake post. If you are dumb enough to fall for veganism, you are not smart enough to exit it
>Fake post. If you are dumb enough to fall for veganism, you are not smart enough to exit it
You're really not familiar with the subject, Bucko.
The statistics say that 85% of Vegans stop being vegan because of health reasons.
It's not that they WANT to quit Veganism, it's their body that forces them to stop by bascally fricking dying.
So the choice is simple : Stop Veganism or Die.
Which one do you think they will pick, Doofus?
It's self evident when you look through this lens why there are so many ex-vegans.
monohydrate creatine which is the most common creatine supplement is vegan
The efficacy of creatine as a supplement is yet another indicator of meat in significant quantities as a dietary requirement for humans. We make our own but, we require exogenous sources of creatine for optimal creatine levels. This no doubt applies to other nonessential amino acids and nutrients.
I did, unfortunately >be me >be vegan for many years >get sick all the time (usually have a bad cold/flu/sinus infection at least 3-4x/year making me sick for at least 6 weeks total) >also get frequent bouts of depression and anxiety >also get hand, foot & mouth disease from waterpark encounter, which is rare in adults, felt like I was gonna die for a week straight >about 9 years in, feel worse than ever >depressed most days, manic and raving like a madman some other days >feel like I'm dying again, swear something is really wrong, make doc appointment >doc runs blood panel >my Vitamin D levels are literally one point over having zero >explains to me that I apparently cannot process vegan-friendly Vitamin D2 into D3 as my body won't comply >no vegan D3 on market at the time >doc puts me on 50,000iu/day megadose non-vegan supplement for 20 days >feel amazingly better and mostly back to normal a week in >realize any diet that can frick me up this much simply is not meant for me >stop being vegan on my 10th year, eat clean and stick to good meats, shellfish, a little dairy, lots of eggs, green vegetables, rice and potatoes as bulk of diet >drop 30 lbs. to get to single-digit bodyfat for first time in my life >blood panel is better a year later as a non-vegan than any time when I was vegan >hair stopped falling out, energy increased, sex drive through the roof, endurance up, strength up, no downside
Any diet that excludes meat, eggs and dairy is gay as frick, I've spent years preaching the meatpilled message and using my story as a cautionary tale to idiots who think the cult of veganism actually will always make someone healthier when that's far from reality.
The sun doesn't beam vitamin D into your skin, moron. The UV light transforms one version of D to another in your body. If you lack any D entirely in your diet you will have none for the sunlight to interact with.
Lmao, I'll make this as simple as possible >sun hits skin >skin turns cholesterol into a precursor to vit d3 >yes vit D is a hormone not a vitamin >this eventually turns into vit d3
You are right in the sense that it doesn't LITERALLY beam vitamin D but no one actually believes that.
Glad you got out of the vegan cult, anon. My experience was similar (although I was only vegan for maybe 2 or 3 years). I lost a ton of weight, became more depressed, got worse digestive issues, and started feeling paranoid and even experiencing hallucinations. It almost felt like I was developing schizophrenia. Luckily, I started eating beef and I've never felt better.
Veganism is not sustainable long-term for humans. Eat meat and flourish.
people actually believe this moronic nonsense, veganism is not about "muh health" altough it's good for you it's not about you, frankly you matter too much and should get off your horses and think about the harm your causing
I have self-respect, so I will always prioritize my health over your warped conception of ethics. There is nothing wrong with consuming my natural diet and thereby flourishing.
>I truly hope no one here fell for the psyop.
literally no one falls for veganism anymore
I cant believe anybody besides like art hoes in newyork has fallen for veganism after circa 2014
>it's not about yourself, it's about the unjust murder of innocent beings
You can only murder humans.
If you start giving equal rights to animals feel free to frick off from your home, you're invading their land or something lol
go kys moron, im not asking for equal rights for animals, im asking for cows not to get their ass fisted so you can drink their milk, or for chicks to get brutally killed in a macerator so you can have eggs, plainly humans have it to well and i'd feel ok killing you if it would save dozens of animals selfish lying piece of shit
>im not asking for equal rights for animals
You said animals are being murdered. That's the highest right you can give, you're making their lives equal to that of humans. if this goofy idea is ever taken seriously rights to property and such would logically follow
>muh morals of farming
Bro, you breed millions of söy-beings in a tight space and then mutilate their bodies with a machine
And this is much worse for the ecosystem overall than cows could ever be
>plainly humans have it to well
Debatable. Regardless there's no reason to sacrifice ourselves for animals. Only reason you think like that is because you humanize animals and dehumanize humans, moronation basically
Plants are also living beings, why do you say they are inferior to animals and are not deserving of compassion or consideration? It's completely arbitrary
You (vegans) simply pick an arbitrary random thing like muh feels, or muh nervous system and use that to value animal lives equal that or even more than human life.
I simply say all life is inferior to human life.
Which one makes more sense and is more useful for humans I wonder
The main destination of basedbean crop is to cattle farms as feed
Wrong, cows eat the inedible fiber parts othe plant that humans can't digest.
Chickens/pigs do eat the beans but then you're turning shit (söy) into gold (eggs and meat), so it's worth it
1 year ago
Anonymous
they don't care about lliving beings, it's just moral masturbation for them. An outlet that lets them feel important and like they are doing somethging. The end results don't matter, logic doesn't matter. What matters is how it makes them feel, and the sense of importance it gives them.
If one notices this fact about this whole "process" it becomes entirely far easier to understand their behavior.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I actually think a lot of them have some kind of brain/psychological damage that redirects their empathy from humans to animals. Vegans are notoriously and irrationally misanthropic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I actually think a lot of them have some kind of brain/psychological damage that redirects their empathy from humans to animals.
not true, vegans care only about specific animals and don't give a shit about others.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because plants aren't sentient
1 year ago
Anonymous
Animals aren't sentient either, a lot of humans are barely sentient to be honest
1 year ago
Anonymous
Animals are sentient
1 year ago
Anonymous
Animals aren't sentient either, a lot of humans are barely sentient to be honest
Animals are sentient
A lot of plants and animals are sentient.
Only (some) humans are sapient though.
People get the terms confused, in casual speech sentient basically means sapient. Please don't argue semantics though, animals are obviously far less capable of understanding reality in a philosophical way compared to humans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Animals are less capable, still doesn't mean they don't deserve consideration from people with moral capacity.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Can you explain why they would, or is this just one of those "I think, I feel" kind of opinions?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Any answer I give would be based on my moral position. I would argue most people's morals would be against animal cruelty. Can you tell me why they should not?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The issue is I don't need to. You're the one trying to change my ways as I laugh at your extremist views.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You're the one trying to change my ways
He isn't though. He is having a wank and feeling good about himself. Convincing you of anything is irrelevant.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm not trying to change your ways. I've just been answering your questions. Do whatever the frick you want
1 year ago
Anonymous
I am drinking milk right now and mogging you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
you're drinking breast milk from another mammal that has puss and fecal matter in it, you're probably mogging a hobo doing that
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't know if you want to say that. Genuinely hobos tend to look healthier than vegans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
can you provide me a non-fruitarian vegan that looks bad?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah just google vegan rally. They all look like this.
1 year ago
Anonymous
lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/jfKEFuI.jpg
Yeah just google vegan rally. They all look like this.
so... uh whats wrong with them again? they look pretty normal to me?
1 year ago
Anonymous
the leathery face, dead eyes, drooping skin, thinning hair, underdeveloped features, that's before you even get to the brain
1 year ago
Anonymous
Walk in your average walmart and look at the people who are buying all the meat
1 year ago
Anonymous
The people in Wal-Mart are bottom-barrel people to begin with. Literally nobody with a decent job goes to Wal-Mart.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>cherrypicking pictures of ugly vegans attributing their ugly looks to their diet
>flips when someone else does the same
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well vegans are a weird little niche cult, while meat eaters are the general population and come in all shapes and sizes
1 year ago
Anonymous
how are we a cult? we dont have a leader
also not putting disgusting shit in your mouth and not abusing animals is nota cult, it's called being a decent human being
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't need a formal leader for it to be a cult. And if meat is so disgusting why do
1. most people like it
2. it's extremely rare to see a vegan last longer than 5 years?
1 year ago
Anonymous
so you base your entire argument on personal anecdotes?
1 year ago
Anonymous
i'd say they look fine, not fat and fairly clean skin
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well we're mammals, if other mammals could steal milk they would too >has puss and fecal matter in it
Cow milk doesn't have that bro, your mom had some dirty milkies boy
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Cow milk doesn't have that bro, your mom had some dirty milkies boy
he doesnt know
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah I guess I don't know, since when does milk comes with pus, blood and feces?
Pus and blood I could see from an infected cow, but feces? That ain't normal bro
1 year ago
Anonymous
Other mammals eat ze bugs, why don’t you?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I could but I'd rather give the bugs to chickens and eat them instead
1 year ago
Anonymous
>milk has pus in it
where did this talking point come from? i see it a lot lately. it just sounds like one of those things that's technically true (like all canned goods have trace amounts of rat feces in them) but is worded in an incendiary way so as to get people to have a knee-jerk emotional response
1 year ago
Anonymous
dairy cows develop mastitis and the puss oozes into the milk, also dairy cows projectile diarrhea eveywhere so shit is bound to land in your milkies
1 year ago
Anonymous
>dairy cows develop mastitis
So it is only sick cows with the pozzed milk. It's not normal >also dairy cows projectile diarrhea eveywhere so shit is bound to land in your milkies
How would land on the milk? There's 2 ways to milk a cow
You either get a bucked under the cow (very far from the butthole) and milk her that way.
Or you put the cow on a machine that sends the milk to a tank very far from the butthole.
There's no way to get poop on the milk
1 year ago
Anonymous
most if not all dairy cows will develop mastitis cause they are man made horrors tortured for their entire existence
HMMM I WONDER HOW COULD COW SHIT GET INTO MY MILK???? https://youtu.be/n1REyW2YlYc?t=1772
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah even in this slum the cow's shitting very far from any milk.
Also these activists pick the worst examples possible to turn people, I've been to a dairy farm when I was a kid and it was pretty neat
Here's a normal dairy farm in my country
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The cows are milked then they frick off to the fields to take a walk
1 year ago
Anonymous
i mean brazil allows the most puss and shit in cow's milk
but yeah sure, if a scripted video announce weeks before is your argument then yeah sure the vid i posted is from a first world country, couldnt imagine the biological horrors going on in brapzil
1 year ago
Anonymous
With how many vegans come from the USA it's probably the other way around, Americans love to do shit poorly for max profit
If you treat cows better they last longer, make more milk and don't waste your money with sickness
https://i.imgur.com/0rY6XgN.jpg
The "imaginary cow" is real moron, cows have been bred for thousands of years to make as much milk as possible, if you don't milk them they literally die.
Same with sheep, if you don't shear them they die.
Now you can say it's human's fault sure they are dependant on us, but it's a fact they do die if we don't care for these farm animals.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean, i wouldnt call getting a cow aroused through rubbing her cervix by shoving your fist in her butthole, then forcefully impregnating her, then.. uuh taking her baby away effectively traumatizing her, then? milk her to death for like what 5-6 years? then killing her for burger? doesnt sound like good treatment to me to be honest
1 year ago
Anonymous
You care more than the cow does
1 year ago
Anonymous
>traumatizing her
wtf are we still talking about cows
1 year ago
Anonymous
stop personifying animals and treat their place in the food chain with proper respect you freak of nature. you decry this but probably support late term abortions too. reflect on your arrogant transhumanist perspective and start trying to appreciate the world we live in and create. it's good to call out animal abuse but when identifying it you must be consider how it's relative to how the food chain functions in reality. these industries simply must exist for the benefit of mankind and thus the entire planet, if you aren't trolling then don't be such a naive tool.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ahh, no, the animal whomstveth i have bred to require unnatural conditions now needs my unnatural conditions to not be in misery
we must expand our operations so that every cow is provided a safe and humane life in a big red barn eating hay and mooing happily 🙂
1 year ago
Anonymous
it looks so natural and healthee, im glad im paying for this so i wont look like those heckin vegarinos with droopy eyes >:(
1 year ago
Anonymous
Primal as fuark
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Ahh, no, the animal whomstveth i have bred to require unnatural conditions now needs my unnatural conditions to not be in misery
The image said that wasn't real though
it looks so natural and healthee, im glad im paying for this so i wont look like those heckin vegarinos with droopy eyes >:(
Slaughering animals is completely natural, it's probably healthy too so you don't become a vegan pussy that hates his own kind
Althought I've never seen a butchering done like that, just looks moronic and dangerous
1 year ago
Anonymous
appeal to nature fallacy
also, it's not ok to kill innocent animals just like it wouldnt be ok for me to kill your mum cause she resembles pic related
1 year ago
Anonymous
> it's not ok to kill innocent animals
It is ok
1 year ago
Anonymous
>innocent animals
what does "innocent" mean in this context? we don't kill them because they did something wrong we kill them so we can eat them. it seems like a meaningless descriptor there for purely emotional reasons
1 year ago
Anonymous
Animals aren't the same as humans. I don't give a frick how many of them die, and a lot of "vegans" seem to suffer from some weird delusion that animals are on the same tier as humans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
can you formulate an argument that makes it ok for us to kill animals other than "muh health" or "muh intelligence"
cause i can easily make those arguments for raping and killing children
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not really. Dumb animals will always be dumb animals. They are literally food for us and other carnivors/ominvores. I know you're quite smug over there, but even the dumbest child isn't as dumb as the animals we eat, and dumb children don't remain dumb children.
