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What's /fits/ opinion on the carnivore diet?
I gained 40 pounds this year and have been having stomach issues so I decided to try it out.
It's been a week and I feel great and have lost 10 pounds already.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fad diet for retards who can't eat like a healthy normal person.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bro learn to recognize the retarded raids. We're getting raided by veganfags and retards here are trying to counter with carnishit.
      Just ignore both

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you gnomish by chance?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No I'm a blonde ethnic german that eats pork

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Get a life

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The carnivore diet is gnomish controlled opposition. You have piss for brains.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >oy vey if you don't eat the soi you must like sucking gnomish cocks, like mine!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zage

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"Dude, I've lost so much weight since switching to a raw carnivore diet"
        >"The only downside is my butthole is always itchy and sometimes there are undigested noodles in my poop, but I don't eat noodles... "

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post body (you won't)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Seethe

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah its ok I already know you are fat. You posted here before with your hand holding the fork.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post body (you won't)

                And just like that, the prophecy was fulfilled

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you people literal children, how do you eat just one thing type of flavor. Your meals are so one sided and boring. steak is good, but I like it with a baked potato with sour cream and sauerkraut, with sautéed mushrooms and onions in a pan sauce and a side of peas. You food sounds so boring to me, I don’t get why you guys do that to yourself.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They believe what they are doing is right. Delusion can overpower pleasure

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It’s insanely easy, I feel better, don’t need to count calories, every meal is delicious and I don’t miss anything. If your IQ was over 80 you could conceptualize that other people might have priorities or preferences that are different from your own.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You typed all that as if you didn’t read anything I wrote. It doesn’t come down to priorities or preferences, it comes down to shitty palates similar to that of a kid. Almost every major type of cuisine functions off of balance or complementing flavors from one food item with another. Onions in a red wine pan sauce on a steak is perfect example of this. They complement each other perfectly and build complex levels of flavor that could not be achieved on their own. Or using a balsamic glaze over the top of goat cheese sautéed mushrooms and black truffle on a round of a baguette. This is legitimately one of my favorite things to have alongside some fried eggs with a hash made with onions and smoked fish. Your restrictive diet is so lazy and boring. I’m thin, I’ve eaten well my entire life since my parents could cook and so could I. Why forgo the simplest joys of life for literally nothing, it’s not like anyone doing carnivore has achieved anything someone who follows an more normal diet hasn’t. You just don’t make sense to me, your lifestyle is a waste of energy, time, and ultimately removes you from being able to appreciate life.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m happy doing less. I don’t make sense to you because you might be either low IQ or autistic. I had issues with portion control and couldn’t stand calorie counting on a standard diet. Complicated food is important to your life? Cool, do that. You don’t have health issues with a varied diet? Cool, do your thing. You seem like a pretentious gay, but at least you’re owning it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are a lazy gay who always goes with path of least resistance it seems. Nothing I typed was hard to make. You are choosing to make your life worse because of laziness and I just don’t understand it.

                [...]

                All the foods I said were low in sugar if having any at all, just good complements to simple dishes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You said my diet was a waste of energy, now you’re saying I’m lazy. Which is it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are wasting energy and time following a stupid overly restrictive diet because you are too lazy to address the core problems that you are already aware of which is portion control. Calorie counting is only necessary for the beginning too, once you know general calorie content in items you can usually accurately estimate how much you are getting in a meal. Usually being lazy results in having to do more work and wasting more energy. If you just learned how to cook, control your portions, and had a general understanding of calorie content in food, you could be thin and actually enjoy your life, and not have to obsess over a boring overly restrictive diet that you will most likely fail on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your focusing on flavour while we focus on health. That's why you can't understand, we have different principles.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Health > taste buds

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        do you fucking eat that?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Normal people are far from healthy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Notice how I wrote healthy normal person

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >healthy normal person
          Doesn’t exist

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post foreskin

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not a fad has been used for centuries at least to improve health and performance and possibly the one most consistent with our evolutionary history

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most people historically ate mostly vegetables and carbs because meat was expensive.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Victim of American public schooling? Think about what you typed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is why the transition from hunter-gatherer to agricultural serf shaved an entire foot off average human height for a while

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The gather part of hunter gatherer implies lots of vegetables and some fruits, which carnivore doesn't have.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True, but the important part is that they ate plenty of meat and offal, which grain plebs did not.

