>we've gotten to the point where the majority of adults cannot lead a functioning life without guzziling down this black garbage every single day and would get horrible withdrawl symptoms if they ever stopped
how did we get here?
>we've gotten to the point where the majority of adults cannot lead a functioning life without guzziling down this black garbage every single ...
It tastes good
It does not unless you put hundreds of calories of cream and milk in it
I don't understand how anyone can hate the taste of plain coffee, and I don't understand where this meme about black coffee being some sort of fedora tipper drink came from either. It's just coffee, that's how you're supposed to drink it. It tastes good in the same way tea tastes good. If you add sugar or cream to it all you're getting is a cup of hot watered down cream or hot sweet water, it immediately masks the taste of the coffee.
cream/sugar is for bad coffee, if you work in typical wagie cage office you'll get the most bottom of the barrel coffee on the planet and it's like drinking nuclear piss
>nuclear piss
My sides
A lot of people have only ever had horrible drip machine coffee that tastes like burnt toast. All they want is the caffeine, so they put in tons of creamer and sugar to mask the burnt taste. It's the only way to stomach it.
My parents act like I'm a huge coffee snob because I bring home my V60 and filters to make my coffee whenever I visit them, but I literally can't stomach the coffee from their shitty 1980s Mr. Coffee machine.
It's probably their pre-ground beans and not the machine. Drip machines overall are cheap but good coffee depends much more on the beans and how long it's been since they've been ground rather than the brewing method. Though after that point you enter the rabbit hole of beans vs amount vs brew time vs method and so on.
try drinking tepid water infected with cholera and eating a small chunk of moldy bread a day. youll understand why coffee became so popular hundreds of years ago
Black coffee is good: if it’s decent coffee
Buying organic coffee or going to a really nice place for espresso is one of the best feels.
Stop drinking Starbucks and Folgers
Skill issue
it's like beer. nobody actually liked it when they first tried it. but as they keep consuming it due to the effects (of alcohol or caffeine) they grow accustomed to it. Eventually they will have conditioned themselves to relate the taste to the effect and then they "like" the taste. (They don't; they tolerate it, but it makes them feel good because of the anticipated effect.)
I like the taste of beer but not coffee which throws a spanner in that theory.
did you like the taste of your first beer, too?
alcohol and caffeine act differently, and humans in general differ a lot (e.g. their tastes). so of course it won't be exactly the same for everyone.
but in general humans dislike bitter food. bitterness is an indicator of the food not being good for you.
As a kid you hate any hint of bitterness, which is probably an adaptation based on the fact:
>toxins are often alkaloids and alkaloids are bitter (as you noted)
>children are small so anything toxic is likely to harm them more than an adult
>children lack the experience to know which bitter substances are safe, but like to put things in their mouths
As you get older you normally become less sensitive to bitter flavours, and able to appreciate the complex flavours that were previously unavailable because the bitterness was overwhelming (see also: dark toast, brussels sprouts).
If you find yourself enjoying soda and balking at beer your tastebuds probably haven't matured yet. Most adults won't drink soda except as a mixer, because it's too sweet. This despite having learned the psychological effects of caffeine and sugar.
>alcohol and caffeine act differently, and humans in general differ a lot
Yet I find myself looking forward to my morning coffee despite not enjoying the taste (I do like it with milk and sugar but I drink it black on a cut). I just imagine the smell instead, similar to how smokers experience cravings for tobacco.
Complete bullshit. Ive always loved the flavour of coffee
I like the taste of coffee but not beer which throws a spanner in that theory.
>its another 'moron assumes everyone has the exact same tastes and experiences as himself' episode
yeah man remember when you were 6 and you ate a bag of marshmallows and puked? thats why we all hate marshmallows.
Cream? Milk? You americans are way beyond saving.
Stop taking starbucks shit as a reference for coffee, I beg you.
Normal, plain Espresso without ANY addition, is way better for your health.
Also it has a frickton of antioxidants.
