What is the reliable source of dietary information?

What is the reliable source of dietary information? Been currently reading Greger's "How not to die", but I don't like the way in which he built he's book around not being a fat slob (cmon I already have it figured out) and they way in which he states the research. Mayby there is a shortage of good research on the subject, but some of the research he cites involve aspects that make results of them pointless to read out as he does. Let me give an example, not the real one, I can't recall it with 100% detail
>group A eats some kind of fruit
>group B does not
>group A turns out to be healthier
And, I mean unless these people are eating exactly the same diet but some kind of apple/banana, the result of this are worthless. The research he cites are often done on populations and habits from the past, so wouldn't it make sense for a population that generally eats more fruit to also have a healthier BMI, more activity, be generally more ditetary conciouss? Not to say that probably richer and also less stressed. I feel like whole medical dietary science is like throwing a rock into some kind of mixture and trying to judge whether it's water or gasoline but the mixture is far more complex and such a brute test does nothing.

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    And oslo the guy wants to put me on something like 40-50g of protein, mostly plant based a day. Like how am I even growing on this kind of shit man. He states that animal protein comes with package - unhealthy fats and carcinogens, but skyr for example has 0% fats and I have never heard of it having any carcinogens, but his whole book is like
    >No, diary, no no
    >eat legumes bitch
    >uhm liver? Stuff your mouth with carrot
    I just don't understand. From evolutionary point of view, eating organs such as liver should be beneficial? I mean our species probably had like hundred of thousands years to get used to eating this. Shouldn't we have more access to some plants and some food including eggs for a thousands of years? If this is true, it should mean that we are most likely pretty good at getting nutrients from those and also this should be optimal, but the guy states that it is optimal for me to get like 60% of calories in form of a fucking potato that we could grow for like ~5k years?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      greger is a hack. most of the studies he cites are shit studies or are very weak support for his claims. and he thinks fat is the cause of type 2.

      i don't think there's a truly reliable source of dietary info. best way is to learn how to discern research information, critically listen to a lot of different people's arguments, and carefully look through a lot of studies. and to learn about human biology as much as possible. nutrition is an extremely difficult topic with a stupid amount of variables. the consensus is "whole foods are better" and "sneed oils/sugar are bad", and that's about it.

      >the consensus is "whole foods are better" and "sneed oils/sugar are bad", and that's about it.
      yeah I feel like I'm chasing something that isn't there. I'm a perfectionist or simply some mild autist type so it's hard for me to drop the idea of having at least decently optimal diet, but I think I'm just gonna read some health journals and 2g/kgobw brotein because it's simply too much.
      >greger is a hack.
      felt like this reading his book. I mean I had some experience with le magick doctors from the internet that state some schizo things and he felt like one of them, but the opinions on his book and his persona overall were positive. I mean not like some cult from isuckoffmichaelgreger.com opinion but severall opinions from different sites were not only positive but cited him as someone best if not one of the best.

      Greger's book is an excellent source. I don't understand your criticism because he explicitly puts weight on strongest possible evidence. He presents studies where causation can be established in a controlled manner, that is, you have a control group as a baseline.
      >group A eats some kind of fruit
      >group B does not
      Yes exactly like this, you control for other variables such as smoking and age, do a change in test group like making it eat more fruits, and observe the effect against control group that doesn't do the change. It's called a controlled trial. What more do you want? What do you think is strong evidence?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >strongest possible evidence.
        RCTs are that not the epidemiologic data he uses. You also don't understand what a control group is.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          He uses both. You can't use RCT's to acquire any data on diseases which take decades to develop such as cancer, Alzheimers and heart diseases. You need epidemiology for that. And I just explained what is a control group in controlled study and my description is accurate.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't use RCT's to acquire any data on diseases which take decades to develop such as cancer, Alzheimers and heart diseases
            yes you can. there are RCTs powered for these he just doesnt like the results so he ignores them

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            and no you didnt explain a control group properly. what you described is controlling for a few specific factors in an observational study. not the same as a proper randomized control group

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              RCT's are observational studies. All life science is observational. Only pure math is based on axiomatic a priori fundamentals.

              https://i.imgur.com/5Jx7u68.jpg

              He is dying slowly from malnutrition.

