Dude, all the techniques you've ever learned become "only one" martial arts system in your body and mind. Any of those "different" styles and schools only matters if you're competing within certain rules.
I'd say overall you want a more complete martial arts system and boxing is weak in that regard. However, the fact that boxing is so incomplete means you can get good at it relatively quickly. If you learn how to throw proper punches, some basic footwork, how to guard and you spar regularly, you'll know how to fight better than most people you'll ever encounter.
Boxing if you want to learn fast, Dutch kickboxing or Muay Thai + some form of grappling if you want to git gud.
Have you ever done boxing? Get good fast? Wtf does that mean? In 6 months you can reasonably beat someone untrained that's the case for any martial arts and in order to be considered actually good in even boxing it's gonna take a couple years and only if you're actually good at it. You DONT NEED TO BE GOOD to beat someone untrained
Bro... Never forget what they took from us. Imagine a world where catch remained the most popular sport in the West. It doesn't even exist in my country anymore. I'm seriously considering moving to Wigan for like a year after I have trained Greco a bit more.
I would do it if I could, moving to wigan would be amazing. All we can do to bring it back is teach people so the sport can grow. I have gotten a few mma guys to switch over to pure Catch.
Best wishes and happy Christmas anon.
It's a dumb pic, lots of them aren't even really a thing
Comparing martial arts on paper is dumb anyway
You fight how you train
Street fighting doesn't matter
Normies on the street can't fight >noooo boxing is bad because no kicks / no grappling / gloves
If you box, you can just hit the guy a few times until he stops, because he doesn't know how to defend punches, and getting punched in the face sucks >noooo grappling is bad because floor is lava / a hundred ninjas appear
If you grapple, you can just grab the guy and sweep him, because he doesn't know how to clinch, maintain his base or defend sweeps, and getting swept sucks >noooo muay thai is bad because stand too tall / gloves / whatever
If you train muay thai, you can just leg kick him a couple of times until he can't walk, because he doesn't know how to check kicks and his leg isn't conditioned >noooo kyokushin is bad because no head punches / karate is gay
If you train kyokushin, you can just hit him really hard in the solar plexus, because he doesn't know how to defend punches to the solar plexus, and it really hurts >etc.
The point is, if your combat sport trains something useful against resistance, then that will probably work against whoever you imagine fighting on the street
Luta Livre Vale Tudo is my favorite but what is available to you? How old are you? How much time do you have for training? On a basic note there is Striking and Grappling , then you have sub categories , upper body full body , gi no gi, pin no pin, shoes no shoes etc What do you enjoy? Kudo, Combat Sambo, MMA, Vale Tudo etc are great but you can't just jump in them. For general purposes Boxing, Wrestling and/or Judo gets you covered for practical SD.
For one on one engagements there's no doubt that bjj is the best. If you have a good coach your rolls will start standing, so you'll pick up on wrestling/judo techniques as well. Judo is a great option too since you'll get the standing/ground element.
He has a point though. What percentage of classes are spent on guard techniques? What percent on mount techniques? What percent on STAND UP? Sure you should know what to do if you end up in guard but you should also constantly be vying for top position so you can pummel or escape and run away. Bjj is really bad at emphasizing that.
The problem is that many bjj schools focus on competing and ignore important self defense stuff. Takedowns and standing doesn't matter when you can just pull guard. Try judo if you want to get good at standing but bad ground fighting.
t. Bjjgay
Some mma schools have a judoka and wrestler on staff alongside the bjj guy. I did stand up 2 days a week and bjj 5 days.
