what the frick is vegan whey
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what the fuck is vegan whey
what the frick is vegan whey
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whey produced as fermentation product of genetically modified mushrooms
How can you legally call a mushroom product whey?
because it's whey protein. there is no difference.
"(a) Whey. “Whey” is the fluid obtained by separating the coagulum from milk, cream, and/or skim milk in cheesemaking. The acidity of the whey may be adjusted by the addition of safe and suitable pH adjusting ingredients. Moisture removed from cheese curd as a result of salting may be collected for further processing as whey if the collection of the moisture and the removal of the salt from the moisture are conducted in accordance with procedures approved by the Administrator."
whey is not whey protein
is this somehow hard for you to understand
IST really has the dumbest people on all of IST and it's hilarious
Don’t talk about nutrition here you’ll always be disappointed
I'm always disappointed in this board no matter what. People who have never heard of organic chemistry trying to argue about this shit like fricking morons
there is a social ineptitude in young men right now, having grown up on the internet they refuse to ever be wrong and try to argue anything to a win...its really tiring and just honestly sad. unfathered men are basically women.
Sadly true.
It cannot be whey protein if it does not come from whey. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
>It cannot be whey protein if it does not come from whey.
State why
Because whey protein comes from whey. Unless mushrooms are whey, then the protein that came from them by definition cannot be whey protein.
is synthetic vitamin C not vitamin C?
is potato mash really potato mash if its made from mashed corn?
>hurr durr i can't differentiate between what I see and molecular level
>my big brain analogy will show them!!1!
the problem is lying about the source
can you sell "authentic Japanese sake" which is actually made and imported from canada?
irl theyre the same, the alcohol will have the same structure and all, you see no problem in this?
are we talking about appellations of origins or equality of ingredients now??
because these are complete different issues
if we're talking about origin and you only think about bioidentical (word here used as in medical terminology) whey protein - so whey which is produced from milk -
then true, the one from fungi or bacteria is something different
but if we're talking about equality of ingredient (composition) of the end product then the whey protein from fungi / bacteria will be identical to milk whey protein
because it literally is the same protein molecules
Either way, I'm not drinking the overpriced mushroom slop
yes, as I understood it op is complaining about the concept of vegan whey protein being absurd because whey implies it being made from whey
I think op is right in the context of advertising and selling things to irl people
Its molecularly identical
>adderall users trying to explain how they're not on speed
it could be but without the whey process being involved with cows milk, you are acknowledging that using the word "whey" is purely a marketing scam on your product.
so go ahead and buy scam products i guess
So you fail to have any cogent argument. its whey protein
ok, define the terms of the lawsuit. use legitimate legal terminology
>t. has never opened IST
>The company makes the animal-free whey in a lab using microflora (microscopic plant, bacterial, or fungal life), via a process called precision fermentation — a similar process to what is employed to make beer, kombucha, probiotics, and insulin
it's actually quite a cool process
also because you get exactly! what you want with no byproducts and no waste - so potentially cheaper whey protein in a few years
i'd bet "just" genetically modified bacteria not mushrooms
unless there's already a fungus that does almost what you want, bacteria are so much easier to handle
it's le science inside
>whey is the liquid remaining after milk has been curdled and strained. it is a byproduct of the manufacturing of cheese or casein and has several commercial uses.
>mfw animal-free whey protein
Is this one of those moronic logic loops amerilards apply to argue that pizza is a vegetable?
whey is not whey protein
whey protein is just whey protein. it is one single molecule. if you make the same molecule from another source is it not the same molecule?
explain why not
>pizza as a vegetable
not an official concept, result of broken school system rules and campaigning by grain companies.
Shut up, fatass
Only normal take in this thread but everyone here is too afraid of ((ze bugs)) to understand
frick off you limp-wristed technophile
There is vitamin B in turds. Would you prefer to consume it from that source?
>whey protein is just whey protein. it is one single molecule. if you make the same molecule from another source is it not the same molecule?
The molecule has specific names components, namely
> α-lactalbumin, β-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and immunoglobulins
These are the names of the compounds that whey protein (protein from whey) and mushroom synthesized protein both share.
What makes whey protein distinct from the mushroom synthesis is that it comes from whey. Just like two practically identical scotches are still distinct in both price and category because one comes from Scotland and one comes from Japan. It's really that simple.
>americans discover fermentation in a cow and in a tank are still both fermentation.
It doesn't say "fermented protein" it says whey protein.
>pizza is a vegetable
The way I eat it is.
>t. cauliflower crust veggie pidser enjoyer
Probably from a thing called "precision fermentation".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whey
Not a milk product?
Then its not whey.
>moo less
small boob thread?
https://www.natreve.com/pages/mooless
apparently it's not vegan it's literal biotech. they produce it the same way e. coli produces human insulin
>pay more for the exact same product
>arguably worse ethical implications by supporting biotech than from milking cows
do americans really?
Overpriced bullshit that doesn't compare to the real thing, like all other vegan foods.
