PED as in performance enhancing drugs you idiot. Lol
>roiding when you're over the hill and more prone to the health risks makes more sense than roiding when you're in your athletic and aesthetic prime
You are fricking moronic.
Old dudes can roid and be fine as long as they are on a planned cycle. Look at all of the actors on TRT and other PEDs. If you were natty most of your life your cardiovascular system will be able to handle it. I’m saying this as a natty with knowledge of PEDs
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just take hcg for ur balls its not hard
many roiders are still alive in their 60s look at mike o tren
First of all I disagree, he looks younger before even accounting for his physique. Second of all he shouldn't even be alive let alone look his age. He's been blasting longer than I've been alive.
Natty O' Hearn doesn't actually take that much steroids only evidenced by the fact that he doesn't look like shit. You can't constantly take tren for years and look like that no matter how you do it. He also never has phases where he blows up and then comically deflates like roid abusers have. He's on a heavy dose of HRT and has godly genetics and an amazing lifestyle.
You're dumb as shit.
He's 100% not just on a stack of """"HRT"""".
He just avoids heavily virilizing gear like tren or deca.
He probably runs a bunch of safer, good quality gear at high doses because he can get away with it. Test, primo, var, eq, etc.
And most frick it up.
I don't base my world views on unicorns.
O Tren has godly genetics for steroids. the fact that he manages to look youngish as an old roider is nothing short of miraculous
He looks 62
First of all I disagree, he looks younger before even accounting for his physique. Second of all he shouldn't even be alive let alone look his age. He's been blasting longer than I've been alive.
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>body that the opposite sex is actually attracted to
girls like roided and shredded bodies like mine not flabby nattard DYELs
sorry youve been lied to, redditor
>body that the opposite sex is actually attracted to
that means being roided out
you cant repost any tinder date because you get none as a nattard
6 months ago
Anonymous
I frick women, that don't leak info this compromising. I have one sideboob pic of a girlI I was fricking several time, on which she's wearing a mask, but I'm still not gonna post that, as it was posted with the intent to not leak it. Since you are a cheater (roiding) you are also a piece of shit, that goes around leaking private messages with intimate photos. All that to prove essentially nothing on a board full of liars and cheaters, which is why I'm still not inclined to believe you.
6 months ago
Anonymous
kek you must be braindead, you think I should be marrying a girl that sent me nudes after 1 night stand thru a tinder date?
youre the good guy they laugh about while the roided chad is railing her down all night, this is why you get no pussy
6 months ago
Anonymous
>it was posted
Lol, I'm too much on IST. It was send without the intent.
>kek you must be braindead, you think I should be marrying a girl that sent me nudes after 1 night stand thru a tinder date?
How frickin stupid do you have to be to read this into my post? It's about privacy and private information. She send you this, not the whole internet. Nothing to do with marrying, you absolute moron. I'm starting to believe all roiders are roiding to compensate through their body their drastically lacking mental capabilities.
And now you go back to >no pussy
You didn't prove anything man. Sorry to say so.
6 months ago
Anonymous
you havent posted the girl you were banging "a year ago" because she doesnt exist
also, im never seeing this girl ever again in my life, why would i care about a tinder prostitute?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why the frick are you putting it in quotationmarks when I didn't even say it?
How many more times do you want to prove your moronation? Unlike the girls you claim you have fricked, in this regard you are actually delivering without request.
post a natty that looks like that
im not that anon but you morons saying that is natty achievable are fricking delusional
you cant be that lean natty with cannoball shoulders and that muscle mass
he's referring to your dopamine receptors. I doubt he can explain it biochemically, but abusing a strong stimulant like adderall for an extended period of time will probably not be that much different from going on coke or meth binges regularly, especially if you are going days without sleep, or not getting enough food and water.
if you are prescribed adderall, make sure you are taking the lowest amount necessary to get your work done, take it only for work/school and not for fun, be mindful of your nutrition and sleep, and take days or weekends off whenever you can. if you follow this roadmap, your receptors should be fine
tldr: don't take adderall to get high and jack off for 10 hours
>don't take adderall to get high and jack off for 10 hours
Why would anyone want to do that? You most likely won't be able to achieve an erection high on stims. Speaking from experience? Most stims are extended release once daily and adderall isn't even available most of the time so it's not the first choice.
he's referring to your dopamine receptors. I doubt he can explain it biochemically, but abusing a strong stimulant like adderall for an extended period of time will probably not be that much different from going on coke or meth binges regularly, especially if you are going days without sleep, or not getting enough food and water.
if you are prescribed adderall, make sure you are taking the lowest amount necessary to get your work done, take it only for work/school and not for fun, be mindful of your nutrition and sleep, and take days or weekends off whenever you can. if you follow this roadmap, your receptors should be fine
tldr: don't take adderall to get high and jack off for 10 hours
aderall is closely related to meth
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall
How do normies even get a hold of that shit so easily. I just watched a video that dropped a figure of something like 1/3 of college kids taking them (adderall) I knew how to get steroids at like 15 but was totally in the dark about how to even score weed until my fricking dad hooked me up and eventually I just asked my black friend and he showed me how easy it was to get it. Literally a walk down the block. I was like 20 at this point. Not that I do either but that’s not the point. How are kids getting s hold of adderall, it’s not even like something that would go laying around in grandmas medicine cabinet. I’d it Snapchat or something like that. Ever time I hear about some teen oding Snapchat seems to be implicated. I’m genuinely curious since I have zero social media and not super social.
When I was in college people were handing adderall around like it was m&ms. Never did it myself but it surprised me how lax people were about it.
Studied STEM in California.
- Hormonal imbalances: Steroid use can disrupt the body's natural hormone production, leading to imbalances and potential long-term complications.
- Liver damage: Steroid use can put strain on the liver and increase the risk of liver damage or disease.
- Cardiovascular issues: Steroids can negatively impact cardiovascular health, potentially leading to high blood pressure, heart disease, and an increased risk of strokes.
- Mood and behavioral changes: Steroid use has been linked to mood swings, aggression, and increased irritability, often referred to as "roid rage."
- Acne and skin issues: Steroids can cause severe acne and other skin problems, including oily skin and the development of cysts or nodules.
- Hair loss: Steroid use can accelerate the process of male pattern baldness in individuals genetically predisposed to it.
- Testicular shrinkage and infertility: Steroids can suppress natural testosterone production, leading to testicular shrinkage and decreased fertility.
- Gynecomastia: Steroids can cause the development of breast tissue in males, a condition known as gynecomastia.
- Virilization in females: Steroid use by females can lead to the development of masculine characteristics, such as deepening of the voice, facial hair growth, and clitoral enlargement.
- Increased risk of tendon and ligament injuries: Steroids can weaken connective tissues, increasing the risk of tendon and ligament injuries.
- Dependency and addiction: The use of steroids can lead to psychological dependency, and in some cases, addiction.
everything you described applies to natty normies who go out every weekend to stuff their face in alcohol while eating garbage the whole year
my grandpa died at 60 due to a heart attack he never did drugs or roids, he was a healthy man and is now being outlived by roiders like mike o hearn
So don't eat garbage and don't stuff your face in alcohol. >my grandpa was clean, and he's getting outlived by roiders
Well from a genetic standpoint you're much closer to your grandpa than to some roider on the internet, so don't push your luck, your baseline is 60 years. If you decide to pin, you may very well be amongst the people who do roids and die in their 30's-40's.
this means you will 99% die at age 40 if you start roiding because of your toilet tier family genetics if your gandpa was a peak healthy dude who still ACK-ed at 60.
doing a cycle with a dosage that low isnt worth it, you only have so many "blasts" in ur life before ur organs start to deteriorate
this is why we tell you homosexuals to do a blast from the get go 500-600mg for 16 weeks, then maintain cruising with a lower dosage around 150-300mg
after 2 or 3 cycles you have a good enough body to the point where you can just cruise forever, look at mike o tren, you dont wanna frick up ur first cycles with useless doses
>Steroids can weaken connective tissues, increasing the risk of tendon and ligament injuries.
that isn't true. how could it be? what's true is that it accelerates muscle growth, but has no impact on tendons and ligaments. so your muscles need more weight to grow than your tendons can support, and can more easily tear
the image on the left is good progress, why would you want to blow up fast like right? Plus you probably have to get on toxic shit on tren to achieve right. Imagine only getting 4-5 hours of sleep and having night sweats
He achieved in 8 months what most natties will never achieve even in 10 years of lifting and he didn't lose hair (tren is famous to rape ur hair).
He can now just maintain this body forever with low dosages of test, how is that not worth it?
I'm 25 and have been natty lifting for 5 years so I know what I'm talking about.
1 year that I did roids gave me more gains than the 5 years lifting natty. >muh ur diet is shit >muh ur training is shit
cope
500mg test and finished with some orals, now im just maintaining with a lower dose
gonna prob do another blast next year, maybe try tren but im too scared of losing my hair
6 months ago
Anonymous
I was thinking of hopping on that basic cycle, want to see how it feels like to be high T. how much muscle did you put on through that cycle?
but it also just feels like, if you are going down that path of risking your health, might as well go all in with shit like Tren.
