Lmao right is using way more gear. Seems like laid kept his cycles pretty modest. Probably because he was making money of his looks too not just physique
One got the physique eating Doritos and McDonald’s without a routine and the other got it by gymcelling 6x a week and autistically periodizing and meal prepping. Also no alcohol or recreational drugs
don't forget right was meticulously cutting for 4 months? 6 months? to get to that state and was in terrible health and bounced back in body fat really fast while left was "supplementing" and maintained that level of leanness with zero effort
why would you just make that up and assume? (forgive me if you actually know with a source or something)
every handsome guy I've known ate like shit and partied just like everyone else, their genetics are just better
genetics > steroids > diet > exercise
Steroids aren't magic pills. You're not going to take them and look like a bodybuilder on McDonald's. Trust me, I've tried. Hardgainers throw that shit in to get enough calories to grow, people like Laid don't actually base their diets around junk food.
you can get twice the muscle mass from taking steroids and not tranining for a month then being a natty and training for a month
so yeah steroids are magic pills
>Steroids aren't magic pills.
Steroids ARE magic pills, fricking moron.
If you blast enough dosages to kill a horse, you can get ripped like the guy on the right by lifting once a fricking week.
You are clearly talking out of your ass.
I think this is what seals it for me. If you look at someone like alphadestiny for example, he clearly stagnated and has practically the same amount of muscle mass as 5-7 years ago, and has only made slight improvements since then. This is exactly what progression looks like for an advanced lifter.
Whereas GVS continues to put on around a kilogram+ of muscle per year, and looks noticeably bigger than he did only a few years ago. I'm at 7 years lifting now, even lower training age than him, and I dont make anywhere near that kind of progress. >inb4 ur not training hard enough
I do and I'm very knowledgeable about training. Its a fact that you WILL eventually stagnate; yeah maybe you can continue to eek out strength gains but like anon said you dont keep getting bigger into your 9th year of lifting
And believably natty here >training hard
It's a matter of training hard AND bulking. Most people who train hard fall into one of two buckets.
A: Try hard + bulk, never relearn how to cut and go full bloat.
B: Obsess about leanness and panic when the scale goes up by 5 lbs, never add muscle and blame natty status.
It's rare to have someone who can diet, isn't afraid of fat, and tries very hard with good genetics.
You only say that because he's dickskin lean in OP and higher bf in the second pic. I've looked similar with a pump at single digit bodyfat. I'm not talking about that. His continued growth well into his advanced years of training are what is suspicious
Alex has gained notable muscle, WTF are you talking about?
He's gained like 5lbs of muscle total. These two pics are 7 years apart at roughly the same bf% and he looks practically the same. Not a bad thing, because thats what natty muscle gain looks like
GVS benches 225 for 10 reps
The difference in [...]
Is 2kg of muscle and 10kg less of bodyfat
I dont care how much he benches and he is around the same bodyfat in all of those pics.
>He's gained like 5lbs of muscle total. These two pics are 7 years apart at roughly the same bf% and he looks practically the same. Not a bad thing, because thats what natty muscle gain looks like
More like 10lbs. He's clearly at a lower BF in the latter photo yet still looks bigger, especially in the arms, which he admits was a weakpoint for him. He has also been consistently progressing on his lifts so I find it hard to believe he hasn't grown by much in 7 years.
His physique from ~3 years ago implies he wasn't training competently, he admits as much.
I've lifted weights for as long. Most of that time was spent on suboptimal programs or at a point in my life where other things were going on (e.g. can't control diet as well in college, partying ruins sleep, weed destroys gains). When I first hopped on a real program my lifts exploded despite being a "veteran lifter".
Alex is a bad example precisely because he has been training so hard for so long. His formula works, and he hit on it relatively early on.
both roids
i followed right pic on instagram for a while so i know him
he does roid, he just trains very hard on top of it so it seems natty but he's not
hence why he doesn't compete
its a scam to get you to spend money on him, good strategy it probably works
left is afraid to feel his muscles working, while right works harder than all of posters of this board, keep coping that noone is natty, you lack the power to achieve anything in your lives, the time you've spent posting here could've been the time you spent working hard and not b***h whinning like a homosexual
GVS does not have the underlying knowledge of exercise physiology to create a body like that naturally, he has shown this in his videos, which is why I stopped watching him. He used to be ok, but his flaws show.