              Sure is slow death considerin he's been doing that for about 20 years.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    greger is a hack. most of the studies he cites are shit studies or are very weak support for his claims. and he thinks fat is the cause of type 2.

    i don't think there's a truly reliable source of dietary info. best way is to learn how to discern research information, critically listen to a lot of different people's arguments, and carefully look through a lot of studies. and to learn about human biology as much as possible. nutrition is an extremely difficult topic with a stupid amount of variables. the consensus is "whole foods are better" and "sneed oils/sugar are bad", and that's about it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the consensus is "whole foods are better" and "sneed oils/sugar are bad", and that's about it.
      yeah I feel like I'm chasing something that isn't there. I'm a perfectionist or simply some mild autist type so it's hard for me to drop the idea of having at least decently optimal diet, but I think I'm just gonna read some health journals and 2g/kgobw brotein because it's simply too much.
      >greger is a hack.
      felt like this reading his book. I mean I had some experience with le magick doctors from the internet that state some schizo things and he felt like one of them, but the opinions on his book and his persona overall were positive. I mean not like some cult from isuckoffmichaelgreger.com opinion but severall opinions from different sites were not only positive but cited him as someone best if not one of the best.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bart Kay on YouTube

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who goes to this decrepit clownshoe for health advice deserves everything they get.

    Eat fucking meat gay.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why? His only health issues are bad eyesight and balding. Both are common for men in their late 40's and almost completley hereditary conditions. He isn't even overweigth like 80% of Americans are.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mate he looks like a man in his late 60s. Sarcopenic, pale, weak, sickly and distinctly lacking in manly qualities.

        If this is who you want to aspire to, have at it boss.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I get that he isn't a man to your queer eye, no judgement. But the thing is he is not sick or obese.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            He is dying slowly from malnutrition.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I cannot wait for Shawn Baker to keel over from a heart attack. Nothing against him, but maybe it'll shut ketoschizo up for a bit.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He isn't even overweigth

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, he clearly is not overweight.

          >You can't use RCT's to acquire any data on diseases which take decades to develop such as cancer, Alzheimers and heart diseases
          yes you can. there are RCTs powered for these he just doesnt like the results so he ignores them

          No you can't. You can only use randomized controlled trials when you can A) randomize and B) control. You can't do that reliably for decades. Even for a few weeks it becomes inaccurate when you can at most believe they do as told and show up for labs as instructed.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/iZ5xl01.jpg

      >He isn't even overweigth

      MF looks like a 1940s caricature.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    trust your gut
    what did your ancestors eat?
    what food did your mom make?
    what food did your grandma make?
    obviously this should be adjusted for fitness purposes but you get the general framework from there

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what food did your grandma make?
      Meaty dishes of all sorts and smoked salmon every so often. Her specialty were meatballs and buttery gravy. Both my grandparents were on meds for high blood pressure and heart issues for as long as I can remember, at least 20 years. Gramps died of heart attack after two bypasses and granny died of stroke after the first stroke partially paralyzed her. What a great dietary advice you have for me there.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        blood pressure issues in elderly people is not a rare sight at all so I don't know what kind of a big revelation you're trying to make here
        I have a feeling you just want to argue here because you can just simply google how to avoid high blood pressure and cut those foods out

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes it isn't rare in elderly people and it isn't rare in anyone eating a bad diet, starting as early as in childhood. It only is more devastating in old people because as said, the typically related health issues such as cardiovascular disease puts an extra strain on body. Already by 40's after continuing to eat a diet high in salt and saturated fat since childhood your arteries have narrowed to such extent you need meds to survive. High blood pressure and narrowed veins is a deadly combination.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            And I really want to stress one thing here: high blood pressure and cardiovascular diseases are completely avoidable. My grandparents didn't die of those just because they were old, like I wrote they already were suffering from the consequences of eating a lot of meat and saturated fat for decades until it became fatal.

            I understand the point you're trying to make here
            what I wanted to say originally is that you should take note what your parents, grandparents eat but I should've added that you might need to make adjustments on your own, you don't have to follow them 1:1
            the foods you listed are all great, there's nothing inherently wrong with them, I would eat those as well but the problem is the quantity, you can sort this out by googling stuff like ''recommend sodium intake per day'' or something like that and then cut out the excess meat and replace it with something else
            so what I want to say with all of this is that you should look at those diets and *if there is something noticeably wrong with them* then make adjustments
            same goes for all the children of the parents who often feed them fast food, obviously it's wrong and you can't copy that diet in that case

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I agree. The adjustment you're talking about needs to be minimizing saturated fat, salt and sugar consumption. That is universally agreed.