The issue with bjj is that it’s insanely technical so you have to spend hours in what would be useless positions in order to have a chance at escaping them.
this homie knows whats up. picking somebody up and dropping them on their head on concrete is pretty much the most effective way to kill a man. boxing/muay thai is better for neutralizing a target without ending up in jail for the rest of your life.
i am 5'10, 200 lbs. bodybuilder and did freestyle wrestling in college d2 level.
all my street fights were against bigger dudes or bouncers in bar/club settings and all of them ended with me throwing or tripping them and being on top. if you are over 180 lbs and have decent skill and regular training, you will beat guys with no skills 9/10 times.
how can a fat ass defend an outside leg trip or single leg ? its difficult. this isnt diablo 2 where the barbarian can tank everything you moron
I dont doubt him though. Sure, most "Street fights" are basically against some dipshit who knows nothing and stands in one of those super jittery chimp stances. If someone is a legit d2 wrestler and decently build, they can ragdoll someone. Same with anyone who has trained a few years in any legitimate combat sport. Will it work on a trained fighter? Maybe. Depends on whether they can keep you at bay with strikes. But I hate sparring against newbies who come from a legit wrestling background. I can usually catch a sub on the way down, or work my way to one, but I'm usually going for a ride first.
>not chanting "grow, grow" and becoming 6'8 270 lbs on the spot
ngmi
) am a novice in throwing sports and I've been "taught" (might've just gotten it wrong though) that throwing someone much heavier than you might force you to sacrifice your standing position to get enough momentum. Is that just not necessary against untrained opponents? Is the technique difference just enough that you don't actually need much strenght to do it? Like, it seems possible, but it also seems really unlikely that anyone paying attention would let you get into a position with a good enough leverage to do it even if they don't understand what you're trying to do. Or are you just talking about moves that don't require you to grapple and rotate your opponent?
Also, if you had to face someone strong with 0, 1 and 2 less years of training than you, how heavy do you think they could be then?
A leg trip seems reasonable against fatties though. Or maybe if you're 200 lbs lean (<12% bf) throwing 250-300 lbs is easy? I'm 6' 160 lbs lean, so while I have a lot of specific power I kinda struggle with moving 180 lbs+ opponents even when they're fat, but 40 extra lbs of muscle can obviously move more than just 40 extra lbs.
only in throws in which you are turned away from your opponent, like an arm/elbow drag, head and arm, firemans, etc. they only work in wrestlin bc you cant get elbowed or kneed.
clinch throws and trips work well in street fights and MMA
>all my street fights
The average man with a basic grasp of deescalation who isn't a raging c**t actively looking for any excuse to roll the dice on his own life for a chance to hurt people will maybe, at most, get into one or two physical confrontations in his entire adult life. That said, your advice isn't terrible, it's just the fact that you can use the phrase "all my street fights" means you are probably an insufferable shithead.
I dunno dude, I’m a pretty nice dude but people loved fricking with me when I was out because >had really hot gf >am jacked >am good looking
Bouncers are basically what you just described and going to a bar with a hot girl and the above attributes paints a major target for the type of losers that become bouncers.
And what are you supposed to do in that situation? My advice would be lose the hot gf because they’re always a pain in the ass and not worth it. Get a 5-7/10 that wants to be a mom and doesn’t want to go out.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm nice but people want to fight me all the time because I'm too good looking and too jacked and my gf is too hot
I've heard talk therapy is good for NPD.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It’s well documented that betas get aggressive with more masculine men. I think it’s out of jealousy
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797618772822 >NPD
nope
4 months ago
Anonymous
While you typed it a bit like a homosexual, what you said does happen. Some people just become absolute monkeys when they feel socially/sexually treathened, like when there's competition for a hot girl. >jealousy
It's more like a sexual flight or fight instinct. They know you're lowering their market value by the minute, that you're harsh competition and that you're hurting their self-image. They can either go somewhere you won't be competition (flight) or try to raise their values above yours (fight). This is often done by bullying because it makes them seem dominant and above you while making your qualities seem lesser, and also because fighting can literally take you out as a competitor (by unsconsciousness/hospitalization/death). This is also done more often by dumb people who can't see other ways to raise their value, people without enough introspection to realize what they're doing and people with poor emotional control, which bouncers are probably a bit more inclined to be than the average person.