6 months ago
Anonymous
gained around 15 pounds, which made me go from DYELhood to jacked
tren is great and will give you the fastest results but my friend took it and said he wish he never did
i dont wanna have insomnia, tren cough, hair loss and other shit it brings with all the gains
6 months ago
Anonymous
What orals did you take? Dbol and anavar?
How much does crusing on test cost you per month as well?
6 months ago
Anonymous
i did some superdrol and var
its way cheaper to maintain because 1x 10ml vial will last you atleast a month, i live and EU and idk how ur currency is but if ur on NA I think a vial costs around 50$
if you have a job you should be able to easily afford it
6 months ago
Anonymous
How was superdrol on your liver?
6 months ago
Anonymous
my liver values came out pretty clean, i did get some acid reflux from superdrol tho thats why i stopped, but it made me extremely strong
i think i gained 5lbs almost instantly from it alone
6 months ago
Anonymous
Hahahagahahaha roidtrannies are pathetic imagine sticking pharma israelite needles in your ass is your way of life
O Tren has godly genetics for steroids. the fact that he manages to look youngish as an old roider is nothing short of miraculous
I'm 25 and have been natty lifting for 5 years so I know what I'm talking about.
1 year that I did roids gave me more gains than the 5 years lifting natty. >muh ur diet is shit >muh ur training is shit
cope
You are all more homosexual than every Trans Woman I've ever seen on TV, rl, the internet, and on a movie screen or book.
Transgener Women actually act LIKE women by demanding that pills and surgery fix all their emotional problem.
You homosexuals are claiming that you're MEN. Men. You are working and popping pills to be taken seriuosly as MEN.
As men.
That's an interesting dichotomy.
A troony literally can't be a troony w/o petro-pills like a twat, but you fggots are men right now and you STILL want to play virtue signal. In my low-class elementary school, this makes you the gay.
Maybe you gays are just young and the gay line has moved and now you are gays. I don't know, but you look like a gay to me, and you act like the biggest homosexual on the planet. A Trans Woman literally wants to be treated the way their actions make me want to treat them.
YOU, you goddamn 45 year old dried up Purtian prostitute Past Menopause, want to act like a c**t, and be treated like a Man.
This is impossible. Real men are not prima donnas.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>leddit spacing
didnt read
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's called pre madonna, moron
the rest of your post sucked ass btw
no good points made
6 months ago
Anonymous
>unrelated discussion >relates it to trannies
All right there, bud? Need a dialation station?
I feel like it's a mental obstacle more than anything else, if you want to use steroids you are free to do so, there are people who like the easy way and that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Everything is fine if your decisions don't affect mine. In my case I wouldn't do it because of the cost, and because I don't need to have more ambition, sometimes you have to settle. What's the point of wanting to take things beyond an extreme? Think that exercising as such was invented long before zoomers started injecting themselves. It's a trend that people can simply choose to follow or not. Forget about the health problems, and the list goes on and on
realistically if you choose to stay natty you will eventually look better than most people who roid
reason being that if youre already deciding to roid youre not exactly going to put in a tremendous amount of effort into lifting/diet to maximize that potential since youre going for a shortcut i.e youre a lazy frick, which is fine
youll still look good with minimal effort, but people will wonder why the frick are you on the sauce if you look like that
basically natty tryhard > average roider
im not for or against either, but youd be surprised how many people are on the sauce and they look like complete shit or just barely out of DYEL range
so if realistically you end up looking the same long term anyway, might as well stay natty since it has 0 maintenance regarding your health
>realistically if you choose to stay natty you will eventually look better than most people who roid
you wont >reason being that if youre already deciding to roid youre not exactly going to put in a tremendous amount of effort into lifting/diet to maximize that potential since youre going for a shortcut i.e youre a lazy frick, which is fine
roids are literally a magic pill and will blow the fk out of ur muscles even you do the bare minimum >youll still look good with minimal effort, but people will wonder why the frick are you on the sauce if you look like that
average normie is too dumb to distinguish between a natty and a roider >basically natty tryhard > average roider
you can have perfect diet, training and rest as a natty but youll never look as big as a roider who does a brosplit and eats mcdonalds all week >but youd be surprised how many people are on the sauce and they look like complete shit or just barely out of DYEL range
most are dumbfricks doing TRT doses afraid of doing more, if they just did the default 500mg test they would be bigger immediately after a few months >so if realistically you end up looking the same long term anyway, might as well stay natty since it has 0 maintenance regarding your health
kek, no, even if you lift for 10 years as a natty youll never look as good as someone who did 2 cycles of roids
>average normie is too dumb to distinguish between a natty and a roider
then whats the point to roid lmao >most are dumbfricks doing TRT doses afraid of doing more, if they just did the default 500mg test they would be bigger immediately after a few months
that was my point
i dont even know why you replied to me pretending to disagree when half your points agree with the main point of my post
whatever way you want to spin this shit its pointless
normies cant tell, and you can look better natty than most roiders cause theyre too moronic to do the bare minimum
>but youd be surprised how many people are on the sauce and they look like complete shit
Nah anyone who actually goes to the gym knows that, there's no guarantee you'll look good on roids and most people don't
More proof that I fit doesn't even lift I guess
He's 6'2" 190lbs. If you think that's not natty I'm sorry about your genetics choose better parents next time. I'm 6'3" 215lbs lean and natty. I could easily be 190 peeled.
>Posts a candid of him without a pump, perfect lighting, camera, carb/water modulation to peak for a photo shoot
Congratulations, you proved yourself wrong. It's not a cycle and you'd know that if you lifted.
So which is it, you homosexual >b-b-but natties can look godly too! >b-b-but you didn't post him in perfect lighting, perfect angle, perfect camera, perfect pose, perfect pump, etc. etc. because otherwise a natty god looks dyel in a candid shot!
???
Pro tip: if you only look good in a very specific photo, you don't look good (yes, that includes all you gays posting in CBT).
>juicer looks like a dyel when off cycle >thus proving that roids are temporary, and if you want to keep your muscles you gotta keep pinning too >this is why natties should roid, apparently
Damn, you really proved us wrong
The guy you're replying to has legit below 70IQ. He can't argue at all. Everything he says can be used against him and you don't even have to try to play him. He just comes up with everything right to you.
My reasoning was that left is more athletic, and even blasting roids is not gonna fix weak shitty Chink genetics. Chinks are the weakest race on Earth and terrible fighters, that Black person would absolutely maul him
I’m a white guy who has watched UFC religiously for a decade. Elite asians compete in their own mma organizations that is why they are disproportionately low in the UFC.
Also - you must have missed Naoya Inoue and Stephen Fulton? Rodtang and Superlek? Asians can bang it out man
You got me, IST. The years of endless roiding threads have demoralized me to the point where I have no choice but to turn in my natty card to see if I've been wasting my time.
roiding is difficult bro (if you want to keep your health) and expensive. Take your time to learn the how it all works and the biochemistry behind it. Doing it wrong will LITERALLY give you breasts and your balls will fall off.
Also, IMO it's not worth it if you are already at your natty limit. If you wan to stay monster-huge i.e. beyond your natty limit, then you will need to be on gear to maintain that muscle mass. And if you do it long enough you will frick your hormones up and then you'll need to be on TRT for the rest of your life.
In my opinion as a casual guy you should do roids if you are
1) below your natty limit
2) know very well what you are doing (Derek MPMD level of knowledge)
3) plan to do only a couple of cycles to reach your limit and then stop.
In those cases it's great! Personally, I lifted following advice of random people at the gym. Then I figured out that I'm dumb for listening to them, and researched online. Lifted seriously for another year give or take, and at that point I realized that to achieve the look I'm going for I'll need to lift for five more years at least. Did one cycle of 700mg test-e weekly and reached that in 12 weeks. Balls shrunk and all that. Took another six months to get my testosterone production back to normal, with aggressive and religious PCT. I kept 99% of my gains. I can OHP 2 plate for reps, I'm very proud of that
>Derek MPMD level of knowledge
yeah bro just follow derek advice of 300mg of test on ur first cycle he knows so much kek
even the steroids reddit board will give you more info than any fricking youtuber
yes you are right his advice is often crap, but what I'm suggesting is that if you can't follow one of his videos without pausing to google the shit he says - then you need to study more.
Exogenous test will shut your balls down, it doesn’t matter how little. I learned this the hard way from a measly 140test cyp/week trying trt. I’m convinced now cycling with some hcg once a year is the way to go
Isn't there only a limited number of cycles I can do before I deal with all the shitty side effects? Why would I want to waste it on something I can achieve naturally?
>shrunken balls >aggressive pct for 6 mos
Help me out here, did you take hcg while you were on cycle? If not, why? If so, why didn’t it work? For those that do use hcg, what’s the general consensus on weekly intake to keep your balls nice and big?
I have been >Fat in high school >Skinny, stopped eating in college >Fit after that >Steroids for a few years >Back to natty because poor
Nothing will ever make girls fall all over you like being shredded on gear and you're very stupid to believe otherwise
He's on roids aswell, he stopped blasting because he was losing hair like crazy.