              FYI, vegans also die of the same shit everyone else does, but they pretend it only happens to apostates or non-vegans.
              As a former 10 year vegan, I watched people I knew in the industry die of cancer, heart attacks, MS complications and more. You know, the sort of things that vegan preachers tell you "can't happen" if you follow a vegan diet. Your genetic coding supersedes all else, you can be a raw food vegan eating only shit you pull from your own garden and get something that will kill you in your 20s, for most people, what will kill you is likely already genetically coded in your DNA and can't be stopped.
              However, for shit like diabetes and heart shit from being a fat fuck eating a garbage diet, sure, going vegan can help make things better, but it sure as shit isn't ever going to make anyone "live forever" or be "disease-proof" because what happens in the real world proves this otherwise.
              Veganism likes to pretend that everyone dies early from eating meat, except how it conveniently ignores the millions of people who are alive and healthy at 75+ years old today who have eaten meat in fair quantity for their entire lives. My folks are almost 90 and meat has been the basis of every meal for them, and they look almost 20 years younger than everyone else their age.
              The secret?
              They stayed active and walked 2+ miles a day until they were 80 and had to slow down. Dad still goes to his cardio class 2x/week and mom still takes care of her house and cleans/cooks all day long and does all her own shopping.
              THAT is what will keep you alive the longest, staying IST and being active as long as possible.

              Again I agree with most of what you wrote including outlandish claims some vegans make when in reality it's not enough to just stop eating animals and replace it with vegan junk. Greger makes a strong point about that too.

              >what will kill you is likely already genetically coded in your DNA and can't be stopped
              Thing to keep in mind with hereditary thinking is that children inherit their parents dietary patterns, which is why fat people have fat kids. Twin studies where other twin is adopted are extremely clear about that.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, it's not like I said you should get fat. And I never implied that there's anything wrong with eating vegetables and fruits and some grains in limited capacity. I'm simply saying that a vegan diet does not offer any assurance of outrunning your fate for illness UNLESS you've been eating a shitty diet that's taking you down a bad course.
                I'm glad I was vegan for that period because as someone who told myself I HATED vegetarian and vegan stuff, I found that there's a fair amount of it I've incorporated into my life after leaving the cult which has made my diet better and has definitely not done me any direct harm. But, if you take someone who has eaten reasonable amounts of quality meat and vegetables/fruits their whole life who isn't fat and who doesn't eat processed shit or live a crappy lifestyle where they're poisoning themselves with drugs/alcohol/medications/pollution every day, then following the advice of someone like Greger really won't likely make any positive impact on your health in the end. Again, ANY change from a shit diet of fast food and frozen pizzas changing to clean foods will be vastly superior, whether it's one where you're eating lean protein and seafood or one where you abstain from meat.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is no "fate for illness". All chronic diseases are avoidable. They take time to develop, so all you have to do is cut out the cause early on. Even better, the whole-food plant-based diet even reverses already progressed atherosclerosis.