It's a dumb pic, lots of them aren't even really a thing
Comparing martial arts on paper is dumb anyway
You fight how you train
Street fighting doesn't matter
Normies on the street can't fight >noooo boxing is bad because no kicks / no grappling / gloves
If you box, you can just hit the guy a few times until he stops, because he doesn't know how to defend punches, and getting punched in the face sucks >noooo grappling is bad because floor is lava / a hundred ninjas appear
If you grapple, you can just grab the guy and sweep him, because he doesn't know how to clinch, maintain his base or defend sweeps, and getting swept sucks >noooo muay thai is bad because stand too tall / gloves / whatever
If you train muay thai, you can just leg kick him a couple of times until he can't walk, because he doesn't know how to check kicks and his leg isn't conditioned >noooo kyokushin is bad because no head punches / karate is gay
If you train kyokushin, you can just hit him really hard in the solar plexus, because he doesn't know how to defend punches to the solar plexus, and it really hurts >etc.
The point is, if your combat sport trains something useful against resistance, then that will probably work against whoever you imagine fighting on the street
The thing is, there are techniques which are more or less suited to the enviroments where one street fights. Bars are often very close quarters, and people can be near you before escalating. Street conditions might make it slippery. You might not have the luxury of getting on the ground, leaving your back unprotected or dragging out a fight because you'd be more likely to be ganged upon. Your opponent might be significantly heavier, stronger or have more reach. Fighting styles which depend more on certain conditions to work can be worse if those conditions are not always available or if they're worse at creating such conditions.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Tbf I was typing condescendingly intentionally because the >npd
comment. I especially hate it because I sometimes try to talk or post about real issues I’m having and this is the automatic response from some people or anons.
You're a moron. "Muh tecnique" is a meme. This is true for all martial arts. Size and strength will always be an extremely important factor in any combat, there is no magic no touch karate chi blasts that can get you around this. All technique is simply applied strength, it uses leverages and momentum to aid but it is the muscle that initiate the movements and so having them be stronger will always be beneficial. This is just as true for striking as it is for grappling, with wrestling it is just more immediate and the culture of wrestling doesn't pretend that strength and athleticism somehow doesn't matter. But it has technique. Some big untrained oaf stands no chance against a proficient wrestler
To be fair, you could theoretically destroy any opponent in a striking sport if you had enough stamina, reflexes and speed. While this is not really ever the case, it's feasible for someone who's 4'8 100 lbs to defeat a 7' 300 lbs monster simply by never getting struck and accumulating damage. It's impossible for him to ever grapple that opponent into submission. I think that's where the line of thought comes from, as grappling assumes some degree of contact that striking sports don't.
But to be clear, I'm not moronic, I know in practice a 2' range or a 30 lbs muscle difference will already matter a lot in both styles. It's just that striking sports have some physical components besides reach/weight being slightly more impactful, allowing more things besides technique to come into play to negate size disadvantages. Having to connect to your opponent's body as opposed to just touching him makes absolute strenght differences more pronounced.
only in throws in which you are turned away from your opponent, like an arm/elbow drag, head and arm, firemans, etc. they only work in wrestlin bc you cant get elbowed or kneed.
clinch throws and trips work well in street fights and MMA
By the way, is this always assuming no knife? I stay away from street fights because even in the best case scenarios where I completely dominate someone, a knife completely changes the game (3rd world country lmao). Are such grabs effective if your opponent might draw a knife before or during the movement? >just don't fight if you think they might have a knife
Yeah, but assuming you did anyways because ???, would it still work due to a combination of speed and unbalancing or does it rely on your opponent punches/kicks not doing enough damage due to the grapple?
Imo street fighting should be limited to a 1-2 and maybe a throw then running away if possible, but they are best avoided altogether due to the knife issue you mentioned.
I don’t think that makes martial arts useless for self defense, as so many claim, as it’s still part of a larger system. I also carry a firearm, knife (not for stabbing, but utility), and trained martial arts, but I was also trained heavily on firearms use, so really it’s a martial art in itself. I am also pretty jacked because I just like working out, it’s the ultimate poor gay hobby and I was poor af growing up.
You know there is a theory that all martial arts in the east stem from Alexander’s invasion of Asia and all martial arts are evolved versions of the Greek wrestling and boxing.
I could see that for the nearer east up to India, but it really seems unlikely to me that places like China and Japan would be so heavily influenced while never coming up with their own shit before. He got to around the north-western part of modern India right? Do most martial arts in the far east only appear long after Alexander did his tour?
