I like to wear a viking helmet, blast viking music, and pretend im on a ship and if i don't row faster i'm going to get whipped.
Low impact on joints, fully scaleable from Low intensity solid state to 100% max effort sprints, built like a tank used by olympic athletes to take all your abuse. Is this the ultimate cardio workout device?
Don't neglect heart day bros.
>concept 2
>it's like a peloton for basedbeards
cope
you wouldnt last 10 min
11 -12 minutes is my daily warm up (level 10, over 140 W at all time)
>level 10
that's not how you're supposed to row
>I have no idea how to use the damper and I brag about it
I guess there's no harm in being a dumb dude, but being an arrogant, dumb dude is on a very bad level.
>level 10
actual dumbass
It's either that or you sit there for 30 minutes below level 7, also I canoe during the summer sometimes, and I feel like it has to be above 6-7 to give similar fatigue in a shorter time.
>also I canoe during the summer sometimes,
How do you feel paddling compares to rowing, exercise wise? Also curious about double paddle vs single paddle. Also fixed seat traditional rowing vs sliding seat...
Don't have room for a machine but I do for a boat, but rowboat, kayak, or canoe, that's the question.
> paddling compares to rowing
rowing is more intense and more full body, paddling (fixed seat) can be intense (with no legs tho...) too if you aim for speed if that case (kayak are more for this, canoe is more for chilling and go A to B etc). When paddling , you mostly just use upper body, your arms do most of the work, rowing machine gets you legs involved too (my gym uses sliding seats).
TL:DR they are different, but for the arms I feel like both do the job, it's the lower body that is the big difference.
> Also fixed seat traditional rowing vs sliding seat...
I have never tried a sliding seat for paddling, again, I got old kayaks and canoes laying around in the barn that I just use, praying they won't sink (some are old ones that we found and repaired with Epoxy and fiber layers), again I'm just a LARPer with old shit hoping they wont break (i rec. having a life jacket onboard, even if you are a good swimmer!).
I prefer double paddle when alone, single if with company. But for exercise sake, I would def. go for double paddle to ensure symmetry. (I think it's harder for your back with a single paddle due to you tend to do a few strokes on one side rather than just one, and your sides have to do more static work on one side of the back then). Also, with a single paddle, your shoulders gets tired becuase of the switching sides thing, but IDK if it's because I use an old wood one, they are way heavier than the modern carbon fiber ones.
TL:DR I would recommend double paddle due to it's better for your back and easier muscle symmetry (+ easier for your shoulders).
what's wrong with level 10?
Unless you have absolutely perfect form and have been rowing for a long time to build the muscle base, damper setting 10 is asking for injuries.
10 is the highest resistance setting for any C2 machine. You're basically pulling against a vacuum because of the lack of airflow through the fan.
Go for a drag factor, rather than a damper setting. Look up drag factors on Google and see what level of rower uses what drag factor for training.
spend 5 minutes on youtube watching rowers explain the technique on these machines.
idiots like
get on them, put it on the highest setting for 5 minutes, go as fast as they can with awful techinque, and call it "cardio", its kind of funny watching them at gyms
>go as fast as they can with awful techinque,
here
No, I don't do it with "awful techinque", you don't need to go super fast to achieve 140W, reason you say this is because you probably didn't have a flowing full body movement, I'm betting on your legs are not doing any pushing.
True, I go 230 Watts or 1:55 split for an hour, that took a while though
>short-term
>max damper
Oh, you're a massive moron, got it.
That's the worst thing you can do.
what is a basedbeard at this point even? i don't think i'm offended
Wtf are you even talking about? Concept2 has made the gold standard rower for decades. It's high enough quality that commercial gyms actually use it. Peleton is just consumer garbage that benefited from well-orchestrated marketing.
Whatever you say poorgay with no space.
It's a solid workout for fatties. Just jump on, set the resistance at 4, and do proper technique (body between 11 and 1, legs, chest, arms).
Half the people I see on this machine don't use it properly. It's suppose to be a smooth workout not an HIIT. They throw it on 10, use their arms for most of the push, and throw their back out after 5 minutes.
I use it for 2k's and HIIT on Level 10 exclusively bru.
>Properly
If you wants the high intensity cardio gains where you stress your heart AND muscles then they are using it perfectly.
Best as a finisher when you wanna go all out at the end of your workout.
