It's true, yo-yo dieting and "going on a diet" doesn't work. Changing eating habits in a constructive way and doing a sport or physical activity you enjoy do work though.
self-selection bias and survivorship bias influence how people think tremendously. many very rich people think luck didn't play a role in their success and that it was all due to their hard work, while in reality plenty of people work hard but don't become as successful because they lack the enormous luck some do get. for overall life outcomes, the most important luck factor is intelligence (determined at birth and early childhood). it's something you have no control over, yet it determines your chance at success to a large degree. and obviously where you're born is a huge luck factor as well. even the smartest and most hard working north korean will probably just get an early death from malnutrition or get shot for bad thought or whatever.
Exactly. I'm not gonna read the whole article, I'm not that curious, but this opening intrigues me with a controversial, seemingly dumb take, making me want to read the rest. That is to say, it succeeds as an opening to an article, but becomes laughable as the image on a IST thread. Medium is the message. If I got to ask one question of someone who'd read the article, it would be about the target of her criticism. Does she truly question the utility of trying to diet or improve oneself in any way, or does she question the market utility of the massive, abusive diet industry? If the latter, then it seems like a worthwhile essay.
And one follow-on from the luck insight: what is to be done about it? We've heard dozens of answers to this question, everything from "redistribute all material resources to ensure equity among all participants in society" to "redistribute access to political power to maximize participation of the most intelligent people in society." It's worth pondering what it's like to believe each end of this spectrum. At the end of the day, if the worst outcome of my being perceived as unintelligent is that I don't get to hang with self-centered bozos like
The people who don't even try and the 95% of people who can't keep weight off are clearly less competent than physically fit people.
My response is I've lived a healthy live style and know how fricking unbelievably easy it is to maintain. If I see somebody who is not in good shape I look down on them. When I see other people who are in good shape I know they are a person of talent and ability.
I don't owe you anything and will not be empathetic for your inability to achieve something so basic. This philosophy has done me well in life, in climbing the social ladder and earning good friends while avoiding toxic people like those who can't be bothered to achieve the bare minimum of health; which I know from first hand experience is easy to achieve.
Let me spell it out to you: I think the person who wrote that and any subhuman that agrees with it is below me. I cash checks, live in a big house, and know I'm right while you gargle disgusting cornsyrup slop when you feel slightly tired. This is the difference between the two of us you pack animal.
then i won't be losing any sleep. If, on the other hand, being perceived as unintelligent means people like
The people who don't even try and the 95% of people who can't keep weight off are clearly less competent than physically fit people.
My response is I've lived a healthy live style and know how fricking unbelievably easy it is to maintain. If I see somebody who is not in good shape I look down on them. When I see other people who are in good shape I know they are a person of talent and ability.
I don't owe you anything and will not be empathetic for your inability to achieve something so basic. This philosophy has done me well in life, in climbing the social ladder and earning good friends while avoiding toxic people like those who can't be bothered to achieve the bare minimum of health; which I know from first hand experience is easy to achieve.
Let me spell it out to you: I think the person who wrote that and any subhuman that agrees with it is below me. I cash checks, live in a big house, and know I'm right while you gargle disgusting cornsyrup slop when you feel slightly tired. This is the difference between the two of us you pack animal.
get to infringe on my rights, then I have a problem.
You don't need to worry about him, I'm pretty sure I know exactly who he is lol. He lives off daddy's money and his entire life is a massive psychological cope. Also he's not the one who cut contact in the first place
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He does seem to have a distinctive style, I enjoyed the post.
Seems like the same old garbage that's been regurgitated since it came out.
"Waaah, diets don't work, people gain it all back, sometimes even more"
"Muh starvation mode"
"99% of diets fail"
Yeah no shit, if you decide to call it quits after a week then the diet technically failed, but not because caloric restriction and eating healthy doesn't work.
This isn't even a debate, it's just coping fatties trying to convince us that there is a need to discuss this shit.
People have learned to think >diet = temporary restriction to help lose weight
When in reality diet should mean >what you eat everyday for the rest of your life.
So instead of just making permanent healthy changes, or eat unhealthy things in reasonable moderation long term, they go on these crash diets, and of course they fail or gain it back immediately.
The people who don't even try and the 95% of people who can't keep weight off are clearly less competent than physically fit people.
My response is I've lived a healthy live style and know how fricking unbelievably easy it is to maintain. If I see somebody who is not in good shape I look down on them. When I see other people who are in good shape I know they are a person of talent and ability.
I don't owe you anything and will not be empathetic for your inability to achieve something so basic. This philosophy has done me well in life, in climbing the social ladder and earning good friends while avoiding toxic people like those who can't be bothered to achieve the bare minimum of health; which I know from first hand experience is easy to achieve.
Let me spell it out to you: I think the person who wrote that and any subhuman that agrees with it is below me. I cash checks, live in a big house, and know I'm right while you gargle disgusting cornsyrup slop when you feel slightly tired. This is the difference between the two of us you pack animal.
oh no someone posted an article online
why are we acting like this is going in the encyclopaedia, or that encyclopaedias are still a fricking thing?