Either way pretty cool theory. Probably not true, but cool sounding > reality anyways.
He built settlements in what is now western China and China had direct trade with India. Ancient China basically colonized Japan as well, so it would be possible that it introduced some ideas to those areas.
Either way, it’s not like anyone really knows and it is likely martial arts would develop naturally.
I don't think so.
Martial arts exist everywhere humans do, because fundamentally martial arts evolved as a tool for one man to beat the shit out of another more effectively
You might as well then say that Greeks invented violence and I'm not sure even the most moronic Hotep would go that far
Depends on your body type and physicality. OP, describe what you are built like (Height, limb length, muscularity, shoulder width etc.) and it will depend entirely on that. For example, for some people boxing might be good. But if you're 5'6 with short limbs, it's probably not the best idea.
Greco GRECO GRECOOO >but ill win on the ground
and youll get kicked in the head by 15 gentlemen of higher dermic based melanin content. >boxing
youll break your hand on the first guy, only useful if you are not going for knockouts, but then anyone can punch someone elses body. >asiatic "martial" arts
it would go to the ground and youd lose to others.
get it through your caucasoid skull you need a skillset that dominates standing up close quarters.
Greco is the answer.
>playing tag with your feet >a SPORT where ko'ing your opponent (even if the kick is perfectly legal) is grounds for getting DQ'd.
TKD per se is good, but good luck finding that elusive gym where they actually teach you how to fight rather than getting points, same goes for kyokushin, where punches to the face are outright forbidden. While competition helps filtering out the useless shit like aikido or kung fu, it also has potential to ruin otherwhise good martial arts for the sake of keeping it "sporty".
Preferably you would learn at-least 2, one for striking and one for grappling. You don't need to be an expert, but knowing evn the basics will already put you around 99th percentile for fighting, and won't take much time. Which is great for self-defense, but not necessarily competing. Most people on the streets though, you need to realize, don't even know how to throw a single punch (they think they do, but they don't) so if you know basics of grappling and striking, you will win most fights in real life, considering the other person isn't considerably bigger. There's only six useful martial arts, everything else is just a gimmick. And which one you learn depends on how big you are.
For striking:
Big guy: 1)Boxing
Average guy: 2)Kickboxing
Small guy: 3) Muay Thai
>For grappling:
Big guy: 4)Wrestling (any type, greco-roman, freestyle etc. but Sambo is the best probably)
Average guy: 5)Judo
Small guy: 6)BJJ
If you are hell-bent on learning only one for self-defense though, I'd say learn BJJ. Very versatile, works in a lot of situations and for most body types.
I like kung fu. It's the only martial art that teaches you to fight dirty. I'm a white belt right now and one of the first moves are blocking a crotch kick and throwing sand in their eyes. It's also perfect for shorter or less powerful fighters since it block, redirects, and trips opponents.
Krav Maga was specifically developed for Israeli troops to be as deadly as possible. so if you really want to frick someone up you want to learn proper military Krav Maga
I dunno about the best, but here are red flags that put any art's real-world effectiveness in doubt:
- striking arts that have no full-contact sparring, including head strikes
- grappling arts that play by gentleman/ring rules and don't provide training in heel hooks, kneebars, etc.
Do any of these consistently and seriously at a gym that does full speed live sparring often and you'll be absolutely fine. Stop arguing about which is better or worse, fighting is such a complex game that every single one of these has merits and is great for one of the MANY dimensions of fighting and you should do them all
weightlifting
Judo
Dude, all the techniques you've ever learned become "only one" martial arts system in your body and mind. Any of those "different" styles and schools only matters if you're competing within certain rules.
Boxing
I'm with this guy
I'd say overall you want a more complete martial arts system and boxing is weak in that regard. However, the fact that boxing is so incomplete means you can get good at it relatively quickly. If you learn how to throw proper punches, some basic footwork, how to guard and you spar regularly, you'll know how to fight better than most people you'll ever encounter.
Boxing if you want to learn fast, Dutch kickboxing or Muay Thai + some form of grappling if you want to git gud.