1 year ago
Anonymous
well a baby is weaker and less intelligent than me right? why would it be wrong to rape it? maybe grill it once im done huh?
1 year ago
Anonymous
> and dumb children don't remain dumb children.
1 year ago
Anonymous
How do you know?
ah right, can you provide a source for this claim? oh you cant? you made it up? oh right
raping children improves mental health and longevity all these people who sleep with kids looks pale and sickly dont need to give a source for this im based gigachad
who dont sleep with* i mean
1 year ago
Anonymous
How do I know that dumb children don't gain education and join the societal fold? Gosh, you got me.
What a moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
well you have no guarantee every kid will turn out that way just like you dont have any guarantee a pig wont grow up to give us the secrets of the universe
i'm literally asking why is it ok to kill and eat a pig but not a human
1 year ago
Anonymous
Imagine im an outwordly alien being that doesnt view the world as a human, i simply ask you why should i kill the pig and not the human whats the difference
1 year ago
Anonymous
Pigs are a lesser species. Many carnivores eat pig, not just humans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Pigs are a lesser species.
why?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because they aren't us
1 year ago
Anonymous
applies to you aswell
good than what's the point of arguing with you? you shouldnt be allowed in human society
1 year ago
Anonymous
Tell you what, the day a pig can write a short story or even hold a conversation, I'll go vegan. Until then, bacon is on the menu all day and every day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i wouldnt know, i dont speak the pig language, but there are humans who are not able to do that
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Until then, bacon is on the menu all day and every day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What’s your view on abortion
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because it is human. You fricking moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You seem to think people should care for everything equally, when that's just stupid.
There's a healthy order that should be followed, deviation leads to damnation
1. Close family > Distant family > Community(Tribe) > Race > Nation > Species
1 year ago
Anonymous
ah right, can you provide a source for this claim? oh you cant? you made it up? oh right
raping children improves mental health and longevity all these people who sleep with kids looks pale and sickly dont need to give a source for this im based gigachad
1 year ago
Anonymous
>ah right, can you provide a source for this claim?
Yes I can, every successful human tribe/nation/empire has followed that order of importance for things
As soon as that collapses it leads to internal destruction. This vegan shit is pretty novel though, but you can be sure if it catches on it's literal suicide lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
ok, post the source, i'd love to read it
>the vegan thinks 225x6 is some unattainable feat
Imagine my shock
i didnt claim that, i just claimed i benched 405 back in highschool, just like you claimed to be benching 225 for sets of 6
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well that’s an impressive bench, are you pissed that the best you can do now is a single cheat rep of 225 since you went vegan?
1 year ago
Anonymous
it's not cheat it's touch and go, and i didnt bounce it i'm just really dynamic
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wow cool anyway I’m gonna go bench 225 (more than once in a row) and then eat eggs
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's a weird coping mechanism of dealing with child abuse, but sure go ahead
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah eating eggs really helps me with my trauma of getting raped by a sexually starved hen in sixth grade but at the end of the day, I can bench more than you
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I can bench more than you
allegedly
Why are you so upset? I'd never eat anything as unhealthy as a vegan, you're safe
plants?
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is like those guys on IST who request bread on hood of $15k cars
Reassess your life, my malnourished friend
1 year ago
Anonymous
i just said "allegedly", why you so butthurt as to compare me to your personal anecdotes
1 year ago
Anonymous
I drive an accord coupe before you ask
Pretty unbelievable flex, I know
1 year ago
Anonymous
thats cool, i travel via fast travel and parkour on rooftops
1 year ago
Anonymous
>This vegan shit is pretty novel though, but you can be sure if it catches on it's literal suicide lol
Fact: Humans have never eaten as much meat per capita as now
Also fact: Society is currently in a gigantic decline into disease and insanity
Also fact: Your peasant ancestors ate barely any meat and sometimes were forbidden by law to consume it (Ireland, Germany)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why do you think they were forbidden from having it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Why do you think they were forbidden from having it
Because it was expensive, the King hated poaching, and the nobility wanted all the meat for themselves.
And before you come up with some extremely homosexual bullshit about it making them strong, you should go read up on the nobility and their dreadful diseases that none of the peasants suffered from.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Also fact: Society is currently in a gigantic decline into disease and insanity
Ignoring the unprecedented levels of pollution in our food, air and water, decline in trust in our institutions, collapsing wages, friendships becoming almost non-existent, inflation making things like cars or home unobtanium, a culture centered on pleasure seeking over all else, the rise of addictions, an explosion of suicides in the younger generation, you might have had a point.
This is just confirmation bias taken to a whole notha level.
1 year ago
Anonymous
A child is a human being and a cow isn’t, that’s why. What you are posting would be an obvious troll if it was on any other subject but vegans/vegetarians actually believe this shit.
Boggles my mind when people limit their diet like this, I can eat all the vegan stuff too, but I also get real food.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the puss [sic] oozes into the milk >shit is bound to land in your milkies
in what quantity? is this just something that someone "feels" is true because it's logical (cows shit/cows get sick therefore there is shit/pus in milk)? are the amounts trace? what effect do they have in their presence on overall health?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Have you ever heard of pasteurization anon?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>milk pasteurization
yeah it was invented by the israelites to destroy the nutrients and make the goyim weak
1 year ago
Anonymous
So it only happens for mass exploitation cows from big factory that are illegal in pretty much every civilised country, which is why it happens in the US.
Also imagine being a moron that buy supermarket ~~*milk*~~ especially in north america
1 year ago
Anonymous
You didn't answer his question at all moron.
Vegan brain moment.
1 year ago
Anonymous
well, you kinda need a brain or some sort of nerves to experience this reality, considering everything, plants are as alive as your smartphone
>uhhh there is nothing I can say to disprove you so how about I tell you to go look up definitions
right, next you will go tell me that anti-fascists can't be fascists because its literally in da name
veganism stands for reduction of harm as much as possible and practicable, if some moron rat jumps in front of heavy harvesting machinery it's his fault 1 for being stupid and 2 for being on private property, it does not compare in anyway to vid related https://youtu.be/ECJwRKngYBs
1 year ago
Anonymous
>veganism stands for reduction of harm as much as possible and practicable
but you don't actually achieve any of that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes I do
1 year ago
Anonymous
prove it, prove your actions have reduced harm as much as possible and practicable
1 year ago
Anonymous
I used to eat a chicken every day. Now I eat plants. Now the chicken doesn't because of my diet.
1 year ago
Anonymous
how many living things were harmed in providing those plants for you? How much self harm do you to do to yourself(or your family members) by avoiding certain foods.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Less living things that were harmed in providing the plants that provide the feed for all the chickens I had eaten. I don't force my diet on my family. I have no measurable harm on my body years after this diet
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Less living things that were harmed in providing the plants that provide the feed for all the chickens I had eaten.
Are you sure about that..... Because I'm pretty sure more living beings suffered for you to enjoy your plants.
1 year ago
Anonymous
a meatard purposefully kills about 200 animals a year on average
a vegan, uuh 0?
1 year ago
Anonymous
vegans btfo, they should pick up their slack
1 year ago
Anonymous
thousands in fact, they just dont eat them, they kill them and the animals don't even get used.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>veganism stands for reduction of harm as much as possible and practicable
but you don't actually achieve any of that.
>farming grains to feed animals to feed humans = good and humane >farming a fraction of the grains to feed humans directly = holy shit what about the grasshoppers and squirrels? Literally satan
Your kind should be thrown off cliffs. Not for eating meat but for being dishonest filth.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Not for eating meat but for being dishonest filth.
you're on IST, you can only have a reasonable discussion with bots or feds
1 year ago
Anonymous
>xer thinks cow feed is the same shit that humans eat
bro, don't you know they eat the inedible parts of the plant? Grain crops are 90% inedible, we only eat the seeds
And chicken/pig feed is very efficient, way better than eating the plant directly and getting low-tier nutrients from it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>way better than eating the plant directly and getting low-tier nutrients from it
All of the plant foods we eat have more vitamins and nutrients than any animal food, even organ meat.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>All of the plant foods we eat have more vitamins and nutrients than any animal food, even organ meat.
lol
lmao, even
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
>posts a mentally ill criminal that tried to kill his wife and kid >proceeds to say "lmao, even"
1 year ago
Anonymous
You have no grasp of biochemistry. Thanks for the kek
1 year ago
Anonymous
And you do? Feel free to deboonk my argument, maybe I'll turn vegan
1 year ago
Anonymous
Where do you think the nutrients in that liver come from?
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
>cows >fed grains
moron, you are supposed to feed them grass and I dont see humans going out in the field and eating the grass instead of cows
1 year ago
Anonymous
>moron, you are supposed to feed them grass
Great idea!
Hope you enjoy paying 3x more for your grass-fed and finished beef, assuming there aren't massive shortages because you can't produce enough to feed the hungry goyim with that approach.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Great idea! >Hope you enjoy paying 3x more for your grass-fed and finished beef
why are vegans so stingy? You are okay with killing people and other animals for your vegan goals, but the moment the idea of paying more for quality meat and happy cows you flip and froth at the mouth.
Not that I believe it will be considerably more expensive.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Your kind should be thrown off cliffs. Not for eating meat but for being dishonest filth.
"I care about life and want to reduce suffering" vegan
lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
>bugs and vermin killed in farming don't count as animals
uhhh vegan bros??
1 year ago
Anonymous
>purposefully
1 year ago
Anonymous
yes, you bought the crop knowing that
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well, i dont actually know how many rats died for my carrots, could be 0
1 year ago
Anonymous
Animals are sentient
Why does it matter if animals feel some things or not? It's irrelevant
All living beings 'want' is to live and breed, plants are no different in this.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It matters to me because I don't want to cause them unnecessary pain.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I dont want to cause a specific subset of animals pain >frick humans though >ans other animals >and all other life forms, I don't give a shit about them, in fact their pain is justified to protect this subset of animals >but I also look down on people who choose a different subset of animals to protect, and neglect mine >why yes I'm a vegan how could you tell?
1 year ago
Anonymous
LOL put word in my mouth homosexual. No logic. Dig your heels in bro
1 year ago
Anonymous
This
No remark for animals losing their habitat for monoculture crops.
Don't even think so far ahead to think that if their goal is successful it will result in a mass livestock die off. We won't be able to release the cows in the wild, because there won't be any meadows for them to graze left, just corn/soja fields.
Vegan = pure mental illness
1 year ago
Anonymous
i mean, if you see some guy playing fetch with his plant and calling it a good boy you would consider him crazy wouldnt you? but sure, do keep going i love laughing at carnitrannies
1 year ago
Anonymous
There's people that talk to plants and think it helps them grow or whatever
And plants to have some sense of the enverionment and adapt, if you keep burning them for example like some form of turture it will affect the plant
1 year ago
Anonymous
keep talking, you're hilarious? if i start ripping bark off a tree it would be like one of those chinese gore vids
1 year ago
Anonymous
I could argue that it is lol, it scars the tree and if you remove enough bark it can actually die
You just don't care because your arbitrary empathy receptors aren't wired to care about it
If I brainwashed a population into thinking plants are equal to humans they would cry while watching the tree having its skin slowly peeled off though
1 year ago
Anonymous
>veganism stands for reduction of harm as much as possible and practicable, if some moron rat jumps in front of heavy harvesting machinery it's his fault 1 for being stupid and 2 for being on private property, it does not compare in anyway to vid related
LMAO
Vegans really can't come up with anything smartwhen confronted by real arguments.
The guy wrecked you c**t. >It's not okay to kill and eat animals even though the human body is optmized for mea eating (Ratio of digestive system to overall size and a brain with high energy needs) just like other predators. >But it's completely fine to kill animals when you're farming because you didn't intendo hur anybody
The Classic Logical Fallacy of Judging others by their Actions and Judging yourself by your Intentions.
See, Meat Eaters ALSO don't intend to harm anyone, any animal, but we still do.
YOU don't intend to hurt animals either but you sll do, and then turn around and pretend like it's completely different.