Just check his last interview vid and he looks like he never touched a gym in his life while trying to hide his balding nw3 spot with a fringe
there is no practical purpose to being a rippling monster. there's barely practical purpose to doing more than light lifting so your skeleton doesn't fall apart these days. women, much like men, have a diverse range of physical preferences so as long as you're not a gross niche like being a fatty or gollum being shredded is also not practical for that either. this leaves lifting or further roiding basically down to "cause I want to" for justification. which is fine. just be honest about it.
If roiders are as big of confident pussy slaying epic Chads as they say they are why do they have to make 50 IST threads a day to tell everyone? Just seems like you guys are really insecure
Not dying? Not experiencing negative side effects that completely nullify the point of exercising in the first place? Roiders are almost always insecure as frick and have a chip on their shoulder from years of being an insufferable beta who thinks lifting heavy pieces of metal will make them somehow desirable by anyone other than shallow morons and/or gay men. Unvaxxed natty lifters with variation in their routines( not just bars) will always be healthier, longer living and more desirable. OP is probably a short homosexual.
Once you inject yourself with external hormones. Your body will be dependent on that source. No such thing as going off-cycle. It takes time, but eventually your body will negatively response to the external source of hormones, once your off your cycle. This is why roiders look like a fat balding chickens after they're finished with their cycle. Your balls won't be able to reproduce that level test you made before going on roids, and you will have testosterone issues.
Not considering famous actors or those half dozen bodybuilding competitors, I never ever saw an older dude who used to roid advocating for the use of anabolic steroids.
It always the extreme opposite.
Health wise, damage is something that after happened will have it's direct and indirect consequences stuck with you until the day you die.
Medicine can't cure kidney insuficiente, for example a liver failure... Not to address more instantly end gamers like heart attack and aneurism
Young people are naive to the point they think they know it all.
Your death, as the overwhelming majority of people, will not be instantly and painless
The death process from illness is a extremely torturous and long thing
I had the weird opportunity to witness the death rolls of an individual and it is not pretty not one bit
Roids only deliver what they did not promise, because all the roiders I know went into old age being the total opposite of a health exemple of an individual
All are a couple decades older then should me, big distended bellies with a depressing face expression
And you probably are just end up not changing your chud situation while adding a big pair of teenage breasts as a laughable case of gyno, as many kids do
Kind of tired of this demoralization on here. >here is 1 photo of a guy who clearly has never taken training seriously that will make you rethink if lifting weights is even worth it
You can get plenty big as a natty lifter. In 2 years I have completely transformed my physique, to the point that I get compliments from strangers.
If you actually train hard, you will grow fast.
We can't tell if he is white. He looks latino to me. At least what we can see of his face and the tone of his skin in the light. I'm not the racial autist. I'm questioning and wondering that he suddenly is classified as white.
I'm 100% sure more than enough people here would say otherwise judging from that picture.
I don't know what he is. And even italians are nonwhite according to this board. So, I literally don't know what you want from me, and what your obsession with dyel pajeets is. We don't even know what or who the people are who called him fat.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>even italians are nonwhite according to this board
i don't care what sandBlack folk on /misc/ say is white or not but i do know the demoralizers are trannies, dyel browncels (pajeets) and israelites.
What's the point of roiding if you can't get this big? You are just wasting roids and reducing your lifespan and hairline just to look like zyzz who roided to get a swimmers physique. What happened to zyzz?
For me, the point of being natty is to actually take pride in the body that I've achieved through sheer hard work and discipline.
The point is that I'll never look back and wonder what I could have achieved had I stayed natural. Regardless of how good I may look on roids, I'd always have a nagging voice asking what I could have managed without taking the easy way out.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning people that take steroids, everyone's free to do what they want. That being said, whenever I look in the mirror I know that this is what I achieved by myself.
>Inb4 post body
This is me in the early days of my cut, post meal.
For anyone actually reading this, lifting weights is a marathon not a sprint. Ignore all the demotivation posters, if you stay consistent and work hard you can look good. My journey is still going, and I know I still have plenty of progress to make. We're all gonna make it Natty bros.
Roiding outside of a career path is quite honestly pathetic. Whatever way you want to justify it will make you sound like a woman because it is the logic and reasoning of women.
I started doing steroids 2 years ago after 12 years of training natty. One advantage of steroids that people rarely mention is a huge improvement in recovery. If you are 20 you can recover and function well after heavy sessions, but after 30 it starts to frick up your life. If you have a heavy deadlift session in the morning, you're fricked for the day. If you do it in the evening it interferes with your sleep and you are still fricked the next day. With steroids you can work out harder and longer and function outside of the gym even better than you would natty. HGH is also the best sleep hack in the existence. 2iu before bed and you sleep like a baby and wake fresh and full of energy. I will never turn back. Frick being natty.
Nothing serious, but I never blasted hard. My first cycle was 500mg test + HCG 500iu twice a week + Aromasin 25mg daily. No side effects and I gained 9kg in 3 months and I lost like 2kg after I stopped. My second cycle was similar, but included one of Anavar 50mg, Dbol 20mg or Anadrol 25mg + Tudca for liver protection daily. Towards the end of 3 months I started getting irritated on days when I took Anavar or Anadrol, but felt awesome on dbol. After I stopped the cycle I felt low energy and motivation for 4-5 days and my lipids were slightly raised. In my second I gained around 6kg, but gained much more in strength.
Shrunken nuts is my biggest hang up even though I’m almost a boomer. Do you still blast 250iu hcg twice a week while cruising? 8 weeks of TRT and my balls went the way of the dodo. Psychologically fricked me up. I stopped and am currently doing pct. I’ll consider trying again next year but need to make sure my balls stay nice and big.
>Towards the end of 3 months I started getting irritated on days when I took Anavar or Anadrol, but felt awesome on dbol
Anadrol's something you should really only use for short periods to hit a PB or compete, like 2-3 weeks max.
>One advantage of steroids that people rarely mention is a huge improvement in recovery >that people rarely mention
What the frick?
Why did you think athletes that don't work out roid?
Man, I just turned 32 and feel this in my fricking bones, literally. A heavy gym session completely fricks me up these days. Still would never fraud though.
As a natty you're either 20-30% body fat and strong or <15%, no muscle and fricking weak. On roids you get to be below 15% body fat and be muscled + strong. Anyone telling you anything else is natty cope. >Inb4 some natty cope
Go on any cbt and look. All ripped natties that post around 6' are 180lbs soaking wet. >Inb4 I know this 1 legendary natty that is ripped and strong he just said he works hard lol
He is either bullshitting you or a genetic outlier.
This is the biggest con to me, everytime I cut to 15% or below it feels like all my strength goes to shit, I'm hungry all the time, my mood sucks, libido is non existent and I can see my abs but my arms look small af compared to bulking.
It's a sad reality.
Theres studies that show it permenantly increases muscle mass. Does that mean once we hit 1/2/3/4 we should do a couple cycles then quit? Most people can hit 1/2/3/4 quite easily, if not atleast 1/2/2.5/3
You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
I lifted natty for 6 years, stop comparing real life with video games you braindead DYEL. >y-you didn't work hard for it >y-you are such a cheater >l-life is like games!!
I guarantee you lifted and put more effort than 99% of this homosexual board.
It's been gay since the zoomers become the dominant population here, they are low-t as all high fricking hell, just wait any moment now one of them is going to virtually lash out, and try to drag everyone into their nihilistic head cannon. Likely just too hard to face the reality that fortnite, and troony sfm porn ruined them, oh and not having a father figure.
what's the point of being a roid troony? I work out for physical and mental health and yes to look better. But why take roids if you are not a professional body builder an actor or performer, like I don't wanna be goofy super big waiter
You're bigger than someone who looks like he never touched a single weight in his life?
Damn, impressive, congrats anon. Meanwhile the Asian mogs all natties of IST in 8 months of juice.
Juicing is moronic, it's extremely short-sighted BDD behavior. Have fun getting acne, and going bald faster than normal, not to mention all the other problems. No, but please, please do treat your body like a cheap prostitute in it's prime and blow your self the frick out irreparably. You young kids are so moronic it isn't even funny. Also that chink is still ugly it's why he has a face mask on in the buff shot.
Also to add onto this, if you're looking for female attention you won't get it women really only care about lean dudes, you're just going to get checked out by other guys in the gym, and homos.
You guys are funny, natties will complain about roiders hurting their feelings and being demoralization drones but you actually is one and do the same as them. >that kid is so ugly he should've killed himself and not tried to improve his life at all
Pathetic.
Because I’d rather look like left than right.
And because I want to be strong and healthy.
Needing to be a 215lb lean roid monster is body dyspepsia and it goes directly against the goal of being healthy.
But if you want my expert take, the only good path forward is going lean, as it's healthy. Muscle taxes the heart as well, the goal should seriously be health, but no no feel free to join zyzz if you'd like.