>ingredients:
>microplastics
>onions
>pulverized bugs
I HECKIN' LOVE BUGZ WHEY. YUM YUM
If you're buying supplements you're doing it wrong to begin with
I have a sudden lack of respect when they make flavours that are "shortcake" and "cupcake" flavoured
its like insulting, as if they're saying im so fricking fat cupcake and shortcake are instantly things i want to consume, and self-control and respect could not possibly factor into the equation of what i like to eat
this is why i will never ever be the target audience for this shit, I am not delusional
you are, fatty.
>getting defensive and having a mental breakdown over a company making interesting protein flavors
meds
>$24 / 10 servings
>20g protein per serving
>non-animal whey protein isolate as ingredient
>explanation is just genetically modified shrooms that somehow make the same thing
It's a real shame that supplemental fall under a grey area where the FDA gives 0 fricks to verify anything. Shit probably gives you cancer and the prices is absolutely bonkers. $24 f or 200g lmao
They synthesize the molecule for creating whey into mushrooms. Fricking wild shit. I will love my cyberpunk milk.
Mushrooms are so crazy i love em. Ill just keep eating chickens though
>no cow, all science
a lawsuit
What you're not understanding about this frementation thing (if it is actually precision fermentation) is that it IS whey protien. You could put it under a electron microscope, look at the molecules and they would be the same as whey protiens from a different source. That is how they can get away with it.
Also they can make cheese this way, and it is cheese the same you can get from making cheese out of milk.
It is a pretty new and rapidly evolving technology. In fact I'd be surprised if it is precision fermentation because it is so new.
>order whey
>get mushroom goo and an ackshuyally.jpg :nerdemoji:
yeah nah this is lawsuit
My person of color, you don't need to be a scientist to understand that two identical things can come from different sources.
the department of agriculture isn't going to let you nerds frick us over like this
The EU nearly banned using the words "sausage" and "burger" for vegetarian and vegan varients. But they didn't in the end.
it just goes to show... Us vegans will dominate the globe. Even god will fear us!
how is this "fricking you over"? why can't you just not buy the item with the huge "VEGAN" advertising all over it?
Black person, do you realize there's no "whey molecule"? Whey protein is a mixture of different proteins at a specific ratio that exists in milk plasma, if you read the mooless website they say they make GMO bacteria with "DNA corresponding to cow's milk protein" which is total bullshit, as their final product will, sure, have some of the proteins that whey has but not in the exact ratio and certainly not all of them. So it's definitely not whey protein and shouldn't be labeled as such.
it's close enough, "bioidentical". whey protein composition varies between individual cows. should we assign a different terms for whey protein from individual cows? no, that would be pedantic.
>as their final product will, sure, have some of the proteins that whey has but not in the exact ratio and certainly not all of them
Who are you to say this?
What is the standard variability between whey protein from different cows etc?
It still isn't whey protein
>Whey protein is a mixture of different proteins
Explain why this ratio replicated synthetically isnt whey
Because its not replicated synthetically? You just keep saying it is
Yes it is.
> this is what redditors actually believe
I can't tell if the nature of the product is unclear and you guys are being genuine or you're paid dairy industry shills trying to protect the moat.
It's like if I send you a zip file and you extract it, or I send the file directly, it you're still getting the same file. The process differs, yes, but the outcome is the same.
>cries about shills WHILE shilling
My useful idiot doth protest too much? Go back to whatever shithole you came from
It just doesn't seem reasonable to me that you would have grassroots opposition to the same product produced a different way. Precision fermentation isn't even particularly new, and is used for many other medicines and products that probably aren't protested. Fermentation itself is ancient. There are however strong incentives for the dairy industry to astroturf this. Because there industry has side effects which are widely accepted as bad, and being able to do this more cheaply, without those leaves this industry with huge resources that they don't need anymore, and makes it feasible for others to compete.
you can't discuss with dairy shills
too many and too afraid someone might take away their precious estrogen filled, cow tit juice
this is a pedantic argument. whey protein comes from dairy. this shit is not whey protein. it doesn't come from dairy. call it something other than whey protein. it isn't whey protein. check the etymology of whey. the word was invented specifically for dairy processing. if anything, your form of regression should lead not to coopting and obfuscating the word 'whey', but to inventing a new word of which the word 'whey' is, taxonomically, a subset.
but you're too dumb to understand all that.
inb4
>i must defend muh deceptive consumerist marketing
this is just semantics, the people who buy it knows it's vegan and the people who don't also know it's vegan, that's all that matters
it isn't 'just' semantics. it is semantics. a requisite component of understanding language, lol.
What is a woman, anon?
You're just playing with language. You can equally say that whey protein refers to the proteins *found* in whey. And these are the same proteins, encoded by the same gene sequences, produced in a different way. (e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/protein/CAA29664.1)
Taurine is called taurine because it was first isolated from bull semen. Do we refuse to call it that when we find it it meat or red bull? No. (and the red bull taurine is synthetic too)
Whatever name we chose to give this, it still stands that the two names refer to the same thing, produced in different ways. The effects are still the same. You are still you whether you change your name or not.
i'm not playing with language. you are. you can can say whey protein refers to whatever you want. you can say it refers to god's piss. it doesn't change the etymology of whey. a beauty of the evolution of human language is that it's full of all kinds of stupid words referring to dumb shit because morons like yourself don't understand taxonomic hierarchy.
whey is whey. whey protein is derived from whey. the proteins in whey protein have names. vegan whey is not whey, and vegan whey protein is not whey protein. that's why the qualifier 'vegan' exists. if vegan whey were whey, it wouldn't need the qualifier, because it would be, simply, whey. but it's not whey, because whey is sourced from mammals, and vegan whey is not.