            Protein + produce is generally the ideal diet.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Protein + produce is generally the ideal diet.
              I would agree there. I just find it stupid when people avoid vegetables.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hunters existed before fishermen. The ancestors to humans would crack skulls open and eat their brains to get the nutrients that only algae-eating fish could bring them otherwise.
            Unfortunately, there doesn't exist a single plant-only nutrient, let alone a plant higher in a nutrient that a human would need elsewise on a carnivore diet, especially since carnivores don't have cravings for goyslop like the average modern soiboy.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >especially since carnivores don't have cravings for goyslop like the average modern soiboy.
              I can maybe verify this. I've been on 90% meat/eggs/cheese for the last 60 days and I don't even want cookies or pancakes or fast food. Before, it was a matter of willpower or distraction. Now, if you dropped a pack of Grasshopper cookies on my desk in front of me, I'd get mad at you and throw them out because it sounds only mildly appetizing and very unhealthy.

              Kinda cool how the diet affects the cravings. It seems to get its own momentum in that manner.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dairy is a product of the agricultural revolution and not technically carnivore. Mental gymnastics of carnibros

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yet cheese was made eons before the agricultural revolution, curious. Also babies drink milk

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd call my diet meat-heavy, not carnivore. My ancestors didn't pass up a berry patch, mushrooms, nuts, edible plants, or a stomach full of pre-digested greens. I share your concern about dairy, though I wonder if a large part of homo sapiens' 200,000 years might have been spent nomadically dragging cattle around. Why not? I'm evolved to digest it and other humans are not, so I consider this natural.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fermented dairy closely mimics human breast milk, which humans are well designed to consume

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most people historically ate mostly vegetables and carbs because meat was expensive.
        lol wtf this has never been the case. medieval peasants ate a shit ton of meat—more than the average American today.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nta, but that is untrue, medieval peasant ate a good amount of meat but not more than what Americans eat. It varied a lot by where you lived, but most usually had around 2-3lbs of varying meats from pork to fish over a week, which factors to about between 1/4-1/2lbs of meat a day, less than the 3/4lb of meat Americans have on average per day

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In no way has a carnivore diet been used for anything for centuries

      What the fuck are you talking about

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's more like millennia, or eons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Humans have eaten paleo diets for millenia, but there is no hunter gatherer tribe in existence that avoids plants for no reason.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have no proof of your claims, yet stable isotopes have proven that mankind has stayed on top of the food chain, eating every creature below him to sustain himself.
            There is 0, not a single shred, of evidence that mankind ate plants in the paleolithic era.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Humans have a colon with gut bacteria for digesting plant matter, molars, salivary amylase, and are evolved from plant heavy omnivores. There are plants consumed today in every culture in the world, indisputably, including foraged plants.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Humans have a colon with gut bacteria for digesting plant matter
                no we literally poop out fiber lol. you're thinking of gorillas.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5666883/
                Humans can ferment dietary fiber into short chain fatty acids in their colon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why people deny that fiber is optimal for best health is beyond me.
                Literally, every study shows that cultures that eat more fiber have MUCH lower incidences of various cancers and other diseases. But, I guess some people want to make retarded stands now when they're 20 so they can have shit go wrong when they're 50+ because they're too retarded to eat some fucking vegetables. Oh well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this
                I can't handle eating most fruit or beans, but when I eat some fiber from vegetables or even whole grains my digestion and stool are perfect and I stop getting muscle cramps

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And here is an article citing numerous examples of evidence that mankind ate plants in the paleolithic era.
              https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-981-15-3354-9_15

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Paleolithic era ends: ~10,000 BCE

                >he first is an ancestral Pueblo Mummy from Utah, USA. The remains are of a child. Radiology shows that the individual experienced several periods of growth arrest. The foods provided to the child for several days before death consisted of wild grass. This species of grass has a low nutritional content, especially related to the energy expended to collect the seeds. However, it is available at times when there is a limited variety of foods available. Therefore, the diet can be interpreted as famine diet.
                buried roughly 750 years ago

