What is best martial arts IST I am thinking of supplementing my weight training with martial arts to actually not be a gymcel homosexual but actually can defend myself.
I am thinking of doing boxing or muay thai
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none of them are useful
learning martial arts can close the gap with learning what your body is capable of
doing shadow boxing at home is better than nothing, but getting taught from a teacher about different styles can make you better, and getting into a dojo to actually spar with strangers is something that is the goal so I agree with you
I want to do something of mixed martial arts shit cuz real life is complex and a lot of different art styles can come handy
I did judo when I was a kid but didn't go further than yellow belt and few tournaments lol
Do you watch any fighting?
I like to watch UFC, old pridefc fights and muay thai here and there
not to be an butthole but that seems performative and not having any real application in real world
>learning martial arts can close the gap with learning what your body is capable of
as someone who has been fighting most my life
and i'm not talking that professional show bullshit, just fighting people as a kid, a teen, going the martial arts route, the military, and sticking to a gym so I can keep sparring.
It has little or nothing to do with the martial art.
Fighting spirit, a willingness to take a beating, an affinity for practical application, and positive sensitivity to tactile, visual, and other sense based activities matter. The rest is just putting the hours in. If you fight a person with no formal training, but dedicates their life to physical activity and just sparring. You're going to get your ass kicked. Some 280lb dude is just going to cave your skull in like it's nothing.
So once again the fighting style matters little in the average percentile man unless you fit into a criteria that gives you a reason to choose it. If you've got a long reach and are lean (for your weight category) boxing almost always is a easy choice as it directly advantages you.
If you've got long legs and you're a squirrely son of a b***h. Kickboxing is a good choice.
If you're a king of manlet like me, with an affinity for pull motions. You'll dominate in the grappling community.
So what are you good at? figure it out and just choose the one best suitable for you with the choices available m8. However even though you can be a good MT fighter, you might have been a much better X, Y, or Z fighter because your body movements are more natural for it.
I instantly go in for the grapple if the person is the same size as me, it's always worked unless they were an equal trained grappler also. It's my strength and it freaks people out who are use to the "we gon fist fight" crowd who always try to keep a minimum distance.
well my affinity is for short explosive movements
I did fight a couple of times in school and would win and lose a lot but I never liked being a b***h, I liked to duke it out standing
I wonder where I can get a sparring partner without a gym tho, shit sucks my gym partner is all into cardio
I might have to actually go and spar randoms on the street or just try to get one of my friends to spar
You might do well in throwing, Judo is extremely explosive. it's constant countering until you find your moment and just all energy into that individual second. However most arts have evolved to have a countering style that relies on explosive movements when the opening is provided. So you might want to be a little more objective?
I'm an endurance fighter who likes to grapple, so jujitsu, sambo, general grappling variants always made me feel confident. As I would just keep wrestling no matter how bad I was getting beaten until the other party got tired and I would beat them twice as bad. The whole time they are sweating and panting and I'd just be breathing a little heavy.
I can't really help you much more than that man. Just kind of look inside yourself and see what you see. Are you good with foot work, like do you skateboard or any other activity that shows affinity for balance and foot work?
Just keep looking and choose a style that compliments it. It's not something you should really ask us since it's your body.
Thank you a lot mate, I will find out what works the best for me
A guy that dedicated his life to physical activity probably won't weigh 280
>If you fight a person with no formal training, but dedicates their life to physical activity and just sparring. You're going to get your ass kicked. Some 280lb dude is just going to cave your skull in like it's nothing.
Lmao
Denying the fact that the professional fighter he was fighting is above 200lbs as he is not cutting for a fight and this above victim weight. Cope
Kimbo and all those big dudes in Pride also got shitkicked
Fighting other heavyweights. You're fricking moronic. If you weigh under 180lbs and fight someone over 200lbs you're fricked. Even the amateur fighters and the one PFL guy at my gym can't beat me in a fight simply because I outweigh them by over 50lbs, I'm not more skilled then them it's just like fighting a moderately skilled child.