Oh and lately you zoomer gays have started taken full on nude shots of yourselves while you censor out your junk to have yourself rated by strange men on a basket weaving forum. Back in the day it was just a shot of yourself in basketball shorts.
I have to say, the guy on the left looks really good for just 8 months. Im starting to think that Roids are a huge meme. >Frick your health >Become a troony >Become unattractive to women >I look big!
Asian dude is now a gymshark model with 300k followers on instagram, slaying prime zoomer pussy.
The natty Black is a nobody with probably 1k on instagram.
wrong i get zoomer pussy and i don't even have social media just because you are ugly, brown and misrable to be around doesn't mean the real world is anything close to how you terminally online homosexual ass thinks it is
Followers only means something when youre trying to hook up with a random social media thot by sending her dms on instagram, as they get hit up by dozens of men every day and number of followers works as a filter in determining who is worth replying to.
Girls you meet outside of social media really dont care.
What's the point of roiding when it's just to take pictures for the internet? Most of the time roiders are indistinguishable from natties. It's not like most of the people who roid are actually using the roids for any good reason like to win a body building pageant, strong man, or powerlifting contest.
there is so much misinformation about steroids I honestly stopped giving a frick about explaining it to strangers
When i was 24 I wanted to use steroids to achieve my goal body (which was not attainable natural). It was 5'11, 200 lb, 11% bf, year round. I started at 5'11, 160 lb, 14% bf. I did my blasts, did the tren, did the orals, did the deca, did the test, and after about 2 years of blast and cruising, I finally achieved my goal stats while on 200mg test. My hair shedded and I had to buzz it.
Now I don't touch anything other than that 200mg test. I've been on a hair growth protocol and becuase it's only 200mg test, my hair is back and thicker than ever. And I kept my goal body.
Now, when strangers ask me: "are you natural?" I say no. By looking at me they'd think im on tren (which they learned about from tik tok as a literal meme), but I add "im on 200mg test" and they dont know what that means. Sometimes they even say "you're not that big". And I say "ok"
So i'm just over it. I tell people I use steroids, and that's it. Shit, if I see a noob come up and ask me for advice I just say "im on steroids cant help you, sorry" so they leave me alone. Some people don't want to be helped. Let them live in ignorance. They don't know how much 200-300mg of test supercharges growth while offering almost zero sides.
how bad were the hair sides, anon?
would you say the default 500mg test is too much for someone whos wanting to start?
honestly losing my hair is my biggest fear when it comes to roids but my friend stopped taking it due to some acne
My hair was fine with moderate doses. It wasn't until I was dumb and did a 100mg winny 500mg tren blast to try and cut ASAP for a holiday party lol. 500mg test was fine for me, so was anavar. Tren made me shed above 350mg, winstrol shed
its all really about genetics, but I will say there are chemicals that can keep your hair even through a shit load of drug use, and i'm talking about RU. Fin doesn't work because the test is simply too high. Never tried dut
If you really are scared about your hair get on the hair loss protocol for at least 6 months, then just try baby steps up. If the hair loss comes from drugs then when you stop, the regrowth will unpause
>My hair shedded and I had to buzz it.
If you lost your hair, then that's pretty much just bad genes. There are a lot of Norwood males who want to cope by claiming roids cause hair loss when it's simply just a fact that many people have bad genes for hair.
Roidtroony gains are fake, you've accomplished nothing.
You may fool dyel's and thot's, but you will never fool natties and athletic tomboys.
Enjoy you fleeting gains while you can, you will eventually get bored & deflate, or die of a heart attack in your 30's.
Im 5’7, 5/10 face and age 20. Even after lifting I’ve only had one woman show direct interest with me, im still an Incel, and all of my friends abandoned me for being low status male/virgin. Should I roid? I dont know if it would increase my attractiveness
Because if you're ugly it makes people fill in the blank with a more attractive face than they really have, especially if they're attracted to you already and wish for your face to be as attractive.
You don’t die in your mid 30s and you don’t have your balls shrink
Many roided at their 40s at my gym
It’s uncommon these days for dudes to start using PEDs when they’re middle-aged. Makes more sense than starting in your teens or 20s
You became a pedo at middle age? kys
PED as in performance enhancing drugs you idiot. Lol
Old dudes can roid and be fine as long as they are on a planned cycle. Look at all of the actors on TRT and other PEDs. If you were natty most of your life your cardiovascular system will be able to handle it. I’m saying this as a natty with knowledge of PEDs
>roiding when you're over the hill and more prone to the health risks makes more sense than roiding when you're in your athletic and aesthetic prime
You are fricking moronic.
Not him but he’s right. You children wouldn’t understand what it’s like not getting to die in your prime
Tell us, please, Mr. Reincarnate.
Are you slow? I’m old and regret not dying in my prime
>he fell for the die young meme
Too late-ACK
They have no balls and you're sounding awfully gay.
just take hcg for ur balls its not hard
many roiders are still alive in their 60s look at mike o tren
And most frick it up.
I don't base my world views on unicorns.
Somebody post it
What his 5 inch wiener?
O Tren has godly genetics for steroids. the fact that he manages to look youngish as an old roider is nothing short of miraculous
He looks 62
First of all I disagree, he looks younger before even accounting for his physique. Second of all he shouldn't even be alive let alone look his age. He's been blasting longer than I've been alive.
Natty O' Hearn doesn't actually take that much steroids only evidenced by the fact that he doesn't look like shit. You can't constantly take tren for years and look like that no matter how you do it. He also never has phases where he blows up and then comically deflates like roid abusers have. He's on a heavy dose of HRT and has godly genetics and an amazing lifestyle.
You're dumb as shit.
He's 100% not just on a stack of """"HRT"""".
He just avoids heavily virilizing gear like tren or deca.
He probably runs a bunch of safer, good quality gear at high doses because he can get away with it. Test, primo, var, eq, etc.
He's natty and I'm tired of pretending he's not
Mike is natural his bloodwork proved it
>Mike is natural his bloodwork proved it
There's pics of his wiener and balls on the internet. His balls are shriveled raisins.
post it
And how do I prevent left ventricular hypertrophy when I'm a mixed strength/endurance athlete?
>just take a female fertility drug for the rest of your life bro
>still have rasin balls
ACK
Proof that this is the nattyking Mike?
type in mike ohearn nudes
Mike is 100% natty
Mike O'Hearn is natural
The Titan is natty, he told me once in Miami.
This guy is legitimately Natty and just has extremely rare genetics for leanness.
Ah yes. Arnold famously died in his 30s while filming The Terminator.
Yes, he was exchanged with the hyperrealistici animatronic in the movie during the mirrorscene, have you not realized that?
Iirc he needed emergency heart surgery before he even got into Hollywood
Kek, he has had multiple heart surgeries. I hope you’re as rich as him when your ticker starts to fail.
>Arnold famously died in his 30s while filming The Terminator.
Anon, did you not watch the movie all the way through? He dies.
>Muh popular celebrity dies
>Millions of people worldwide are fine
>Afraid of risk vs. reward
Pussy.
Having a functional ballsack, long term health, and getting a body that the opposite sex is actually attracted to.
Like and subscribe for more tutorials.
>body that the opposite sex is actually attracted to
that means being roided out
It's means being a tall man with a toned body, not a short meatball.
and how do you expect to get any gains as a natty lanklet?
And there it is. good luck out there little guy.
Roiding is the only way as a lanklet, that's it.
as a manlet too
That actually means being tall with a good frame. But nice try, wannabe roidtroony.
>body that the opposite sex is actually attracted to
girls like roided and shredded bodies like mine not flabby nattard DYELs
sorry youve been lied to, redditor
exactly
you look natty af, are you sure you roid? like, you are small and definetely has a bf over 15%
post body
here
looks like you never touched a single weight in ur life
well, i dont lift indeed
we can see
LMFAO
Stop coping. He has roided delts
>definetely has a bf over 15%
No he doesn't moron, you don't have that level of definition around the serratus and obliques above 12ish
>light
>roids
>that
My god
jesus frick are those noodles disgusting
no one likes those veins moron
gonna puke
>girls hate the roided body i promise
this was my last tinder date and i already have 5 more setup for the rest of the week
Kek, he's reposting it to prove us nothing
you cant repost any tinder date because you get none as a nattard
I frick women, that don't leak info this compromising. I have one sideboob pic of a girlI I was fricking several time, on which she's wearing a mask, but I'm still not gonna post that, as it was posted with the intent to not leak it. Since you are a cheater (roiding) you are also a piece of shit, that goes around leaking private messages with intimate photos. All that to prove essentially nothing on a board full of liars and cheaters, which is why I'm still not inclined to believe you.
kek you must be braindead, you think I should be marrying a girl that sent me nudes after 1 night stand thru a tinder date?
youre the good guy they laugh about while the roided chad is railing her down all night, this is why you get no pussy
>it was posted
Lol, I'm too much on IST. It was send without the intent.
>kek you must be braindead, you think I should be marrying a girl that sent me nudes after 1 night stand thru a tinder date?