Based viking poster.
Rowing is the absolute best form of cardio on the planet and the concept 2 is the king of rowers. You made a wise choice, viking anon. May your heart gains lift you to valhalla.
No point in getting big if your heart fails. Way too many lifters not doing cardio. Literally ngmi.
I've rowed competitively in a team for years and know three people with athletic heart syndrome from rowing. Don't know if it's really unhealthy though, they won't ever stop training anyway
can't find anything online about this so i'm gonna ask you
the machine in my gym is neglected to the point where level 10 gives a drag factor of <90
how does this affect the split times?
If you're a male always go for a drag factor of 120-140, if you're under that it's like riding a bike in a too small gear, you'd have to kick ridiculously fast to get to speed. So a too low drag will slow your time
the machine physically can't get there, the max is about 84 i think
i'm almost at 1/2/3/4 for reps in my lifts and on the erg i can't pull less than 1:39, i thought i was crazy
Hm, probably an older machine. Still I'd guess your technique isn't great, more length in your stroke should help
No idea what drag factor is on machines I use, but at nearly every gym I've tried it on (4 different ones so far), it never seems to be heavy enough. Always feels like a cool down or warm up for me. I try to do 5x3 to simulate mma or muay thai rounds (what I train for).
3mins x 5 rounds I mean
Maybe, as I said it's like gears on a bike. Fastest is usually a setting of 5 or 6 for heavyweight rowers, which are 6'4+ and heavy. If you go full length and a stroke rate of 30, you'd die quicker than in 5 minutes
Here's the world record by a 6'4, 220lbs rower still only using like a 5 on the concept https://youtu.be/MyN9E417AIQ
Hahaha he's fricking listening to Darude. 100% approved.
You don't use an ergometer like that. Unlike what you might think, using it as some sort of short-burst quick reps "strength" machine is not some "secret technique" that puts you ahead.
It puts you in the hospital for a slipped disc and stroke (get it? stroke? haha, I didn't mean that until I typed it, lel).
But seriously. It's a cardio machine. You use it to monitor your heartrate for a long time. You're not some 6' 6" Dutch guy on the Olympic team.
Here's an interesting video on drag factor. One thing to note is the damper setting won't get you the same drag factor across different machines. Under "More Options" on the monitor you can have it display actual drag factor and adjust that specifically.
my technique is fine, i used to row 2 years for a local team before they shut down for renovations which took forever
In that case it really is a shitty rower. Most times it's beginners fricking up the technique though
yeah, i don't think in 2 years i've been going to this gym, not one person had good form, not even with pts supervising
the main problem that causes this is dust that prevents the air from leaving the flywheel cage. concept2s are built like tanks and easy to maintenance, maybe your gym would let you? https://www.concept2.com/files/pdf/us/indoor-rowers/DE_FlywheelCleaning.pdf
>athletic heart syndrome
is this just a heart murmur?
I think its the extremly slow heart rate thing.
grduating this semester and done being a rower. Never going to touch these things again
I like to look at the watt display. What about you guys?
you should look at the metric by which you are trying to compare/assess/gauge your intervals
i know my ftp on the bike so i use watts there but on the erg i go by splits
I like to look at Dragonball z and other animes why I row my indoor boat. I zone out and forget I'm even rowing. Such a dope workout
i play the fishy game
Usually I listen to music and day dream but recently I've been listening to music and looking at myself in the mirror. It has really helped improve my form.
Force curve + the new Frasier bluray
>the new Frasier bluray
the mosted patrician thing ever posted on IST.. im patiently waiting on the torrents
There's some on Rar at 60 GB a season if you have enough space for it.
I don't know when a better encoding will be up.
meters. i like to lookup the length of various bodies of water and challenge myself to row them
Heh. I pretend I've been captured by cannibals and broke free, and am rowing away from them in a canoe through a swamp with a crocodile chasing me!
I bought one last year. It sat unused for most of last winter as I fixed up the house I bought in November but I've been on the Pete Plan consistently for the last five months, minus the one month I was layed up in bed with several allergies.
Just finished the week two sprint interval and nearly died, but I'm riding the high now.
What app is this? U did this with concept 2? How?
ErgData app. It's put out directly by Concept2. Just open it on your phone and it will connect to the rower, plus will automatically sync everything to the Concept2 Logbook.
kek
The Concept2 ergs I used were "older" back in 2006. It didn't have an app that connected to my cellular phone.