Some of the guys beating them weren't heavyweights by the modern standards. Ikuhisa Minowa maxed out at around 190 which would be in the range of lightweight to welterweight for modern UFC fighters and Genki Sudo beat Butterbean at something like a 200lb weight disadvantage because Butterbean had no grappling training at all. Sudo would be something around a bantamweight to at most featherweight if he fought in today's UFC.
Wow a pro fighter basically at 200lbs bear people. Then a 200lbs pro fighter beat a 400lbs obese man? You got me anon. Totally.
Sudo was like 160 or so which is below average for a featherweight today. And Butterbean is an experienced fighter and much more dangerous your average big moron that doesn't train.
Trips beat my dubs you're wright butter bean is the deadliest man on the planet.
I looked it up and in 2003 when he fought Sudo butterbean was a veteran of 73 boxing matches of which he won 66 with a majority of his wins by stoppage, lost 3 and drew 4. He also had two kickboxing matches of which he won one by KO and lost the other by KO. Clearly he was more dangerous and experienced at fighting than your average wannabe tough guy who played football and scrapped outside bars a few times in his youth before lifting and hitting a heavy bag for fitness. Regardless, he had never trained one of the vital fighting skills so he got BTFO by a guy less than half his size who knew what the frick he was doing.
>I'm preaching that experience is what matters, NOTHING ELSE COMES CLOSE
>Well
>Except
>You know
>If they're bigger than me
>DON'T LEARN HOW TO FIGHT FROM PROFESSIONALS!!!
>You should take MY advice and just wing it!
There's nobody with the ability to one punch gut punch you below 200 lean. Also the only people well above 6ft with that power are on the juice. 6ft even is right about where you'll find the heaviest lifters, I'm a few inches shorter but hit way harder than others stronger than me because I'm trained, literally the only reason really tall people do well is because steroids prevent them from looking like slenderman.
I'm way more scared of someone 5ft6 200 than 6ft4 200.
>I'm insecure because of how short I am
Surprising. I couldn't tell.
Kek
>I'm more scared of butterbean than Alex Pereira
Fricking moron manlet
Either Butterbean or Pereira will heem you if you're normal sized and/or can't fight
Butterbean has no chance on me I am 6'5 240lbs a brown belt and have competed in Thailand for Muay Thai, plus he's an old obese man. Pereira on the other hand murders me in about 5 seconds probably.
How many rounds does muh cardio last?
5 rounds easy. I'm part of the kettle bell, mace and Bulgarian bag master race. I follow Russian wrestling protocol. morons at the gym always think I'm some big dude who only relies on strength. Bjj nerds piss me off.
True I guess. I basically have achieved this by being a Kimura and rear naked choke specialist.
>brown belt
you basically have no knowledge until you're a black belt
The heavier people hit the less grappling centric it is. Heavyweight has always been about boxing.
I didn't read your back and forth, just corrected the anon who thought anything besides black belt mattered. In every other country besides america you only have white belts and black belts.
Aren't coral belts from Brazil almost exclusively?
Current butterbean maybe but a like for like comparison is prime butterbean who has 100 pounds on you and a lot of fighting experience. Anyway you don't meet either criterion as you're big and trained.
Basically anyone in pro fighting would get flattened by prime Tyson 10 seconds after the start of the fight with 2 months of anti grappling/kickboxing experience. Nobody fighting now has any power whatsoever.
This is a great troll
Just enough believability that morons will take it seriously and think that learning on DUH STREETS and having no concept of defence is the best way to be a fighter
For those who don't get it, how many champion MMA fighters have there been who learned on DUH STREETS?
Exactly 0, they wouldn't even win their introduction fighr
Much of irl fighting is social engineering to hit them before they're ready, then using their shocked state to finish them. Takes very little skill, just basic punch form and enough mass to stun them. A typical street Black person wrecks person after person despite having only gotten a handful of shitty "boxing lessons" from his cousin in the park (cousin because he doesn't know his dad, his uncle is in prison, and his brother is already dead), because he has the aggression to strike first, and the experience with violence to not get in a hyper-adrenaline state.
It's really not, you've just never had a fight with someone who has any kind of training
You're right, and I won each time.