                > second mummy from the Lower Pecos Canyonlands on the Texas/Coahuila border shows foods collected for an incapacitated individual.
                >The most noteworthy foods provided were derived from harvesting insects
                Sometime between 1,000 and 1,400 years ago

                >The final case is of a mummified child from southern Arizona. Two separate coprolites show a reliance on a diversity of desert foods. These included mesquite pods, cactus fruits, cactus pads, and traces of other foods.
                buried between 500 and 1,000 years ago

                So people after the paleolithic era only ate plants in the worst possible times of struggle and famine... wowee.
                Fucking retard, have a nice day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fine, here's a paper discussing paleolithic diet.
                https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.111155298
                https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4020-9699-0_20
                Are these the papers you are citing saying that there is no stable isotope evidence of plant consumption? The papers discuss themselves that there is evidence of plant consumption, but it is difficult to separate proportions of plant and animal consumption, since the stable isotopes mainly tell you whether the diet featured high tropic levels (consumption of carnivores) vs low tropic levels (consumption of plants and herbivores).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop shitposting. You're not even reading the papers you're posting. It's brutally clear at this point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm literally posting excerpts from the papers which support my claims.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing wrong with meat but at that point might as well throw in low whole carbs if you're that scared of carbs.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is objectively more nutrient dense than eating only plants, it has been used for thousands of years to relative success in those societies, eating more meat is allegedly correlated to longer life and less broken bones, etc. I started carnivore last January. It was great. Solved a few problems I had with eating a lot of carbs at lunch and getting super lethargic (I only ate twice a day). Didn’t do it do for weight loss so I can’t comment on that. Now my diet consists of beef, lamb, salmon, butter, limited pork/chicken, eggs, liver/heart, raw cow or goats milk, and recently have added kefir, yogurt, sauerkraut, also sourdough once weekly.

    I have not had any issues with carnivore, other than the first two weeks having diarrhea and noticing that I can never eat out because even if I eat some Goyslop it doesn’t fill me up at all compared to a pound of beef (that has saved me money and is not a bad thing but thought I’d mention)

    My advice would be to try it because you likely won’t hate it, then add in other foods as you hit goals and whatnot in the future.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sauerkraut, also sourdough
      That's not carnivore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes carnivores eat the predigested fermented vegetables in the stomach of the pret

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay. Animal-based then. Either way, I’ve had no real problems with the diet.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore is obviously the most based diet. It's the exact diet globohomo doesn't want you to eat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why does he look an even more autistic Homelander.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds dumb. Fruits and veg make me feel good and give me good shits. Just do paleo.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it probably does work for weight loss and as an elimination diet. But they don't really know the long-term effects of eating like this. Also from what I see of people doing this, if they try to reintroduce other foods they get really bad symptoms. I would try it because I mostly eat meat anyways but I don't want to be all fucked up for a week because I ate some potatoes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But they don't really know the long-term effects of eating like this
      we dont know the long term effects of any diet. there are no 20 year RCTs of any diet

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're going down a bad rabbit hole.
    2 years from now you'll be posting on Ray Peat Forum about estrogen dominance and your underarm temperature being 35 degrees in the morning.
    Eat lean meat, drink low far milk, eat lots of fruit and keep the damn fat intake low if you want to lose weight dummy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >keep the damn fat intake low if you want to lose weight
      low fat diet causes dyslipidemia and heart disease

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See you on RPF in 2 years then

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >low fat diet causes dyslipidemia and heart disease
        show me one cardiological clinical study who says this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16467234/
          26% increased rate of CHD from a heart healthy low fat diet

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Trends toward greater reductions in CHD risk were observed in those with lower intakes of saturated fat or trans fat or higher intakes of vegetables/fruits.
            LOL your own study BTFOs you, thanks for the study i'll add it to my saturated fat is bad folder
            Also the conclusion never says a low fat diet increases chd
            And one final thing
            >postmenopausal women aged 50 to 79 years
            lol lmao

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you didnt read the paper. the people with heart disease died more. low fat diet is not heart healthy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This. Fat is like oil for your body. The less you have, the harder your body has to work.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I like short concise explanations.

                >Fat is like oil for your body. The less you have, the harder your body has to work.

