I usually just use the cable lat pulldown but I don't really feel my lats get sore from it no matter how hard I go, should I give this machine a try?
What is the consensus on hammer strength front lat pulldown machines?
I usually just use the cable lat pulldown but I don't really feel my lats get sore from it no matter how hard I go, should I give this machine a try?
I used to hate it, but i recently found that if i lean forward into the pad it becomes more of a pulldown.
You shouldn't go hard as a weakling, spam good form for like 6 sets a workout.
By going hard I meant trying to keep the form the whole way through and really milking the negative.
I'll try it next time then.
yeah this makes my lats sore and gives a good biceps pump, would recommend.
another meme machine for obese and acne ridden zoomers. Tried a few times.
Nothing beats good old PULLUPS with various grips. NOTHING.
But if you are fat etc then sure, keep doing it until you lose weight.
this. pullups are the ultimate filter and give you the best lat work period.
I love pull-ups but I run out of steam for them well before my lats are done. Some kind of pulldown afterwards is perfect.
they're great
actually got lower lat pump for once
actually could FEEL lower lats protruding on the sides of the torso when running the fingers along ribcage
probably depends on leverages, the one at my current gym is shit in that regard
t. morons
>the element of balance
then squat on a bosu ball
>can’t lift as much
they can't lift as much because bodyweight counts on squats, because the angles/strength curve on machines are easier, etc. Go do pendulum squat machine, you're gonna do less than barbell squat despite 0 stability requirement.
>the little smaller muscles
meme, you can involve them on machines
Learn this: peripheral neural system gets tired during exercises. More balance requirements = more depletion. In most people pns gets tired faster than muscles. So you do squats, your pns gets tired, you move on to machines where you're locked in, you can focus on just pushing the weight and don't have to waste mental energy on keeping the balance => more training stimulus => bigger muscle => more strength. Le technique/le functional strength/le stabilizers don't really matter out of novice stage, I do a grand total of 2 sets of ohp per workout, rest is incline bench/machines, ohp is growing better than when I just did ohp - precisely because I don't have to worry about keeping balance. Now if I don't do ohp AT ALL for a while, THEN I get massive shakes when doing max weights from body forgetting the movement. But 25/75 ratio between ohp and exercises with lower stability demands is just fine.
Furthermore compounds like squats/chins/deads/bench FORCE you to use whatever muscles are best for the job, which varies wildly depending on leverages/background/etc. If I'm doing chins, it's way more teres major and arms than lats. I COULD do chinups in a way that focuses on lats, but it would kill the point of doing a big compound, I would not be as strong on the movement, might as well go do a machine version.
I'm not reading all that. I'm just gunna keep doing free weights. Stop trying to convince me to use machines.
I'm happy for you though
Or sorry about what happenned
Post body so I can understand if I should value your opinion
I have these machines at my gym too but havent used them since i first went
Yeah me neither.
dont like them. i dont feel the pump in my back with this. just feels like its all frickin arms.
i like it
Use the Dorian yates version
What's the Yates version?
I like the stretch at the top.
My gym used to have that machine a few years back, I never found out what happens to it
My gym doesn’t have this so I don’t care but generally speaking people who use machines are DYEL
As a guy who does pull-ups 2x per week I used to think the same until I realized that this is cope for people who:
1) are insecure either because they are dyel, or something else
2) are homegymcels like myself who have no machines.
Not insecure. Just my experience. Here’s my body so go ahead and judge and call me what you will, but my big issue with most machines is that they take away the element of balance, as well as the little smaller muscles that help you balance because they’re on rails. This is why you see people do a lot on the hack squat, leg press or squat on the smith machine and then try to do an actual squat and can’t lift as much. Other than leg isolation exercises I just feel like I get a better pump with free weights and most of the other jacked dudes at my gym I never see use machines either.
I would be willing to give this machine a try only because it’s basically a form of rows and I find rows to be an exercise where you can do multiple different lifts and it basically does the same thing whether it’s a traditional row, t bar, or whatever.
>Not insecure
We all are insecure to one degree or another and are often lying to ourselves. I do pullups, because I was fat and weak through school and up to like 24, and could only do only 2 reps tops while all my friends could do up to 15 or even more.
I think its a chad movement, I also enjoy front squats, ohp and dips for that reason also.
I used to think exectly the same way, but then did some introspection on why i think the things i do...
>my big issue with most machines is that they take away the element of balance
On squats I would agree with you, but on pull-ups there is very little if any balance involved.
Imagine a long stick, now balance it on the ground-that is you in a barbell squat. Now hang it from the ceiling-that is you in a pull-up. Gravity does the balancing for you.
Fair enough you appear to know about science I am a mere simpleton and see the jacked guys on the free weight side of the gym and the dyel guys and women and old dudes on the machine side so I just follow the alpha. I also played sports throughout elementary middle and high school so I am not really intimidated by free weights and feel a better pump and know the proper form/techniques
I never called you that. I consider the pull-up a brute force caveman lift, not much technique required.
Must have been a larper. Good practice to never post your face around these parts. I'll take that as a compliment
You the guy that posted in the "hottest ex's" thread? The other lighting is a lot better for you.
What grips are you using? If you want to get more lats do closer grip (neutral or supinated) where your upper arm goes parallel to you torso.
I like this machine, I usually do this (or the horizontal rowing equivalent) at the end of my pulling days after having done pull ups/ pullovers etc. I like doing very controlled higher rep sets (~15) with really slow eccentrics. A lot of people load this up as heavy as possible and seem to sacrifice ROM/form integrity, but I think my way is better. It is a good finisher for your back or pulling workout.