In the same jest nobody preaching their gay masochist cardio kickboxing tier techniques have met anyone who can end a fight in one kick to the chest like that's supposed to be easy to counter or nobody has the ability to end a fight in one body kick let alone body punch. They're all a bunch of posers who are so weak and unintimidating you could literally sprint headfirst at them and win a fight with them.
Nobody here but me can plant their heel in your chest from 7 feet away but me. My technique is ingrained into me from a young age and every Gaylord actually thinks American mall karate is unbeatable because they saw someone dance around some other dipshit for 15 minutes and win on points with it.
>I think getting into fights is cool.
>Especially when I broadcast that it's happening and everyone notices me!
>The attention is the best part!!
You sound like someone who's been fighting their most of their life and thinks fighting is "winning." Like, "fighting spirit" is "how many hits can you take" and that, somehow, you're BETTER for getting injured.
Like a childish moron. I'm sure your health and fitness loves you for how much damage you've sought to give it. You must love yourself.
Imagine thinking because you sparred play fighting with a bunch of 8 year olds you could win against someone that actually fights other people.
lmaoing at your life.
You still haven’t named a UFC champ who made it as a street fighter you dumb bitxh.
This is like shitting on weightlifting because you get “real muscle” from doing blue collar manual labour. You stupid frick.
This sounds like a Jason Blaha 2009 forum post lmfao get real.
>yellow belt
you basically have no experience unless you're a black belt
martial arts won't help you defend yourself.
fighting a lot of people will. logical fallacy that the martial art is what makes people better fighters. in reality it's just you actually sparring with people over and over again and learning what your body is just good at.
see if they just have a multi-art gym in your community (gym has classes of all kinds, workout area, etc) and just see what works for you kiddo! goodluck
>Being taught proper technique to avoid injury DOESN'T HELP YOU
>Ignorantly fighting lots and lots of other people, and injuring yourself due to punching with your thumb or kicking with pointed toes... THAT'S what makes you a good fighter!
Just wtf do you think martial arts does?
>Just wtf do you think martial arts does?
Teaches you to dance inside the confines of a very strict routine that you are then allowed to freestyle in against other dancers in tightly regulated environments whereafter one of the participants is determined to be the better dancer.
Kickboxing or Muay Thai. Teeps are useful and keep you away from the dirty hands and possible weapons of street filth. Learn some wrestling or judo so that if you get grabbed you don't instantly fall.
For pure out-and-out body conditioning Shaolin kung fu is your best bet.
Lmao where the frick would someone who isn't a poor chinese child find a shaolin temple?
Also no. Learn to actually fight instead of meme conditioning like bending dull spears on your neck or whatever the frick.
There's plenty of Shaolin schools in other places
You mentioned you wanted to supplement your weight training. Out of every martial art, Shaolin is based the most on long-term body conditioning. Also out of any martial art, you have the potential to learn the most about how to position your body, feel out your centre of mass, use your body to create force, punch from your body and not your arms, from Shaolin kung fu. It teaches you a lot that you will know and feel intuitively and be able to execute through your conditioning. It is definitely not purely performative but in terms of peak potential, yes it's not as effective as other types of martial arts.
Kyokushin karate seems legit and there’s a guy that I know who does it that through years of conditioning is able to brake a baseball bat with a low kick.
Though as nails.
Other than that muai Thai and kick boxing.
>best martial arts
running
Pistol no jutsu
Gun kata
AKdo
Bitch, not every confrontation is to the death, sometimes you just want to slap a guy to get him to learn a thing or two
Thats like saying every conflict is a nuclear war
>not every confrontation is to the death
NGMI
>every conflict is a nuclear war
you VILL push ze button and you VILL like it
Don’t brawl on the street with randos unless you’re ready to kill or be killed. It’s a doggy dog world out there anon
Dog-eat-dog you illiterate buffoon
>actually can defend myself
Simply walk away
I'm getting my black belt in American Tang Soo Do
thoughts IST?