If he was severely autistic about exercise physiology and really went hard into the intricacies of exercise, I would believe him, but it really looks like he just roids and puts on the fake persona of someone that is just 'working hard'
Most channels that say that most lifters aren't working hard are either people who are absolutely genetically and financially blessed to be able to naturally gain shit tons of muscle, or are just on roids and grifting.
NH is really the only one I trust to be natty, since he's actually autistic about lifting and doesn't have an insanely impressive body, so he represents what the average male is capable of, even with autistic levels of research into exercise.
its less about the exercises and more about the complete obsession with muscle growth and knowledge of how muscles grow and how to get them to grow. You have to go that deep to build an impressive body, or you hire someone that already has that knowledge and spoonfeeds it to you.
this body represents autistic levels of dedication to bodybuilding even while on steroids, while also having the millions of dollars it takes to live a comfortable life without needing to commit to a job for 40 hours a week to survive.
Kyle doesn't know shit. It's very obvious if you listen to the podcast literally all his gains come from getting roids from Derek, he went from DYEL to big in a matter of months.
Anyway this has nothing to do with GVS because he trains like a madman 6 days a week, and is extremely knowledgable about lifting.
which is why I said you hire someone that has the autism to properly train you.
>and is extremely knowledgable about lifting.
no he is not
>he trains like a madman 6 days a week
yes, steroid users are able to train like this and avoid injury, because they have massively increased recovery. Thanks for proving GVS is roiding.
>yes, steroid users are able to train like this and avoid injury, because they have massively increased recovery. Thanks for proving GVS is roiding.
This is cope by Mentzertards who have no idea what their actual limits are because they've never actually tried to go past them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
what an interesting way to argue. We know by mentzer himself and the people he trained that he was able to grow significant amounts of muscle and his training style is proven to work. Not that I'm saying it's superior, with muscle growth there are many ways to skin a cat. I just find it interesting that you use this example as some sort of argument against taking longer recovery breaks. It's like you've never really done any research into exercise physiology and you know very little about it. Such a perplexing way to respond to what I said.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
HIT can work, but it's still based on a bunch of pseudoscience and logical fallacies taken as God-given dogma. They often circuit back to the same old clichés exactly like you did, like claiming anyone training differently is roiding BECAUSE they train differently. It's extremely dumb and people who argue like that, including arguments about how X or Y training methodology is only for roiders, tend to be moronic pencilnecks.
And as for excercise physiology (lol), which is extremely limited in its usefullness, the "science" still more or less agrees that training to failure and more volume is better for hypertrophy. Also, if a roider trained like GVS, he would BREAK HIS TENDONS. If anything, hard training is for natties, because our muscles grow slower, allowing our tendons and ligaments to adapt.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
most people, especially the average person, especially above the age of 25, will benefit more from focusing on recovery rather than frequency and volume. Frequency and volume has been shown to be superior for roiders as they don't run into the recovery issues like normal people do. You will often hear about how muscle grows more than tendon, but this is actually not that accurate, as with roids, especially HGH, you're going to have insane tendon gains as well, much faster than the 1.2-1.5 years it takes to remodel the tendons. Picture is 18 months of tendon remodeling on a drug tested athlete.