How frickin stupid do you have to be to read this into my post? It's about privacy and private information. She send you this, not the whole internet. Nothing to do with marrying, you absolute moron. I'm starting to believe all roiders are roiding to compensate through their body their drastically lacking mental capabilities.
And now you go back to
>no pussy
You didn't prove anything man. Sorry to say so.
you havent posted the girl you were banging "a year ago" because she doesnt exist
also, im never seeing this girl ever again in my life, why would i care about a tinder prostitute?
Why the frick are you putting it in quotationmarks when I didn't even say it?
How many more times do you want to prove your moronation? Unlike the girls you claim you have fricked, in this regard you are actually delivering without request.
She looks 45
its over
You took roids to reach the natty limit
You might as well not even taken them
post a natty that looks like that
im not that anon but you morons saying that is natty achievable are fricking delusional
you cant be that lean natty with cannoball shoulders and that muscle mass
Why people is so fond of taking half naked pics in rest-rooms? Unless some girl you're chasing ask suddenly for a pic I feel it's cringe as hell.
>dat jar tho
I thought he'd be a Gallooner
>getting a body that the opposite sex is actually attracted to.
Being big and muscular literally makes women crazy you guys are so fricking deluded
Whats the point of not taking Adderall every day to increase mental performance?
RIP to your receptors
QRD?
he's referring to your dopamine receptors. I doubt he can explain it biochemically, but abusing a strong stimulant like adderall for an extended period of time will probably not be that much different from going on coke or meth binges regularly, especially if you are going days without sleep, or not getting enough food and water.
if you are prescribed adderall, make sure you are taking the lowest amount necessary to get your work done, take it only for work/school and not for fun, be mindful of your nutrition and sleep, and take days or weekends off whenever you can. if you follow this roadmap, your receptors should be fine
tldr: don't take adderall to get high and jack off for 10 hours
>don't take adderall to get high and jack off for 10 hours
Why would anyone want to do that? You most likely won't be able to achieve an erection high on stims. Speaking from experience? Most stims are extended release once daily and adderall isn't even available most of the time so it's not the first choice.
Feels good man
>just take adderall and go to work 5 days a week for 50 years bro
aderall is closely related to meth
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall
Adderall is incredibly neurotoxic, addictive and can lead to serotonin syndrome, which if it doesn't kill you will make you wish it did
How do normies even get a hold of that shit so easily. I just watched a video that dropped a figure of something like 1/3 of college kids taking them (adderall) I knew how to get steroids at like 15 but was totally in the dark about how to even score weed until my fricking dad hooked me up and eventually I just asked my black friend and he showed me how easy it was to get it. Literally a walk down the block. I was like 20 at this point. Not that I do either but that’s not the point. How are kids getting s hold of adderall, it’s not even like something that would go laying around in grandmas medicine cabinet. I’d it Snapchat or something like that. Ever time I hear about some teen oding Snapchat seems to be implicated. I’m genuinely curious since I have zero social media and not super social.
doctors write scripts based on what you tell them they only care about opiates(kind of)
When I was in college people were handing adderall around like it was m&ms. Never did it myself but it surprised me how lax people were about it.
Studied STEM in California.
- Hormonal imbalances: Steroid use can disrupt the body's natural hormone production, leading to imbalances and potential long-term complications.
- Liver damage: Steroid use can put strain on the liver and increase the risk of liver damage or disease.
- Cardiovascular issues: Steroids can negatively impact cardiovascular health, potentially leading to high blood pressure, heart disease, and an increased risk of strokes.
- Mood and behavioral changes: Steroid use has been linked to mood swings, aggression, and increased irritability, often referred to as "roid rage."
- Acne and skin issues: Steroids can cause severe acne and other skin problems, including oily skin and the development of cysts or nodules.
- Hair loss: Steroid use can accelerate the process of male pattern baldness in individuals genetically predisposed to it.
- Testicular shrinkage and infertility: Steroids can suppress natural testosterone production, leading to testicular shrinkage and decreased fertility.
- Gynecomastia: Steroids can cause the development of breast tissue in males, a condition known as gynecomastia.
- Virilization in females: Steroid use by females can lead to the development of masculine characteristics, such as deepening of the voice, facial hair growth, and clitoral enlargement.
- Increased risk of tendon and ligament injuries: Steroids can weaken connective tissues, increasing the risk of tendon and ligament injuries.
- Dependency and addiction: The use of steroids can lead to psychological dependency, and in some cases, addiction.
everything you described applies to natty normies who go out every weekend to stuff their face in alcohol while eating garbage the whole year
my grandpa died at 60 due to a heart attack he never did drugs or roids, he was a healthy man and is now being outlived by roiders like mike o hearn
okay so just don't do that stuff?
So don't eat garbage and don't stuff your face in alcohol.
>my grandpa was clean, and he's getting outlived by roiders
Well from a genetic standpoint you're much closer to your grandpa than to some roider on the internet, so don't push your luck, your baseline is 60 years. If you decide to pin, you may very well be amongst the people who do roids and die in their 30's-40's.
this means you will 99% die at age 40 if you start roiding because of your toilet tier family genetics if your gandpa was a peak healthy dude who still ACK-ed at 60.
Only if you're doing high dosages, if you stay in the 200-300 mg test, you'll be fine.
doing a cycle with a dosage that low isnt worth it, you only have so many "blasts" in ur life before ur organs start to deteriorate
this is why we tell you homosexuals to do a blast from the get go 500-600mg for 16 weeks, then maintain cruising with a lower dosage around 150-300mg
after 2 or 3 cycles you have a good enough body to the point where you can just cruise forever, look at mike o tren, you dont wanna frick up ur first cycles with useless doses
Mike is definitely blasting. He reverse grip benches like 500 pounds super slow with pauses.
You're going to frick up your hair if you start blasting from the getgo
only if you take tren, test is hair safe
You take fin or dut anyways
>if you stay in the 200-300 mg test, you'll be fine.
But then you also won't gain enough muscle to look like you roid
>Steroids can weaken connective tissues, increasing the risk of tendon and ligament injuries.
that isn't true. how could it be? what's true is that it accelerates muscle growth, but has no impact on tendons and ligaments. so your muscles need more weight to grow than your tendons can support, and can more easily tear
not true.
Most roids including test weaken tendon tissue.
I'm not sure of the exact mechanism,somthing about collagen synthesis, but its a known issue
t. roider with tendonitis
>Steroid use by females can lead to the development of masculine characteristics, such...clitoral enlargement
the image on the left is good progress, why would you want to blow up fast like right? Plus you probably have to get on toxic shit on tren to achieve right. Imagine only getting 4-5 hours of sleep and having night sweats
He achieved in 8 months what most natties will never achieve even in 10 years of lifting and he didn't lose hair (tren is famous to rape ur hair).
He can now just maintain this body forever with low dosages of test, how is that not worth it?
you are so fricking naive holy shit please tell me you are not a day older than 20
I'm 25 and have been natty lifting for 5 years so I know what I'm talking about.
1 year that I did roids gave me more gains than the 5 years lifting natty.
>muh ur diet is shit
>muh ur training is shit
cope
what did you cycle with?
500mg test and finished with some orals, now im just maintaining with a lower dose
gonna prob do another blast next year, maybe try tren but im too scared of losing my hair
I was thinking of hopping on that basic cycle, want to see how it feels like to be high T. how much muscle did you put on through that cycle?
but it also just feels like, if you are going down that path of risking your health, might as well go all in with shit like Tren.
gained around 15 pounds, which made me go from DYELhood to jacked
tren is great and will give you the fastest results but my friend took it and said he wish he never did
i dont wanna have insomnia, tren cough, hair loss and other shit it brings with all the gains
What orals did you take? Dbol and anavar?
How much does crusing on test cost you per month as well?
i did some superdrol and var
its way cheaper to maintain because 1x 10ml vial will last you atleast a month, i live and EU and idk how ur currency is but if ur on NA I think a vial costs around 50$
if you have a job you should be able to easily afford it
How was superdrol on your liver?
my liver values came out pretty clean, i did get some acid reflux from superdrol tho thats why i stopped, but it made me extremely strong
i think i gained 5lbs almost instantly from it alone
Hahahagahahaha roidtrannies are pathetic imagine sticking pharma israelite needles in your ass is your way of life
You are all more homosexual than every Trans Woman I've ever seen on TV, rl, the internet, and on a movie screen or book.
Transgener Women actually act LIKE women by demanding that pills and surgery fix all their emotional problem.
You homosexuals are claiming that you're MEN. Men. You are working and popping pills to be taken seriuosly as MEN.
As men.
That's an interesting dichotomy.
A troony literally can't be a troony w/o petro-pills like a twat, but you fggots are men right now and you STILL want to play virtue signal. In my low-class elementary school, this makes you the gay.
Maybe you gays are just young and the gay line has moved and now you are gays. I don't know, but you look like a gay to me, and you act like the biggest homosexual on the planet. A Trans Woman literally wants to be treated the way their actions make me want to treat them.
YOU, you goddamn 45 year old dried up Purtian prostitute Past Menopause, want to act like a c**t, and be treated like a Man.