                >following the advice of someone like Greger really won't likely make any positive impact on your health in the end
                Maybe, if you really keep meat consumption really low. Consistency is the key and I don't see a problem in eating lamb on Easter and ham on Christmas, eating a nice burger every now and then. But do it every day and you're begging for trouble.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >All chronic diseases are avoidable.
                Tell that to the vegans I know who died or were nearly killed by illnesses they developed while vegan.
                Please, please tell me you don't honestly believe that you can literally eliminate illness by eliminating certain foods from your diet, that would be awful to think this.
                And, for the record, some of the "reversal of heart disease" studies done by vegan physicians like Dr. Esselsteyn were done using statin blockers in addition to putting unhealthy people on a vegan diet. So, a vegan physician both puts someone on a shitty diet on a not-so-shitty one AND gives them pharmaceuticals as well and claims it's ONLY the diet that worked the magic, which he was criticized for because it's nonsense.
                Again, if you take a sedentary fatass who lives on shitty processed foods, and put them on a whole food diet that still has them eating chicken, fish, turkey, lean pork and lean beef multiple times per day, and get them moving for the first time in years and off the couch, THAT will also cause great improvements in their overall health and can help reverse some illnesses.
                Vegan foods are not magic, and meat is not inherently bad for you. And here you are again, pretending that "eating meat every day is begging for trouble" as millions of people all around you are getting old and are still healthy if they eat meat daily and keep active. You need to stop being brainwashed in the magic of vegan foods and stop believing meat to be evil because all around you, there's contradictory evidence that goes against your perceived narrative.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Even better, the whole-food plant-based diet even reverses already progressed atherosclerosis.
                And, millions of people who never went vegan but adjusted their diets from processed shit to whole foods also reversed heart disease, diabetes, and other things that are CAUSED DIRECTLY by poor diet and sedentary lifestyles. If that weren't the case, then everyone who got the news that their cholesterol was high and who had major issues coming on would have HAD to go vegan or die soon. But that didn't happen, because those who made reasonable changes almost certainly saw improvements in their health without eliminating all meat, eggs and dairy.
                I mean, we can keep going around and around on this, but what I see in reality will always trump the claims of those who are out to sell you on a "cure" when some things can be cured via multiple avenues, and some things simply cannot be cured at all.
                A raw food guru I used to see at tradeshows who lived as "healthy" of a life as possible who had not touched meat, eggs, dairy or anything processed in over 2 decades died of cancer in his early 40s. His ghost would like to have a word with you about how he was supposed to be "cancer-proof" as someone who consumed absolutely nothing that was attributed to the condition that removed him from this plane of existence.

                Yes I honestly believe that you can literally eliminate illness by eliminating certain foods from your diet, it has been well established. As for your criticism of Esselstyn, I'm not familiar with the details, but I know he isn't the only one who has done the heart reversal trick with low-fat vegan diet. That has been repeated by others. It's also noteworthy, statins or not, that you can't reverse it with statins. As for what you claimed about putting people on diet of eating meat multiple times a day reversing diseases, nope, there is zero evidence of that happening. Meat IS inherently bad for you. It's perfectly clear. You refuse to face the reality but claim to see it. And nobody is cancer proof, you can only reduce its odds.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Even better, the whole-food plant-based diet even reverses already progressed atherosclerosis.
                And, millions of people who never went vegan but adjusted their diets from processed shit to whole foods also reversed heart disease, diabetes, and other things that are CAUSED DIRECTLY by poor diet and sedentary lifestyles. If that weren't the case, then everyone who got the news that their cholesterol was high and who had major issues coming on would have HAD to go vegan or die soon. But that didn't happen, because those who made reasonable changes almost certainly saw improvements in their health without eliminating all meat, eggs and dairy.