Like I said, your knowledge isn't very substantial, which is why you think GVS gives good advice. It's lukewarm stuff that you should be able to learn within a day of research.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
as a Natty I agree with you.
this whole "RAAAR just lift everyday, NO REST! HARD WORK, that means they aren't roiding"
is the most moronic shit I'v seen morons fall for.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop being moronic. This isn't the Rock doing his whole "hard work" shtick. GVS simply has a high work capacity due in part to his background in long-distance running and in part to working up to it over years. Anyone who claims a basic principle of muscle building like high volume or high frequency automatically makes someone into a roider is a certified moron who doesn't know what he's talking about. They'll claim the exact same thing about low volume and low frequency as well. Turns out if you look at how old school lifters from before the Steroid Era trained, it's not that different.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
do you know how fricking pants on head moronic you are?
you start your argument saying that GVS is unique in that he has high work capacity, so he's a unique individual that can work hard, then in the same argument you imply that the only way to work out is by doing high volume and high frequency like there are no exigent circumstances that would cause someone to not be able to lift like that.
Good fricking god, at least think about your replies.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>GVS is unique >he's a unique individual that can work hard >you imply that the only way to work out is by doing high volume and high frequency >there are no exigent circumstances that would cause someone to not be able to lift like that
I said literally none of those things.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>GVS is unique >he's a unique individual that can work hard >you imply that the only way to work out is by doing high volume and high frequency >there are no exigent circumstances that would cause someone to not be able to lift like that
I said literally none of those things.
And I should remind you this whole thing started with you saying that Geoffrey is on steroids because he trains 6 days a week.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
super hard training protocols preached by fake natties are just a convenient way to gaslight you into thinking you're not working hard enough
the thing is, once you're not a noob and have some strength, you simply CAN'T train as hard as they tell you, because you won't recover and eventually run yourself to the ground, this is super common, and yet will be used against you
I can't fricking wrap my head around the fact that NH (who can be genuinely autistic about lifting) still simps to GVS and thinks he's natty.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And Basement Bodybuilding, and Bald Omniman, and Alex Leonidas, and Alec Enkiri, and I could go on. If all the big naturals on the platform think the guy's natty, he, at the very least, could be theoretically and there's nothing strange about his programming at all.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
if one dissented they'd all eat each other up in petty drama, look at how they pilling on that mutt forgot his channel name
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bodybuilding is an art more than it is science. You don't need to be a fricking nerd to get good at it or to know how your body responds to different stimuli.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Following GVS arms advice was the biggest change I've seen in my arms since newbie gains.
Especially the emphasis on heavy overhead work.
Game changer
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>oh you know, lots of chicken, rice, broccoli
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've known people from running programs.
The only difference is that they don't get out of breath as fast.
It does not give them the ability to recover like a roider.
https://i.imgur.com/3oPnlJT.jpeg
as a natty as well as long as I'm getting my 8hours I feel fine lifting everyday. maybe it's a skull issue
>as a natty as well as long as I'm getting my 8hours I feel fine lifting everyday.
the volume and intensity is tiny then.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
tiny no, maybe like 15-20 sets. usually takes me an hour to an hour and a half. I definitely take most or close to failure. everyone is different though
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
as a natty as well as long as I'm getting my 8hours I feel fine lifting everyday. maybe it's a skull issue
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tell me about Trump
why does he do the lean
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him but gvs isn't on hgh lol his face would be so fricked.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah this is what I've been forced to come to terms with. I can't go hard 5-6 days anymore at 27 almost 28 or else I'll get CNS fatigue or a joint will start feeling off. I make better progress lifting 4 days a week now.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>My work capacity sucks
Work at it.
GVS may in all honesty be on steroids, but it's also fair to say that his main lifts are far easier to recover from than BB Back Squat and DL. His videos are him spamming arms and delts (apparently works). His main leg exercise appears to be the smith machine squat. He primarily seems to do lat pulldowns and cable rows for back.
His program is 2x a week with 2x brodays thrown in.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>with roids, especially HGH, you're going to have insane tendon gains as well
clueless moron alert. This particular moron probably doesn't even do steroids, just reads about it on the internet and pretends to be one of the cool kids who actually does steroids, but only while on the internet.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lookup stats on bicep tears.