This is impossible. Real men are not prima donnas.
>leddit spacing
didnt read
it's called pre madonna, moron
the rest of your post sucked ass btw
no good points made
>unrelated discussion
>relates it to trannies
All right there, bud? Need a dialation station?
So you're an uneducated moron? Good on you for coming out I guess
I feel like it's a mental obstacle more than anything else, if you want to use steroids you are free to do so, there are people who like the easy way and that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Everything is fine if your decisions don't affect mine. In my case I wouldn't do it because of the cost, and because I don't need to have more ambition, sometimes you have to settle. What's the point of wanting to take things beyond an extreme? Think that exercising as such was invented long before zoomers started injecting themselves. It's a trend that people can simply choose to follow or not. Forget about the health problems, and the list goes on and on
You keep your balls and hair plus look aesthetically pleasing
youre not gonna lose ur hair unless you do compounds that are famous for fricking ur hair
but if you do, just hop on fin
realistically if you choose to stay natty you will eventually look better than most people who roid
reason being that if youre already deciding to roid youre not exactly going to put in a tremendous amount of effort into lifting/diet to maximize that potential since youre going for a shortcut i.e youre a lazy frick, which is fine
youll still look good with minimal effort, but people will wonder why the frick are you on the sauce if you look like that
basically natty tryhard > average roider
im not for or against either, but youd be surprised how many people are on the sauce and they look like complete shit or just barely out of DYEL range
so if realistically you end up looking the same long term anyway, might as well stay natty since it has 0 maintenance regarding your health
Your average roider is a moron that spends half the gym time talking to their buddies in the gym, and only works out for like 20-30 minutes.
If you stick to a solid diet and have a workout routine that covers all the bases, you'll look good on roids. it's not rocket science.
>realistically if you choose to stay natty you will eventually look better than most people who roid
you wont
>reason being that if youre already deciding to roid youre not exactly going to put in a tremendous amount of effort into lifting/diet to maximize that potential since youre going for a shortcut i.e youre a lazy frick, which is fine
roids are literally a magic pill and will blow the fk out of ur muscles even you do the bare minimum
>youll still look good with minimal effort, but people will wonder why the frick are you on the sauce if you look like that
average normie is too dumb to distinguish between a natty and a roider
>basically natty tryhard > average roider
you can have perfect diet, training and rest as a natty but youll never look as big as a roider who does a brosplit and eats mcdonalds all week
>but youd be surprised how many people are on the sauce and they look like complete shit or just barely out of DYEL range
most are dumbfricks doing TRT doses afraid of doing more, if they just did the default 500mg test they would be bigger immediately after a few months
>so if realistically you end up looking the same long term anyway, might as well stay natty since it has 0 maintenance regarding your health
kek, no, even if you lift for 10 years as a natty youll never look as good as someone who did 2 cycles of roids
>average normie is too dumb to distinguish between a natty and a roider
then whats the point to roid lmao
>most are dumbfricks doing TRT doses afraid of doing more, if they just did the default 500mg test they would be bigger immediately after a few months
that was my point
i dont even know why you replied to me pretending to disagree when half your points agree with the main point of my post
whatever way you want to spin this shit its pointless
normies cant tell, and you can look better natty than most roiders cause theyre too moronic to do the bare minimum
because normies when they see natty bodies they will think you dont even lift in a shirt
you are moronic the only spin is you are lucky you automatically breathe others you'd have died long ago
Good post anon, solid points and image matches it perfectly.
Have a festive apu.
>but youd be surprised how many people are on the sauce and they look like complete shit
Nah anyone who actually goes to the gym knows that, there's no guarantee you'll look good on roids and most people don't
More proof that I fit doesn't even lift I guess
I don't have shit genetics because I'm not brown or yellow. I literally don't need to roid.
>posts a roider
kek, post body you delusional DYEL
He's 6'2" 190lbs. If you think that's not natty I'm sorry about your genetics choose better parents next time. I'm 6'3" 215lbs lean and natty. I could easily be 190 peeled.
>david laid is natty
damn, nattards are truly delusional Black folk
this is what ur fake natty idol looks offcycle
>Posts a candid of him without a pump, perfect lighting, camera, carb/water modulation to peak for a photo shoot
Congratulations, you proved yourself wrong. It's not a cycle and you'd know that if you lifted.
>nattards actually believe laid is natty
holy shit, i guess you believe jeff seid and jon skywalker are natty aswell, right?
So which is it, you homosexual
>b-b-but natties can look godly too!
>b-b-but you didn't post him in perfect lighting, perfect angle, perfect camera, perfect pose, perfect pump, etc. etc. because otherwise a natty god looks dyel in a candid shot!
???
Pro tip: if you only look good in a very specific photo, you don't look good (yes, that includes all you gays posting in CBT).
>juicer looks like a dyel when off cycle
>thus proving that roids are temporary, and if you want to keep your muscles you gotta keep pinning too
>this is why natties should roid, apparently
Damn, you really proved us wrong
The guy you're replying to has legit below 70IQ. He can't argue at all. Everything he says can be used against him and you don't even have to try to play him. He just comes up with everything right to you.
David blane is natty
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Left would most likely beat the shit out of the right
>Right knows Taekwondo
>Left has a pistol and 10 friends ready to inexplicably appear out of thin air
No shit
My reasoning was that left is more athletic, and even blasting roids is not gonna fix weak shitty Chink genetics. Chinks are the weakest race on Earth and terrible fighters, that Black person would absolutely maul him
asians are shit at fighting bro, have you ever watched UFC?
And im saying this as an asian
I’m a white guy who has watched UFC religiously for a decade. Elite asians compete in their own mma organizations that is why they are disproportionately low in the UFC.
Also - you must have missed Naoya Inoue and Stephen Fulton? Rodtang and Superlek? Asians can bang it out man
>Pornsanae Sitmonchai
why is porn so coommon in names and all in thailand ?
still not many asians from north america fighting in ufc, are they also going to asia?
Black folk are dumb and think they can get big being natty
asians are smart and hopped on the swazoole from the get go
is left meant to look bad. he needs couple more months to look properly good
Left only looks bad to people with body dysmorphia, aka trannies
to be fair he doesnt look ripped yet, but hes getting there
Even if you know what you're doing, roids will frick with your reproductive organs. Not worth it.
You got me, IST. The years of endless roiding threads have demoralized me to the point where I have no choice but to turn in my natty card to see if I've been wasting my time.
>turning morons bald one thread at a time
roiding is difficult bro (if you want to keep your health) and expensive. Take your time to learn the how it all works and the biochemistry behind it. Doing it wrong will LITERALLY give you breasts and your balls will fall off.
Also, IMO it's not worth it if you are already at your natty limit. If you wan to stay monster-huge i.e. beyond your natty limit, then you will need to be on gear to maintain that muscle mass. And if you do it long enough you will frick your hormones up and then you'll need to be on TRT for the rest of your life.
In my opinion as a casual guy you should do roids if you are
1) below your natty limit
2) know very well what you are doing (Derek MPMD level of knowledge)
3) plan to do only a couple of cycles to reach your limit and then stop.
In those cases it's great! Personally, I lifted following advice of random people at the gym. Then I figured out that I'm dumb for listening to them, and researched online. Lifted seriously for another year give or take, and at that point I realized that to achieve the look I'm going for I'll need to lift for five more years at least. Did one cycle of 700mg test-e weekly and reached that in 12 weeks. Balls shrunk and all that. Took another six months to get my testosterone production back to normal, with aggressive and religious PCT. I kept 99% of my gains. I can OHP 2 plate for reps, I'm very proud of that
>Derek MPMD level of knowledge
yeah bro just follow derek advice of 300mg of test on ur first cycle he knows so much kek
even the steroids reddit board will give you more info than any fricking youtuber
yes you are right his advice is often crap, but what I'm suggesting is that if you can't follow one of his videos without pausing to google the shit he says - then you need to study more.
Thoughts on just popping a dianabol tablet a few times a week? What sort of effect would this have?
I'm mostly interested in it as a kind of anti-depressant for low T men and I guess I'll combine it with working out on the days I do take it.
Exogenous test will shut your balls down, it doesn’t matter how little. I learned this the hard way from a measly 140test cyp/week trying trt. I’m convinced now cycling with some hcg once a year is the way to go
Isn't there only a limited number of cycles I can do before I deal with all the shitty side effects? Why would I want to waste it on something I can achieve naturally?
>shrunken balls
>aggressive pct for 6 mos
Help me out here, did you take hcg while you were on cycle? If not, why? If so, why didn’t it work? For those that do use hcg, what’s the general consensus on weekly intake to keep your balls nice and big?
anyone who goes beyond this physique is a coping roidtroony loser
I have been
>Fat in high school
>Skinny, stopped eating in college
>Fit after that
>Steroids for a few years
>Back to natty because poor
Nothing will ever make girls fall all over you like being shredded on gear and you're very stupid to believe otherwise
you only need 100$ max on a blast and 50$ to maintain, how poor are you anon?