Have you ever done boxing? Get good fast? Wtf does that mean? In 6 months you can reasonably beat someone untrained that's the case for any martial arts and in order to be considered actually good in even boxing it's gonna take a couple years and only if you're actually good at it. You DONT NEED TO BE GOOD to beat someone untrained
*Kicks you in the nuts* Heh, nothing personnel, kido
How tf does the y axis on the graph make sense. How is there less grappling in BJJ than freestyle wrestling?
Catch Wrestling 100%.
I think Gracie Jiujitsu originally included oblique kicks. Could be wrong.
Catch wrestling, or any form of wrestling with submissions
My guy
Bro... Never forget what they took from us. Imagine a world where catch remained the most popular sport in the West. It doesn't even exist in my country anymore. I'm seriously considering moving to Wigan for like a year after I have trained Greco a bit more.
I would do it if I could, moving to wigan would be amazing. All we can do to bring it back is teach people so the sport can grow. I have gotten a few mma guys to switch over to pure Catch.
Best wishes and happy Christmas anon.
Merry Christmas!
It's a dumb pic, lots of them aren't even really a thing
Comparing martial arts on paper is dumb anyway
You fight how you train
Street fighting doesn't matter
Normies on the street can't fight
>noooo boxing is bad because no kicks / no grappling / gloves
If you box, you can just hit the guy a few times until he stops, because he doesn't know how to defend punches, and getting punched in the face sucks
>noooo grappling is bad because floor is lava / a hundred ninjas appear
If you grapple, you can just grab the guy and sweep him, because he doesn't know how to clinch, maintain his base or defend sweeps, and getting swept sucks
>noooo muay thai is bad because stand too tall / gloves / whatever
If you train muay thai, you can just leg kick him a couple of times until he can't walk, because he doesn't know how to check kicks and his leg isn't conditioned
>noooo kyokushin is bad because no head punches / karate is gay
If you train kyokushin, you can just hit him really hard in the solar plexus, because he doesn't know how to defend punches to the solar plexus, and it really hurts
>etc.
The point is, if your combat sport trains something useful against resistance, then that will probably work against whoever you imagine fighting on the street
Krav Maga if you could find a legit instructor. Muy Thai is your best best or really just a straight up MMA gym
Big israeli israelite wiener krav maga mogging all the inferior tiny dick martial arts
Luta Livre Vale Tudo is my favorite but what is available to you? How old are you? How much time do you have for training? On a basic note there is Striking and Grappling , then you have sub categories , upper body full body , gi no gi, pin no pin, shoes no shoes etc What do you enjoy? Kudo, Combat Sambo, MMA, Vale Tudo etc are great but you can't just jump in them. For general purposes Boxing, Wrestling and/or Judo gets you covered for practical SD.
For one on one engagements there's no doubt that bjj is the best. If you have a good coach your rolls will start standing, so you'll pick up on wrestling/judo techniques as well. Judo is a great option too since you'll get the standing/ground element.
bullshit, BJJ is one of the worst martial arts for real life application. go and sit guard on the street and get your teeth kicked in idiot.
turn on your brain before typing, moron
He has a point though. What percentage of classes are spent on guard techniques? What percent on mount techniques? What percent on STAND UP? Sure you should know what to do if you end up in guard but you should also constantly be vying for top position so you can pummel or escape and run away. Bjj is really bad at emphasizing that.
The problem is that many bjj schools focus on competing and ignore important self defense stuff. Takedowns and standing doesn't matter when you can just pull guard. Try judo if you want to get good at standing but bad ground fighting.
t. Bjjgay
Some mma schools have a judoka and wrestler on staff alongside the bjj guy. I did stand up 2 days a week and bjj 5 days.
The issue with bjj is that it’s insanely technical so you have to spend hours in what would be useless positions in order to have a chance at escaping them.
jeet kune do/wing chun
Go to the closest MMA gym. Striking can't handle grapplers. Grapplers can't handle getting punched in the face.
wrestling, boxing, muay thai
no comparison with any other fake art
this homie knows whats up. picking somebody up and dropping them on their head on concrete is pretty much the most effective way to kill a man. boxing/muay thai is better for neutralizing a target without ending up in jail for the rest of your life.