Virtually unseen in natural lifters, extremely prevalent in roiders. Can you guess why?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
roiders have no concept of recovery, at all. That's why they tear their tendons, it's not exactly that the muscle is growing much more than the tendon, it's that the muscle is able to recover much more quickly, due to the roids, than the tendon. A fully recovered tendon, especially on a roider, is going to be like a steel cable. The only time it tears is when it is already weak from insane volume and frequency.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
HIT can work, but it's still based on a bunch of pseudoscience and logical fallacies taken as God-given dogma. They often circuit back to the same old clichés exactly like you did, like claiming anyone training differently is roiding BECAUSE they train differently. It's extremely dumb and people who argue like that, including arguments about how X or Y training methodology is only for roiders, tend to be moronic pencilnecks.
And as for excercise physiology (lol), which is extremely limited in its usefullness, the "science" still more or less agrees that training to failure and more volume is better for hypertrophy. Also, if a roider trained like GVS, he would BREAK HIS TENDONS. If anything, hard training is for natties, because our muscles grow slower, allowing our tendons and ligaments to adapt.
Where did that HIT strawman come from, nobody even mentioned mentzer and his argument didnt imply that you need to train like that
Why? Just look at natural body building competitions, he’s smaller than all of them. He just looks like he’s on gear when I had a pump. He literally looks dyel in a shirt
I have no idea why you guys think any of these people are big I'm an amateur bodybuilder prepping for my first show and im putting size on. Put my standing beside them. I'm 6'1 10%bf with abs these guys are getting smoked all day everyday. No silly photo tricks, mirror selfies or lights from above.
Bro's don't be fooled Look up Little jeffrey when he's not pumped he looks DYEL, same with laid, Jeff nippard standing beside anyone looks obscene.
stop falling for this fitness scam shit, you're better than that.
>I’m 6ft, 195lbs and 12%bf (DEXA verified) and just look like regular dude.
Impossible at around that BF/height/weight because I have the similar stats (a little heavier and a little leaner) and have been accused of roiding.
Your bones are either tungsten, or your bf is far higher than that.
Right roids his ass off. I don't know why people actually believe he is natty, same with that Alex dwarf. It's like people take whatever NH says as gospel. We know what actual elite natties look like because there are strictly tested natty competitions and they don't look anything like those people.
We have COUNTLESS examples of how natural bodybuilders at the top of their game look from before steroids ever entered the scene, homosexual. Guess what? Most of them mog GVS.
Yeah we do, PRE-WAR dipshit. And none of them look anything like those guys. You even included mr D-bol himself steve reeves in your little list. Do you have the slightest clue about roid history or are you just another teen dipshit?
What an utterly pointless comment. >"this is what natties at the top of their game can accomplish" >"b-but they're genetic outliers!!!!"
Yeah no shit moron. So are most youtubers. Means nothing.
Right is ugly so he must be natty
fpbp. attractive ppl don't think like "this should be hard. I should have to work for this." Of course they blast steroids if they wanna get jacked
There are no natties here.
Lmao right is using way more gear. Seems like laid kept his cycles pretty modest. Probably because he was making money of his looks too not just physique
Geoffrey I-just-work-harder-than-you Schofield
One got the physique eating Doritos and McDonald’s without a routine and the other got it by gymcelling 6x a week and autistically periodizing and meal prepping. Also no alcohol or recreational drugs
don't forget right was meticulously cutting for 4 months? 6 months? to get to that state and was in terrible health and bounced back in body fat really fast while left was "supplementing" and maintained that level of leanness with zero effort
why would you just make that up and assume? (forgive me if you actually know with a source or something)
every handsome guy I've known ate like shit and partied just like everyone else, their genetics are just better
genetics > steroids > diet > exercise
Steroids aren't magic pills. You're not going to take them and look like a bodybuilder on McDonald's. Trust me, I've tried. Hardgainers throw that shit in to get enough calories to grow, people like Laid don't actually base their diets around junk food.
t. ranny
you can get twice the muscle mass from taking steroids and not tranining for a month then being a natty and training for a month
so yeah steroids are magic pills
>Steroids aren't magic pills.
Steroids ARE magic pills, fricking moron.
If you blast enough dosages to kill a horse, you can get ripped like the guy on the right by lifting once a fricking week.