Good goy
>americans
Watermelons taste fricking amazing, but I have no urge to eat them every morning, every day, every year. If I would feel as drained and miserable after eating even one watermelon, I would never eat them again, no matter how good they tasted.
You only drink the next cup of coffee to escape the feeling that the last cup of coffee caused.
Eventually you drink it just to feel normal, but you never feel normal because you drink. If the only reason and best part of drinking coffee is the temporary relief from withdrawal symptoms, why not quit and decide to feel like that all of the time?
I drink coffee when I feel like sperging out on Pokemon or transit systems or some other bullshit and want to focus
I have been eating watermelons every day for 2 months now. I cannot stop. I go through 3 a week on my own.
watch out anon, you’ll turn black. before you know it you’ll be speaking some demented form of “english” and harrassing people outside liqour stores looking for a fight
It actually only tastes good because your brain associates the flavor with the psychological benefits. If you didn't need it to function, it would taste like what it is: burnt bean soup.
Shut up homosexual. *Sips delicious Columbian brew*
Imagine being so proud of drinking diarrhea water.
Trying to justify the addiction that makes your life so miserable.
>Trying to justify the addiction that makes your life so miserable.
you’re gay as frick for worrying about what other men put in their mouths
i’m an empath which means i can relate to others, feel their emotions, and often be a helpful ear and shoulder to cry on. it hurts my feelings to see adults guzziling down this black garbage every single day and pains me knowing they’d get horrible withdrawl symptoms if they ever stopped
>i'm homosexual
glad we cleared that up
>shit BPD people say
you're a child, stick to your choco-milk
It's like cigarettes in the 90s.
>how did we get here?
8+ hour days and 40+ hour work week in unfulfilling meaningless careers. People are also so addicted to digital pleasure that they waste sleep hours on various dopamine hits.
Honestly, I don't really blame men anymore for jerking off. The average person will always sacrifice health for pleasure, and everyone knows how hard it is to get a girlfriend if you're the perfect social butterfly.
most addiction is just coping for how shitty life is
you should be forgiving with people most of the times
especially if it's simple mostly non destructive stuff like jerking off
its not like he is a crackjunky
This. When you’re forced to work 8 hours in a society that demands MAYBE 1-2 hours tops a day you go insane
There’s a reason people died in their 50s in the ford era when the 8 hour work day was introduced
>how did we get here?
It's obvious. The modern world of office jobs is a nightmare that we were never designed to coexist with.
Personally I need coffee, red bull, cigs, and my vape to convince me to stay at my desk and work for "8h" per day
a seed oil filled diet makes people feel sluggish so they have to use Black person beans to cope
How to quit caffeine/coffee? Cold turkey?
just quit
cream makes my guts swell it's horrible
yes, thats what i did.... and it was only like 1 day of having a slight headache, then maybe being a little more tired than usual for a few days
but now after being a month or so clean, it's nice not being dependent on it and having to plan things around your cup of coffee; also less anxiety and less stained teeth
I was getting 3 hours of sleep a night for a week straight from quitting coffee cold turkey and it got bad enough that I was hearing whispers and other schizo shit. Weaning off is probably the smarter thing to do.
You can half it once a week until you feel a buzz from drinking a small cup a once a week.
Once you get a actual buzz from 1-2 cups, you can stop when you don't want the buzz.
Correlation != causation
Do it reduce all cause mortality, or are the heavy coffee drinkers tougher?
Does it protect against Alzheimers, or do it offset it by delaying brain diabetes?
>Once you get a actual buzz from 1-2 cups, you can stop when you don't want the buzz.
Sounds about right. I woke up with a big strong one this morning and that might be enough for the day.
progressive deload
It is a classic example of placing short term gain over long term gain and feelings over logic.
Caffeine makes you feel good and gives you energy for a short period, however it also causes blood vessels in your brain to constrict making you temporarily moronic. As you grow dependent on caffeine, you then get a caffeine "low", your body adapts to the high glucose by using less, so when you are off the caffeine and blood glucose is normal, your become sluggish. Again this makes you moronic as your brain is now using less energy.