Cool, so your "martial art" is entirely dependent on being 6'6 250 lbs? Cool, what happens when a 6'7 260lbs guy appears, you cry and beg for mercy?
>not chanting "grow, grow" and becoming 6'8 270 lbs on the spot
ngmi
i am 5'10, 200 lbs. bodybuilder and did freestyle wrestling in college d2 level.
all my street fights were against bigger dudes or bouncers in bar/club settings and all of them ended with me throwing or tripping them and being on top. if you are over 180 lbs and have decent skill and regular training, you will beat guys with no skills 9/10 times.
how can a fat ass defend an outside leg trip or single leg ? its difficult. this isnt diablo 2 where the barbarian can tank everything you moron
>my street fights
Won't even bother reading the rest of your larp, stfu and go train a martial art before pretending you know shit
I dont doubt him though. Sure, most "Street fights" are basically against some dipshit who knows nothing and stands in one of those super jittery chimp stances. If someone is a legit d2 wrestler and decently build, they can ragdoll someone. Same with anyone who has trained a few years in any legitimate combat sport. Will it work on a trained fighter? Maybe. Depends on whether they can keep you at bay with strikes. But I hate sparring against newbies who come from a legit wrestling background. I can usually catch a sub on the way down, or work my way to one, but I'm usually going for a ride first.
All jokes aside, I (
) am a novice in throwing sports and I've been "taught" (might've just gotten it wrong though) that throwing someone much heavier than you might force you to sacrifice your standing position to get enough momentum. Is that just not necessary against untrained opponents? Is the technique difference just enough that you don't actually need much strenght to do it? Like, it seems possible, but it also seems really unlikely that anyone paying attention would let you get into a position with a good enough leverage to do it even if they don't understand what you're trying to do. Or are you just talking about moves that don't require you to grapple and rotate your opponent?
Also, if you had to face someone strong with 0, 1 and 2 less years of training than you, how heavy do you think they could be then?
A leg trip seems reasonable against fatties though. Or maybe if you're 200 lbs lean (<12% bf) throwing 250-300 lbs is easy? I'm 6' 160 lbs lean, so while I have a lot of specific power I kinda struggle with moving 180 lbs+ opponents even when they're fat, but 40 extra lbs of muscle can obviously move more than just 40 extra lbs.
If you're doing kuzushi correctly it doesn't matter
only in throws in which you are turned away from your opponent, like an arm/elbow drag, head and arm, firemans, etc. they only work in wrestlin bc you cant get elbowed or kneed.
clinch throws and trips work well in street fights and MMA
>all my street fights
The average man with a basic grasp of deescalation who isn't a raging c**t actively looking for any excuse to roll the dice on his own life for a chance to hurt people will maybe, at most, get into one or two physical confrontations in his entire adult life. That said, your advice isn't terrible, it's just the fact that you can use the phrase "all my street fights" means you are probably an insufferable shithead.
I dunno dude, I’m a pretty nice dude but people loved fricking with me when I was out because
>had really hot gf
>am jacked
>am good looking
Bouncers are basically what you just described and going to a bar with a hot girl and the above attributes paints a major target for the type of losers that become bouncers.
And what are you supposed to do in that situation? My advice would be lose the hot gf because they’re always a pain in the ass and not worth it. Get a 5-7/10 that wants to be a mom and doesn’t want to go out.
>I'm nice but people want to fight me all the time because I'm too good looking and too jacked and my gf is too hot
I've heard talk therapy is good for NPD.
It’s well documented that betas get aggressive with more masculine men. I think it’s out of jealousy
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797618772822
>NPD
nope
While you typed it a bit like a homosexual, what you said does happen. Some people just become absolute monkeys when they feel socially/sexually treathened, like when there's competition for a hot girl.