You are clearly talking out of your ass.
right looks like good lighting and a pump, nothing suspicious tbh
imagine getting mogged by a natty lol
>GSV is n-natty guys, I-I swear..
>he just puts on tremendous amount of muscle from 2021 to 2024 in his ninth year of training
DON'T QUESTION IT!
I think this is what seals it for me. If you look at someone like alphadestiny for example, he clearly stagnated and has practically the same amount of muscle mass as 5-7 years ago, and has only made slight improvements since then. This is exactly what progression looks like for an advanced lifter.
Whereas GVS continues to put on around a kilogram+ of muscle per year, and looks noticeably bigger than he did only a few years ago. I'm at 7 years lifting now, even lower training age than him, and I dont make anywhere near that kind of progress.
>inb4 ur not training hard enough
I do and I'm very knowledgeable about training. Its a fact that you WILL eventually stagnate; yeah maybe you can continue to eek out strength gains but like anon said you dont keep getting bigger into your 9th year of lifting
He looks tren'd up in OP
And believably natty here
>training hard
It's a matter of training hard AND bulking. Most people who train hard fall into one of two buckets.
A: Try hard + bulk, never relearn how to cut and go full bloat.
B: Obsess about leanness and panic when the scale goes up by 5 lbs, never add muscle and blame natty status.
It's rare to have someone who can diet, isn't afraid of fat, and tries very hard with good genetics.
You only say that because he's dickskin lean in OP and higher bf in the second pic. I've looked similar with a pump at single digit bodyfat. I'm not talking about that. His continued growth well into his advanced years of training are what is suspicious
He's gained like 5lbs of muscle total. These two pics are 7 years apart at roughly the same bf% and he looks practically the same. Not a bad thing, because thats what natty muscle gain looks like
I dont care how much he benches and he is around the same bodyfat in all of those pics.
>He's gained like 5lbs of muscle total. These two pics are 7 years apart at roughly the same bf% and he looks practically the same. Not a bad thing, because thats what natty muscle gain looks like
More like 10lbs. He's clearly at a lower BF in the latter photo yet still looks bigger, especially in the arms, which he admits was a weakpoint for him. He has also been consistently progressing on his lifts so I find it hard to believe he hasn't grown by much in 7 years.
His physique from ~3 years ago implies he wasn't training competently, he admits as much.
I've lifted weights for as long. Most of that time was spent on suboptimal programs or at a point in my life where other things were going on (e.g. can't control diet as well in college, partying ruins sleep, weed destroys gains). When I first hopped on a real program my lifts exploded despite being a "veteran lifter".
Alex is a bad example precisely because he has been training so hard for so long. His formula works, and he hit on it relatively early on.
Why does he look like an angry psycho on the right? Damn Alex, calm tf down bro
Alex has gained notable muscle, WTF are you talking about?
GVS benches 225 for 10 reps
The difference in
Is 2kg of muscle and 10kg less of bodyfat
tbh this guy is built like a brick wall by default.
the left one is obviously much more fragile and pose/light frauding, but the face makes him way more aesthetic as a whole package
GVS is the best natty out there, and I'm heterosexual btw
doesn't matter natty or not, right is an ugly ape dude, so no one cares.
Turning into an ape is the (rightful) goal of every straight lifter.
>valuing a man purely on his beauty
cringe gynocentrist female brained cuck
found the monke
cuck brain
are you that bap israelite apologist who isn't white?
Right has years and years of slow, well documented progress.
I still can't believe GVS is natty
Left took three years to reach that, right took eight and could only be that lean for like a week.
both roids
i followed right pic on instagram for a while so i know him
he does roid, he just trains very hard on top of it so it seems natty but he's not
hence why he doesn't compete
its a scam to get you to spend money on him, good strategy it probably works
left is afraid to feel his muscles working, while right works harder than all of posters of this board, keep coping that noone is natty, you lack the power to achieve anything in your lives, the time you've spent posting here could've been the time you spent working hard and not b***h whinning like a homosexual
real life is not a cartoon.