IST in the singular?
frick off with the culture war and lift something
>Are they just trying to memory hole everything prior to 2000?
Yes. They're also trying to outright ignore the fact that none of these fatties' ancestors were fat.
>On average across EU countries, more than one in six adults (17%) were obese in 2018
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/8cdeadfa-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/8cdeadfa-en >data from the CDC indicate that the U.S. obesity average was 12% in 1990
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18717205/
>the average eurochimp today is about as fat as the average amerilard circa 1995 >compared to the current US obesity charts, said eurochimps are comparatively slim
My country needs a fricking nuclear holocaust.
It's incredible how weak-willed most people are. I lost 20kg when I was 12, and that was just the beginning of my struggle (not with weight, I was lean ever since).
>diet and exercise may help you lose weight, but you won't keep the weight off because you don't keep dieting and exercising, therefore diet and exercise don't make you lose weight
Why can't these lazy fricks just say they don't want to exercise and eat right because it's hard? At least then we know they're just lazy and not trying to fool hundreds of millions of people because they don't feel like going for a walk.
Their data is correct, but their conclusion is completely off the mark.
Rapidly changing to a new diet is fricking moronic and you won't stick to it, do littlle shit like cutting your meal size by 10%. The actual exercise can come later too, or you can do little things like park a minute away from work.
The society we've built nominally rewards economic achievement, but actually rewards psychological suggestibility. Our institutions hand us our marching orders from the day we first enter school, where we learn to follow specific directions from an ever-expanding cast of bosses, but never get the straight dope on the most important skill to live an actual satisfying life: the ability to set goals for yourself, even if they start out so small you barely notice them, and then slowly expand them over time. I think this is what the line about "the faith of a mustard seed" is saying.
Being fat is a potent, concentrated form of failure. Communicates all you need to know about a person's time preference. Carrying around fat literally shortens your life. Eating those second and third twinkies tells your family, your children, that you'd rather eat the twinkie now than live an extra year with them.
>five percent chance succeeding
The flaw with that argument is that you can try a new diet as many times as you want and essentially guarantee success that way.
Collect and reflect. Periods of dietary restriction, fasting, hunger must balance out periods of experimentation, indulgence, satiety. If you can manifest the principle of alternating collection and reflection in your diet, you will find that it manifests in other parts of your life as well, to your benefit. But it must come from within. If you find yourself jumping from external solution to external solution, you will always fail.
Be kind to yourself. You can lose the weight, inshallah.
It's just cope for people who don't want to change their habits.
Wtf is this logic
>most people fail to keep up with a diet or regular excercise
>so diet and excercise are wrong and you’re better off not even trying
>Millions of people try and fail to get rich through their jobs
>It's better to not earn money at all
This is actually the common narrative too though. Just look at “survivorship bias” coping.
It's true, yo-yo dieting and "going on a diet" doesn't work. Changing eating habits in a constructive way and doing a sport or physical activity you enjoy do work though.
self-selection bias and survivorship bias influence how people think tremendously. many very rich people think luck didn't play a role in their success and that it was all due to their hard work, while in reality plenty of people work hard but don't become as successful because they lack the enormous luck some do get. for overall life outcomes, the most important luck factor is intelligence (determined at birth and early childhood). it's something you have no control over, yet it determines your chance at success to a large degree. and obviously where you're born is a huge luck factor as well. even the smartest and most hard working north korean will probably just get an early death from malnutrition or get shot for bad thought or whatever.
Exactly. I'm not gonna read the whole article, I'm not that curious, but this opening intrigues me with a controversial, seemingly dumb take, making me want to read the rest. That is to say, it succeeds as an opening to an article, but becomes laughable as the image on a IST thread. Medium is the message. If I got to ask one question of someone who'd read the article, it would be about the target of her criticism. Does she truly question the utility of trying to diet or improve oneself in any way, or does she question the market utility of the massive, abusive diet industry? If the latter, then it seems like a worthwhile essay.
And one follow-on from the luck insight: what is to be done about it? We've heard dozens of answers to this question, everything from "redistribute all material resources to ensure equity among all participants in society" to "redistribute access to political power to maximize participation of the most intelligent people in society." It's worth pondering what it's like to believe each end of this spectrum. At the end of the day, if the worst outcome of my being perceived as unintelligent is that I don't get to hang with self-centered bozos like
then i won't be losing any sleep. If, on the other hand, being perceived as unintelligent means people like
get to infringe on my rights, then I have a problem.
You don't need to worry about him, I'm pretty sure I know exactly who he is lol. He lives off daddy's money and his entire life is a massive psychological cope. Also he's not the one who cut contact in the first place
He does seem to have a distinctive style, I enjoyed the post.
>Most alcoholics who stop drinking will start again.
Better just keep on drinking then.
Listen you're never going to be able to quit heroin
Have you tried eating less junk food and exercising more? Like really tried? No? Well then
Seems like the same old garbage that's been regurgitated since it came out.
"Waaah, diets don't work, people gain it all back, sometimes even more"
"Muh starvation mode"
"99% of diets fail"
Yeah no shit, if you decide to call it quits after a week then the diet technically failed, but not because caloric restriction and eating healthy doesn't work.