                Seems legit. I mean, aren't cholesterol patients prescribed a low-cholesterol diet? Then they have to come back to the doc and keep being on pills and doing stuff to *keep* working on their cholesterol?

                Instead, just give the body a bit of cholesterol, and it won't have to overcompensate by making so much itself. Sounds pretty good to me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you didnt read the paper
                No, YOU didn't read the paper, the results literally says those who ate the less saturated fat and more vegetables fruits had the less chd
                And the conclusion never says that low fat diets are not heart healthy or that they died more because of low fat, you just annihilated yourself posting this study

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you only read the conclusion. they observed "trends" that were not statistically significant which is why they say
                >a dietary intervention that reduced total fat intake and increased intakes of vegetables, fruits, and grains did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD
                meanwhile the ones who had pre existing CVD had more events
                >The HR for the 3.4% of women with CVD at baseline was 1.26 (95% CI, 1.03-1.54).
                the only significant finding of the largest nutrition trial of all time is that low fat diets cause more heart disease

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him and completely out of context. Do any other anons completely fill with rage whenever a homosexual posts
          >Aaaah stooooody.
          >Le stooody, post.
          Not only can you not read the studies due to lacking backgrounds, most of them are absolute horseshit non-replicable biased (due to funding) trash.

          Just because you find a paper saying
          >Onions increases test by 30%
          doesn't mean it isn't horseshit. Fucking dogmatic vegans vs carnivores itt are cringe. But fuck vegans more, since they're promoting Klaus' wet dream and raw carnivore promotes good meat consumption.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don’t lose weight because you reduce fat in your meals. You lose weight because you expend more energy than you consume for an extended amount of time. Also, eating extremely low fat diets are detrimental to your endocrine system.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are retarded.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >damn fat intake low if you want to lose weight dummy
      That doesn't make any sense anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fat is the most calorie dense of the macros and isn't as satiating as protein. Straight from Arnold's bodybuilding Bible, lower fat if you're on a cut.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heed this warning anons. Seriously seems like 80% of people ending up at RPF did a couple years of keto/carnivore/lowcarb. Feels good at first though, thats why they continue to push through.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10 pounds in a week?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is such a garbage diet that all the evidence there is for it is anecdotes and opinions from youtubers and all the "mds" who support it are either chiropractors, had their licenses removed or come from fringe fields

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >amerifats and uk cucks not eating some of the tastiest shit on earth because they can't cook.
    for me its tuscan kale and tomatoes.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    definitely if you're having stomach issues also, are you actually doing carnivore or just chicken breast and steaks and drowning them in salt? unpasteurized dairy or large amounts of animal fat can also help make gains if that is an issue as it was for me for awhile. expect some diahhrea at first too. i had 2 bouts within the first 2 months but it is just bacteria changing in the gut. definitely dont take antibiotics for itsince you will feel worse. i can eat carrion now and its nice

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty much just playing it by ear and eating whatever I want as long as its meat.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thats fine i suppose though cooked or uncooked? it makes a large difference so does organic and non organic offal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Theres a local butcher near me so I'm trying to eat as organic as possible. And I cook my food I'm not a caveman

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if you cook exclusively its important to get water soluable vitamins from other sources like unpasteurized dairy and fruit or berries whenever possible. also cooked offal taste and smell like shit. personally i do not cook food

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The science behind it is too advanced for those who don't understand the history of the calorie counting pseudoscience.

    For those calorie counters, I implore you to sit down for 2 hours and listen to this series of lectures:

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is one of the best lectures I've seen. Sadly it's so clever that even many doctors don't get it. It must be frustrating for Gary to explain himself so clearly and have doctors ask dumb questions which clearly shows they don't understand.

      He even mentions something about
      >it's amazing how many people you explain a tautology to and they don't understand
      in one of his lectures. I'm not sure if it's that one.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, calories-in, calories-out is the tautology he has to fight all the time, so this is that lecture. I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone on here in enjoying these kinds of lectures.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've watched thousands of hours of lectures on nutrition. Mostly keto and carnivore conferences but I've checked out vegan conferences too because I'm open-minded.