Therefore : YOU judge Yourself based on your INTENTIONS, but you're judging Meat Eaters based on the RESULT of their ACTIONS.
That's completely unfar.
We BOTH want to reduce suffering.
We BOTH have to break eggs to make an omelette.
You can't make a omelette without breaking eggs.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Stop being Intellectually Dishonest.
This is the problem with Vegantards, you're grumpy and stupid because you lack Vitamin B12 among others things.
Unironically re-evaluate your life choices and/or KYS.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You type a lot of words but you didn't say anything, vegans get more nutrients in general than than average meat eaters, there's studies on the subject, also meat is unhealthy plus murdering animals is immoral
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You type a lot of words but you didn't say anything
You have problems reading because I clearly exposed your Hypocrisy. Cry more.
>vegans get more nutrients in general than than average meat eaters
You know that this is scinifically untrue.
Animals products are Nutrient Dense.
And I have the proof to back it up while YOUR sources are : "Trust me Bro".
Here : >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8398225/ >Consumers are shifting towards plant-based diets, driven by both environmental and health reasons. This has led to the development of new plant-based meat alternatives (PBMAs) that are marketed as being sustainable and good for health. However, it remains unclear whether these novel PBMAs to replace animal foods carry the same established nutritional benefits as traditional plant-based diets based on pulses, legumes and vegetables. >Conclusions : >our findings suggest that it is easy for the uninformed consumer to unintentionally increase public health-sensitive nutrients such as fat, sodium and sugar while also decreasing the nutrient density of the diet. Recent innovation in the plant-based product space has focused more on organoleptic properties (texture, taste and appearance) and formats (nuggets and burgers), rather than developing innovative ways to enhance the nutrient density of plant-derived foods, and ensuring a balanced nutrient profile similar to products of animal origin. Many newer plant-based products are similar to animal products in calories, but lower in protein, calcium, potassium, magnesium, zinc and Vitamin B12 while being higher in sodium and fat after being prepared. If habitually consumed, this could create nutrient shortfalls for consumers motivated to follow healthier, more sustainable diets
And this above study is specfically about "Plant products made to replace animal products".
So it's already looking a best case scenario, not worsd case scenario.
Get fricked.
Cope and seethe.
Pic also destroys your point.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>links study warning that processed plant-foods probably aren't as good as unrefined plant-foods >??? >seriously ??? >Animals products are Nutrient Dense
Can we get the moronic Hegel memer to lampoon this homosexual
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Animals products are Nutrient Dense.
You mean some animal products are nutrient dense, you are not getting anything from butter in terms of nutrients, the same is the case from plant foods >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8398225/
This looks like a narrative review, is not even a study, and is just talking about "newer plant based products" whatever that means >"Plant products made to replace animal products".
No one is saying you should replace the entirety of your diet with novel processed foods, you are just strawmaning >Pic also destroys your point.
Your pic just a strawman, I never said broccoli is a good source of protein lmao
Do you want to me show you a real study? I can barely take you seriously so idk if I should bother really, you talk like a moron and keep posting moronic meme pictures
Pathetic attempt at a meme.
Lemme show you how it's done Vegantroony :
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anti-keto meme was accurate. Yours is straw man. All we vegans need is B12 supplementation. Iodine only if eating very low-salt diet (cue raw vegan morons as usual). D supplement is recommend for all dietary groups in the winter in northern hemisphere.
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Anti-keto meme was accurate.
???? You're moronic, you're not even talking about the right post/meme.
And I don't even "Defend Keto".
You're just a Schzophrenic Paranoid Narcissist that sees "Ketolards everywhere.
Tell me Vegantard, are the "Ketolards" in the room with us right now?
LMAO
>Yours is straw man
LMAO no , but keep the cope and seethe coming.
>All we vegans need is B12 supplementation.
So you already admit that your Diet is defficient. That's an automatic Win for me and an Automaic Loss for you.
GG, but let's continue with the other micronutrients.
>Researchers found that avoiding all animal foods may lead to nutritional deficiencies in vitamin B12, omega-3, calcium, zinc, iron, magnesium, and high-quality protein.
https://www.saintlukeskc.org/about/news/research-shows-vegan-diet-leads-nutritional-deficiencies-health-problems-plant-forward
>Conclusions: Following a vegan diet may result in deficiencies in micronutrients (vitamin B12, zinc, calcium and selenium) which should not be disregarded. >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33341313/
>Vegan defficiencies lead to Gut Microbiome Problems >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7073751/
>Regarding macronutrients, vegan diets are lower in protein intake compared with all other diet types. Veganism is also associated with low intake of vitamins B2, Niacin (B3), B12, D, iodine, zinc, calcium, potassium, selenium. Vitamin B12 intake among vegans is significantly lower (0.24–0.49 μg, recommendations are 2.4 μg) and calcium intake in the majority of vegans was below recommendations (750 mg/d). >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561420306567
>Intake, and status of certain nutrients is lower compared to meat-containing diets, with an increased risk of inadequacy for vitamin B12, vitamin D, EPA, DHA, calcium, iron (particularly in women), zinc and iodine. >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/
Ge fricked
1 year ago
Anonymous
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/ >Intake, and status of certain nutrients is lower compared to meat-containing diets, with an increased risk of inadequacy for vitamin B12, vitamin D, EPA, DHA, calcium, iron (particularly in women), zinc and iodine.
Lmao did you just cherry picked one part of the conclusion of that study, let me complete the full text of the conclusion for you, you fricking liar >Of these nutrients, also meat-eaters were found to be at risk of inadequate vitamin D and calcium intake. > On the other hand, people following plant-based diets, particularly vegan diets, had higher intakes of PUFA, ALA, fiber, folate, vitamin E and magnesium, which were found to be at risk of inadequacy among meat-eaters > Additionally, the intake of vitamin B1, B6 and C was considerably higher, especially in vegans.
LOL, your own link says vegans get more nutrients in general than meat eaters, you just got destroyed lel
I agree with this anon but I'm not vegan. I know I should be but I'm too much of a hypocrite to actually do something.
The only way I could be even shittier was if I made up some rationalization that made me feel better than people who actually sacrifice for what they believe in.
Is this video bait? That is quite literally not a 2 plate bench. I would imagine most highschoolers could bounce two plate without practice for one rep. In fact, I doubt most meat eaters would struggle that much doing it.
That's what im talking about, you morons never argued with a vegan in your life you just jerk off to toughts of your own sounding intellectual and owning the heckin lefterinos, literally go rope
Genuinely I think you're just not smart enough the read in between the lines regarding what people are actually saying about you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>listen man, i think it's wrong and not necessary to do this to innocent animals
>"WHAT BUT Y-YOUR EXISTENCE IS HARMFUL, THE CROP DEATHS, PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO, PERHAPS MY FAVORITE CHIROPRACTOR ON YOUTUBE SAID CHOLESTEROL IS GOOD FOR ME"
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's ridiculous, but it's not like you have an argument either
That is not a “2 plate bench” homosexual. Nor is a 2 plate 1RM impressive even if you don’t bounce it off the bars six inches above your chest.
I ate four slices of bread two hours ago before you call me a “ketolard”
>uhhh there is nothing I can say to disprove you so how about I tell you to go look up definitions
right, next you will go tell me that anti-fascists can't be fascists because its literally in da name
Plants feel pain, but can't scream so it's okay to kill them, right? It's okay to kill wild plants(and the little animals there) to grow your own slave plants, right?
Let me guess, you're "" minimizing the suffering" because beings that can't make noise are inferior.
Listen mate I'm against factory cattle, not only is factory meat dogshit in every aspect except pricing; but I do care an animal gets to live a fulfilling life.
If only because it tastes better that way, or factory is just unnecessarily cruel.
But that is not a 2 plate bench, that is a FAILED bench; I understand using guard rails without a spotter, its safety. The problem is you failed that rep on the descend, so much it would have injured or killed you without the rails, then proceeded to bounce off said rails to put it back on the rack. The rails are not even deep, they are set for a 90 degree rep and you couldn't manage that.
>unjust murder of innocent beings
being is necessarily obtrusive; "being" obtrusively is the natural order of things and is therefore just insofar as it would be utterly nonsensical to artificially delimit your ability to "be" and therethrough "do good." If we apply the vegan moral argument and take it to its logical conclusion, we see that it is, at best, morally neutral and that the only way to affect this neutrality is (and I'm not kidding) to have a nice day.
The rules of justice that we are referring to that protect humans are corollary rules of politicization. You apply them to animal life with an even greater degree of arbitrariness than that which meat-eaters tend to apply
[...] >quoting Hegel >the gay whose ideas made the precursor to globohomosexual modern day
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you know nothing of truth and even less of good. you masquerade as architects but are aestheticians concerned only with painting ugliness so that it might not insult your puerile sensibilities as you walk down the street. you are no better than the carnivore who paints ugliness with the same arbitrary reason
incidentally i will enlighten you: the lens that allows you to see that which you would be otherwise unable to - let us say, a falling of dominoes from start to finish - does not itself make the dominoes fall
I got lucky and knew a vegan in 2010 when it wasn't that common yet. We were at a normal teenage house party and for some reason he wrestled with another kid and broke his own arm like a twig. The vegan kid was taller but not as strong, which was an odd sight at that age. The pair stumbled to the ground pretty quickly and as soon as they hit the ground there was a loud snap and the vegan kid started screaming. One of the bones in his forearm bones had an open fracture and was poking into the skin. It wasn't even a real fight, it was a friendly wrestle that every kid did every now and then with nobody actually getting hurt. I don't remember anyone making the connection then that he was probably malnourished, but it stuck with me to this day. It taught me to take diet seriously.
yeah it's easy to talk shit when you've never touched a barbell in your life lazy ketolard
[...]
veganism stands for the reduction of harm as much as practicable but your a stupid moron and talk about shit you know nothing of
>veganism stands for the reduction of harm
ah yes, look at the gay caring only about a very specific subset of animals and not all the other animals and living beings.
No, if anything vegans have the right to kill everyone who consumes meat since you are supporting and participating in murder, so killing meat eaters is an act of self defense
You should also kill every animal that eats meat. Hell, maybe you should kill every living thing so you can prevent suffering forever? Eg. have a nice day.
But what if the psyop is the more popular opinion? That being the never ending daily consumption of animal products. It’s obvious the human body is so powerful that we can ingest crazy high doses of literal poison and still live a long happy life. What is optimal? I don’t know. I’ve been WFPB for 3 months now, I feel pretty much the same since I’ve been dealing with orthorexia since before I started this new plan. Eating whole foods that are as minimally processed as possible (be that freshly hunted deer meat or raw fruit) is the most important component of healthy nutrition, and is also the most obfuscated and inaccessible part thanks to the ~~*FDA*~~.
Notice how this Black person homosexual moxyte posts the same pictures in every post about any diet, keto related or not. If you engage him on Reddit he will cry out as he strikes you.
You can tell immediately when it’s him because he’s so autistic that he types and posts in specific patterns that no NORMAL person would continue doing for this long.
Anyways here’s the keto breakfast I had this morning.
98% of vegaBlack folk look like shit, are weak, frail, and mentally fricked. There is nothing any of you can do or say to stop me from eating 3500 calories on a daily basis with the overwhelming majority of which being animal products. It feels euphoric being unquestionably, irrefutably right about this.
Nope, remember that clown vegan gainz or whatever he was called? Well known to be on gear, denied it for years and then admitted in near the end of his youtube popularity.
yes dude cause eating steak fed zoy imported from brazil is more sustainable than eating potatos and beans
im such and urbanite for telling an intellectual runt such as yourself to stop needlessly torturing animals and maybe eat a carrot once in a while
So the difference between the extremes (veganism vs a lot of ruminant meat) is only 100% increase? Seems negligible. I thought it would be literally tens of times more emissions if you ate a lot of ruminant meat since that's how it's always advertised.
And they don't consider the positives of ruminant meat
It does almost no harm to the enverionment if you feed them on grass from the grassplains that already exists. Only le cowfarts meme which is nothing really
Compare a herd to massive monocultural crops and the herd wins everytime >b-but they get feed
Not necessary. In fact all beef is fed on grass for 90% of its life and only gets fat on feed when it is about to be killed.
And ruminants eat mostly the inedible parts of the crops that we do not eat.
Vegetables don't contain any nutrients bioavailable to humans, in fact they have compounds in them that hinder the absorption of vitamins and minerals when actual food like meat or dairy is consumed.
Reading through this thread and seeing all the vegan propaganda has been a treat.
I thought these people weren't real, or were so contained in their facebook groups that seeing them in the wild was like catching Bigfoot on a UFO.