Also, this was interesting because I lowered the drag factor from my usual 130 to 120, so I was pushing the peak of my force curve and moving through the drive quicker. I had just been doing 130 for everything but am trying some advice I saw that would put someone with my stats more around 90 for UT2, 100 for UT1, 115 for 2k race, and 120 for all out sprints.
https://thepeteplan.wordpress.com/beginner-training/
>i don't row faster i'm going to get whipped.
no joke i'm half-considering paying a dominatrix to coach my rowing workout
You should get a big fat dude with a drum too
Rowing playlist for you based Vikings: https://youtu.be/vYNAEzgKNec
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That's literally me in the video.
To valhalla my viking rowing brothers.
You wish that was you homosexual.
Let him literally me post you dork
Anyone done a marathon? I gave my first one a go a few weeks back. Kept it to a pace I knew for sure I could handle in terms of cardio and muscle fatigue for the length. The only problem I ran into was legs getting crampy in the last 5k. I'd like to try to maybe do one every month or two and see if I can't push it up into actual UT1 territory.
supplement electrolytes and maybe some sugar midway, you lose more than you realize in long rowing workouts
Yup, I used a bunch of electrolyte drinks, took magnesium supplements leading up, and drank a strawberry banana smoothy over the course of the workout. The cramps weren't too bad so I think if I can keep that prep routine going I'll be able to push harder over time as my body adapts to such a long effort.
Post body pls
6'1" 178 skinnyfat.
You probably needed to eat a meal before the race started and also snacked on something halfway through.
Don't think of performing a marathon like it's training. That's an event.
fun cardio
i also enjoy riding a static bike, or doing burpees
How's rowing compared to kettlebell swings? They seem somewhat similar in that they use most of the same muscles.
I just got this machine this week and I hyped as frick to start tearing it up on this bad boy. Hoping it changes my life in a real positive way.
Is this a Pete's training plan a good beginners plan to get started with?
Seems pretty based
https://thepeteplan.wordpress.com/beginner-training/
Pete Plan is great.
Probably not.
Will my legs become like tree trunks from rowing everyday?
Probably yeah, rowing is 70% legs and many rowers are decent cyclists as well
Fwiw Pinsent (far right) rowed a 5:42.3 2k, which needless to say is world class as it stood as a record for quite a while. None of these guys particularly scream "I'm an elite level athlete" just by a glance at their build. The thing about rowing is that even though it's a power sport, it's also very very much an endurance sport, and lots of the best rowers in the world don't look super muscley.
Mate, I'm a 6'5, 230lbs rower and have met several world champions and Olympic gold medalists. In real life these guys are huge, even for me. Not taller than me, but overall thicker without being big in one place. One dude won the eight in 2012 (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Mennigen) and had the biggest hands (and probably feet) I've ever seen. Rowed with him once, incredible power output even almost a decade after his retirement
Bro...
That's years after his retirement. Still did 35 dips after training. But yeah, I've far better arms and upper body in general, despite being a far worse rower.
Here's a pic of active rowers that famously never lifted weights: https://www.erikdresser.com/img/s/v-10/p1426761338-3.jpg
To be fair, though, athletes who don't do bodybuilding usually look like shit.
yep, water retention from excess carb consumption + muscular atrophy from never training upper body
as a bodybuilding enthusias, i will sadly admit that jacked arms are mostly just for show
a strong core and forearms, and proportionately small but well-developed legs, are the core of most athletic builds i have seen
My point isn't that these guys aren't properionally massive, just that if you're an average person, rowing isn't going to be the best way to get huge legs. It'll get you into great shape and you'll have plenty more muscle than if you were sedentary, but that's not what who I was replying to was asking.
Hard to argue with this. Never understand the moronic “but Olympic athletes who’s re the genetic elite of the sport have good bodies” arguments. Swimming climbing and ESPECIALLY sprinting are other good examples. Olympic sprinters who lift weights all the time and are on all kinds of gear are muscular therefore this proves sprinting gets you jacked. Rowing same thing. Any top rower is going to have broad shoulders and a large body otherwise they wouldn’t be a top rower
>Any top rower is going to have broad shoulders and a large body otherwise they wouldn’t be a top rower
Heavyweights are tall, that's true, the broad shoulders are from the insane amounts of vertical pulling though imo. I went up two shirt sizes in my career
I meant horizontal pulling, english is my third language
better body than 99% of fit
Balanced AND healthy. fricking nice comp.