Based, I did kajukenbo for a while, karate is so based
Do sumo, homosexual.
you can't go worng with boxing or judo but I would suggest also doing someting that involves kicking. It is not practical in a fight but it gives you a lot of balance, flexibility and hip movility, besides, being able to kick something above you head is really fun.
none of this is real
Move to southeast asia. Everyone there is manlet. If youre 200 and avoid youre huge there
Move to southeast asia. Everyone there is manlet. If youre 200 and above youre huge there
Blacksmithing
Gun fu
Whichever one can easily be done in street clothes and doesn't require you to go to the ground. Stop wasting time with this shit infected by Eastern Mysticism these people were barely above slaves ruled by a caste of steel wielding warriors and kings
I like doing Muay Thai because it does full body, explosive workouts in which my energy is going outward via strikes.
Then I like doing the jiu jitsu because it's a lot of the other way, feels like I'm pulling muscles IN towards me with most submissions or even when I'm trying to escape and whatnot.
So right or wrong between the two of them I really feel like I get a great workout. I am having trouble putting on any extra pounds but I look really toned and I feel really strong now which is nice.
And between the two systems is a pretty solid fighting base for two of the main elements of combat: striking and grappling.
There is an argument to be made however for pursuing other arts like Filipino martial arts for close range weapons, and then maybe even Krav Maga to help with weapon retention although in my personal opinion I do not like Krav Maga very much. That's just me though, I feel like with Krav Maga the system isn't fully defined which makes the level of instruction vary wildly depending on who's teaching. Just my 2 cents on that one.
Finally one may consider going to the gun range and becoming proficient with ranged weapons: rifles, handguns, shotguns, etc.
Those are the 4 elements of combat to me. Ranged weapon, close range weapon, striking, and grappling.
When it comes down to it, that's a fricking lot to learn. And you can't go everywhere in a bulletproof tactical gear with knives, guns, etc. So it's best to just find something you personally enjoy and just get good at that.
An Olympic level wrestler is scary for anyone to go up against. An Olympic level boxer or an Abu Dabui champion is scary in their own rights. A fricking crackhead with a knife or a gun is horrifying, being trained with either seems less important than the other elements because of that in my personal opinion. So simply having the right tools for the job matters too but no matter what, you can't be perfectly safe at all times. Your best bet is pick something and go all in.
Nice wall of text buddy while you were typing I capped yo knees knee grow
Yes, as I said even a skinny, incoherent crackhead is terrifying with a knife or a gun. The only other way a person like that is scary in combat is due to blood borne pathogens. Don't want homosexuals like you bleeding on me too much if I can avoid it.
But good for you buddy, you have the same level of fighting prowess as a toddler.
>But good for you buddy, you have the same level of fighting prowess as a toddler.
I'll make sure it's on the headstone
Maybe you're Alec Baldwin and you can get away with shooting people. But the rest of us usually spend some time in jail after doing that.
And then when you're in prison, full of people who like to fight and many of them actually can, what will you do without your precious gun?
Or is that simply your tombstone: "would have been different if I had my gun out"
>prison
>free gains, free bf, free food, no rent, no obligations
oh no
No shitposting on IST tho, would suck
Also inside the prison you cant have a gun so you would get beaten down unless you start sucking some Black person down like you do IRL
As a good friend of mine tends to say
"Those are words"
The answer is very easy:
Are you looking for effectiveness? MMA
Are you looking for a hooby? the martial art you find more fun
>no wrestling
You just know the type of person that made this graphic...
>kickboxing, boxing, muay thai, wrestling, no gi bjj
do one of these. get good fundamentals and then get sparring. ring time is the only way to get better at fighting and defending yourself.
if you are checking out a gym and you're wondering if it's legit or not here's a good video to check it against:
What are the differences, technique-wisez between gi and no gi bjj? I'm wanting to add in bjj training to my may Thai and have been leaning towards gi because there's much less people on those days so I'd get more 1 on 1 attention with the instructor
GI is based off grips and the GI, like some chokes you use the GI, like lapel choke. No GI is based off compression. No GI is superior. No GI is basically it's own fighting style. Big push in the community to call it no GI grappling instead of no GI Jiu jitsu. GI is fine to learn but you have a higher chance of running into ego maniac teachers who are too into the culture of Jiu jitsu.
If you can run faster and shake of a grapple attempt it'll be hard for people to hurt you.