However it is not easy to detect what is happening, when you start using coffee you feel great and because dependence hasn't set in, your intelligence decreases, but you can't feel this. Because the dependence is gradual you don't connect it to coffee usage. You are only aware of the brief high you get shortly after drinking coffee.
Some call it the devil's bean, others the israelite's roast, in any case it shouldn't be in your veins.
Great essay. More people should be this articulate on here.
withdrawals legit make me stupid
I literally plan my caffeine breaks during vacations so that I can go a few weeks being braindead and relaxing.
But god damn when I get back into it I feel superhuman.
this is anecdotally true, coffee got me addicted and i never saw it coming and i have to take naps if i drink it too early or too much, it's fricked up. i'm quitting though
You posted a chart that has no context whatsoever (except maybe you were going for red = bad). I only found this random secondary article related to the image
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-11-caffeine-effect-brain-adenosine-receptors.html
and it says nothing about the negative effects youre going on about. The chart is measuring A1 receptor activity, which really doesn't mean anything without further context and research.
>reminder that coffee consumption reduces all-cause mortality
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31055709/
>reminder that coffee is neuroprotective against alzheimers
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnagi.2021.744872/full
>reminder that coffee is one of the few supplements that have an effect size worth using
*siiiiiiips* Nuh-uh anon, so talky before my coffee
>no talky before my coffee
Based and coffee: black-pilled
> reminder that coffee is neuroprotective against alzheimers
This is also the reason I drink coffee. Black & cold brew daily. Creams and milk are for treats.
It's a poisonous extract from a plant that protects it from herbivores. There's a reason why you can't ingest it raw just like with normal beans. Coffee is promoted so you can work and keep the system going. You're a drug addict
we learned to make fire and morons like you still go
>muh nature
>Corn syrup is an effective nootropic
And your opinion goes right into the trash
Wrong. Drinking caffeine at the same time of day every day regulates your entire body and creates homeostasis. Homeostasis is the key to health and longevity.
counterpoint: I like it and you're a gay
DEEZ homieS DRINKIN' BEANS;
if there were more decaf options, I'd use them.
That being said, I only drink 1 keurig cup a day. I don't sleep well due to sleep apnea and I'll often just go back to sleep after my coffee.
Coffee is only good for the first few weeks before you build tolerance and have to escalate usage. Then you become addicted and need to drink it so that you are not a miserable junkie prick in the morning.
Coffee drinkers think pic related is cute and funny, they don't see the problem with this.
Drinking coffee "to have more energy" is the weirdest rationalization I know.
Everyone I know that drinks coffee, soda and energy drinks are nervous wrecks with no energy already in their 20's and 30's. They cant sleep at night, never feel rested and are irritated most of the time. They are withered and drained human beings, slowly killed by their addiction to caffeine and decades of bad sleep.
After taking the time to learn how to properly make coffee and getting good beans I can say the coffee is the best part of every day for me. It could be decaffeinated for all I care, I love the taste so much bros
I quit all recreational drugs.
The hardest was smoking baccy.
Sometimes I miss the breakfast of champions:
baccy and covfefe
Checked, great pic, and based Anon. I will follow in your footsteps
>how did we get here?
I was 23-24 years old back in that day , I guess.
I moved to this city like about a year ago , my homeboy used to hit me up on my phone telling me "Yo , this guy searching for you ,he want to meet up" but I just kept ignoring until one day we sat at my place and got drunk with a good bottle.
So I picked up the phone and called that guy , he came after like thirty minutes and we chilled and got to know each other that day.
Few days has passed and the guy I met told me "You know he want to meet you , to talk to you and all" I said why not and just went with it.... we met that day at the cafe in southern part of the city , that was our first introduction.