Why do rowers usually look healthy and slightly muscular while cyclists, another popular low intensity workout, look sickly and weak?
it´s not low intensity. More like racecycling for the whole body. Distances are 350m to 2000m, in winter there´s longer ones and the big oxford-cambridge is too long as well.
>So you're saying that the muscles enlarge or that you actually just seem wider?
Gained a lot of muscle in my upper back, the stretch is extreme sometimes so who knows, slight changes in skeletal structure are common in many sports, here´s pic of me from two summers ago, no weight training at all
Looking good brah (no homo)
Bordering on Apollo mode tbh
So you're saying that the muscles enlarge or that you actually just seem wider? Or both? Steve Reeves believed the clavicles could be more developed from certain stretches that mimick rowing and swimming because he thought the shoulder blades could be "loosened" in a sense. He wrote articles about this.
His shoulders seem almost unnaturally wide with his waist being so narrow and you can tell his bones weren't small like Zane's. You can also tell he's not compensating with delt development. His delts only really had.that thick cannonball look when he had a really good pump going unlike most /frauds/.
3rd from right is basically a three day fast away from ottermode. Likely carrying a little extra bodyfat helps at such an elite level though.
Nice wieners tho
>None of these guys particularly scream "I'm an elite level athlete" just by a glance at their build.
>The thing about rowing is that even though it's a power sport, it's also very very much an endurance sport, and lots of the best rowers in the world don't look super muscley.
And yet, these "not super muscley" guys are probably so strong they could judo through you 20 feet away.
Another two things to note:
1. They aren't taking "mass explosive strength" drugs, they're taking "last as long as you possibly can" drugs. They're not going to "look huge."
2. All of these guys are like approaching 2 meters tall. Getting "swole" is realllllllllllllllly hard to do when your sport is cardio and you're lanky as frick. It won't happen.
Once more, the question was "will rowing give me tree trunk legs?" The answer is "no not really" and that is completely unrelated to the fact that Redgrave could toss me across The Channel.
Chances are, when anon asks about "tree trunk" sized legs, he means
>5% body fat
>disproportionately large quads compared to a tiny waist and upper body
>muscle mass should be on tier with Ronnie Coleman
and probably doesn't realize that getting so large is such a fantasy, he thinks "Starting Strength" will give him t-rex legs.
I'm not being a petty rower who's tall and didn't get huge legs,
I'm being a petty fitness nut who constantly hears people's goals of "getting huge" they think it will take about 3 months of adding 2 protein shakes to their already comical diet and going to the gym twice a week but obviously stop going before the month is even over because it's "too much work."
And by the opposite misconception, women who don't won't lift weights because they "don't want to look like Arnold."
So, no; being a world-champion rower won't make you look like Dorian Yates.
Neither will doing his workout for 5 years.
Doing his workout for 5 years on maxxxxed out gear will help, though.
But, will using an erg like a professional athlete for 1 year give you big, strong legs?
Yes. Yes, you better fricking believe it will.
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Any rowing bros have pectus excavatum? Did it improve visually as a result of rowing?
I can't do rowing machines, for some reason I get super bored. When I do cardio that involves walking or jogging I can watch Owen benjamin podcasts or whatever, but on a rower I can't watch anything because of the sliding back and forth. I think the sitting down is the problem
any advantages or cable or water rower over a piston one?
Yes, the only ones that work are the cable rowers. The only ones to use if you're serious are concept and rowperfect
Piston rowers are dogshit and are not durable. Pistons become leaky and stop functioning properly after a few months/1-2 years (depending on frequency) of use. During a moderate to long session, the pistons will heat up significantly due to friction and lose a lot of resistance.
The only advantage I can think of for a piston rower is that it can provide far high resistance than an air rower, which may be beneficial if you're looking for more explosive training.
t. used pic related Kettler rower every day as a teen.
how long is a good target for being able to row non-stop. Right now I'm aiming to be able to row non-stop for around 30 minutes. Is that a decent goal rowbros?
t. cardiolet
Try to gauge it based on how hard your workouts feel. Try to do a lot of training at a low stroke rate and put in a level of intensity to the drive that you can string together a sentence, but talking more than that would disrupt your rhythm. That's your UT2 training zone and is great to do for anywhere from 1 to 2 hours. Of course, start out with shorter pieces and work your way up. Big thing though is you don't need to be pushing super hard and struggling to get through 15 or 20 minutes. Steady state makes up the huge part of rowing work.
why do i almost faint every time i row (or sprint as well)? I get lightheaded and feel about to collapse? When i drink something sugary it helps. Any thoughts?