If you switch only to martial arts instead of weight training you will become a very toned dyel with an unaesthetic body.
t. Professional Muay Thai fighter, seen it many times
In all actuality you should adopt kettlebells and begin bulking if you train martial arts as you burn an obscene amount of calories.
Also the best martial art for self defense is to train in multiple styles then unlock your inner animal brain. In late 2018 a muslim (mudslide) broke into my Paris flat in the middle of the night, I did not square up with him in the Muay Thai stance; instead I grabbed my Disney world snow globe from my snow globe collection and beat him into a coma with it. Of course I could not go to the authorities because I am white and he is a protected class immigrant, so I put him inside of my cheese bag and then dumped the body in the park. I had to get rid of all 400 of my snow gloves though in case the police showed up. C'est la vie. Viva la France.
Boxing for punching, muay thai for clinching, knees and elbows, and BJJ for all things grappling.
Aikido for sure
Lethwei
Gun-fu
The best form of self-defense is being in Antifa.
You're not allowed to use guns in self-defense if you're a conservative (Rittenhouse got extremely lucky).
And you're not allowed to use any of that grappling shit (see the marine in New York).
...now, if you're in Antifa, you're allowed to use a bike lock in self-defense and smash someone's head with it. You'll do no time.
I've been in the 'fa for a few years now, and it's great.
Don't forget skateboards and frozen water bottles!
Things that actually work:
>Wrestling (Freestyle or Greco-Roman)
>Boxing
>Muay Thai
>Jiujitsu (BJJ, 10th Planet)
Things that work less-good, but are good as sports
>Judo
>Taekwondo
>Kickboxing
>Savate
Best for fitness
>Boxing
>Muay Thai
>52 Blocks
Best for Bloatmaxxing
>Sumo
Insane Shit
>Capoeria
>Aikido
>Kung-Fu
>Krav Maga
Puts judo in work less good. ngmi. Judo is the best self defence martial art.
Yes, with judo, you're safe from any attack, so long as he's wearing a gi.
You don't wear pants homie? Or a jacket? What about skin? You don't think I can underhook you and throw you then Kimura you if you're naked? Black person
>I am thinking of doing boxing or muay thai
Boxing has a lower skill floor and a lower skill ceiling than Muay Thai.
You will learn more in boxing in a shorter amount of time because there are far fewer things for you to learn.
This means you are more likely to beat an untrained person after training in boxing for a year than in Muay Thai.
However, training in Muay Thai for 3-4+ years will make you a far more dangerous fighter.
Throwing kicks in a "street fight" is, in fact, allowed, as long as you are just as comfortable throwing a kick as you are throwing a jab, and you wear something flexible, and the floor is not too slippery.
Additionally, there are elbows, knees, and clinch in Muay Thai. You will be a more complete fighter and know how and when to use more tools at your disposal.
Most useful is judo.
find an mma gym
I might as well do an amateur prize fight, I'll get just as much brain damage as sparring an mmabro and you just know he's gonna be a Black person about trying to flatten you with the opening you concede after daring to pull a punch during practice.
when i say find an mma gym, i don't mean sign up for the first mma gym you come across and start sparring experienced fighters straight away. what the frick made you think that? dumbass
find an mma gym that you like, and the people are good people, and do some fricking bagwork and drills
jesus fricking christ how stupid are you, you might as well just start sparring because you already have a brain injury.
I have a few years of kickboxing under my belt but even boxing sparring looks way too hard to remember anything afterwards. I'd probably assume the best, get some 90% punches to the head then if I'm still standing try and 100% them. Taking any blows to the head is awful for you, tkd has it right not hitting to the head in sparring tbh.
I want to try a combat sport, but I don't want to get hit in the head or roll around grappling with a sweaty guys crotch in my face. What would you recommend?
TKD
Tae Kwon Do
1. Despite the techniques, actually punching someone in the head is mostly off-limits during official matches.
2. It's EXTREMELY combat-oriented for competitiveness' sake. It's boxing, but with your legs.
3. There are LOTS of TKD schools in America. Seriously, your town as at least one. Easy.
Is it a "great martial art?" I mean, not really. It's hyper generalized for funsies, cheap, and celebratory, but... it's great for your health, balance, and you'll get lots of chances to spar and make friends.