                I mean, we can keep going around and around on this, but what I see in reality will always trump the claims of those who are out to sell you on a "cure" when some things can be cured via multiple avenues, and some things simply cannot be cured at all.
                A raw food guru I used to see at tradeshows who lived as "healthy" of a life as possible who had not touched meat, eggs, dairy or anything processed in over 2 decades died of cancer in his early 40s. His ghost would like to have a word with you about how he was supposed to be "cancer-proof" as someone who consumed absolutely nothing that was attributed to the condition that removed him from this plane of existence.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          And I really want to stress one thing here: high blood pressure and cardiovascular diseases are completely avoidable. My grandparents didn't die of those just because they were old, like I wrote they already were suffering from the consequences of eating a lot of meat and saturated fat for decades until it became fatal.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >reading book from vegan fraud who claimed that eating one egg is more harmful to the body than smoking 1000 cigarettes
    Literally, burn that fucking book and NEVER go to veganfags for dietary advice.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He has never claimed that. He also is advocating for a whole-foods plant-based diet, not a "vegan diet" which only requires you to not eat animal products. Here is his daily dozen to give you an idea what kind of diet he recommends.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He has never claimed that.
        Wrong, I used to follow him on Twitter and saw the post myself.
        Stop defending that fucking retard. Greger looked like dogshit when I met him when he was only 30 years old, he was a white lump of a man with no physicality and looked like he was 50 then. Imagine taking your advice from someone who makes shitty claims and who LARPs as a "health expert" while never looking healthy himself.
        Sure, you SHOULD eat more greens, fruits and vegetables, but that's where his actual useful info ends. Telling people meat, eggs and dairy are bad for you once again literally ignores all people through history who were healthy and lived long lives without being vegan. Stop falling for propaganda.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          He has never claimed that. But please, link to that post if he really has. Also let's take your claim of meeting him 20 years ago on good faith. So he has looked bad consistently for 20 years to your queer eye? Ok, and? The question again is IS he unhealthy? Not how he looks. And he isn't ignoring "all people through history" when he cites research done over decades demonstrating that meat, eggs and dairy are bad for you. Long, large population studies are crucial in establishing the fact.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He has never claimed that.
            Again, I've seen the post back about 5 years ago when I still used social media. All accounts deleted now, if the post wasn't taken down by him, you can find it there. I'm not going back to that cesspool just to spend time looking for a retarded quote. I dunno, maybe he's not as sickly as he looks, but honestly, if I only live to 70 eating the way I do or I live to 73 eating what he recommends and not feeling good (as I felt like shit in my last years on a vegan diet) or looking good, then what's the point? To extend my life to 100 when everyone I know pretty much says that once you hit 80, it really doesn't matter anymore how much longer you go? Unless you are going to have dozens of grandkids and want to be around to watch them hit middle age, what specifically makes you care about living way past when life is still able to be enjoyed to the fullest? Quality over quantity, man, that's the key, you can be a fucking monk forever, but if you're not happy and feeling great, it's pointless.
            >he cites research
            But again, it matters not what the "research" says when it's constantly disproven as being fact via the millions who are "outliers" are actually the norm if they aren't eating shit foods and stay active?
            Veganism's biggest flaw is that, there are NO multi-generational long-term studies to prove that being vegan and not eating meat will make you live longer and ward off illnesses. It relies on deception because, in reality, it's a very "new" lifestyle and it's entirely possible that in 100 years, it could be found that veganism has a shitload of drawbacks when followed for a person's entire life, but since it hasn't been studied long enough, it pretends that it's superior despite lack of appreciable data.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              So he has never claimed so. Gotcha.