Go to a cardiologist bro it could be series and require a pacemaker
>gonna get whipped
This is weak and in particular an anti-Germanic instinct. Rather you should look at it as the faster you get wherever you're going, you have first access to tame the best strange, get the best works of gold and etc. Outside of races and with these machines especially rowing is delayed-gratification by design. But there are few things more fun as a boy than racing and, for me, it's boat racing.
t. Anglo BVLL
I love the chadcept 2. Do it for 40mins twice a week on 5 or 6 with proper form. I enjoy when people get on the one next to me and crank it up to 10, then pull with their arms and backs and get gassed in 5 minutes. makes me feel like a big man.
Sounds like this will be the perfect track for you to listen to while rowing fellow vikingbro
>not posting this cinematic masterpiece
One arm elbow push-ups it is
w-what
>joined college rowing club
>still suck ass at rowing
I guess it just isnt for me
lol know the feeling, I was in 5 sports teams in highschool had dropped that to 2 by college because I fairly concluded if I couldn't compete even interschool / university level clearly I wasn't that good at it. Still won a few things tho.
I've always thought this was some ancient rape / torture device. Turned out its a modern rower.
Personally I find them shit compared to basically everything else.
Running blows my knees out, there are no pools to swim in or trails to ride my bicycle on near me. This is the most based form of cardio for an anon like me.
You can absolutely torture yourself on this and it can take all the abuse you throw at it.
Imagine not taking the indoor Viking rowing pill.
if you are brave enough, it will take you deep into the pain cave and show you the face of Christ
lmao this
high intensity cardio on these things will show you what true suffering really is
Everyone did their steady state today, right? Tried the advice of Travis Gardner and put the drag factor way down to 90 and kept a very low stroke rate to force keeping quick through the power stroke. The workout felt good and it definitely forces you to pay close attention to form and keep focused on your breath.
I do 2 x 500 at just over 3mins on this thing and I cant walk. I will make it though. What should my next goal be.
https://thepeteplan.wordpress.com/beginner-training/
Thanks fren
Bros I’m gonna give the rowing a try for a few weeks and see if I like it then probably buy a concept 2 for home instead of using it at the work gym
your legs are going to burn for the first two weeks but know that you're body will get used to this and ultimately it will get easier. Work on your form, and getting a smooth power curve on the display.
Personally, i like the mental cue, legs-core-lats. Drive with the legs first, transition to the back angle, then finish with the lats; all in one smooth motion.
1. Difficult to perform safely
Seriously, the #1 risk of using an erg is that keeping "good form" is VERY, VERY difficult. The entire goal of an erg is to do it for A LONG TIME. And the form, when done poorly, DESTROYS your back and shoulders. Getting ergometer form wrong for 40 minutes would OBLITERATE your physical health for MONTHS.
2. I guarantee it will give you hemorrhoids.
No joke. Balancing most of your weight directly on your anus, which is sitting on this ROCK HARD TINY SEAT, as you push all your strength into your glutes and quads and hams and calves and back and legs, basically RUSHING BLOOD into your ass for 40 minutes of cardio... you're GOING to regret that decision as you sit on the toilet crying with how badly your butthole stings like a stabbing cut from a kitchen knife.
Unless you're on a rowing team and/or you're being 1:1 strictly trained by someone who knows PRECISELY how to perform this exercise and is making sure you're getting right... frick no. Don't use an erg.
Conversely, if you're a pro, damn this this will give you a workout, holy shit.
Based. All I can think of now is amon amarth blasting while you're being cool as hell. I really hope you do it in a public gym.
I like rowing machines. I also like fan bikes for sprints. I think those have been pretty popular in meme fitness, but they're definitely hell for 20mins of sprints. Lots of scaling resistance.
When my ankle wasn't fricked and I would run sand hills, I liked to pretend my viking raiding party just hit a beach head and I had to storm the hill under fire from archers. Also listening to viking music.
Viking music is best music for cardio.