Days keep passing by same with years , he was A French guy I gotta tell you , he taught me things that honestly I don't even want to speak about them , but we chilled a lot at that cafe on the corner , we knew probably all the waitresses and when they worked there.... The long summer days sitting and doing nothing but talking shit from ten in the morning until midnight and just chilling all around the city on his moped doing havoc.... we probably spent every second third morning together drinking espressos at that cafe , and he was my introduction into that "French lifestyle" , but anyway years passed , things happened , we both not on socials except I know his "Anonymous account" so I hit him up , "Anon I got tell ya Ive been down to the heavy drugs and shit and like you would believe , Its got so worse I needed to get out of that life"... we've been to more drama and now hes somewhere on the beautiful islands in the nowhere eating good.....
That cafe that we used to hang with the crew all night and days got sold and some guy bought it , I always find it funny when I pass it nowadays because the name of the cafe is almost identical to street name of the French guy I used to chill there.....I still drink espressos occasionally never taught this shit will hook me good through years...
Yeah I read that the half life of caffeine in the body is something like 6 hours, so it's maybe ok to drink it in the morning. Just it's horribly unhealthy to do what my coworkers do and have their 4pm coffee. I never looked coffee, but the occasional tea is good
It's better than drinking cokes, alcohol, energy drinks and pre-workout
I neglected coffee all my life but recently started drinking 1 espresso like 3-4h after waking up. Is this bad?
It's one cuppa in the morning and pic related for me, getting through a work day without any stimulants is hell.
you may now resume posting. I've finished my cup
just started a new job and everyone already hates me because i said i don't drink coffee
>family events
>job interviews
>dates
>random appointments
you literally feel like a minority when people give you weird looks for turning it down
>hey man want some coffee?
>no
>oh, okay...
Are you autism manifested in human form
I just lie and say something about doctor's orders whenever they try to push me to eat/drink something, frick coworker homosexualry
My body exists so that I can turn that black thing into a program code. It doesn't help that I live north from 60'N.
I love coffee. I went a few years without drinking it. Never noticed any difference so I back to drinking it because the taste is so good especially if you have dark chocolate with it. And why shouldn't I drink it anyway? My sleep is good because I work exhausting job and actually lift and do cardio instead of just posting on /fit whole day. So I sleep like a baby. In my dream today my sister and mother brought a tiger home but he wasn't very obedient with them. As for me he listened to my every command. It was a cool dream.
>And why shouldn't I drink it anyway?
All addicts love their drug you fricking idiot.
That's how all addictions start. First you feel like its harmless, but eventually it will frick you up. The more robust your body is the more it can take the punishment, but already are destroying yourself. When the side effects finally kick in, its already too late. Frick these teens are fricking stupid these days and cant appreciate their bodies and health. No matter how old you are, you should have energy and focus naturally from dusk till dawn without needing any energy drinks or diarrhea water. All the miserable caffee addicts were you at one point. None of them survived you brain rotten fricking idiot.
You sound mad bro. Have a cup of coffee and calm down.
Why addicts have this sad and desperate need to get others addicted?
Smokers, caffeine addicts, obese people and alcoholics all do the same.
This one's on me.
Don't be so dramatic you sperg
So what are the health side effects? With alcohol i feel it the next day, same with smoking. Coffee? None at all
Going through life while avoiding literally all vices sounds like a miserable fricking existence. And like with everything else, moderation is key. Anyone who consumes 5+ cups of coffee a day is a fricking idiot but there's no actual physiological or cognitive harm that comes from consuming 1 or 2 cups a day. The only negative part is being hooked to caffeine but literally who cares as long as it doesn't harm you?
muggycope right here
Imagine being so brain rotten that you believe there is some wonderful pleasure in poisoning yourself with ethanol, caffeine, nicotine, white cancer sludge and tar.
Instead of actually fixing your life, you just poison your dopamine reseptors and burn down your brains happiness center in moderation to escape your miserable fricking existence.
You are so lost that you have forgotten what true pleasure, genuine satisfaction and random waves of happiness even felt like. Fricking junkies.