That "missing nutrients" list is total bogus. >vitamins available from plants or sun with, only A and B12 are correct >just that vitamin A is toxic for humans if not consumed as retinol precursor easily available from plants, not so much from animals >4/4 amino acids listed are not essential, we synthesize them >what the frick is vitamin F? >heme-iron and saturated fat are harmful >CoQ10, CLA are usually in skin lotions
The whole listing is copypasted from some skin or hair product ingredients and carnitards repeat it like morons they are.
Best diet for longevity is a mixed diet.
All professional level athletes aren't plant based.
No sane person eats meat in every meal and if we were better at restriction (looking at you, americ**ts), factory farming etc. Wouldn't be needed.
I personally buy only meat that was kept in better conditions and costs more (we have to label it where i live), same goes for eggs.
Everyone's ancestors spent most of the last 2 million years eating almost nothing but meat and fish. But yeah, no sane person would do such a thing. It's just crazy bro. Better listen to the experts bro, don't do anything crazy like stop eating heart-healthy cash crops or imported nuts bro. All those carnivores are just trying to destroy our global food economy bro. They think health matters more than profit LOL freakin nazis...
Do you even need a study to know what people ate in the past?
Just go take a walk in some wild forest or plains, there's no food for one grown man, let alone a tribe. Only reliable food source are the animals
Maybe it's different in more tropical regions but idk man
>Do you even need a study to know what people ate in the past?
Mostly grains, vegetables, dairy, and fruits depending on the region. >Just go take a walk in some wild forest or plains, there's no food for one grown man, let alone a tribe. Only reliable food source are the animals
This is a mentally ill statement.
>mostly grains
there's no grains in nature, it's just inedible grass in the wild >vegetables
many are inedible or shit-tier, if you can even find them >dairy
I think you're on a different time period bro >fruits
yeah... depends a lot on season and there's not that many even on their proper season. some are ok and some are shit too
>This is a mentally ill statement.
prove me wrong, you never went out in actual nature have you?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>there's no grains in nature, it's just inedible grass in the wild >many are inedible or shit-tier, if you can even find them
So blatantly wrong and moronic it's not worthy of a response. >yeah... depends a lot on season and there's not that many even on their proper season. some are ok and some are shit too
Someone needs to find you Sv3rige and bash your face in once and for all. Rid the world of your stupidity.
>Ain't nobody out there seasoning theory fruits lmao
You seasoned them with thousands of years of domestication. Try some wild fruit to see how lame it is
Bro why are you comparing a young chicken to a fully grown one? They didn't change that much since the 50s >primate class
Tryna evolve past that monkey business
Modern chicken are hatched from genetically modified eggs to grow over 5x their usual weight at 3x the growth rate. To the point where if they aren't slaughtered mere weeks after hatching they'll die from collapsed bones or heart disease.
Your steaks from Angus cows are very similar as well, over 4x the fat content of ye olde cows.
But go ahead and fearmonger because fruit has about 20% more sugar than before and is selectively bred to be bigger.
>Try some wild fruit to see how lame it is
Lmao not everyone is an urbanite american. Picking wild berries with my grandpa was one of my favorite things as a kid. Also, ever had wild meat, like boar or deer? I mean i love it, but most people don't. Animals are domesticated for the same reason. Or do americans believe that cows and pigs just always looked like that lmao
https://i.imgur.com/HrMHow4.png
Modern chicken are hatched from genetically modified eggs to grow over 5x their usual weight at 3x the growth rate. To the point where if they aren't slaughtered mere weeks after hatching they'll die from collapsed bones or heart disease.
Your steaks from Angus cows are very similar as well, over 4x the fat content of ye olde cows.
But go ahead and fearmonger because fruit has about 20% more sugar than before and is selectively bred to be bigger.
Americans believe and know only one thing: Love and adoration for the Antichrist
Any vegan food except fruits will provide more than adequate protein. You can look this up in cronometer it's not hard at all
Still waiting for someone to deboonk this:
>mostly grains
there's no grains in nature, it's just inedible grass in the wild >vegetables
many are inedible or shit-tier, if you can even find them >dairy
I think you're on a different time period bro >fruits
yeah... depends a lot on season and there's not that many even on their proper season. some are ok and some are shit too
>This is a mentally ill statement.
prove me wrong, you never went out in actual nature have you?
Where's all the veggies in the wild?
Kek they make entire TV programs centered around survival in the wild and guess what people find to eat? Animals (90%), mushrooms, bugs and fruit the other 10%
Tubers, nuts, seeds, flowers. You can eat all that but good luck living on that stuff
90% it's gonna be animals, in a survival wild situation where you can't farm crops
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Tubers, nuts, seeds, flowers. You can eat all that but good luck living on that stuff
That's exactly what the blue zones are doing and they have the highest lifespan, greatest health, least heart disease/cancer, and most centenarians.
>Try some wild fruit to see how lame it is
Lmao not everyone is an urbanite american. Picking wild berries with my grandpa was one of my favorite things as a kid. Also, ever had wild meat, like boar or deer? I mean i love it, but most people don't. Animals are domesticated for the same reason. Or do americans believe that cows and pigs just always looked like that lmao
I should also add, most studies show that you should be getting 1.5g of protein per kg of lean body mass for max health benefits.
For me that's 120g of protein in a 2500 calorie diet so I need my diet to be approx 20% protein.
I'd like to see where you're getting your studies from because everything I've read is 0.8 per kg/lbm to 1.2. Even using your figures you could do peas, beans, wild rice, any whole wheat product (even bread will supply 105g per 2500 cals), quinoa, lentils, soi products if you eat them, most vegetables are majority protein too; All meeting your quota.
There's this notion that meat = protein and plant foods = carbs. That isn't true there is protein in all of these foods which adds up to a sufficient amount. You definitely will have to eat more in comparison because fiber adds a lot of bulk but the foods will be cheaper, easier to make, and very healthy.
>you spent all that time writing that HAHAH
I'd rather type a long post once in a whle rather to be a Seething Obsessed Psycho-moron that screams "Ketolard" everytime someone mentions Veganism, even though not a single soul said the word "Keto" except you.
I have a nice life, I have fun, I am fulfilled.
You're a schizo moron shill vegan that's menally ill due to lack of B12.
We're not the same, you israeli Herbivore Punk.
Fell for the vegan meme for 6 years, though everything was good until I had a blood test, yep low iron levels diagnosed with anemia. Got pun on iron injections and never felt soo good
How? Did you eat legumes at all? I was vegetarian for 1 year and my iron was really high when I blood tested it, and no, dairy has little to no iron so you should have eaten legumes
>low iron levels diagnosed with anemia
The only real concern apart from B12 IMO and common in raw vegans.
Iron in plants is in a less bioavailable form so you either eat more leafy greens or beans to compensate. Recommendations for iron are 7mg for omnis while recommendations for vegans are 15mg.
So much anti-vegan hate. Ironically it reminds me of the attitude of militant vegans from the mid 2000's. Vegans are like just normal people now, the actual righteous nut-jobs either go raw-foodist or carni.
I can respect vegan people's choice to do it to themselves but I draw the line when they subject children to that. What's wrong is man's desire to "have more" which lead to overpopulation which is 100% the cause of suffering in the world, see struggle for limited resources. The gruesome meat grinders that make up the industry and the barbaric practices that go on in there stem from the huge demand of food. Veganism could theoretically put a halt to that at the cost of bringing on never before seen levels of deforestation, which would eventually speed up the water warfare, massive immigration and therefore more bloodshed. Overpopulation brings the horrors and veganism can't do shit about it. There are also countless additional plagues that are way worse than muh animals suffering. Veganism is often virtue signaling to the extreme
>Veganism could theoretically put a halt to that at the cost of bringing on never before seen levels of deforestation
How exactly would cutting resource consumption for food production by half cause deforestation?
You think they're deforesting the Amazon for potato fields?
>Reaching protein quota through plants alone is extremely hard, especially due to low absorption rate
Not true. See
https://i.imgur.com/0znWFrc.jpg
I'd like to see where you're getting your studies from because everything I've read is 0.8 per kg/lbm to 1.2. Even using your figures you could do peas, beans, wild rice, any whole wheat product (even bread will supply 105g per 2500 cals), quinoa, lentils, soi products if you eat them, most vegetables are majority protein too; All meeting your quota.
There's this notion that meat = protein and plant foods = carbs. That isn't true there is protein in all of these foods which adds up to a sufficient amount. You definitely will have to eat more in comparison because fiber adds a lot of bulk but the foods will be cheaper, easier to make, and very healthy.
Even if you're going for optimal bodybuilding protein levels you can easily meet that through extremely cheap, plentiful, and healthy staples.
Throughout this thread I've seen a lot of coping but no real arguments against the environmental, ethical, health, and most importantly, mentality impacts on veganism.
>Animals products are Nutrient Dense.
You mean some animal products are nutrient dense, you are not getting anything from butter in terms of nutrients, the same is the case from plant foods >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8398225/
This looks like a narrative review, is not even a study, and is just talking about "newer plant based products" whatever that means >"Plant products made to replace animal products".
No one is saying you should replace the entirety of your diet with novel processed foods, you are just strawmaning >Pic also destroys your point.
Your pic just a strawman, I never said broccoli is a good source of protein lmao
Do you want to me show you a real study? I can barely take you seriously so idk if I should bother really, you talk like a moron and keep posting moronic meme pictures
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/ >Intake, and status of certain nutrients is lower compared to meat-containing diets, with an increased risk of inadequacy for vitamin B12, vitamin D, EPA, DHA, calcium, iron (particularly in women), zinc and iodine.
Lmao did you just cherry picked one part of the conclusion of that study, let me complete the full text of the conclusion for you, you fricking liar >Of these nutrients, also meat-eaters were found to be at risk of inadequate vitamin D and calcium intake. > On the other hand, people following plant-based diets, particularly vegan diets, had higher intakes of PUFA, ALA, fiber, folate, vitamin E and magnesium, which were found to be at risk of inadequacy among meat-eaters > Additionally, the intake of vitamin B1, B6 and C was considerably higher, especially in vegans.
LOL, your own link says vegans get more nutrients in general than meat eaters, you just got destroyed lel
Cattle has to be used in the crop rotation, otherwise your land turns into a dustbowl.
Jesus Christ how stupid are you people. The only land used only for cattle is land that cant grow crops to begin with, because human-grade crops have a far higher profit margin.
The only way vegan would work if it’s like Bryan Johnson’s routine cause he takes 100 supplements tailored to him to provide the nutrients to his body
He looks worse though on his PUFA-maxxing diet.
wtf I believe PUFA bad now
Left just looks like normal dude and right is terrifying.
>pills and powders are completely interchangeable and equivalent to real food, studies told me so!
>there are no complex inter-dependencies or synergies between vitamins and micronutrients found in real foods, just take supplements!
your brain of veganism. another health problem? just consooom another supplement bro. What a traditional real food diet? That's right wing bro. Don't be racist.
a single pill of creatine contains more than a portion of steak, suplements > meatq
>taking "pills" of creatine
You can put it in capsules instead of mixing with liquids/foods, dingus.
Where do they get the creatine from?
From me.
He looks so healthy
What happened to him?
Went Vegan, RIP
Did he get cancer?
meant for
Cherry picking is one hell of a drug.
>cherry picking
You picked a photo with less resolution and not zoomed in. Come on.
>try not to be a lying piece of shit for 0.1 seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Where's the lie, delusional and blind homosexual?
You discern someone's health by the state of their bloodwork and overall robustness of their organs. Saying someone is unhealthy merely because they look pallid or gaunt is 95 iq behavior, "judging a book by its cover"
I'm sorry you were born with so little intelligence, it's your parents' fault.
The skin is an organ
also are you implying shitty health will not by reflected by your looks? This is HAES tier bullshit, are you moronic?
And you're so much of a brainlet you would associate paleness with unhealthiness, when tanning is harmful for the skin.
>someone use da tanning ped dat mean dey healthy!!
Don't bother replying, I won't read it.
I am not that anon though, but being excessively pale in the face IS a sign of poor health for a male.
>muh tanning bed beach going leather skin morons
irrelevant
I'll also comment on this one too.
What most people usually view as a "healthy" looking face is actually bloating, usually from being fat and eating a lot of fat and salt. The red flushing look is also high blood pressure. Look at any legit carnivore influencer they all have red near-alcoholic tier faces.
Skin complexion in terms of paleness to the "healthy glow" is largely bullshit. Literally just go and tan for a while. And it's largely relative to your culture. For hundreds of years we viewed paleness as a sign of wealth because rich people didn't have to go out and work in the fields. Now we're supposed to act like eating broccoli is causing this?
And as for the "gaunt" look, that too is largely bullshit. Put on a bit of muscle and you look like chad instead. It's easy to cut down weight and keep it off as a vegan (lowest BMI of all groups). Bone structure gets revealed = the 40% obese 35% overweight masses think you're too skinny. That's an incredibly superficial metric that is literally skin-deep at best. How about we compare their cardio to the average omni? Bloodwork? Wellbeing and life quality?