          I really like:
          >Georgia Ede

          >Michael Eades

          >Benjamin Bikman

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCJS2m92KwI
          >Paul Mason
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUO4P9ADI0
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjQZCCiV6iA
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNz2gWqL0Ng
          >Amber O'Hearn (maybe my favourite, here's a whole playlist "Amber O'Hearn's favourites of her talks", 14 videos)
          https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPCvkvY4xYYNEBjeNiW4lZu16rLJbOMtS

          There's a ton of good presentations but some people are one-trick ponies. I love these people the best. I also really like Gary Taubes but I feel like his presentations are all addressing the same thing from different angles because people can't quite figure out why "energy balance" is meaningless.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks for the material! I'm going to listen to all of these tonight.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've also watched some vegan lectures and I was consistently disappointed how little reliable data they were using as reference material. What happens when "trust the science" goes too far, they can't discern between facts and falsehoods!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I watched one where a woman claimed to debunk the stable isotope analysis showing humans were extremely carnivorous. Her rebuttal to the evidence was to basically say (not verbatim)
              >look these mammoths had anomalous results, what's with that?
              >haha ignore the stable isotope stuff
              but when I googled it there's a simple explanation (they eat lichen or something? I forget) and the analysis for all animals including humans is still considered reliable and correct. She just throws out a random fact and tries to mislead people into ignoring very reliable science. It came across as super scummy and dishonest.

              I always am reminded that vegans lie to save animals. They are willing to say anything even if it is trickery.

              Although I have to admit some of them like Joel Kahn surprised me recently during the pseudopandemic with their integrity. Made me think some aren't totally dishonest and are just misguided.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >vegans lie to save animals
                ironically, less animals are killed on a natural and sustainable carnivore diet than any diet relying on plants. in theory i can eat just 1 cow for a year or go vegan and contribute to the deaths of countless animals through the support of modern agriculture, pesticides, herbicides, deforestation, etc

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >retard doesn't understand trophic scales

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paul Mason is brilliant, others okay too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you know a channel is complete trash when you have videos of chiropractors talking about health

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you even know what a conference is? You don't have to believe everything you hear if you don't want to.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is one of the best lectures I've seen. Sadly it's so clever that even many doctors don't get it. It must be frustrating for Gary to explain himself so clearly and have doctors ask dumb questions which clearly shows they don't understand.

      He even mentions something about
      >it's amazing how many people you explain a tautology to and they don't understand
      in one of his lectures. I'm not sure if it's that one.

      Yeah, calories-in, calories-out is the tautology he has to fight all the time, so this is that lecture. I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone on here in enjoying these kinds of lectures.

      Okay, so what is this guy saying? What's the too long didn't watch? I thought he was agreeing with me by saying that anything *more* than CICO is bad, but then I read better, and it turns out he's against it?

      >CICO is the tautology he has to fight all the time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CICO is an inversion of reality. You don't get fat because your body has an 'energy imbalance', you have an 'energy imbalace' because your fat tissue is in a growth state.

        https://i.imgur.com/YTvbqIO.png

        idk nutritionists don't really like it and they seem pretty well-adjusted.

        Kek.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You don't get fat because your body has an 'energy imbalance', you have an 'energy imbalace' because your fat tissue is in a growth state.

          Right. Which is because your body is trying to increase the 'amount' of fat in your body, right? So if you eat more than you need, the body goes into that state, while if you eat less, it goes into 'diminishing mode'. If you eat so little that there's no point in taking from reserves or it's dangerous to spend from there (i.e. takingfrom it would have no benefit and just deplete it) the body goes into a starvation mode by conserving everything.

          Am I missing something? How can fat be in a growth state? Isn't fat inactive tissue?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if you eat more than you need, the body goes into that state
            No.

            When a teenager grows in height is it because they ate extra food? Or are they eating extra food because they are growing?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When a teenager grows in height is because their body is telling all the tissues to get bigger and grow. That needs food, so they eat.

              But that's not a fair comparison. Teenage growth is puberty. We're talking about getting fat or losing weight. So, you're telling me fat tissue can get into a growth state by itself and then requires more food? Where does that growth state come from?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think I understand.

                If your fat cells are in a growth state, they will demand more fat, and if you put it there, that's what's making you fat. It's not:

                >Be in equilibrium
                >Eat more than you need
                >That excess gets stored.