You sound like you're 12. And you spell like it too.
>Opinion disregarded
>>"Mean man said the bad word. So I must keep destroying why health with this israelite liquid and always remain the same manbaby chasing instant gratification and avoiding any hard decision."
He said, while chasing dopamine hits in the form of (you)s on a Japanese cartoon forum.
Go ahead and deny it. Nobody believes you
Your mommy doesn't love you.
Deal with that. That's the real reason why you drink coffee. Also why do you react to obivious troll post? Surround yourself with positive, mentally healthy people instead. This place only attracts lonely attention seekers.
Pure projection
COFFEE CULTURE
You guys know you can buy like 500 count bottles of 200mg caffeine pills from Amazon for like 18 bucks?
If you can't control your coffee "addiction" you're ngmi. It's not nicotine or cocaine. If you can't handle it you're probably also addicted to smart phones, anime, IST, and masturbation.
When did this board become full of these fricking worthless morons trying to feel superior to other people over dumb shit like not eating vegetables or not drinking coffee? Coffee is neutral or slightly positive to health. It reduces all-cause mortality in studies and may even protect against neurodegenerative disease.
Always was. But I guess some people will grasp at the dumbest of reasons to delude themselves they're better than everyone else.
>Being this new to existance
>Not realizing that there is always a dominant vice and there will be a dominant vice long after coffee
Let me guess, this is one of those homosexualy threads where you lambast the majority of man for enjoying something you don't enjoy?
ive been drinking it at real dosages since i was 12 and every time i try to stop i can just stop
there are no downsides
>just had my morning cup
>how did we get here?
Society requires us to work a set schedule regardless of our natural rhythm. I'd be way more productive if I could take a nap and work later than having to ingest 400mg of caffeine to get through the day, but that's not how jobs work.
And I'm one of em. If I don't get my cuppa I'm depressed and constipated. When I do get my cuppa I'm euphoric and my bowel is empty. Hard not to like that.
Drink more tea
>31
>never drank coffee energy drinks sodas or other sugary or caffeinated things
>complete and utter pathetic suicidal loser
I should have drank coffee
I am addicted to caffeine and nicotine (snus)
My cope for being on mild stimulants 24/7 is
>it could be much worse
I lived the first 30 years of my life without coffee and I hated almost every single morning. I unironically believe I might have been a far better student if I started drinking coffee or even energy drinks back when I was a student. Even with proper nutrients and 7-8 hours of sleep you will never feel as energized as with 150mg of coffein. I recently tried to be abstinent for 3 months and it fricking sucked ass. It took me hours in the morning to get into the groove. This time felt pretty much useless and unproductive.
People were never really productive before caffeine and tobacco, those things built civilizations.
>what is Greco-Roman antiquity?
You mean when they used slaves for literally everything and gave them opium to numb the pain?
Americans switching from tea to coffee literally created modern plumbing and entire new fields of human engineering.
I used to chug two monsters a day, and quit cold turkey. I had headaches for two days and that was it. No I only drink caffeine if I got poor sleep the night before. It's really not that hard to quit.
muggies itt:
>it gives you drug like withdrawl symptoms
>b-but it's h-healthy, it just is okay!?
So the current dualism is ayo these homies drinking beans vs love me hot bean juice simple as
It's cringe. The redpilled take is to use coffee as a tool for mewing gains (calcium/iron breakdown and remineralization through diet) and more so the well documented metabolic health factors the substances in coffee provide. Peat covered some of this but never went far enough. The key is to use it infrequently as to never create caffeine dependence. So like every other day, and also an hour or so before workouts or meals that include any form of carbohydrates. Because it fricks with insulin resistance or something, I didn't read into it too much but that part seems legit. This is how we win.
Also never use cream or sugar, if you drink espresso just order a double or triple shot Americano or something instead while cutting. Look at pudgy and false coffee and donut/espresso and biscotti phenotypes, compared to low body fat black coffee Chads irl. Winners like it black and strong, like their women.