>jealousy
It's more like a sexual flight or fight instinct. They know you're lowering their market value by the minute, that you're harsh competition and that you're hurting their self-image. They can either go somewhere you won't be competition (flight) or try to raise their values above yours (fight). This is often done by bullying because it makes them seem dominant and above you while making your qualities seem lesser, and also because fighting can literally take you out as a competitor (by unsconsciousness/hospitalization/death). This is also done more often by dumb people who can't see other ways to raise their value, people without enough introspection to realize what they're doing and people with poor emotional control, which bouncers are probably a bit more inclined to be than the average person.
The thing is, there are techniques which are more or less suited to the enviroments where one street fights. Bars are often very close quarters, and people can be near you before escalating. Street conditions might make it slippery. You might not have the luxury of getting on the ground, leaving your back unprotected or dragging out a fight because you'd be more likely to be ganged upon. Your opponent might be significantly heavier, stronger or have more reach. Fighting styles which depend more on certain conditions to work can be worse if those conditions are not always available or if they're worse at creating such conditions.
Tbf I was typing condescendingly intentionally because the
>npd
comment. I especially hate it because I sometimes try to talk or post about real issues I’m having and this is the automatic response from some people or anons.
You're a moron. "Muh tecnique" is a meme. This is true for all martial arts. Size and strength will always be an extremely important factor in any combat, there is no magic no touch karate chi blasts that can get you around this. All technique is simply applied strength, it uses leverages and momentum to aid but it is the muscle that initiate the movements and so having them be stronger will always be beneficial. This is just as true for striking as it is for grappling, with wrestling it is just more immediate and the culture of wrestling doesn't pretend that strength and athleticism somehow doesn't matter. But it has technique. Some big untrained oaf stands no chance against a proficient wrestler
To be fair, you could theoretically destroy any opponent in a striking sport if you had enough stamina, reflexes and speed. While this is not really ever the case, it's feasible for someone who's 4'8 100 lbs to defeat a 7' 300 lbs monster simply by never getting struck and accumulating damage. It's impossible for him to ever grapple that opponent into submission. I think that's where the line of thought comes from, as grappling assumes some degree of contact that striking sports don't.
But to be clear, I'm not moronic, I know in practice a 2' range or a 30 lbs muscle difference will already matter a lot in both styles. It's just that striking sports have some physical components besides reach/weight being slightly more impactful, allowing more things besides technique to come into play to negate size disadvantages. Having to connect to your opponent's body as opposed to just touching him makes absolute strenght differences more pronounced.
By the way, is this always assuming no knife? I stay away from street fights because even in the best case scenarios where I completely dominate someone, a knife completely changes the game (3rd world country lmao). Are such grabs effective if your opponent might draw a knife before or during the movement?
>just don't fight if you think they might have a knife
Yeah, but assuming you did anyways because ???, would it still work due to a combination of speed and unbalancing or does it rely on your opponent punches/kicks not doing enough damage due to the grapple?
Imo street fighting should be limited to a 1-2 and maybe a throw then running away if possible, but they are best avoided altogether due to the knife issue you mentioned.
I don’t think that makes martial arts useless for self defense, as so many claim, as it’s still part of a larger system. I also carry a firearm, knife (not for stabbing, but utility), and trained martial arts, but I was also trained heavily on firearms use, so really it’s a martial art in itself. I am also pretty jacked because I just like working out, it’s the ultimate poor gay hobby and I was poor af growing up.
>what’re you gonna do when a literal silverback gorilla comes out of the forest and challenges you to a fight bro?
What happens if a 5'5 120 lbs guy draws a gun on you?
You can always make up random scenarios that gets you fricked.
You know there is a theory that all martial arts in the east stem from Alexander’s invasion of Asia and all martial arts are evolved versions of the Greek wrestling and boxing.
I could see that for the nearer east up to India, but it really seems unlikely to me that places like China and Japan would be so heavily influenced while never coming up with their own shit before. He got to around the north-western part of modern India right? Do most martial arts in the far east only appear long after Alexander did his tour?
Either way pretty cool theory. Probably not true, but cool sounding > reality anyways.
He built settlements in what is now western China and China had direct trade with India. Ancient China basically colonized Japan as well, so it would be possible that it introduced some ideas to those areas.
Either way, it’s not like anyone really knows and it is likely martial arts would develop naturally.
I don't think so.