>women aren't actually attracted to the perfect godlike body steroids will give you bro trust me bro this guy has the hardest time getting pussy dude
i think roidin wont help ugly manlets
dude hes already handsome
all the gym does to this guy is age him faster and make him lose his hair
He's on roids aswell, he stopped blasting because he was losing hair like crazy.
Just check his last interview vid and he looks like he never touched a gym in his life while trying to hide his balding nw3 spot with a fringe
there is no practical purpose to being a rippling monster. there's barely practical purpose to doing more than light lifting so your skeleton doesn't fall apart these days. women, much like men, have a diverse range of physical preferences so as long as you're not a gross niche like being a fatty or gollum being shredded is also not practical for that either. this leaves lifting or further roiding basically down to "cause I want to" for justification. which is fine. just be honest about it.
a test cycle isnt going to turn you into a monster
to achieve mr olympia tier of muscle mass you need to be blasting grams of gear, gh, insulin, orals
The future that awaits all roiders
Why did Lurch do it? Do these ma'ams not realize this doesn't work if you look like a velociraptor?
I may consider roiding when Im rich enough to afford high quality roids and weekly bloodscan. I dont trust chinese bath tub roids.
And most roiders are so lame and insecure when they are off.
If roiders are as big of confident pussy slaying epic Chads as they say they are why do they have to make 50 IST threads a day to tell everyone? Just seems like you guys are really insecure
We aren't making these threads, it's frustrated nattards.
But when you have completely brainrot Reddit morons like this guy
we have to come btfo them.
Yea bro, it's definitely the natties that can't stop thinking about roids lol
There's a new thread b***hing about sam sulek, zoomers and steroids almost daily.
Nattycucks just beg for attention.
The asian one started looking like an absolute homosexual
seems less narcissistic in the after
Not dying? Not experiencing negative side effects that completely nullify the point of exercising in the first place? Roiders are almost always insecure as frick and have a chip on their shoulder from years of being an insufferable beta who thinks lifting heavy pieces of metal will make them somehow desirable by anyone other than shallow morons and/or gay men. Unvaxxed natty lifters with variation in their routines( not just bars) will always be healthier, longer living and more desirable. OP is probably a short homosexual.
You're delusional
You're deluding yourself into thinking what you achieved was by your effort and work.
Damn did a roidhead steal your girl?
Once you inject yourself with external hormones. Your body will be dependent on that source. No such thing as going off-cycle. It takes time, but eventually your body will negatively response to the external source of hormones, once your off your cycle. This is why roiders look like a fat balding chickens after they're finished with their cycle. Your balls won't be able to reproduce that level test you made before going on roids, and you will have testosterone issues.
Wrong. My levels are the same as 10 years ago.
there's plenty of legit reasons not roid if you dont want to, but this made-up bullshit your spouting isnt one of them
Not considering famous actors or those half dozen bodybuilding competitors, I never ever saw an older dude who used to roid advocating for the use of anabolic steroids.
It always the extreme opposite.
Health wise, damage is something that after happened will have it's direct and indirect consequences stuck with you until the day you die.
Medicine can't cure kidney insuficiente, for example a liver failure... Not to address more instantly end gamers like heart attack and aneurism
Young people are naive to the point they think they know it all.
Your death, as the overwhelming majority of people, will not be instantly and painless
The death process from illness is a extremely torturous and long thing
I had the weird opportunity to witness the death rolls of an individual and it is not pretty not one bit
Roids only deliver what they did not promise, because all the roiders I know went into old age being the total opposite of a health exemple of an individual
All are a couple decades older then should me, big distended bellies with a depressing face expression
And you probably are just end up not changing your chud situation while adding a big pair of teenage breasts as a laughable case of gyno, as many kids do
Kind of tired of this demoralization on here.
>here is 1 photo of a guy who clearly has never taken training seriously that will make you rethink if lifting weights is even worth it
You can get plenty big as a natty lifter. In 2 years I have completely transformed my physique, to the point that I get compliments from strangers.
If you actually train hard, you will grow fast.
youre a fatfrick
lose weight
don't listen to the seething browncels you look good man
This is white? On IST?
>muh purity spiral
ok israelite post nose
We can't tell if he is white. He looks latino to me. At least what we can see of his face and the tone of his skin in the light. I'm not the racial autist. I'm questioning and wondering that he suddenly is classified as white.
I'm 100% sure more than enough people here would say otherwise judging from that picture.
he could be italian but its sad how dyel pajeets are trying to demoralize people from lifting on this board
I don't know what he is. And even italians are nonwhite according to this board. So, I literally don't know what you want from me, and what your obsession with dyel pajeets is. We don't even know what or who the people are who called him fat.
>even italians are nonwhite according to this board
i don't care what sandBlack folk on /misc/ say is white or not but i do know the demoralizers are trannies, dyel browncels (pajeets) and israelites.
Prove you are neither.
What's the point of roiding if you can't get this big? You are just wasting roids and reducing your lifespan and hairline just to look like zyzz who roided to get a swimmers physique. What happened to zyzz?
The point is they're allergic to actual hard work and would rather castrate themselves and and die early if it allows them to be lazier.
because being that big isnt attractive to women
a 500mg test cycle will get you big and shredded enough
You don't need to roid to get women.
you do if you dont have a good face
No, just workout more. The just a little bit is a moronic mentality. Break your limits or don't at all.
Disgusting. Golden era had the best aesthetics, not this bloated mess which only appeals fetishists homos.
>What is the point of being natty?
For me, the point of being natty is to actually take pride in the body that I've achieved through sheer hard work and discipline.
The point is that I'll never look back and wonder what I could have achieved had I stayed natural. Regardless of how good I may look on roids, I'd always have a nagging voice asking what I could have managed without taking the easy way out.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning people that take steroids, everyone's free to do what they want. That being said, whenever I look in the mirror I know that this is what I achieved by myself.
>Inb4 post body
This is me in the early days of my cut, post meal.
For anyone actually reading this, lifting weights is a marathon not a sprint. Ignore all the demotivation posters, if you stay consistent and work hard you can look good. My journey is still going, and I know I still have plenty of progress to make. We're all gonna make it Natty bros.
The only based post in this thread. Every other post before and after this one is gay.
that guy looks like he never touched a single weight in his life and hes doing pump + lightning
b..but yours came after?
Admirable physique, very nice.
> Im gonna joooooooooooce
Roiding outside of a career path is quite honestly pathetic. Whatever way you want to justify it will make you sound like a woman because it is the logic and reasoning of women.
I started doing steroids 2 years ago after 12 years of training natty. One advantage of steroids that people rarely mention is a huge improvement in recovery. If you are 20 you can recover and function well after heavy sessions, but after 30 it starts to frick up your life. If you have a heavy deadlift session in the morning, you're fricked for the day. If you do it in the evening it interferes with your sleep and you are still fricked the next day. With steroids you can work out harder and longer and function outside of the gym even better than you would natty. HGH is also the best sleep hack in the existence. 2iu before bed and you sleep like a baby and wake fresh and full of energy. I will never turn back. Frick being natty.
did you get any sides
Nothing serious, but I never blasted hard. My first cycle was 500mg test + HCG 500iu twice a week + Aromasin 25mg daily. No side effects and I gained 9kg in 3 months and I lost like 2kg after I stopped. My second cycle was similar, but included one of Anavar 50mg, Dbol 20mg or Anadrol 25mg + Tudca for liver protection daily. Towards the end of 3 months I started getting irritated on days when I took Anavar or Anadrol, but felt awesome on dbol. After I stopped the cycle I felt low energy and motivation for 4-5 days and my lipids were slightly raised. In my second I gained around 6kg, but gained much more in strength.
Shrunken nuts is my biggest hang up even though I’m almost a boomer. Do you still blast 250iu hcg twice a week while cruising? 8 weeks of TRT and my balls went the way of the dodo. Psychologically fricked me up. I stopped and am currently doing pct. I’ll consider trying again next year but need to make sure my balls stay nice and big.
>Towards the end of 3 months I started getting irritated on days when I took Anavar or Anadrol, but felt awesome on dbol
Anadrol's something you should really only use for short periods to hit a PB or compete, like 2-3 weeks max.
>One advantage of steroids that people rarely mention is a huge improvement in recovery
>that people rarely mention
What the frick?
Why did you think athletes that don't work out roid?
Man, I just turned 32 and feel this in my fricking bones, literally. A heavy gym session completely fricks me up these days. Still would never fraud though.
>What is the point of being natty?
to live past 40
also, the swole ass waiter meme is real
>146 posts, 60 ips
get a hobby, my man
Roid guy definitely did roids longer than he should have. He should be cycling X months on, X months off. It looks like he went a FULL YEAR STRAIGHT
You're supposed to blast and cruise. Doing pct is dumb unless you plan on not roiding ever again.
Idk not dying by 2030?
As a natty you're either 20-30% body fat and strong or <15%, no muscle and fricking weak. On roids you get to be below 15% body fat and be muscled + strong. Anyone telling you anything else is natty cope.