Oh right, the fact is that we have, and it overwhelmingly shows whole foods plant-based diets are the healthiest diets you can eat.
>acting like you're not the same person
ok moron lmao
I'm attempting to have an actual discussion please frick off with your normie-tier power dynamics.
It always reveals a lesser mind when someone thinks having a "majority" matters at all.
>switch vpn server
>"it's not me!"
Nice try gay
>expecting actual discussions on nu-fit
Again, moron.
checked though
have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you
>a single pill of creatine contains more than a portion of steak, suplements > meatq
You just decided that you're gonna ignore the scienific truth that veganism is very unhealthy and focus on the part where your cultist diet religion requires you to take PILLS to be healthy.
You don't even understand just how bad what you're saying sounds.
Keep taking pills Bozo, surely nohing wrong can happen if you eliminate food entirely and replace it with pills.
Unfortunately for the Vegan crowd this is way more common than people think, but it's heavily censored because it goes against the vegan Religion.
>Fake post. If you are dumb enough to fall for veganism, you are not smart enough to exit it
You're really not familiar with the subject, Bucko.
The statistics say that 85% of Vegans stop being vegan because of health reasons.
It's not that they WANT to quit Veganism, it's their body that forces them to stop by bascally fricking dying.
So the choice is simple : Stop Veganism or Die.
Which one do you think they will pick, Doofus?
It's self evident when you look through this lens why there are so many ex-vegans.
Creatine isn't vegan, butthole.
We literally generate it ourselves. It’s not essential amino acid.
The efficacy of creatine as a supplement is yet another indicator of meat in significant quantities as a dietary requirement for humans. We make our own but, we require exogenous sources of creatine for optimal creatine levels. This no doubt applies to other nonessential amino acids and nutrients.
monohydrate creatine which is the most common creatine supplement is vegan
Fake post. If you are dumb enough to fall for veganism, you are not smart enough to exit it
there are plenty of exvegans. After you get sick enough you start putting 2 and 2 together.
Good, vegetarian exists and you fell for the vegan psyops bs.
Explain why you need saturated fat.
I did, unfortunately
>be me
>be vegan for many years
>get sick all the time (usually have a bad cold/flu/sinus infection at least 3-4x/year making me sick for at least 6 weeks total)
>also get frequent bouts of depression and anxiety
>also get hand, foot & mouth disease from waterpark encounter, which is rare in adults, felt like I was gonna die for a week straight
>about 9 years in, feel worse than ever
>depressed most days, manic and raving like a madman some other days
>feel like I'm dying again, swear something is really wrong, make doc appointment
>doc runs blood panel
>my Vitamin D levels are literally one point over having zero
>explains to me that I apparently cannot process vegan-friendly Vitamin D2 into D3 as my body won't comply
>no vegan D3 on market at the time
>doc puts me on 50,000iu/day megadose non-vegan supplement for 20 days
>feel amazingly better and mostly back to normal a week in
>realize any diet that can frick me up this much simply is not meant for me
>stop being vegan on my 10th year, eat clean and stick to good meats, shellfish, a little dairy, lots of eggs, green vegetables, rice and potatoes as bulk of diet
>drop 30 lbs. to get to single-digit bodyfat for first time in my life
>blood panel is better a year later as a non-vegan than any time when I was vegan
>hair stopped falling out, energy increased, sex drive through the roof, endurance up, strength up, no downside
Any diet that excludes meat, eggs and dairy is gay as frick, I've spent years preaching the meatpilled message and using my story as a cautionary tale to idiots who think the cult of veganism actually will always make someone healthier when that's far from reality.
Even if you ate nothing but salmon you wouldn't get more than 4000 IUs of Vitamin D a day. Assuming 48 oz a day.
Meanwhile, sitting in the sun for 15 mins will give you 30,000 IU of D.
>literally go outside
The sun doesn't beam vitamin D into your skin, moron. The UV light transforms one version of D to another in your body. If you lack any D entirely in your diet you will have none for the sunlight to interact with.
You've won my homosexual award for stupidest post ITT
well done
Lmao, I'll make this as simple as possible
>sun hits skin
>skin turns cholesterol into a precursor to vit d3
>yes vit D is a hormone not a vitamin
>this eventually turns into vit d3
You are right in the sense that it doesn't LITERALLY beam vitamin D but no one actually believes that.
why are you lying ketoschizo?
Seething
Go away Moxyte. No one wants you here.
Glad you got out of the vegan cult, anon. My experience was similar (although I was only vegan for maybe 2 or 3 years). I lost a ton of weight, became more depressed, got worse digestive issues, and started feeling paranoid and even experiencing hallucinations. It almost felt like I was developing schizophrenia. Luckily, I started eating beef and I've never felt better.
Veganism is not sustainable long-term for humans. Eat meat and flourish.
people actually believe this moronic nonsense, veganism is not about "muh health" altough it's good for you it's not about you, frankly you matter too much and should get off your horses and think about the harm your causing
>frankly you matter too much
thanks anon you matter too
I have self-respect, so I will always prioritize my health over your warped conception of ethics. There is nothing wrong with consuming my natural diet and thereby flourishing.
Lmao, I will keep eating as much meat as I want, and there isn't a blessed thing you can do about it.
>vitamin D
why didn't you just go outside bro
>I truly hope no one here fell for the psyop.
literally no one falls for veganism anymore
I cant believe anybody besides like art hoes in newyork has fallen for veganism after circa 2014
Lmao ketoschizo can barely muster two sentences. Pathetic.
Frick off moxyte
first of all who fricking cares it ruined you life, it's not about yourself, it's about the unjust murder of innocent beings
second of all you're full of shit im vegan and got to a 2 pl8 bench in less than 5 months
also, here's this gentleman going into depth debunking your shit meme
>it's not about yourself, it's about the unjust murder of innocent beings
You can only murder humans.
If you start giving equal rights to animals feel free to frick off from your home, you're invading their land or something lol
>but think of the humans
go kys moron, im not asking for equal rights for animals, im asking for cows not to get their ass fisted so you can drink their milk, or for chicks to get brutally killed in a macerator so you can have eggs, plainly humans have it to well and i'd feel ok killing you if it would save dozens of animals selfish lying piece of shit
>im not asking for equal rights for animals
You said animals are being murdered. That's the highest right you can give, you're making their lives equal to that of humans. if this goofy idea is ever taken seriously rights to property and such would logically follow
>muh morals of farming
Bro, you breed millions of söy-beings in a tight space and then mutilate their bodies with a machine
And this is much worse for the ecosystem overall than cows could ever be
>plainly humans have it to well
Debatable. Regardless there's no reason to sacrifice ourselves for animals. Only reason you think like that is because you humanize animals and dehumanize humans, moronation basically
theres no difference between a cow and you, frankly a cow has more right to live than you since you cause unnecessary harm
plants do not posses a central nervous systems nor nerves they cannot experience anything, meatard argument
Plants are also living beings, why do you say they are inferior to animals and are not deserving of compassion or consideration? It's completely arbitrary
You (vegans) simply pick an arbitrary random thing like muh feels, or muh nervous system and use that to value animal lives equal that or even more than human life.
I simply say all life is inferior to human life.
Which one makes more sense and is more useful for humans I wonder
Wrong, cows eat the inedible fiber parts othe plant that humans can't digest.
Chickens/pigs do eat the beans but then you're turning shit (söy) into gold (eggs and meat), so it's worth it
they don't care about lliving beings, it's just moral masturbation for them. An outlet that lets them feel important and like they are doing somethging. The end results don't matter, logic doesn't matter. What matters is how it makes them feel, and the sense of importance it gives them.
If one notices this fact about this whole "process" it becomes entirely far easier to understand their behavior.
I actually think a lot of them have some kind of brain/psychological damage that redirects their empathy from humans to animals. Vegans are notoriously and irrationally misanthropic.
>I actually think a lot of them have some kind of brain/psychological damage that redirects their empathy from humans to animals.
not true, vegans care only about specific animals and don't give a shit about others.
Because plants aren't sentient
Animals aren't sentient either, a lot of humans are barely sentient to be honest
Animals are sentient
A lot of plants and animals are sentient.
Only (some) humans are sapient though.
People get the terms confused, in casual speech sentient basically means sapient. Please don't argue semantics though, animals are obviously far less capable of understanding reality in a philosophical way compared to humans.
Animals are less capable, still doesn't mean they don't deserve consideration from people with moral capacity.
Can you explain why they would, or is this just one of those "I think, I feel" kind of opinions?
Any answer I give would be based on my moral position. I would argue most people's morals would be against animal cruelty. Can you tell me why they should not?
The issue is I don't need to. You're the one trying to change my ways as I laugh at your extremist views.
>You're the one trying to change my ways
He isn't though. He is having a wank and feeling good about himself. Convincing you of anything is irrelevant.
I'm not trying to change your ways. I've just been answering your questions. Do whatever the frick you want
I am drinking milk right now and mogging you.
you're drinking breast milk from another mammal that has puss and fecal matter in it, you're probably mogging a hobo doing that
I don't know if you want to say that. Genuinely hobos tend to look healthier than vegans.
can you provide me a non-fruitarian vegan that looks bad?
Yeah just google vegan rally. They all look like this.
lmao
so... uh whats wrong with them again? they look pretty normal to me?
the leathery face, dead eyes, drooping skin, thinning hair, underdeveloped features, that's before you even get to the brain
Walk in your average walmart and look at the people who are buying all the meat
The people in Wal-Mart are bottom-barrel people to begin with. Literally nobody with a decent job goes to Wal-Mart.
>cherrypicking pictures of ugly vegans attributing their ugly looks to their diet
>flips when someone else does the same
Well vegans are a weird little niche cult, while meat eaters are the general population and come in all shapes and sizes
how are we a cult? we dont have a leader
also not putting disgusting shit in your mouth and not abusing animals is nota cult, it's called being a decent human being
Don't need a formal leader for it to be a cult. And if meat is so disgusting why do
1. most people like it
2. it's extremely rare to see a vegan last longer than 5 years?
so you base your entire argument on personal anecdotes?
i'd say they look fine, not fat and fairly clean skin
Well we're mammals, if other mammals could steal milk they would too
>has puss and fecal matter in it
Cow milk doesn't have that bro, your mom had some dirty milkies boy
>Cow milk doesn't have that bro, your mom had some dirty milkies boy
he doesnt know
Yeah I guess I don't know, since when does milk comes with pus, blood and feces?
Pus and blood I could see from an infected cow, but feces? That ain't normal bro
Other mammals eat ze bugs, why don’t you?
I could but I'd rather give the bugs to chickens and eat them instead
>milk has pus in it
where did this talking point come from? i see it a lot lately. it just sounds like one of those things that's technically true (like all canned goods have trace amounts of rat feces in them) but is worded in an incendiary way so as to get people to have a knee-jerk emotional response
dairy cows develop mastitis and the puss oozes into the milk, also dairy cows projectile diarrhea eveywhere so shit is bound to land in your milkies
>dairy cows develop mastitis
So it is only sick cows with the pozzed milk. It's not normal
>also dairy cows projectile diarrhea eveywhere so shit is bound to land in your milkies
How would land on the milk? There's 2 ways to milk a cow
You either get a bucked under the cow (very far from the butthole) and milk her that way.
Or you put the cow on a machine that sends the milk to a tank very far from the butthole.
There's no way to get poop on the milk
most if not all dairy cows will develop mastitis cause they are man made horrors tortured for their entire existence
HMMM I WONDER HOW COULD COW SHIT GET INTO MY MILK???? https://youtu.be/n1REyW2YlYc?t=1772
Yeah even in this slum the cow's shitting very far from any milk.
Also these activists pick the worst examples possible to turn people, I've been to a dairy farm when I was a kid and it was pretty neat
Here's a normal dairy farm in my country
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The cows are milked then they frick off to the fields to take a walk
i mean brazil allows the most puss and shit in cow's milk
but yeah sure, if a scripted video announce weeks before is your argument then yeah sure the vid i posted is from a first world country, couldnt imagine the biological horrors going on in brapzil
With how many vegans come from the USA it's probably the other way around, Americans love to do shit poorly for max profit
If you treat cows better they last longer, make more milk and don't waste your money with sickness
The "imaginary cow" is real moron, cows have been bred for thousands of years to make as much milk as possible, if you don't milk them they literally die.
Same with sheep, if you don't shear them they die.
Now you can say it's human's fault sure they are dependant on us, but it's a fact they do die if we don't care for these farm animals.
