What is the consensus on hammer strength front lat pulldown machines?

I usually just use the cable lat pulldown but I don't really feel my lats get sore from it no matter how hard I go, should I give this machine a try?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I used to hate it, but i recently found that if i lean forward into the pad it becomes more of a pulldown.

    You shouldn't go hard as a weakling, spam good form for like 6 sets a workout.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      By going hard I meant trying to keep the form the whole way through and really milking the negative.

      yeah this makes my lats sore and gives a good biceps pump, would recommend.

      I'll try it next time then.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yeah this makes my lats sore and gives a good biceps pump, would recommend.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    another meme machine for obese and acne ridden zoomers. Tried a few times.

    Nothing beats good old PULLUPS with various grips. NOTHING.

    But if you are fat etc then sure, keep doing it until you lose weight.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this. pullups are the ultimate filter and give you the best lat work period.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love pull-ups but I run out of steam for them well before my lats are done. Some kind of pulldown afterwards is perfect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they're great
      actually got lower lat pump for once
      actually could FEEL lower lats protruding on the sides of the torso when running the fingers along ribcage
      probably depends on leverages, the one at my current gym is shit in that regard

      this. pullups are the ultimate filter and give you the best lat work period.

      My gym doesn’t have this so I don’t care but generally speaking people who use machines are DYEL

      t. morons

      https://i.imgur.com/qLA288q.jpg

      Not insecure. Just my experience. Here’s my body so go ahead and judge and call me what you will, but my big issue with most machines is that they take away the element of balance, as well as the little smaller muscles that help you balance because they’re on rails. This is why you see people do a lot on the hack squat, leg press or squat on the smith machine and then try to do an actual squat and can’t lift as much. Other than leg isolation exercises I just feel like I get a better pump with free weights and most of the other jacked dudes at my gym I never see use machines either.

      I would be willing to give this machine a try only because it’s basically a form of rows and I find rows to be an exercise where you can do multiple different lifts and it basically does the same thing whether it’s a traditional row, t bar, or whatever.

      >the element of balance
      then squat on a bosu ball
      >can’t lift as much
      they can't lift as much because bodyweight counts on squats, because the angles/strength curve on machines are easier, etc. Go do pendulum squat machine, you're gonna do less than barbell squat despite 0 stability requirement.

      >the little smaller muscles
      meme, you can involve them on machines

      Learn this: peripheral neural system gets tired during exercises. More balance requirements = more depletion. In most people pns gets tired faster than muscles. So you do squats, your pns gets tired, you move on to machines where you're locked in, you can focus on just pushing the weight and don't have to waste mental energy on keeping the balance => more training stimulus => bigger muscle => more strength. Le technique/le functional strength/le stabilizers don't really matter out of novice stage, I do a grand total of 2 sets of ohp per workout, rest is incline bench/machines, ohp is growing better than when I just did ohp - precisely because I don't have to worry about keeping balance. Now if I don't do ohp AT ALL for a while, THEN I get massive shakes when doing max weights from body forgetting the movement. But 25/75 ratio between ohp and exercises with lower stability demands is just fine.

      Furthermore compounds like squats/chins/deads/bench FORCE you to use whatever muscles are best for the job, which varies wildly depending on leverages/background/etc. If I'm doing chins, it's way more teres major and arms than lats. I COULD do chinups in a way that focuses on lats, but it would kill the point of doing a big compound, I would not be as strong on the movement, might as well go do a machine version.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not reading all that. I'm just gunna keep doing free weights. Stop trying to convince me to use machines.

        I'm happy for you though

        Or sorry about what happenned

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Post body so I can understand if I should value your opinion

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have these machines at my gym too but havent used them since i first went

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah me neither.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    dont like them. i dont feel the pump in my back with this. just feels like its all frickin arms.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i like it

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Use the Dorian yates version

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's the Yates version?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the stretch at the top.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My gym used to have that machine a few years back, I never found out what happens to it

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My gym doesn’t have this so I don’t care but generally speaking people who use machines are DYEL

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As a guy who does pull-ups 2x per week I used to think the same until I realized that this is cope for people who:
      1) are insecure either because they are dyel, or something else
      2) are homegymcels like myself who have no machines.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not insecure. Just my experience. Here’s my body so go ahead and judge and call me what you will, but my big issue with most machines is that they take away the element of balance, as well as the little smaller muscles that help you balance because they’re on rails. This is why you see people do a lot on the hack squat, leg press or squat on the smith machine and then try to do an actual squat and can’t lift as much. Other than leg isolation exercises I just feel like I get a better pump with free weights and most of the other jacked dudes at my gym I never see use machines either.

        I would be willing to give this machine a try only because it’s basically a form of rows and I find rows to be an exercise where you can do multiple different lifts and it basically does the same thing whether it’s a traditional row, t bar, or whatever.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Not insecure
          We all are insecure to one degree or another and are often lying to ourselves. I do pullups, because I was fat and weak through school and up to like 24, and could only do only 2 reps tops while all my friends could do up to 15 or even more.
          I think its a chad movement, I also enjoy front squats, ohp and dips for that reason also.
          I used to think exectly the same way, but then did some introspection on why i think the things i do...
          >my big issue with most machines is that they take away the element of balance
          On squats I would agree with you, but on pull-ups there is very little if any balance involved.
          Imagine a long stick, now balance it on the ground-that is you in a barbell squat. Now hang it from the ceiling-that is you in a pull-up. Gravity does the balancing for you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Fair enough you appear to know about science I am a mere simpleton and see the jacked guys on the free weight side of the gym and the dyel guys and women and old dudes on the machine side so I just follow the alpha. I also played sports throughout elementary middle and high school so I am not really intimidated by free weights and feel a better pump and know the proper form/techniques

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I never called you that. I consider the pull-up a brute force caveman lift, not much technique required.

              You the guy that posted in the "hottest ex's" thread? The other lighting is a lot better for you.

              Must have been a larper. Good practice to never post your face around these parts. I'll take that as a compliment

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You the guy that posted in the "hottest ex's" thread? The other lighting is a lot better for you.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What grips are you using? If you want to get more lats do closer grip (neutral or supinated) where your upper arm goes parallel to you torso.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like this machine, I usually do this (or the horizontal rowing equivalent) at the end of my pulling days after having done pull ups/ pullovers etc. I like doing very controlled higher rep sets (~15) with really slow eccentrics. A lot of people load this up as heavy as possible and seem to sacrifice ROM/form integrity, but I think my way is better. It is a good finisher for your back or pulling workout.

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