Ah. I think I get the point. What you're missing is that we're parsing it as
(Animal free (whey protein))
Rather than
((Animal free whey) protein)
It's kind of funny because this kind of argument doesn't work as well for casein.
>Animal free whey
Has the same problem. And if the answer is
>it comes from animal free milk
It just moves the problem again
what if it was labeled "whey free vegan protein"?
You missed the point entirely. Animal-free whey-protein. Not animal-free-whey protein. It is the proteins found in whey (whey-protein), produced by means other than animals.
Isn't that name a little too broad?
>produced by means other than animals
then it's not whey
>ALL SCIENCE
I FRICKING LOVE SCIENCE
I'm guessing it's legume protein with added leucine.
All this whey back and forth is a linguistic debate, regarding whether whey is an origin (e.g from milk) or a composition (e.g. specific protein characteristics within some tolerance). I'm inclined to support whey as describing the origin (from milk), and I personally would feel misled as a consumer if I bought whey protein from a nonmilk source.
>and I personally would feel misled as a consumer if I bought whey protein from a nonmilk source.
Well you would be a moronic karen who feels the need to be accommodated all the time, because it plainly states on the box that's what it is.
You sound upset, anon. Maybe you should just accept that
>animal-free whey protein
is a nonsequitor. Whey is a specific trade term for milk liquids devoid of curd, and any equally-shaped protein does not automatically become whey.
Yeah I agree with you. Just saying "feeling misled" because you can't read is incredibly homosexual and borderline victim complex behavior.
>No Cow
>All Science
UHAUHAUHAUHAUHAUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>he eats industrial food waste like the cattle he is
The entire industry fronts ego lifting and does not care for your well being.
Eat your food, drink water. Stop buying supplements that are mostly corn starch.
worlds strongest man takes a protein shake, shut up homosexual
From wikipedia:
>The proteins consist of α-lactalbumin, β-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and immunoglobulins.
If it had all these, I would be inclined to agree it's whey protein, but I can't find any details on the mooless website.
Tell Roland I only buy protein that has guaranteed animal suffering.
>no cow, all science
>exact copy of DNA corresponding to cow's milk
Sounds like a cow was abused in the making of this.
Yea, where did they get the milk whey to compare it with? Not a vegan product.
(All) Protein powder is an industrial waste product marketed to morons.
Isnt whey vegan friendly anyway because its produced from the byproduct of cheese manufacturing? So by buying whey there is no increased demand in cheese manufacturing. No need for more cows to be sold into slavery etc.
That's not how veganism works, moron. However, as veganism is also moronic, I will give you a pass.
trust le science chud
Powdered onions probably
Peas?
Don’t see how people can be opposed to this. When this technology scales further you will ultimately have considerably cheaper whey protein isolate, that is of considerably higher purity, and not contaminated with hormones or antibiotics. It will be a cheaper, safer higher quality product, with lower environmental impact, lower land clearing, and with less needless suffering of cows separated from their offspring, offspring put into the veal industry and cows ultimately being executed once they cease to be profitable. I appreciate being concerned about ultra-processed foods, and especially novel foods, but higher purity, molecularly identical versions of foods you were already consuming are a good thing.
Any drug, supplement, human hormone, vitamin, etc. you see "recombinant" in front of was made the same way. Who fricking cares. Only real complaint is the price but all these vegan startups are absolutely moronic with money and they'll be trying to recoup initial costs for months before going out of business.
>vegan startups are absolutely moronic with money
have you look at the vegan protein market in recent times?
pea or soi protein is already cheaper than whey protein
just don't buy these weird vegan lifestyle convenience products
>just like vegan lifters generally just eat meat and dairy and lie about being vegan.
was your brain crushed by a dumbbell or how are you so moronic?
there are plenty of ethical vegan lifters that would not touch meat nor dairy with a 10m pole
no there aren't.
these companies claim to have isolated the genes required for whey production, and magically use them with a type of fungus, which can then be artificially digested (fermented).
the reality is that they just use dairy whey and market it as vegan. just like vegan lifters generally just eat meat and dairy and lie about being vegan.
So the flavours are just strawberry, vanilla and chocolate but named in a stupid way
Has anyone managed to get this in the EU? I doubt it's approved here, but it must be possible to import for personal use, right?
>$40 for 18 servings
op here, I took this while on a trip to homegoods with my mother. she brought me to carry things
so the target audience of this product wouldn't even know they're getting scammed
nice, I can't wait to pay more for diarrhea and stomach cramps
it's homosexualwhey, very trendy nowadays
murder every single vegan
there is no other choice
you need to be exterminated