I mean, i wouldnt call getting a cow aroused through rubbing her cervix by shoving your fist in her butthole, then forcefully impregnating her, then.. uuh taking her baby away effectively traumatizing her, then? milk her to death for like what 5-6 years? then killing her for burger? doesnt sound like good treatment to me to be honest
You care more than the cow does
>traumatizing her
wtf are we still talking about cows
stop personifying animals and treat their place in the food chain with proper respect you freak of nature. you decry this but probably support late term abortions too. reflect on your arrogant transhumanist perspective and start trying to appreciate the world we live in and create. it's good to call out animal abuse but when identifying it you must be consider how it's relative to how the food chain functions in reality. these industries simply must exist for the benefit of mankind and thus the entire planet, if you aren't trolling then don't be such a naive tool.
Ahh, no, the animal whomstveth i have bred to require unnatural conditions now needs my unnatural conditions to not be in misery
we must expand our operations so that every cow is provided a safe and humane life in a big red barn eating hay and mooing happily 🙂
it looks so natural and healthee, im glad im paying for this so i wont look like those heckin vegarinos with droopy eyes >:(
Primal as fuark
>Ahh, no, the animal whomstveth i have bred to require unnatural conditions now needs my unnatural conditions to not be in misery
The image said that wasn't real though
Slaughering animals is completely natural, it's probably healthy too so you don't become a vegan pussy that hates his own kind
Althought I've never seen a butchering done like that, just looks moronic and dangerous
appeal to nature fallacy
also, it's not ok to kill innocent animals just like it wouldnt be ok for me to kill your mum cause she resembles pic related
> it's not ok to kill innocent animals
It is ok
>innocent animals
what does "innocent" mean in this context? we don't kill them because they did something wrong we kill them so we can eat them. it seems like a meaningless descriptor there for purely emotional reasons
Animals aren't the same as humans. I don't give a frick how many of them die, and a lot of "vegans" seem to suffer from some weird delusion that animals are on the same tier as humans.
can you formulate an argument that makes it ok for us to kill animals other than "muh health" or "muh intelligence"
cause i can easily make those arguments for raping and killing children
Not really. Dumb animals will always be dumb animals. They are literally food for us and other carnivors/ominvores. I know you're quite smug over there, but even the dumbest child isn't as dumb as the animals we eat, and dumb children don't remain dumb children.
well a baby is weaker and less intelligent than me right? why would it be wrong to rape it? maybe grill it once im done huh?
> and dumb children don't remain dumb children.
How do you know?
who dont sleep with* i mean
How do I know that dumb children don't gain education and join the societal fold? Gosh, you got me.
What a moron.
well you have no guarantee every kid will turn out that way just like you dont have any guarantee a pig wont grow up to give us the secrets of the universe
i'm literally asking why is it ok to kill and eat a pig but not a human
Imagine im an outwordly alien being that doesnt view the world as a human, i simply ask you why should i kill the pig and not the human whats the difference
Pigs are a lesser species. Many carnivores eat pig, not just humans.
>Pigs are a lesser species.
why?
Because they aren't us
applies to you aswell
Tell you what, the day a pig can write a short story or even hold a conversation, I'll go vegan. Until then, bacon is on the menu all day and every day.
i wouldnt know, i dont speak the pig language, but there are humans who are not able to do that
>Until then, bacon is on the menu all day and every day.
What’s your view on abortion
Because it is human. You fricking moron.
You seem to think people should care for everything equally, when that's just stupid.
There's a healthy order that should be followed, deviation leads to damnation
1. Close family > Distant family > Community(Tribe) > Race > Nation > Species
ah right, can you provide a source for this claim? oh you cant? you made it up? oh right
raping children improves mental health and longevity all these people who sleep with kids looks pale and sickly dont need to give a source for this im based gigachad
>ah right, can you provide a source for this claim?
Yes I can, every successful human tribe/nation/empire has followed that order of importance for things
As soon as that collapses it leads to internal destruction. This vegan shit is pretty novel though, but you can be sure if it catches on it's literal suicide lol
ok, post the source, i'd love to read it
i didnt claim that, i just claimed i benched 405 back in highschool, just like you claimed to be benching 225 for sets of 6
Well that’s an impressive bench, are you pissed that the best you can do now is a single cheat rep of 225 since you went vegan?
it's not cheat it's touch and go, and i didnt bounce it i'm just really dynamic
Wow cool anyway I’m gonna go bench 225 (more than once in a row) and then eat eggs
That's a weird coping mechanism of dealing with child abuse, but sure go ahead
Yeah eating eggs really helps me with my trauma of getting raped by a sexually starved hen in sixth grade but at the end of the day, I can bench more than you
>I can bench more than you
allegedly
plants?
This is like those guys on IST who request bread on hood of $15k cars
Reassess your life, my malnourished friend
i just said "allegedly", why you so butthurt as to compare me to your personal anecdotes
I drive an accord coupe before you ask
Pretty unbelievable flex, I know
thats cool, i travel via fast travel and parkour on rooftops
>This vegan shit is pretty novel though, but you can be sure if it catches on it's literal suicide lol
Fact: Humans have never eaten as much meat per capita as now
Also fact: Society is currently in a gigantic decline into disease and insanity
Also fact: Your peasant ancestors ate barely any meat and sometimes were forbidden by law to consume it (Ireland, Germany)
Why do you think they were forbidden from having it
>Why do you think they were forbidden from having it
Because it was expensive, the King hated poaching, and the nobility wanted all the meat for themselves.
And before you come up with some extremely homosexual bullshit about it making them strong, you should go read up on the nobility and their dreadful diseases that none of the peasants suffered from.
>Also fact: Society is currently in a gigantic decline into disease and insanity
Ignoring the unprecedented levels of pollution in our food, air and water, decline in trust in our institutions, collapsing wages, friendships becoming almost non-existent, inflation making things like cars or home unobtanium, a culture centered on pleasure seeking over all else, the rise of addictions, an explosion of suicides in the younger generation, you might have had a point.
This is just confirmation bias taken to a whole notha level.
A child is a human being and a cow isn’t, that’s why. What you are posting would be an obvious troll if it was on any other subject but vegans/vegetarians actually believe this shit.
Boggles my mind when people limit their diet like this, I can eat all the vegan stuff too, but I also get real food.
>the puss [sic] oozes into the milk
>shit is bound to land in your milkies
in what quantity? is this just something that someone "feels" is true because it's logical (cows shit/cows get sick therefore there is shit/pus in milk)? are the amounts trace? what effect do they have in their presence on overall health?
Have you ever heard of pasteurization anon?
>milk pasteurization
yeah it was invented by the israelites to destroy the nutrients and make the goyim weak
So it only happens for mass exploitation cows from big factory that are illegal in pretty much every civilised country, which is why it happens in the US.
Also imagine being a moron that buy supermarket ~~*milk*~~ especially in north america
You didn't answer his question at all moron.
Vegan brain moment.
well, you kinda need a brain or some sort of nerves to experience this reality, considering everything, plants are as alive as your smartphone
veganism stands for reduction of harm as much as possible and practicable, if some moron rat jumps in front of heavy harvesting machinery it's his fault 1 for being stupid and 2 for being on private property, it does not compare in anyway to vid related https://youtu.be/ECJwRKngYBs
>veganism stands for reduction of harm as much as possible and practicable
but you don't actually achieve any of that.
Yes I do
prove it, prove your actions have reduced harm as much as possible and practicable
I used to eat a chicken every day. Now I eat plants. Now the chicken doesn't because of my diet.
how many living things were harmed in providing those plants for you? How much self harm do you to do to yourself(or your family members) by avoiding certain foods.
Less living things that were harmed in providing the plants that provide the feed for all the chickens I had eaten. I don't force my diet on my family. I have no measurable harm on my body years after this diet
>Less living things that were harmed in providing the plants that provide the feed for all the chickens I had eaten.
Are you sure about that..... Because I'm pretty sure more living beings suffered for you to enjoy your plants.
a meatard purposefully kills about 200 animals a year on average
a vegan, uuh 0?
vegans btfo, they should pick up their slack
thousands in fact, they just dont eat them, they kill them and the animals don't even get used.
>farming grains to feed animals to feed humans = good and humane
>farming a fraction of the grains to feed humans directly = holy shit what about the grasshoppers and squirrels? Literally satan
Your kind should be thrown off cliffs. Not for eating meat but for being dishonest filth.
>Not for eating meat but for being dishonest filth.
you're on IST, you can only have a reasonable discussion with bots or feds
>xer thinks cow feed is the same shit that humans eat
bro, don't you know they eat the inedible parts of the plant? Grain crops are 90% inedible, we only eat the seeds
And chicken/pig feed is very efficient, way better than eating the plant directly and getting low-tier nutrients from it
>way better than eating the plant directly and getting low-tier nutrients from it
All of the plant foods we eat have more vitamins and nutrients than any animal food, even organ meat.
>All of the plant foods we eat have more vitamins and nutrients than any animal food, even organ meat.
lol
lmao, even
>posts a mentally ill criminal that tried to kill his wife and kid
>proceeds to say "lmao, even"
You have no grasp of biochemistry. Thanks for the kek
And you do? Feel free to deboonk my argument, maybe I'll turn vegan
Where do you think the nutrients in that liver come from?
>cows
>fed grains
moron, you are supposed to feed them grass and I dont see humans going out in the field and eating the grass instead of cows
>moron, you are supposed to feed them grass
Great idea!
Hope you enjoy paying 3x more for your grass-fed and finished beef, assuming there aren't massive shortages because you can't produce enough to feed the hungry goyim with that approach.
>Great idea!
>Hope you enjoy paying 3x more for your grass-fed and finished beef
why are vegans so stingy? You are okay with killing people and other animals for your vegan goals, but the moment the idea of paying more for quality meat and happy cows you flip and froth at the mouth.
Not that I believe it will be considerably more expensive.
>Your kind should be thrown off cliffs. Not for eating meat but for being dishonest filth.
"I care about life and want to reduce suffering" vegan
lol
>bugs and vermin killed in farming don't count as animals
uhhh vegan bros??
>purposefully
yes, you bought the crop knowing that
Well, i dont actually know how many rats died for my carrots, could be 0
Why does it matter if animals feel some things or not? It's irrelevant
All living beings 'want' is to live and breed, plants are no different in this.
It matters to me because I don't want to cause them unnecessary pain.
>I dont want to cause a specific subset of animals pain
>frick humans though
>ans other animals
>and all other life forms, I don't give a shit about them, in fact their pain is justified to protect this subset of animals
>but I also look down on people who choose a different subset of animals to protect, and neglect mine
>why yes I'm a vegan how could you tell?
LOL put word in my mouth homosexual. No logic. Dig your heels in bro
This
No remark for animals losing their habitat for monoculture crops.
Don't even think so far ahead to think that if their goal is successful it will result in a mass livestock die off. We won't be able to release the cows in the wild, because there won't be any meadows for them to graze left, just corn/soja fields.
Vegan = pure mental illness
i mean, if you see some guy playing fetch with his plant and calling it a good boy you would consider him crazy wouldnt you? but sure, do keep going i love laughing at carnitrannies
There's people that talk to plants and think it helps them grow or whatever
And plants to have some sense of the enverionment and adapt, if you keep burning them for example like some form of turture it will affect the plant
keep talking, you're hilarious? if i start ripping bark off a tree it would be like one of those chinese gore vids
I could argue that it is lol, it scars the tree and if you remove enough bark it can actually die
You just don't care because your arbitrary empathy receptors aren't wired to care about it
If I brainwashed a population into thinking plants are equal to humans they would cry while watching the tree having its skin slowly peeled off though
>veganism stands for reduction of harm as much as possible and practicable, if some moron rat jumps in front of heavy harvesting machinery it's his fault 1 for being stupid and 2 for being on private property, it does not compare in anyway to vid related
LMAO
Vegans really can't come up with anything smartwhen confronted by real arguments.
The guy wrecked you c**t.
>It's not okay to kill and eat animals even though the human body is optmized for mea eating (Ratio of digestive system to overall size and a brain with high energy needs) just like other predators.
>But it's completely fine to kill animals when you're farming because you didn't intendo hur anybody
The Classic Logical Fallacy of Judging others by their Actions and Judging yourself by your Intentions.
See, Meat Eaters ALSO don't intend to harm anyone, any animal, but we still do.
YOU don't intend to hurt animals either but you sll do, and then turn around and pretend like it's completely different.
Therefore : YOU judge Yourself based on your INTENTIONS, but you're judging Meat Eaters based on the RESULT of their ACTIONS.
That's completely unfar.
We BOTH want to reduce suffering.
We BOTH have to break eggs to make an omelette.
You can't make a omelette without breaking eggs.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Stop being Intellectually Dishonest.
This is the problem with Vegantards, you're grumpy and stupid because you lack Vitamin B12 among others things.
Unironically re-evaluate your life choices and/or KYS.
You type a lot of words but you didn't say anything, vegans get more nutrients in general than than average meat eaters, there's studies on the subject, also meat is unhealthy plus murdering animals is immoral
>You type a lot of words but you didn't say anything
You have problems reading because I clearly exposed your Hypocrisy. Cry more.