This isn't even a debate, it's just coping fatties trying to convince us that there is a need to discuss this shit.
People have learned to think
>diet = temporary restriction to help lose weight
When in reality diet should mean
>what you eat everyday for the rest of your life.
So instead of just making permanent healthy changes, or eat unhealthy things in reasonable moderation long term, they go on these crash diets, and of course they fail or gain it back immediately.
show me an image of the author and we will know if it’s cope.
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take your meds
>yeah you can lose weight, you just can’t keep it off for more than 5 years!
>so umm the solution is to do nothing.
>yo-yo dieting
The people who don't even try and the 95% of people who can't keep weight off are clearly less competent than physically fit people.
My response is I've lived a healthy live style and know how fricking unbelievably easy it is to maintain. If I see somebody who is not in good shape I look down on them. When I see other people who are in good shape I know they are a person of talent and ability.
I don't owe you anything and will not be empathetic for your inability to achieve something so basic. This philosophy has done me well in life, in climbing the social ladder and earning good friends while avoiding toxic people like those who can't be bothered to achieve the bare minimum of health; which I know from first hand experience is easy to achieve.
Let me spell it out to you: I think the person who wrote that and any subhuman that agrees with it is below me. I cash checks, live in a big house, and know I'm right while you gargle disgusting cornsyrup slop when you feel slightly tired. This is the difference between the two of us you pack animal.
Frick off Jack
is this who you want to take your health and fitness advice from?
Fitness, no. Investment? Probably.
If somebody asked me to draw what an ulterior motive looks like, it would look like this.
>Self improvement is hard and eating donuts is easy, so just rot
>Julius.jpg
more fatties?? good!
less competition for me
FUAAAARK
Less opportunities too, unless you're into fricking obese c**ts
nah, younger women are easily peer pressured into losing weight
only lazy old b***hes will stay fat
women should never have been granted voting rights
its all so tiresome
>I thought this read "The Weight of Existence"
this is unironically worse
oh no someone posted an article online
why are we acting like this is going in the encyclopaedia, or that encyclopaedias are still a fricking thing?
IST in the singular?
frick off with the culture war and lift something
>Your chance of keeping the weight off is the same as surviving metastatic lung cancer
When she gets cancer, let's see if she gets treatment or learns to accept her body the way it is and love her cancer cells.
>What is IST's response to this article?
What happened there? Carra and Neville doing commentary together? What?
Are they just trying to memory hole everything prior to 2000? US obesity rate in 1990 was 12%
>Are they just trying to memory hole everything prior to 2000?
Yes. They're also trying to outright ignore the fact that none of these fatties' ancestors were fat.
>On average across EU countries, more than one in six adults (17%) were obese in 2018
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/8cdeadfa-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/8cdeadfa-en
>data from the CDC indicate that the U.S. obesity average was 12% in 1990
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18717205/
>the average eurochimp today is about as fat as the average amerilard circa 1995
>compared to the current US obesity charts, said eurochimps are comparatively slim
My country needs a fricking nuclear holocaust.
It's incredible how weak-willed most people are. I lost 20kg when I was 12, and that was just the beginning of my struggle (not with weight, I was lean ever since).
>diet and exercise may help you lose weight, but you won't keep the weight off because you don't keep dieting and exercising, therefore diet and exercise don't make you lose weight
Why can't these lazy fricks just say they don't want to exercise and eat right because it's hard? At least then we know they're just lazy and not trying to fool hundreds of millions of people because they don't feel like going for a walk.
Their data is correct, but their conclusion is completely off the mark.
Rapidly changing to a new diet is fricking moronic and you won't stick to it, do littlle shit like cutting your meal size by 10%. The actual exercise can come later too, or you can do little things like park a minute away from work.
The society we've built nominally rewards economic achievement, but actually rewards psychological suggestibility. Our institutions hand us our marching orders from the day we first enter school, where we learn to follow specific directions from an ever-expanding cast of bosses, but never get the straight dope on the most important skill to live an actual satisfying life: the ability to set goals for yourself, even if they start out so small you barely notice them, and then slowly expand them over time. I think this is what the line about "the faith of a mustard seed" is saying.
Being fat is a potent, concentrated form of failure. Communicates all you need to know about a person's time preference. Carrying around fat literally shortens your life. Eating those second and third twinkies tells your family, your children, that you'd rather eat the twinkie now than live an extra year with them.
Choose life.
I hate my family and I'm thin. Checkmate.
confirmed smoker, you fit the profile to a T
>five percent chance succeeding
The flaw with that argument is that you can try a new diet as many times as you want and essentially guarantee success that way.
Collect and reflect. Periods of dietary restriction, fasting, hunger must balance out periods of experimentation, indulgence, satiety. If you can manifest the principle of alternating collection and reflection in your diet, you will find that it manifests in other parts of your life as well, to your benefit. But it must come from within. If you find yourself jumping from external solution to external solution, you will always fail.
Be kind to yourself. You can lose the weight, inshallah.
Harriet Brown is a seething fat