This is the most straightforward take you're gonna get.
>Because it fricks with insulin resistance or something, I didn't read into it too much but that part seems legit. This is how we win.
Just don't drink coffee on an empty stomach
Just don't drink coffee
Black cold-brew coffee tastes good, and sometimes I add whole milk to it.
But I dislike the withdrawal headaches, so I periodically wean myself off of caffeine.
I actually get sleepy at night when I'm off caffeine.
>feel a little drowsy and slower to wake up on days I don't drink it
withdrawal symptoms
Seriously, how fricking fragile are these gays? They act like going without your morning cup of coffee is the same as crashing from a fricking heroin addiction.
it's literally, not figuratively, just the nofap gays intruding into something else they think is too fun, and since they have personal problems with the smallest things, they assume evryone else does as well.
Denied life's pleasures to them feels "stoic" and manly, even though non one but themselves fricking cares that they bracvely stopped drinking coffee.
>using caffeine for alertness
>not MPH or modafinil
What is this, amateur hour?
>severe withdrawals
jesus christ normalgays have no clue what being an actual addict is like. i went cold turkey from numerous big cups of black coffee a day just because i wanted to get the buzz back from caffeine. oh no i had a little headache that went away after some water and not being a b***h about zomg i-i-i’m WITHDROOOWWING! I NEED MUH VAPE AND CAN OF MONSTER!!!
i frequently take a week off from nicotine too just to get the initial rush back from using it. learn how fricking drugs work and learn bow to cycle and you’ll never be “addicted” and always get the most out of it. i hate stoner homosexuals too that brag and rag on others for not using as much as them. you’re taking 3gram dabs of wax? good for you man thats good money wasted. i’ll be over here taking an edible 1/10th the dose and getting as high as you because i took a 2 week break.
I'm NEET with no responsibilites or schedule and still drink copious amounts of coffee.
Don't feel the fabled boost in energy from caffeine and don't experience anyadverse effects either, unless I have 4-5 cups in short succession - usually in winter when I crave hot beverages for comfiness. At that point I get a little fidgety. Hence I introduced decaf, but even that will mess with my head due to a placebo effect. Either that or the mechanism is something else entirely, i.e. hyponatremia from excessive fluid intake.
decaf isn’t entirely caffeine free i think anon, so you’re still getting a decent amount
I can’t comprehend people who think they need coffee as fuel to live life.. I just enjoy the flavors and the art of using pour overs to extract the best flavor out of all different kinds of bean origins and roasts. It’s something enjoyable to make and drink in my opinion.
Coffee withdrawal is a meme, I've been off coffee for a while and have noticed no change in my life
>I've been
good one
what's the matter, anon, not bottom friendly?
There is a theory that actually the entire Industrial Revolution and everything that followed was a consequence of the import of coffee and its adoption in Europe starting in the 16th/17th centuries.
Before that alcohol was the drink of choice and people drank beer much in the same way we drink coffee now.
>the entire Industrial Revolution and everything that followed was a consequence of the import of coffee
Even more reason to hate coffee
a double espresso or two just hits the right spot for me.
it's so good. although I fast from it at least 30-40 days/year just to reset.
Try dark roast beans and a bog standard espresso machine. If not, just a simple moka pot will do fine.
Coffee, tea and herbal infusions are God's gift to mankind.
I just add a teaspoon of coffee to my preworkout shake with protein, half a cup of oatz, a banana and a spoonful of peanut butter.
I don't drink it everyday, but I do enjoy a nice cup with some cream, most definitely.
It'll also help me shit when I can feel that I need to but it's not coming out for whatever reason (probably a lack of fiber, but hey my ass isn't greasy and I don't have to wipe for half an hour after) I drink 2 cups of coffee and it comes out no problem, no idea why, it just works.
Raw garlic downed with coffee is a god tier way to start the day.
No drugs tomorrow. No coffee, no weed, no tobacco.
>How long?
Forever, thanks for asking.