              >if I only live to 70 eating the way I do or I live to 73 eating what he recommends and not feeling good (as I felt like shit in my last years on a vegan diet) or looking good, then what's the point?
              Then there is no point, true. Generally speaking you want to maximize your active years meaning how long you are fully functional. Plant-based diets help do that by reducing the usual culprits that cripple a man as early as their 40's. Evidence is plenty clear on that.

              >it matters not what the "research" says when it's constantly disproven as being fact via the millions who are "outliers" are actually the norm
              Outlier literally means a rare data point not in line with other observations. Outliers can't make the norm as in normal distribution. It's impossible by definition.

              >Veganism's biggest flaw is that, there are NO multi-generational long-term studies to prove that being vegan and not eating meat will make you live longer and ward off illnesses.
              True, I guess, I'm not that familiar with how long the adventist studies went on. It's also quite irrelevant since the studies we do have overwhelmingly tell the same story: less meat = more health.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have Twitter? You can certainly look it up if you like, that's your choice, I'm not here to do the work for you.
                >not eating a plant-based diet can cripple you in your 40s
                Only if you're a landwhale eating processed shit and do no physical activity. Please stop pretending that people everywhere are magically getting ill at a young age if they're eating a sensible diet of real foods, it's unbecoming because it's false.
                I said "outliers" as a joke because people who eat meat and are healthy in their later years is absolutely normal so long as they, again for the 50th time, eat real unprocessed foods and stay active. I'm sorry the joke went over your head.
                Adventists are also typically vegetarian and not fully vegan, most adventists still consume dairy and eggs, some do consume fish. You'd be better off looking for a study of the Jains who are actually fully plant-based and who have been around much longer.
                And, why do you choose to follow only studies that suit your bias? Do you truly ignore the thousands of studies that exist that prove that you can be healthy and live long while eating meat daily? Is there something bad about not denying the reality of the fact that for every study claiming meat = death that there are many more claiming the opposite?
                I don't know what to tell you, man. It's a free country, do what you want, but you simply cannot prove that eating quality meats destroys health and that eating vegan guarantees a longer, healthier life. No matter how much you want to have a quasi-religious view of your perceived "correct" diet, reality always comes back to slap it down via all the people who do the opposite of what you believe and who are still kicking it in their 70s, 80s and 90s who seem to defy everything you hold dear.
                I'm out, because we're not going anywhere here, you're just saying the same statements over and over as if they're absolute fact when it's clear they aren't, I'm not going to convince you of anything.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                People everywhere aren't getting magically ill, they're getting ill for well known reason of overt consumption of saturated fat, sugar and salt. And it's not normal at all that people who eat a lot of meat are healthy in their later years. The amount of blood pressure, cholesterol lowering and lipid reducing drugs consumed each year makes it clear. 35 million people eat statins on daily in US while "According to U.S. Census Bureau, there were 40.3M U.S. residents 65 years and older in the 2010 Census and 54.1M in the July 1, 2019, population estimates." Make out of it what you want. Adventist studies are great in that some of them are fully vegan, some are vegetarian, some eat fish, and some eat meat. Four dietary cohorts of otherwise comparable lifestyles. You should look more into those. And I'm not ignoring studies, you are. It is so consistent that eating more meat leads to more disease.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                And a finally: Greger has never said "eating one egg is more harmful to the body than smoking 1000 cigarettes". You keep claiming he has but post no evidence. It makes you look stupid.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Long, large population studies are crucial in establishing the fact.
            Keep in mind, vegans are literally about 1% of the population in first-world nations. And veganism as a "diet of health and ethics" has existed for a very short time. Neither make it applicable to be valid when studied as a long-term diet, nor one over a large population. Which is why I will always be skeptical of its claims.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      FYI, vegans also die of the same shit everyone else does, but they pretend it only happens to apostates or non-vegans.
      As a former 10 year vegan, I watched people I knew in the industry die of cancer, heart attacks, MS complications and more. You know, the sort of things that vegan preachers tell you "can't happen" if you follow a vegan diet. Your genetic coding supersedes all else, you can be a raw food vegan eating only shit you pull from your own garden and get something that will kill you in your 20s, for most people, what will kill you is likely already genetically coded in your DNA and can't be stopped.
      However, for shit like diabetes and heart shit from being a fat fuck eating a garbage diet, sure, going vegan can help make things better, but it sure as shit isn't ever going to make anyone "live forever" or be "disease-proof" because what happens in the real world proves this otherwise.
      Veganism likes to pretend that everyone dies early from eating meat, except how it conveniently ignores the millions of people who are alive and healthy at 75+ years old today who have eaten meat in fair quantity for their entire lives. My folks are almost 90 and meat has been the basis of every meal for them, and they look almost 20 years younger than everyone else their age.
      The secret?
      They stayed active and walked 2+ miles a day until they were 80 and had to slow down. Dad still goes to his cardio class 2x/week and mom still takes care of her house and cleans/cooks all day long and does all her own shopping.
      THAT is what will keep you alive the longest, staying IST and being active as long as possible.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

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  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It is so consistent that eating more meat leads to more disease.
    >Meat IS inherently bad for you
    > were suffering from the consequences of eating a lot of meat and saturated fat
    >Maybe, if you really keep meat consumption really low. Consistency is the key and I don't see a problem in eating lamb on Easter and ham on Christmas, eating a nice burger every now and then. But do it every day and you're begging for trouble.
    >after continuing to eat a diet high in salt and saturated fat since childhood your arteries have narrowed to such extent you need meds to survive
    >plant-based diets help do that by reducing the usual culprits that cripple a man as early as their 40's.
    Lol,
    even lmao
    A words of a certified retard.

    With every day vegan schizos are getting dumber and dumber with their propaganda. Thankfully you all gonna die from malnourishment sooner or later and your fad bourgeoisie pseudo religion is gonna naturally fade away.
    And don't even make me start with the whole "Science is on my side and your are wrong", Jesus Christ moron, ever heard of replication crisis? Probably not because they don't tell you about these thing on television and r/vegan where science is being whored and manipulated in a way to make sub 60 iq mutts like you to feel happy abut themselves and sell them even more oft their shitty grass and tons of supplements which you need on this perfectly balanced and healthy diet! Also don't forget that eating an egg is literally a nazism and meat is only eaten by white supremacist :^).

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