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Was he ever natty?
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no.
There's still a few copers around, but no. He was always roiding. I understand why you'd want to believe he wasn't, having watched his videos, but he was lying to you for his livelihood. That's how it is.
Maybe he did some stuff back when he was originally wrestling but i think in his garage videos he was "clean".
why is everyone still asking that? its pretty obvious that he hopped on gear at least 2 years ago. the question should be how hasn't snapped his back yet? look at his deadlifting videos, atrocious form
It's obvious he's on gear now, but he stopped talking about being natty too
I'm asking if before that he was actually natural
bugenhagen pre-wwe era is natty
yeah because being like 235 with abs at 6'1 is totally possible natty lol
I have average genetics and haven't trained for as long as him and was 210 with abs at the top of my bulk at 6'2". It's not unreasonable for someone with elite genetics/frame to have 20-30 pounds more than someone with average genetics after 10-15 years of training. I've only put about 3-4 solid years of training and I'm still progressing in size and strength. Your standards are too low.
Post body
Sure
Most of my friends that I went to the gym with as a beginner had faster progress compared to me (but stopped going). I was below average in PE in school. I have chronic pain and a slight scoliosis. It took me like 3 years to bench 2 plates with shit form. I have a small frame for my height. I genuinely don't think that I have above average genetics for building muscle
I'm not seeing those abs homie
(me)
here's mine
although i have to say i had some old gains from calisthenics but prior to starting again i had not trained for 5 years. my starting point was 5 pullups and 10-15dips untrained at 85kg. don't know about the other lifts because i did mostly only this for the first year
>i had some old gains from calisthenics
kek funniest shit i've read ina while
how is that funny? show me another guy who could do a muscle up 1 month into training and weighing +85kg
calisthenics are for dyels
post deadlift 1rm
>muh muscle up
just so you know, you're the sports equivalent of the moron who starts playing guitar at parties but only knows like 3 chords. No one cares about your silly tricks.
100% chance i squat and deadlift more than you do
True, my abs suck, I have to start training them properly.
You have above average genetics.
i have a 4pack at 230lb 6'1.5 and been training for 2 years only
everyone in WWE is on roids or some form of PEDs just to push through all the (potential) injuries and keep on performing, nvm for physique purposes
>bugenhagen pre-wwe era is natty
Fricking delusional. As I've said here a million times for years now, I remember him repping for chaos and pain prohormones/designer steroids before he even had a youtube channel. He's never been truly natty. Most likely been off and on gear since high school like every semi professional athlete.
>I remember him repping for chaos and pain prohormones/designer steroids before he even had a youtube channel
you got a source for that
delusional fanboys, hes been roiding for many many years
>at least 2 years
LMAO, are you 11 or something? I even ended up losing some respect for NH because he said he's definitely is natty.
his form is good. you can train to be strong with thoracic rounding.
Been roiding since late teens.
Damn, it's the same house.
he used to be at least a tiny bit believable but he’s a blockhead now
I think he was natty. People have a really hard time accepting they're not the main character. You're just not talented like him.
The thing is, even if you roided, you probably wouldn't look like him, before or after WWE. If you go around any roider forums, you will see how shit a roider can look without the genetics. Hell, you can just look at Jason Blaha. This sounds like an argument against my first assessment, but it's actually not. My point is, roids don't work like magic. At every gym you go to, there are people who roid, of whom you would never guess they did. They just don't look good, why? Because they had 0 talent in the first place. Roids simply don't give as much as you think.
Another useful example would be someone like John Haack, benching something like 280 kg, at 90- something bodyweight. If you, for a second think that you could ever reach a result close to that "if you just roided" then frankly you have no clue what you're talking about. Buges is like what 130kg with abs right now. You would never look like that if you roided, guaranteed.
>If you go around any roider forums, you will see how shit a roider can look without the genetics.
this is evidence for him roiding, not against it
>b-b-b-but what if he has le 0.0000001% genetics and has muh talent and trains really really hard for years
Stage of grief: bargaining
he's as natty as the rock
you Black folk think mike ohearn isn't natty eiqther
Thats a man, isn't it?
No that is Bayley, Smackdown female wrestler, before she turned heel.
look at his old videos with jujimufu, juji is literally on a coctail of drugs, and bugz mogs the shit out of juji
that should answer your question
Still is.