>Inb4 some natty cope
Go on any cbt and look. All ripped natties that post around 6' are 180lbs soaking wet.
>Inb4 I know this 1 legendary natty that is ripped and strong he just said he works hard lol
He is either bullshitting you or a genetic outlier.
This is the biggest con to me, everytime I cut to 15% or below it feels like all my strength goes to shit, I'm hungry all the time, my mood sucks, libido is non existent and I can see my abs but my arms look small af compared to bulking.
It's a sad reality.
Theres studies that show it permenantly increases muscle mass. Does that mean once we hit 1/2/3/4 we should do a couple cycles then quit? Most people can hit 1/2/3/4 quite easily, if not atleast 1/2/2.5/3
Then you can just maintain
>wanting it to be easy
shiggy diggy
It's not about being easy or hard, I love going to the gym but getting 0 gains after a while gets boring.
You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
You done quoting call of duty single player death quotes?
I lifted natty for 6 years, stop comparing real life with video games you braindead DYEL.
>y-you didn't work hard for it
>y-you are such a cheater
>l-life is like games!!
I guarantee you lifted and put more effort than 99% of this homosexual board.
It's been gay since the zoomers become the dominant population here, they are low-t as all high fricking hell, just wait any moment now one of them is going to virtually lash out, and try to drag everyone into their nihilistic head cannon. Likely just too hard to face the reality that fortnite, and troony sfm porn ruined them, oh and not having a father figure.
100% whitoids who insulted him
nope only pajeets type that and try to demoralize a good white man working out
Verification not required.
Fertility.
what's the point of being a roid troony? I work out for physical and mental health and yes to look better. But why take roids if you are not a professional body builder an actor or performer, like I don't wanna be goofy super big waiter
Dat Black doesn't eat? WTF.
You zoomers are so fricking low-t it's laughable, just troon out you fricking b***hes. I'm bigger than the Black, and I haven't lifted in 3 years.
You're bigger than someone who looks like he never touched a single weight in his life?
Damn, impressive, congrats anon. Meanwhile the Asian mogs all natties of IST in 8 months of juice.
Juicing is moronic, it's extremely short-sighted BDD behavior. Have fun getting acne, and going bald faster than normal, not to mention all the other problems. No, but please, please do treat your body like a cheap prostitute in it's prime and blow your self the frick out irreparably. You young kids are so moronic it isn't even funny. Also that chink is still ugly it's why he has a face mask on in the buff shot.
Also to add onto this, if you're looking for female attention you won't get it women really only care about lean dudes, you're just going to get checked out by other guys in the gym, and homos.
You guys are funny, natties will complain about roiders hurting their feelings and being demoralization drones but you actually is one and do the same as them.
>that kid is so ugly he should've killed himself and not tried to improve his life at all
Pathetic.
hehehehehahah oh yeah improve his life huh, just sit back and wait until that little moron hits his 30s.
Because I’d rather look like left than right.
And because I want to be strong and healthy.
Needing to be a 215lb lean roid monster is body dyspepsia and it goes directly against the goal of being healthy.
But if you want my expert take, the only good path forward is going lean, as it's healthy. Muscle taxes the heart as well, the goal should seriously be health, but no no feel free to join zyzz if you'd like.
Oh and lately you zoomer gays have started taken full on nude shots of yourselves while you censor out your junk to have yourself rated by strange men on a basket weaving forum. Back in the day it was just a shot of yourself in basketball shorts.
please tell me where to buy, I want to burn twice as bright and die early
Go on eroids, search sources. You’re welcome
thank you fren
Please refrain from posting ethnics in the OP, it ruins the catalog.
Shut up Black person
>t. butthurt brown person
Black bois are built for big israeli wiener.
I’m starting to feel like natty lifting is a big waste of time, My roided brother basically has a harem right now
I feel like an idiot
Almost as if we were right
I have to say, the guy on the left looks really good for just 8 months. Im starting to think that Roids are a huge meme.
>Frick your health
>Become a troony
>Become unattractive to women
>I look big!
I wonder if Derek has seen himself referred to as a roidtroony online or has heard the term.
Nope. Ive never seen the use of roid troony outside of IST. Your memes are self contained.
Satisfaction
Asian dude is now a gymshark model with 300k followers on instagram, slaying prime zoomer pussy.
The natty Black is a nobody with probably 1k on instagram.
How tall are those women then if ethan nguyen is supposedly 5 10? Are they tall women? homies be lying about their height like crazy
>followers on Instagram = success
Dude, go outside for a minute. This is not healthy. Your mother and I are worried about you.
you should go outside, talk to every modern girl and if you dont have atleast a few thousands followers on instagram youre literally a dog
wrong i get zoomer pussy and i don't even have social media just because you are ugly, brown and misrable to be around doesn't mean the real world is anything close to how you terminally online homosexual ass thinks it is
Followers only means something when youre trying to hook up with a random social media thot by sending her dms on instagram, as they get hit up by dozens of men every day and number of followers works as a filter in determining who is worth replying to.
Girls you meet outside of social media really dont care.
Would do, but I don't have social media and my wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. Better luck next time.
why is his mouth always open?
Your dick still works.
Having a better body than 95% of people
What's the point of roiding when it's just to take pictures for the internet? Most of the time roiders are indistinguishable from natties. It's not like most of the people who roid are actually using the roids for any good reason like to win a body building pageant, strong man, or powerlifting contest.
there is so much misinformation about steroids I honestly stopped giving a frick about explaining it to strangers
When i was 24 I wanted to use steroids to achieve my goal body (which was not attainable natural). It was 5'11, 200 lb, 11% bf, year round. I started at 5'11, 160 lb, 14% bf. I did my blasts, did the tren, did the orals, did the deca, did the test, and after about 2 years of blast and cruising, I finally achieved my goal stats while on 200mg test. My hair shedded and I had to buzz it.
Now I don't touch anything other than that 200mg test. I've been on a hair growth protocol and becuase it's only 200mg test, my hair is back and thicker than ever. And I kept my goal body.
Now, when strangers ask me: "are you natural?" I say no. By looking at me they'd think im on tren (which they learned about from tik tok as a literal meme), but I add "im on 200mg test" and they dont know what that means. Sometimes they even say "you're not that big". And I say "ok"
So i'm just over it. I tell people I use steroids, and that's it. Shit, if I see a noob come up and ask me for advice I just say "im on steroids cant help you, sorry" so they leave me alone. Some people don't want to be helped. Let them live in ignorance. They don't know how much 200-300mg of test supercharges growth while offering almost zero sides.
how bad were the hair sides, anon?
would you say the default 500mg test is too much for someone whos wanting to start?
honestly losing my hair is my biggest fear when it comes to roids but my friend stopped taking it due to some acne
My hair was fine with moderate doses. It wasn't until I was dumb and did a 100mg winny 500mg tren blast to try and cut ASAP for a holiday party lol. 500mg test was fine for me, so was anavar. Tren made me shed above 350mg, winstrol shed
its all really about genetics, but I will say there are chemicals that can keep your hair even through a shit load of drug use, and i'm talking about RU. Fin doesn't work because the test is simply too high. Never tried dut
If you really are scared about your hair get on the hair loss protocol for at least 6 months, then just try baby steps up. If the hair loss comes from drugs then when you stop, the regrowth will unpause
So taking fin with it is just useless?
/fraud/ lied to me
Fin reduces conversion to DHT by 70%. 500mg of test is what, 6x-8x normal range
70% of 700% is…
How much stronger is dut or RU
Dut 95% RU supposedly 100% but topical so only on the spots you put it
95% of 700% still feels terrible odds
>My hair shedded and I had to buzz it.
If you lost your hair, then that's pretty much just bad genes. There are a lot of Norwood males who want to cope by claiming roids cause hair loss when it's simply just a fact that many people have bad genes for hair.
Left looks pretty good though, especially for only 8 months
Roidtroony gains are fake, you've accomplished nothing.
You may fool dyel's and thot's, but you will never fool natties and athletic tomboys.
Enjoy you fleeting gains while you can, you will eventually get bored & deflate, or die of a heart attack in your 30's.
post body
post body
Post body
not the same asian. Look at his eyesbrows/ eyesockets.
Im 5’7, 5/10 face and age 20. Even after lifting I’ve only had one woman show direct interest with me, im still an Incel, and all of my friends abandoned me for being low status male/virgin. Should I roid? I dont know if it would increase my attractiveness
It will
Acne, hair loss, liver damage.
One cycle won't kill you but you're still likely to get those three.
No thanks
What is the point of roiding to look good and then cover your homosexual face with a mask?
Because if you're ugly it makes people fill in the blank with a more attractive face than they really have, especially if they're attracted to you already and wish for your face to be as attractive.
>he has to make ballooned muscles for his genes are bad
Ngmi
Being a well adjusted human being and not destroying your health to appeal to losers at the gym and online.
>dozens of roid posters posting selfies
>literally zero natties posting any pics
AHAHAHHHAHAHA
They be waiting for the lunar eclipse lightning to go thru their window so they can get the perfect fraud shoot
>roiders don't know the meaning of dozens