>left is afraid to feel his muscles working
At 18 he lifted 3 times the numbers you do.
Need a before photo to say for sure. Guy on the right might have had an already wide base to work with .
everyone thinking GVS is natty, is an unbelievable moron, this is liver king tier bullshit
GVS does not have the underlying knowledge of exercise physiology to create a body like that naturally, he has shown this in his videos, which is why I stopped watching him. He used to be ok, but his flaws show.
If he was severely autistic about exercise physiology and really went hard into the intricacies of exercise, I would believe him, but it really looks like he just roids and puts on the fake persona of someone that is just 'working hard'
Most channels that say that most lifters aren't working hard are either people who are absolutely genetically and financially blessed to be able to naturally gain shit tons of muscle, or are just on roids and grifting.
NH is really the only one I trust to be natty, since he's actually autistic about lifting and doesn't have an insanely impressive body, so he represents what the average male is capable of, even with autistic levels of research into exercise.
>he doesn't do 30 degree one arm bilateral posterior erector illiac pulldowns with cables using cuffs, therefore, he must be frauding
Lol
its less about the exercises and more about the complete obsession with muscle growth and knowledge of how muscles grow and how to get them to grow. You have to go that deep to build an impressive body, or you hire someone that already has that knowledge and spoonfeeds it to you.
this body represents autistic levels of dedication to bodybuilding even while on steroids, while also having the millions of dollars it takes to live a comfortable life without needing to commit to a job for 40 hours a week to survive.
Kyle doesn't know shit. It's very obvious if you listen to the podcast literally all his gains come from getting roids from Derek, he went from DYEL to big in a matter of months.
Anyway this has nothing to do with GVS because he trains like a madman 6 days a week, and is extremely knowledgable about lifting.
which is why I said you hire someone that has the autism to properly train you.
>and is extremely knowledgable about lifting.
no he is not
>he trains like a madman 6 days a week
yes, steroid users are able to train like this and avoid injury, because they have massively increased recovery. Thanks for proving GVS is roiding.
>yes, steroid users are able to train like this and avoid injury, because they have massively increased recovery. Thanks for proving GVS is roiding.
This is cope by Mentzertards who have no idea what their actual limits are because they've never actually tried to go past them.
what an interesting way to argue. We know by mentzer himself and the people he trained that he was able to grow significant amounts of muscle and his training style is proven to work. Not that I'm saying it's superior, with muscle growth there are many ways to skin a cat. I just find it interesting that you use this example as some sort of argument against taking longer recovery breaks. It's like you've never really done any research into exercise physiology and you know very little about it. Such a perplexing way to respond to what I said.
HIT can work, but it's still based on a bunch of pseudoscience and logical fallacies taken as God-given dogma. They often circuit back to the same old clichés exactly like you did, like claiming anyone training differently is roiding BECAUSE they train differently. It's extremely dumb and people who argue like that, including arguments about how X or Y training methodology is only for roiders, tend to be moronic pencilnecks.
And as for excercise physiology (lol), which is extremely limited in its usefullness, the "science" still more or less agrees that training to failure and more volume is better for hypertrophy. Also, if a roider trained like GVS, he would BREAK HIS TENDONS. If anything, hard training is for natties, because our muscles grow slower, allowing our tendons and ligaments to adapt.
most people, especially the average person, especially above the age of 25, will benefit more from focusing on recovery rather than frequency and volume. Frequency and volume has been shown to be superior for roiders as they don't run into the recovery issues like normal people do. You will often hear about how muscle grows more than tendon, but this is actually not that accurate, as with roids, especially HGH, you're going to have insane tendon gains as well, much faster than the 1.2-1.5 years it takes to remodel the tendons. Picture is 18 months of tendon remodeling on a drug tested athlete.
Like I said, your knowledge isn't very substantial, which is why you think GVS gives good advice. It's lukewarm stuff that you should be able to learn within a day of research.
as a Natty I agree with you.
this whole "RAAAR just lift everyday, NO REST! HARD WORK, that means they aren't roiding"
is the most moronic shit I'v seen morons fall for.
