Weighted pullups or weighted chinups as the main vertical pull exercise, assuming I also do curls?
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Weighted pullups or weighted chinups as the main vertical pull exercise, assuming I also do curls?
homie you know the answer if you're smart enought to mention curls
Which one do you like more? Which will you stick to and be consistent with? That's the only answer that really matters. The difference between the types of pull up are small and people on IST and elsewhere spew all sorts of shitty broscience about them that you can safely ignore.
This is the best answer. That being said, once you get really good at one, it might be worth while to start doing a little of the other, just to work to work on what are the differences, but mostly for joint (shoulder, wrist and esp elbow) health.
>The difference between the types of pull up are small
Maybe for (you) but a lot of people get widly different numbers between types, and neuro adaptation alone is not enough to explain it.
>but a lot of people get widly different numbers between types
Because they are untrained and have atrophied elbow flexors, except biceps.
>2023
>still doesn't know the difference between pull and chin
ngmi
Your pciture is wrong and you're wrong and you should feel bad for trolling.
>he doesn't bring his chest to the bar
How do you get into a bar without bringing your chest?
Neutral grip.
yea i prefer neutral grip too, especially for weighted pull-ups. was never a fan of chin-ups. regular pull-ups are good id probably still be doing them but i hurt my shoulder and neutral grip is completely pain-free.
Yup, neutral grip are best for hitting lats
I dont care what anyone here says, but weighted pullups/chinups are terrible for your joints in the long-run, like squatting/deadlifting is.
Its just too much weight being used purely for the sake of maxing strength..
Really makes no sense when you can safely get the same kind of hypertrophy just doing a variety of pull-downs and rows with machines and cables. The back is extremely responsive to machines and cables in the pulling motion and you can use variety & volume to do this.....
The issue with weighted pullups/chinups is that you cant do any variety or volume with it, your only method of progression is purely weight adding weight, and this is why its dangerous and risky
Actually Id say its more dangerous for your joints than Squats/Deads, because at least with Squats/Deads you can reduce weight, with weighted pullups you're always doing an absolute minimum of your bodyweight (and thus it no longer becomes a weighted exercise lol) so then to call it a "weighted" pullup you'd always have to have an absolute minimum weight that youve got added
Its like your minimum deadlift always being 405 or something no matter what, its just isnt conducive to staying issue free
moronic take plus hanging from a bar is one of (if not) the best thing for your upper body conective tissue health
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So you think I'm using a lot less weight on pulldowns?
I do chin ups because I'm a dyel and can only do like 2 proper pull ups.
>can do lat pulldowns
>cant make a single pull up
What is wrong with me? Im not the only. There are a lot of people in my gym in the same situation
can you lat pulldown your body weight with good form? you can do a pullup then, unless your core is atrocious
You're weak. Simple as. I maintain my stance that 50% of the people who browse this board also cannot do a single pull up, so at least you're not alone if it makes you feel better.
Try neutral grip. If you can't get nowhere close to an actual pullup then you were cheating with the machine and aren't as strong as you think you are. Pullups are very much a skill but you can still bruteforce them with sheer moron strength.
Also you might just be fat.
The one your elbows/shoulders like best
Pullups. Biceps are the most overrated and overtrained muscle.
>Biceps are the most overrated and overtrained muscle.
bullshit. ever since the SS, madcow etc. meme started around 2010 most of gymgoers, who bother to do any reasearch, don't specifically train biceps at all because "compounds". I've never seen anyone. other than people who follow the most moronic brosplit possible and have absolutely no idea what they're doing, doing curls for years. rippetoe ruined a whole generation of lifters
Pullups for triceps, teres and overall posterior gains.
Chinups for biceps, upper pec, and overall fronterior gains.
Also chinups>curls for biceps.
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>I also do curls
Hammer, bi, reverse?
usually with a straight barbell, sometimes hammer too
I personally think whatever is the hardest for you is the best variation. I have very strong biceps and even if I try to take them out as much as I can they still help a lot more when I do chin-ups, so I do pull-ups instead.
Chinups with a grip outside shoulder width are superior for overall strength and growth. Pullups are better if you want more progression to shit like muscle-ups or L-sit pullups. I'd do chins, but the supination makes my wrists hurt. Especially weighted.
Neutral is best all around. Great lat activation, decent biceps, also hits forearms the best while being the most comfortable.
Not picking a fight, but why do you say just outside shoulder width is best for chins? I feel both a bigger stretch at the bottom and a tighter/stronger contraction at the top with a just inside shoulder chinup width.
Chin ups put my wrists in an unnatural position so I hate them. Pull ups or neutral grip all day for me.
I've never seen a real athletic person do chinups. They always do pull ups
And I've never seen a curl bro do pull ups. They always do chin ups.
So if you want a balanced strong body, do pull ups. If you just want big arms and don't care about your back muscles. Do chin ups
it depends what else you do for your back.. stupid question
Chinups with overhand rows as an accessory, or pullups with underhand rows, and why?
I'm preparing a simple 6 day split and the back is currently programmed as:
>horizontal push
>horizontal pull
trap bar pendlay rows 6x6
curls 3x8
>lower body push
>vertical push
>vertical pull
pullups (chinups) 6x6
underhand (overhand) rows 3x8
>lower body pull
Why not both?
>full rom of a pull-up
>bicep activation of a chin-up
just do both you moron
wide grip pullups
close grip chinups
or alternate them every workout
i do pullups monday
neutral grip wednesday
chinups friday
to prevent overuse and tendonitis