Martial arts exist everywhere humans do, because fundamentally martial arts evolved as a tool for one man to beat the shit out of another more effectively
You might as well then say that Greeks invented violence and I'm not sure even the most moronic Hotep would go that far
I unironically keep a picture of yakub on my desk at work and tell people he’s my dad.
Dutch kickboxing.
genocide
Depends on your body type and physicality. OP, describe what you are built like (Height, limb length, muscularity, shoulder width etc.) and it will depend entirely on that. For example, for some people boxing might be good. But if you're 5'6 with short limbs, it's probably not the best idea.
Gunslinging
>France is more east than greece
Culturally yes. As they say in Paris
Allahu akbar
They say that too in Greece tho
Bruh they put Israel in western.
Boxing and Wrestling is the undisputed goat for street fights. Everything is else is gay tier for actual fighting.
Greco GRECO GRECOOO
>but ill win on the ground
and youll get kicked in the head by 15 gentlemen of higher dermic based melanin content.
>boxing
youll break your hand on the first guy, only useful if you are not going for knockouts, but then anyone can punch someone elses body.
>asiatic "martial" arts
it would go to the ground and youd lose to others.
get it through your caucasoid skull you need a skillset that dominates standing up close quarters.
Greco is the answer.
For me it's TKD
>playing tag with your feet
>a SPORT where ko'ing your opponent (even if the kick is perfectly legal) is grounds for getting DQ'd.
TKD per se is good, but good luck finding that elusive gym where they actually teach you how to fight rather than getting points, same goes for kyokushin, where punches to the face are outright forbidden. While competition helps filtering out the useless shit like aikido or kung fu, it also has potential to ruin otherwhise good martial arts for the sake of keeping it "sporty".
Preferably you would learn at-least 2, one for striking and one for grappling. You don't need to be an expert, but knowing evn the basics will already put you around 99th percentile for fighting, and won't take much time. Which is great for self-defense, but not necessarily competing. Most people on the streets though, you need to realize, don't even know how to throw a single punch (they think they do, but they don't) so if you know basics of grappling and striking, you will win most fights in real life, considering the other person isn't considerably bigger. There's only six useful martial arts, everything else is just a gimmick. And which one you learn depends on how big you are.
For striking:
Big guy: 1)Boxing
Average guy: 2)Kickboxing
Small guy: 3) Muay Thai
>For grappling:
Big guy: 4)Wrestling (any type, greco-roman, freestyle etc. but Sambo is the best probably)
Average guy: 5)Judo
Small guy: 6)BJJ
If you are hell-bent on learning only one for self-defense though, I'd say learn BJJ. Very versatile, works in a lot of situations and for most body types.
I like kung fu. It's the only martial art that teaches you to fight dirty. I'm a white belt right now and one of the first moves are blocking a crotch kick and throwing sand in their eyes. It's also perfect for shorter or less powerful fighters since it block, redirects, and trips opponents.
Is there a difference between brazilian jit jitsu and japanese jiu jitsu? And is jujutsu the same thing or different?
in japanese jiu jitsu you fold your opponent a thousand times
Gun fu
But srsly, muay thai
Vale tudo seems nice.
Krav Maga was specifically developed for Israeli troops to be as deadly as possible. so if you really want to frick someone up you want to learn proper military Krav Maga
How are you going to propperly learn those deadly israelite tricks if you don't have a good supply of POWs to use as dummies?
I dunno about the best, but here are red flags that put any art's real-world effectiveness in doubt:
- striking arts that have no full-contact sparring, including head strikes
- grappling arts that play by gentleman/ring rules and don't provide training in heel hooks, kneebars, etc.
>wanting to injure yourself
Just learn how to run and carry pepper spray
Why is nobody using savate?
wrestling
boxing
bjj
rest
in that order
Do any of these consistently and seriously at a gym that does full speed live sparring often and you'll be absolutely fine. Stop arguing about which is better or worse, fighting is such a complex game that every single one of these has merits and is great for one of the MANY dimensions of fighting and you should do them all
Any kind of grappling
No matter how hard you hit, the ground hits harder. Also RNC is broken, devs pls nerf