Stop being moronic. This isn't the Rock doing his whole "hard work" shtick. GVS simply has a high work capacity due in part to his background in long-distance running and in part to working up to it over years. Anyone who claims a basic principle of muscle building like high volume or high frequency automatically makes someone into a roider is a certified moron who doesn't know what he's talking about. They'll claim the exact same thing about low volume and low frequency as well. Turns out if you look at how old school lifters from before the Steroid Era trained, it's not that different.
do you know how fricking pants on head moronic you are?
you start your argument saying that GVS is unique in that he has high work capacity, so he's a unique individual that can work hard, then in the same argument you imply that the only way to work out is by doing high volume and high frequency like there are no exigent circumstances that would cause someone to not be able to lift like that.
Good fricking god, at least think about your replies.
>GVS is unique
>he's a unique individual that can work hard
>you imply that the only way to work out is by doing high volume and high frequency
>there are no exigent circumstances that would cause someone to not be able to lift like that
I said literally none of those things.
And I should remind you this whole thing started with you saying that Geoffrey is on steroids because he trains 6 days a week.
super hard training protocols preached by fake natties are just a convenient way to gaslight you into thinking you're not working hard enough
the thing is, once you're not a noob and have some strength, you simply CAN'T train as hard as they tell you, because you won't recover and eventually run yourself to the ground, this is super common, and yet will be used against you
I can't fricking wrap my head around the fact that NH (who can be genuinely autistic about lifting) still simps to GVS and thinks he's natty.
And Basement Bodybuilding, and Bald Omniman, and Alex Leonidas, and Alec Enkiri, and I could go on. If all the big naturals on the platform think the guy's natty, he, at the very least, could be theoretically and there's nothing strange about his programming at all.
if one dissented they'd all eat each other up in petty drama, look at how they pilling on that mutt forgot his channel name
Bodybuilding is an art more than it is science. You don't need to be a fricking nerd to get good at it or to know how your body responds to different stimuli.
Following GVS arms advice was the biggest change I've seen in my arms since newbie gains.
Especially the emphasis on heavy overhead work.
Game changer
>oh you know, lots of chicken, rice, broccoli
I've known people from running programs.
The only difference is that they don't get out of breath as fast.
It does not give them the ability to recover like a roider.
>as a natty as well as long as I'm getting my 8hours I feel fine lifting everyday.
the volume and intensity is tiny then.
tiny no, maybe like 15-20 sets. usually takes me an hour to an hour and a half. I definitely take most or close to failure. everyone is different though
as a natty as well as long as I'm getting my 8hours I feel fine lifting everyday. maybe it's a skull issue
Tell me about Trump
why does he do the lean
Not him but gvs isn't on hgh lol his face would be so fricked.
Yeah this is what I've been forced to come to terms with. I can't go hard 5-6 days anymore at 27 almost 28 or else I'll get CNS fatigue or a joint will start feeling off. I make better progress lifting 4 days a week now.
>My work capacity sucks
Work at it.
GVS may in all honesty be on steroids, but it's also fair to say that his main lifts are far easier to recover from than BB Back Squat and DL. His videos are him spamming arms and delts (apparently works). His main leg exercise appears to be the smith machine squat. He primarily seems to do lat pulldowns and cable rows for back.
His program is 2x a week with 2x brodays thrown in.
>with roids, especially HGH, you're going to have insane tendon gains as well
clueless moron alert. This particular moron probably doesn't even do steroids, just reads about it on the internet and pretends to be one of the cool kids who actually does steroids, but only while on the internet.
Lookup stats on bicep tears.
Virtually unseen in natural lifters, extremely prevalent in roiders. Can you guess why?
roiders have no concept of recovery, at all. That's why they tear their tendons, it's not exactly that the muscle is growing much more than the tendon, it's that the muscle is able to recover much more quickly, due to the roids, than the tendon. A fully recovered tendon, especially on a roider, is going to be like a steel cable. The only time it tears is when it is already weak from insane volume and frequency.