>vegans get more nutrients in general than than average meat eaters
You know that this is scinifically untrue.
Animals products are Nutrient Dense.
And I have the proof to back it up while YOUR sources are : "Trust me Bro".
Here :
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8398225/
>Consumers are shifting towards plant-based diets, driven by both environmental and health reasons. This has led to the development of new plant-based meat alternatives (PBMAs) that are marketed as being sustainable and good for health. However, it remains unclear whether these novel PBMAs to replace animal foods carry the same established nutritional benefits as traditional plant-based diets based on pulses, legumes and vegetables.
>Conclusions :
>our findings suggest that it is easy for the uninformed consumer to unintentionally increase public health-sensitive nutrients such as fat, sodium and sugar while also decreasing the nutrient density of the diet. Recent innovation in the plant-based product space has focused more on organoleptic properties (texture, taste and appearance) and formats (nuggets and burgers), rather than developing innovative ways to enhance the nutrient density of plant-derived foods, and ensuring a balanced nutrient profile similar to products of animal origin. Many newer plant-based products are similar to animal products in calories, but lower in protein, calcium, potassium, magnesium, zinc and Vitamin B12 while being higher in sodium and fat after being prepared. If habitually consumed, this could create nutrient shortfalls for consumers motivated to follow healthier, more sustainable diets
And this above study is specfically about "Plant products made to replace animal products".
So it's already looking a best case scenario, not worsd case scenario.
Get fricked.
Cope and seethe.
Pic also destroys your point.
>links study warning that processed plant-foods probably aren't as good as unrefined plant-foods
>???
>seriously ???
>Animals products are Nutrient Dense
Can we get the moronic Hegel memer to lampoon this homosexual
>Animals products are Nutrient Dense.
You mean some animal products are nutrient dense, you are not getting anything from butter in terms of nutrients, the same is the case from plant foods
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8398225/
This looks like a narrative review, is not even a study, and is just talking about "newer plant based products" whatever that means
>"Plant products made to replace animal products".
No one is saying you should replace the entirety of your diet with novel processed foods, you are just strawmaning
>Pic also destroys your point.
Your pic just a strawman, I never said broccoli is a good source of protein lmao
Do you want to me show you a real study? I can barely take you seriously so idk if I should bother really, you talk like a moron and keep posting moronic meme pictures
The main destination of basedbean crop is to cattle farms as feed
Pathetic attempt at a meme.
Lemme show you how it's done Vegantroony :
Anti-keto meme was accurate. Yours is straw man. All we vegans need is B12 supplementation. Iodine only if eating very low-salt diet (cue raw vegan morons as usual). D supplement is recommend for all dietary groups in the winter in northern hemisphere.
>Anti-keto meme was accurate.
???? You're moronic, you're not even talking about the right post/meme.
And I don't even "Defend Keto".
You're just a Schzophrenic Paranoid Narcissist that sees "Ketolards everywhere.
Tell me Vegantard, are the "Ketolards" in the room with us right now?
LMAO
>Yours is straw man
LMAO no , but keep the cope and seethe coming.
>All we vegans need is B12 supplementation.
So you already admit that your Diet is defficient. That's an automatic Win for me and an Automaic Loss for you.
GG, but let's continue with the other micronutrients.
>Researchers found that avoiding all animal foods may lead to nutritional deficiencies in vitamin B12, omega-3, calcium, zinc, iron, magnesium, and high-quality protein.
https://www.saintlukeskc.org/about/news/research-shows-vegan-diet-leads-nutritional-deficiencies-health-problems-plant-forward
>Conclusions: Following a vegan diet may result in deficiencies in micronutrients (vitamin B12, zinc, calcium and selenium) which should not be disregarded.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33341313/
>Vegan defficiencies lead to Gut Microbiome Problems
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7073751/
>Regarding macronutrients, vegan diets are lower in protein intake compared with all other diet types. Veganism is also associated with low intake of vitamins B2, Niacin (B3), B12, D, iodine, zinc, calcium, potassium, selenium. Vitamin B12 intake among vegans is significantly lower (0.24–0.49 μg, recommendations are 2.4 μg) and calcium intake in the majority of vegans was below recommendations (750 mg/d).
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561420306567
>Intake, and status of certain nutrients is lower compared to meat-containing diets, with an increased risk of inadequacy for vitamin B12, vitamin D, EPA, DHA, calcium, iron (particularly in women), zinc and iodine.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/
Ge fricked
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8746448/
>Intake, and status of certain nutrients is lower compared to meat-containing diets, with an increased risk of inadequacy for vitamin B12, vitamin D, EPA, DHA, calcium, iron (particularly in women), zinc and iodine.
Lmao did you just cherry picked one part of the conclusion of that study, let me complete the full text of the conclusion for you, you fricking liar
>Of these nutrients, also meat-eaters were found to be at risk of inadequate vitamin D and calcium intake.
> On the other hand, people following plant-based diets, particularly vegan diets, had higher intakes of PUFA, ALA, fiber, folate, vitamin E and magnesium, which were found to be at risk of inadequacy among meat-eaters
> Additionally, the intake of vitamin B1, B6 and C was considerably higher, especially in vegans.
LOL, your own link says vegans get more nutrients in general than meat eaters, you just got destroyed lel
Get fricked, idiot.
Have you ever thought that maybe cows like getting their buttholes fisted?
nobody likes having something big shoved up their ass, maybe you're just projecting or try to relieve your childhood memories
I agree with this anon but I'm not vegan. I know I should be but I'm too much of a hypocrite to actually do something.
The only way I could be even shittier was if I made up some rationalization that made me feel better than people who actually sacrifice for what they believe in.
I would eat human if given the opportunity
good than what's the point of arguing with you? you shouldnt be allowed in human society
Why are you so upset? I'd never eat anything as unhealthy as a vegan, you're safe
The end result of Liberalism.
A man who spits on his human nature, hates God and wishes to be like a beast of the field.
>chicks get put in a macerator so you can have eggs
Anon you do understand the eggs we eat were never going to hatch, right?
I get my eggs from my backyard
Animals aren't "beings" moron.
they do be being tho
so you got no issue with furries adopting dogs to keep as sex toys?
Is this video bait? That is quite literally not a 2 plate bench. I would imagine most highschoolers could bounce two plate without practice for one rep. In fact, I doubt most meat eaters would struggle that much doing it.
yeah it's easy to talk shit when you've never touched a barbell in your life lazy ketolard
veganism stands for the reduction of harm as much as practicable but your a stupid moron and talk about shit you know nothing of
Your very existence perpetuates harm you moron
That's what im talking about, you morons never argued with a vegan in your life you just jerk off to toughts of your own sounding intellectual and owning the heckin lefterinos, literally go rope
Genuinely I think you're just not smart enough the read in between the lines regarding what people are actually saying about you.
>listen man, i think it's wrong and not necessary to do this to innocent animals
>"WHAT BUT Y-YOUR EXISTENCE IS HARMFUL, THE CROP DEATHS, PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO, PERHAPS MY FAVORITE CHIROPRACTOR ON YOUTUBE SAID CHOLESTEROL IS GOOD FOR ME"
It's ridiculous, but it's not like you have an argument either
>animals die and my feefees get hurt
Well mine don't.
That is not a “2 plate bench” homosexual. Nor is a 2 plate 1RM impressive even if you don’t bounce it off the bars six inches above your chest.
I ate four slices of bread two hours ago before you call me a “ketolard”
why dont you show us how to bench 2 plates big man, i bet you're really strong after those 4 slicerinos of bread, let's see you do it
225x6 is my working weight and I’m not even that big
Yeah, and i used to bench 405 back in highschool 4 years ago
billions of people cry over a israelite that got tortured by romans some 2000 years ago, wouldnt find it hard to believe
>the vegan thinks 225x6 is some unattainable feat
Imagine my shock
Increasing the quality and quantity of life I'd far greater than simply reducing harm. Farm more animals. Backyard chicken coops for everyone.
or you could eat plants and leave the animals alone?
And stop increasing their numbers? No. An animal is better off living 70% of its life span in comfort and having a quick death than not existing.
Animals are not innocent, they practice murder themselves frequently
So it's ok to kill those c**ts
>it's about the unjust murder of innocent beings
vegans murder innocent things all the time, so it can't be about that.
Read the definition of veganism word by word, and the one's that are too intelligent sounding for you look them up in a dictionary
>uhhh there is nothing I can say to disprove you so how about I tell you to go look up definitions
right, next you will go tell me that anti-fascists can't be fascists because its literally in da name
>one's
Plants feel pain, but can't scream so it's okay to kill them, right? It's okay to kill wild plants(and the little animals there) to grow your own slave plants, right?
Let me guess, you're "" minimizing the suffering" because beings that can't make noise are inferior.
Listen mate I'm against factory cattle, not only is factory meat dogshit in every aspect except pricing; but I do care an animal gets to live a fulfilling life.
If only because it tastes better that way, or factory is just unnecessarily cruel.
But that is not a 2 plate bench, that is a FAILED bench; I understand using guard rails without a spotter, its safety. The problem is you failed that rep on the descend, so much it would have injured or killed you without the rails, then proceeded to bounce off said rails to put it back on the rack. The rails are not even deep, they are set for a 90 degree rep and you couldn't manage that.
agreed, politics aside he's as delusional as people that do the inverted cat back (which he also did briefly) if he thinks that was a proper rep
any diet that can frick me up this much simply is not meant for me
>actually thinks that counts
bahahahhahahaha
>bench
>about the unjust murder of innocent beings
we all lose your innocents along the way, why should it be any different with animals?
>unjust murder of innocent beings
being is necessarily obtrusive; "being" obtrusively is the natural order of things and is therefore just insofar as it would be utterly nonsensical to artificially delimit your ability to "be" and therethrough "do good." If we apply the vegan moral argument and take it to its logical conclusion, we see that it is, at best, morally neutral and that the only way to affect this neutrality is (and I'm not kidding) to have a nice day.
The rules of justice that we are referring to that protect humans are corollary rules of politicization. You apply them to animal life with an even greater degree of arbitrariness than that which meat-eaters tend to apply
there is absolutely no moral good whatsoever in "being" vegan btw
see
>quoting Hegel
>the gay whose ideas made the precursor to globohomosexual modern day
S
Shut the frick Hegel, you are a fraud
you know nothing of truth and even less of good. you masquerade as architects but are aestheticians concerned only with painting ugliness so that it might not insult your puerile sensibilities as you walk down the street. you are no better than the carnivore who paints ugliness with the same arbitrary reason
>hegel fan talking about truth
lol
you have to be 18+ to post here bro
incidentally i will enlighten you: the lens that allows you to see that which you would be otherwise unable to - let us say, a falling of dominoes from start to finish - does not itself make the dominoes fall
You sound like the type of guy who sniffs his own farts and cackles at his perceived wit
>he put the lives of animals above his own
>can't bench 2 plates properly
Lol
Lmao
I got lucky and knew a vegan in 2010 when it wasn't that common yet. We were at a normal teenage house party and for some reason he wrestled with another kid and broke his own arm like a twig. The vegan kid was taller but not as strong, which was an odd sight at that age. The pair stumbled to the ground pretty quickly and as soon as they hit the ground there was a loud snap and the vegan kid started screaming. One of the bones in his forearm bones had an open fracture and was poking into the skin. It wasn't even a real fight, it was a friendly wrestle that every kid did every now and then with nobody actually getting hurt. I don't remember anyone making the connection then that he was probably malnourished, but it stuck with me to this day. It taught me to take diet seriously.
Vegans should unironically kill themselves since the ultimate conclusion of veganism is that living as a human being is morally wrong.
well veganism is suicide lite essentially....
>veganism stands for the reduction of harm
ah yes, look at the gay caring only about a very specific subset of animals and not all the other animals and living beings.
No, if anything vegans have the right to kill everyone who consumes meat since you are supporting and participating in murder, so killing meat eaters is an act of self defense
You should also kill every animal that eats meat. Hell, maybe you should kill every living thing so you can prevent suffering forever? Eg. have a nice day.
I actually do favour hunting animals that intentionally kill other animals, such as big cats, wolves and certain bears etc
I just get blood tested to make sure I'm not deficient. It's not hard.
haha
funny meme
the best part is how the guy who is obviously right says all the things that are true
epic chad
You seethe?dj
no?
OWNED BY THE MASTER, b***h!
Would it be okay to eat this goat from a vegan standpoint?
Since he is a murderous goat
But what if the psyop is the more popular opinion? That being the never ending daily consumption of animal products. It’s obvious the human body is so powerful that we can ingest crazy high doses of literal poison and still live a long happy life. What is optimal? I don’t know. I’ve been WFPB for 3 months now, I feel pretty much the same since I’ve been dealing with orthorexia since before I started this new plan. Eating whole foods that are as minimally processed as possible (be that freshly hunted deer meat or raw fruit) is the most important component of healthy nutrition, and is also the most obfuscated and inaccessible part thanks to the ~~*FDA*~~.