>t. Black Belt in Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do and Kobudo
>Tang Soo Do
3 1/2 years
>Taekwondo
3 years
>Kobudo
2 years
Nice blue belts.
I was not, and am not, lying about having earned a black belt from each of those disciplines, dude. I practiced each for a combined total of 15 years, the least of those was Kobudo which I did just because "eh, why not?" as a teen.
There's some Chinese or some shit martial art where it's a tie unless someone is ko'd on their feet. If you can bench 315 for reps and aren't coordinated enough to ko someone you are literally moronic.
It should be noted a pocket knife, not looking like the easiest target there, not being ostentatious with wealth, being in a group, shutting the frick up, apologizing, realizing that you gain nothing from an altercation are the best ways of defending yourself, and understanding that being home again is how you win in a self-defense scenario. These are all probably more important than mastery of an unarmed combat sport. Your best bet is to be able to run away (without your wallet). You'll spend less time and energy canceling your credit card and getting a new license than you will sitting in a hospital bed after a knife attack.
That being said, things like falling correctly and getting up again are really important for self-defense so you don't hit your head on the concrete and you don't stay there for very long, so Judo and BJJ are pretty good places to start.
Unless, of course, you don't actually mean self-defense and you just want to beat people up. You wouldn't misinterpret your desires like that, would you, anon?
HEMA, nobody fricks with you if you have a sword with you and its easier to attain and carry in most places that aren't burgerland.
Also carrying plate armor naturally helps with your rizz and cardio.
Dude I live in Europe and it's not legal to open or conceal carry bladed weapons wtf are you on about?
between the martial arts in your picture?
assuming they're all well trained:
a kendo guy with a real sword would probably kill all of the other guys with easy.
next would be sumo, wrestlers can be very dangerous especially if they out weight you by 200lbs.
but between boxing and mauy thai(two martial arts I've trained in); boxing is more limited, muay thai will teach you more ways to drop an opponent.
Muay thai wrestling
bodybuilding
sambo
mma and gunjutsu
there are two only good martial arts for self-preservation: running away and having a weapon. Everything else is at best situationally useful and at worst actively detrimental to you in a real fight.
pussy genetics
Not him, but it's better to be a living pussy than a badass dead man. Nobody at your funeral is going to care that you almost disarmed a guy with a knife.
Everybody dies eventually you fricking pussy
Its not about living or dying but as dying a proud man or dying a broken shell of a man that never stood for anything in his life
Thats why we live in shithole country
We would rather live in misery than die for something
And if you really are scared of dying then I pity you homosexual, you will eventually have to face that fact with a lot of regrets
>at muay thai doing light sparring with a friend
>he comes in for a diagonal knee to the ribs right as I bring my knee up for a push knee to keep him away
>hit him in the groin
>he gasps and runs around for a bit, clearly in a lot of pain but seems alright. goes to the bathroom to check out the damage
>comes out ~20seconds later white as a sheet, tells us to call an ambulance and collapses into a chair
>his left ball is swollen to the size of a large orange and he's certain he's going to lose it
>he was wearing a cup but it must have shifted out of the way or something
>ambulance comes to take him to the hospital, I follow behind, we're there for 5 hours waiting for an ultrasound
>turns out no permanent damage, just swelling that will take a few days to go down
thanks for reading my blog post and wear your cups in class. That was terrifying
I've had exactly that happen. With a loose cup, your ball or part of the shaft can get caught under the loose edge when you get hit. I changed to a new cup with better fastenings and have been fine.
And yet knowing it decides fights almost 100% of the time. Even BJ getting KO'd was from him standing still with his arms by his waist drunkenly telling the guy to hit him. A 40-something out of shape gigaflushed natural lightweight had to literally ask to be knocked out for it to happen, and demolished dudes in his other irl brawls.
Depends on your body type build.
Shorter guy, blocky waist, unimpressive/average build: bjj
Taller, long limbs etc: Boxing/kickboxing
Stockier build: Judo
Bony/less stocky build: Muay thai
Useless: Aikido, Krav maga, Kungfu, Wing chun and all other nonsense
HEMA sword fighting skills, then always have a walking or mountain climbing stick with you,