Where did that HIT strawman come from, nobody even mentioned mentzer and his argument didnt imply that you need to train like that
autists are allergic to nuance
>Big delts
>No chest
The Derek physique.
GVS is def on roids, i don't buy it for a second he's natty
Why? Just look at natural body building competitions, he’s smaller than all of them. He just looks like he’s on gear when I had a pump. He literally looks dyel in a shirt
These influencer/youtubers have all the reason in the world to hop on mini cycles, their livehood depends on their results, he mogs David laid
>What makes left roided and right natty?
right's lies
Left has a thin neck
Lol’ing at everyone who thinks Geoffrey is on gear.
Right lives in Chinese with easy access to roids
just train harder is the fitness influencer equivalent to chicken broccoli and rice
I have no idea why you guys think any of these people are big I'm an amateur bodybuilder prepping for my first show and im putting size on. Put my standing beside them. I'm 6'1 10%bf with abs these guys are getting smoked all day everyday. No silly photo tricks, mirror selfies or lights from above.
Bro's don't be fooled Look up Little jeffrey when he's not pumped he looks DYEL, same with laid, Jeff nippard standing beside anyone looks obscene.
stop falling for this fitness scam shit, you're better than that.
Most people on roids look like dyels, unless someone is a blatant roid monster you can never really tell.
>What makes right natty?
Your delusion
both are roided moron
right is just mentally ill so his vision of himself is skewed
thats picasso shit
If you think right is natty you are beyond delusional and belong to reddit
Both are roided. Shoulders are a dead giveaway.
You can get capped delts natty
No you can't
Yes you can
Get fricked loser
Proceeds to post a pic of a juicer lol.
if you think this isnt achievable natty you are pathetic
Ok mr delusional lol
lol dyel that never figured out how to get a shoulder pump
prob spends all day hunched over his computer then his widdel showdahs hutt too much...
Thanks for the compliment, I hope you're enjoying your first year of lifting :^)
>tragic skin
>brown
who's a real loser? huh?
you legit look like fricking scooby1961 with that grainy skin
Yes you can, you moronic homosexual. You're equating capped with Death Stars.
David is much taller so he's natty at 190. He's all frame and pump.
imo both are roided
Serious question, are these guys like 5’5”? I’m 6ft, 195lbs and 12%bf (DEXA verified) and just look like regular dude.
dexa scan doesn't mean shit, you are not 12% if you look like a regular dude. Most likely 20% unironically.
>I’m 6ft, 195lbs and 12%bf (DEXA verified) and just look like regular dude.
Impossible at around that BF/height/weight because I have the similar stats (a little heavier and a little leaner) and have been accused of roiding.
Your bones are either tungsten, or your bf is far higher than that.
>What makes left roided and right natty?
The left's use of steroids.
Right roids his ass off. I don't know why people actually believe he is natty, same with that Alex dwarf. It's like people take whatever NH says as gospel. We know what actual elite natties look like because there are strictly tested natty competitions and they don't look anything like those people.
lying to morons on internet is easy, just sell them hopium
We have COUNTLESS examples of how natural bodybuilders at the top of their game look from before steroids ever entered the scene, homosexual. Guess what? Most of them mog GVS.
Yeah we do, PRE-WAR dipshit. And none of them look anything like those guys. You even included mr D-bol himself steve reeves in your little list. Do you have the slightest clue about roid history or are you just another teen dipshit?
>Steve Reeves
>Mr. Universe in 1950
>Dianabol
>invented in 1958
You gotta up your bait game, fggt.
>We have COUNTLESS examples
>posts a list of 20 people
GENETIC OUTLIERS ARE NOT COUNTLESS EXAMPLES
What an utterly pointless comment.
>"this is what natties at the top of their game can accomplish"
>"b-but they're genetic outliers!!!!"
Yeah no shit moron. So are most youtubers. Means nothing.
GVS is not an outlier, he is a peptide fiend
One is red, one isn't. It's like spotting a troony, obvious and embarrassing.