Hmm I don't know anon, maybe if vegans weren't blatantly malnourished at face value I'd consider that opinion.
Notice how this Black person homosexual moxyte posts the same pictures in every post about any diet, keto related or not. If you engage him on Reddit he will cry out as he strikes you.
You can tell immediately when it’s him because he’s so autistic that he types and posts in specific patterns that no NORMAL person would continue doing for this long.
Anyways here’s the keto breakfast I had this morning.
98% of vegaBlack folk look like shit, are weak, frail, and mentally fricked. There is nothing any of you can do or say to stop me from eating 3500 calories on a daily basis with the overwhelming majority of which being animal products. It feels euphoric being unquestionably, irrefutably right about this.
i mean im 6'5 and 260lbs not exactly frail, hopefully you get cancer and die as soon as possible
also, source for that claim?
What do you eat, and how much of it? Are you on steroids? I’m 6’5 170 and I want to gain muscle
i dont know, lots of nuts and beans and s. oy chunks
got me laughing out hard
You're a fatass, which is even worse than being vegan.
Nope, remember that clown vegan gainz or whatever he was called? Well known to be on gear, denied it for years and then admitted in near the end of his youtube popularity.
Your not a rabbit so don't eat like one.
>reddit spacing
>begging for a source
>e-statting
You're fricking stupid.
who wants to bet the vegan is a big city dweller living in the most unsustainable nature-unfriendly way possible?
yeah motherfricker cause growing some fricking potatos and beans is harder than raising a fricking cow dishonest piece of shit, shut up right now
the most sustainable green-thumbed vegan. Shitting in the river and drinking government supplied sewage water
yes dude cause eating steak fed zoy imported from brazil is more sustainable than eating potatos and beans
im such and urbanite for telling an intellectual runt such as yourself to stop needlessly torturing animals and maybe eat a carrot once in a while
Bruh just be vegetarian
people and entire civilizations are doing it for thousands of years
veganism is unnecessary
So the difference between the extremes (veganism vs a lot of ruminant meat) is only 100% increase? Seems negligible. I thought it would be literally tens of times more emissions if you ate a lot of ruminant meat since that's how it's always advertised.
And they don't consider the positives of ruminant meat
It does almost no harm to the enverionment if you feed them on grass from the grassplains that already exists. Only le cowfarts meme which is nothing really
Compare a herd to massive monocultural crops and the herd wins everytime
>b-but they get feed
Not necessary. In fact all beef is fed on grass for 90% of its life and only gets fat on feed when it is about to be killed.
And ruminants eat mostly the inedible parts of the crops that we do not eat.
I can’t tell if there’s actually vegans in this thread or if they’re just gay boy baiters raking in (You)s while arguing devils advocate
>how dare someone have different opinions and beliefs in my echo-chamber
Don't vegans eat vegetables? How can they have any vitamin deficiencies?
Vegetables don't contain any nutrients bioavailable to humans, in fact they have compounds in them that hinder the absorption of vitamins and minerals when actual food like meat or dairy is consumed.
citation needed
Ok but I'm still eating grilled onions with my steak
Reading through this thread and seeing all the vegan propaganda has been a treat.
I thought these people weren't real, or were so contained in their facebook groups that seeing them in the wild was like catching Bigfoot on a UFO.
Just make sure your meat is kosher!
That "missing nutrients" list is total bogus.
>vitamins available from plants or sun with, only A and B12 are correct
>just that vitamin A is toxic for humans if not consumed as retinol precursor easily available from plants, not so much from animals
>4/4 amino acids listed are not essential, we synthesize them
>what the frick is vitamin F?
>heme-iron and saturated fat are harmful
>CoQ10, CLA are usually in skin lotions
The whole listing is copypasted from some skin or hair product ingredients and carnitards repeat it like morons they are.
>Cholesterol, carnitine, carnosine, creatine, K2, coq10
>Skin or hair products ingredients
You know nothing about human biology
RAW FOODISTS were thought out by meat eaters to discredit vegans. Normal vegans are by far not as degenerate.
Best diet for longevity is a mixed diet.
All professional level athletes aren't plant based.
No sane person eats meat in every meal and if we were better at restriction (looking at you, americ**ts), factory farming etc. Wouldn't be needed.
I personally buy only meat that was kept in better conditions and costs more (we have to label it where i live), same goes for eggs.
Everyone's ancestors spent most of the last 2 million years eating almost nothing but meat and fish. But yeah, no sane person would do such a thing. It's just crazy bro. Better listen to the experts bro, don't do anything crazy like stop eating heart-healthy cash crops or imported nuts bro. All those carnivores are just trying to destroy our global food economy bro. They think health matters more than profit LOL freakin nazis...
>Everyone's ancestors spent most of the last 2 million years eating almost nothing but meat and fish.
Like doctors know about nutrition ? Lol you can go on legit sites and get better info about diet then advice from a israelite
>keto-approved nootritionist
he's only this fat because of the evil carbs in those pesky vegetables
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Ketolard orthorexia is legendary.
>I also get bloating from room temperature butter
Do you even need a study to know what people ate in the past?
Just go take a walk in some wild forest or plains, there's no food for one grown man, let alone a tribe. Only reliable food source are the animals
Maybe it's different in more tropical regions but idk man
>Do you even need a study to know what people ate in the past?
Mostly grains, vegetables, dairy, and fruits depending on the region.
>Just go take a walk in some wild forest or plains, there's no food for one grown man, let alone a tribe. Only reliable food source are the animals
This is a mentally ill statement.
>mostly grains
there's no grains in nature, it's just inedible grass in the wild
>vegetables
many are inedible or shit-tier, if you can even find them
>dairy
I think you're on a different time period bro
>fruits
yeah... depends a lot on season and there's not that many even on their proper season. some are ok and some are shit too
>This is a mentally ill statement.
prove me wrong, you never went out in actual nature have you?
>there's no grains in nature, it's just inedible grass in the wild
>many are inedible or shit-tier, if you can even find them
So blatantly wrong and moronic it's not worthy of a response.
>yeah... depends a lot on season and there's not that many even on their proper season. some are ok and some are shit too
Someone needs to find you Sv3rige and bash your face in once and for all. Rid the world of your stupidity.
I'm serious man, there's no fricking food
>if animals don’t want to be eaten, then why are they made out of tasty meat?
that’s the only argument you ever need
If meat is so tasty, why do you need to cook and season it? Ain't nobody out there seasoning theory fruits lmao
>Ain't nobody out there seasoning theory fruits lmao
You seasoned them with thousands of years of domestication. Try some wild fruit to see how lame it is
>Try some wild fruit to see how lame it is
Wild fruit tastes amazing if you get it during peak season.
Far sweeter than cultivated shit because it's actually ripe. Also imagine attacking fruit as a member of the primate class. Your existence is a meme.
Bro why are you comparing a young chicken to a fully grown one? They didn't change that much since the 50s
>primate class
Tryna evolve past that monkey business
Modern chicken are hatched from genetically modified eggs to grow over 5x their usual weight at 3x the growth rate. To the point where if they aren't slaughtered mere weeks after hatching they'll die from collapsed bones or heart disease.
Your steaks from Angus cows are very similar as well, over 4x the fat content of ye olde cows.
But go ahead and fearmonger because fruit has about 20% more sugar than before and is selectively bred to be bigger.
Still waiting for someone to deboonk this:
Where's all the veggies in the wild?
Kek they make entire TV programs centered around survival in the wild and guess what people find to eat? Animals (90%), mushrooms, bugs and fruit the other 10%
You forgot tubers.
Tubers, nuts, seeds, flowers. You can eat all that but good luck living on that stuff
90% it's gonna be animals, in a survival wild situation where you can't farm crops
>Tubers, nuts, seeds, flowers. You can eat all that but good luck living on that stuff
That's exactly what the blue zones are doing and they have the highest lifespan, greatest health, least heart disease/cancer, and most centenarians.
>Try some wild fruit to see how lame it is
Lmao not everyone is an urbanite american. Picking wild berries with my grandpa was one of my favorite things as a kid. Also, ever had wild meat, like boar or deer? I mean i love it, but most people don't. Animals are domesticated for the same reason. Or do americans believe that cows and pigs just always looked like that lmao
Americans believe and know only one thing: Love and adoration for the Antichrist
Who says I season it?
If their meat is so tasty, why do you add so much Lawry's Seasoned Salt to it?
Is there any way to get enough protein on a vegan diet without supplements?
Any vegan food except fruits will provide more than adequate protein. You can look this up in cronometer it's not hard at all
Such as?
Most nuts have about 10% of their calories from protein which isn't lean enough for my needs.
Beans are less lean than that.
I should also add, most studies show that you should be getting 1.5g of protein per kg of lean body mass for max health benefits.
For me that's 120g of protein in a 2500 calorie diet so I need my diet to be approx 20% protein.
I'd like to see where you're getting your studies from because everything I've read is 0.8 per kg/lbm to 1.2. Even using your figures you could do peas, beans, wild rice, any whole wheat product (even bread will supply 105g per 2500 cals), quinoa, lentils, soi products if you eat them, most vegetables are majority protein too; All meeting your quota.
There's this notion that meat = protein and plant foods = carbs. That isn't true there is protein in all of these foods which adds up to a sufficient amount. You definitely will have to eat more in comparison because fiber adds a lot of bulk but the foods will be cheaper, easier to make, and very healthy.
>what are amino acids
You won’t find a plant without all essential amino acids. The only thing that humans eat that doesn’t have everything is animal product gelatine.
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian here. Best of both worlds. Omnivores and vegans hates me.
Vegan here, I don't hate you fren.
you spent all that time writing that HAHAH
>you spent all that time writing that HAHAH
I'd rather type a long post once in a whle rather to be a Seething Obsessed Psycho-moron that screams "Ketolard" everytime someone mentions Veganism, even though not a single soul said the word "Keto" except you.
I have a nice life, I have fun, I am fulfilled.
You're a schizo moron shill vegan that's menally ill due to lack of B12.
We're not the same, you israeli Herbivore Punk.
Fell for the vegan meme for 6 years, though everything was good until I had a blood test, yep low iron levels diagnosed with anemia. Got pun on iron injections and never felt soo good
Are you a woman (female)?
The only people I know who have had iron deficiency menstruate (and most of them ate meat).
How? Did you eat legumes at all? I was vegetarian for 1 year and my iron was really high when I blood tested it, and no, dairy has little to no iron so you should have eaten legumes
>low iron levels diagnosed with anemia
The only real concern apart from B12 IMO and common in raw vegans.
Iron in plants is in a less bioavailable form so you either eat more leafy greens or beans to compensate. Recommendations for iron are 7mg for omnis while recommendations for vegans are 15mg.
So much anti-vegan hate. Ironically it reminds me of the attitude of militant vegans from the mid 2000's. Vegans are like just normal people now, the actual righteous nut-jobs either go raw-foodist or carni.
vegetarianism is where it's truly at
vegan totally good for body fitness
I can respect vegan people's choice to do it to themselves but I draw the line when they subject children to that. What's wrong is man's desire to "have more" which lead to overpopulation which is 100% the cause of suffering in the world, see struggle for limited resources. The gruesome meat grinders that make up the industry and the barbaric practices that go on in there stem from the huge demand of food. Veganism could theoretically put a halt to that at the cost of bringing on never before seen levels of deforestation, which would eventually speed up the water warfare, massive immigration and therefore more bloodshed. Overpopulation brings the horrors and veganism can't do shit about it. There are also countless additional plagues that are way worse than muh animals suffering. Veganism is often virtue signaling to the extreme
>Veganism could theoretically put a halt to that at the cost of bringing on never before seen levels of deforestation
How exactly would cutting resource consumption for food production by half cause deforestation?
You think they're deforesting the Amazon for potato fields?
Reaching protein quota through plants alone is extremely hard, especially due to low absorption rate
>Reaching protein quota through plants alone is extremely hard, especially due to low absorption rate
Not true. See
Even if you're going for optimal bodybuilding protein levels you can easily meet that through extremely cheap, plentiful, and healthy staples.
Throughout this thread I've seen a lot of coping but no real arguments against the environmental, ethical, health, and most importantly, mentality impacts on veganism.
hes at it again lol, do you feel good yet?
Sigh, morons like you just never look into shit.
Cattle has to be used in the crop rotation, otherwise your land turns into a dustbowl.
Jesus Christ how stupid are you people. The only land used only for cattle is land that cant grow crops to begin with, because human-grade crops have a far higher profit margin.
Really funny how upset you devout meat eaters get at the notion of being healthy