                It's
                >???
                >Fat cells are in a growth state
                >You give them fat or your body basically puts fat there
                >You get fatter.

                Okay. So how about the other way.
                >??
                >Your body is in a 'shrinking' state: the energy the organs need isn't totally there.
                >Fat in fat cells get employed, i.e. the fat cells are in a 'giving' state.
                >The fat is taken away
                >You get leaner.

                How is that not just the same thing as CICO? You're eating more than you need, the body notices the extra resources, puts the fat in growth state, now it can suck up the fat. You get fatter.

                It's the same thing from a different perspective. CICO is saying that you have an energy need and eating more or less makes you respectively get or lose fat. What the dude is saying that a fat cell has a state, and depending on what that is you can remove or add fat into the cells which is what makes you fatter or leaner.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Minnesota Starvation Experiment.
                CICO with excessive carbs instead ate the muscle. That is not safe fasting(ketosis)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The body can't burn fat for energy if you eat carbs. Check this paper. It has been known for a long time that hormones control your metabolism and hunger. That's what controls weight.

                https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/1/5/343/4786830

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gary Taubes
      his meme diet was proven wrong by his own studies

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why are you cutting off the rest of the conclusion, they do say in the end there was modest effect regardless and not an increase of chd like you are lying about
    > and achieved only modest effects on CVD risk factors
    >meanwhile the ones who had pre existing CVD
    Wow no shit they already had heart disease unlike the rest lmao, like comparing people who already has tumors to someone who doesn't yet lmao
    >low fat diets cause more heart disease
    Nowhere in the paper they say that, all they say is they did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, it does however say in the results that more consumption of saturated fat does increases your risk of chd
    This is their only actual end conclusion, they never say anything about causality whatsoever, you are just putting made up shit into someone else's study
    >suggesting that more focused diet and lifestyle interventions may be needed to improve risk factors and reduce CVD risk.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only one statistically significant result
      >>The HR for the 3.4% of women with CVD at baseline was 1.26 (95% CI, 1.03-1.54).
      low fat diet more heart disease

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More saturated fat more heart disease, I bet your keto youtuber ignored that sentence of the results
        >low fat diet more heart disease
        Oh I see you conceded already and you aren't saying "cause" anymore. I accept your concession

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the low fat diet caused more heart disease

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >caused
            fucking retard lmfao

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              RCTs are used to demonstrate cause and effect relationships. that was an RCT

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the saturated fat caused more heart disease, the study itself says it, retard

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >10 pounds in a week
    There are 3500 calories in a pound. You didn't lose 35000 calories in a single week anon. A big amount of that is water, gut bacteria and other stuff.
    In any case you should at least eat some vegetables.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I did it for 3 months, dropped 10kg and started shitting solid again. My eyesight also improved. I never got over the carb cravings though and stopped for 3 months. Started back on it 3 days ago and am getting the carb cravings again.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's /fits/ opinion on the carnivore diet?
    it's as retarded as the vegan diet, we are omnivores, how hard is that to understand, our bodies were tuned to eating a variety of foods, if we don't we get sick... why would your saliva have amylase if we weren't meant to eat starch... why would we have canines if we weren't meant to eat meat, this veganism and carnivore shit is just fad diets, why would an healthy human being lose 10 pounds in a week? because the diet is literally killing you fucking retards, once you exhaust the vitamins and minerals in you stores you will get sick like a vegan does....

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will stop being carnivore forever if you can tell me any nutrient vital for living a full and healthy life that the carnivore diet cannot provide.

      Protip: you can't

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fiber and antioxidants

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Humans aren't ruminants and can't digest fiber.
          Meat contains antioxidants

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vitamin E
        Vitamin C

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          vitamin K1 too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jordan Peterson says meat diet is the best so I'm all for it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends where you come from if you're Nordic or from the north your ancestors mostly ate meat. The Eskimos have to eat seal blubbler to not die. You need a high fat diet if you aren't eating plants.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >man loses water weight
    NO FUCKING WAY. FUCK THE HECKIN' PLANTS

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you can't get high quality eggs and grass fed and finished beef I would be a little hesitant. I'd rather just eat some rice and chicken spend that extra money on roids.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been on it for 6 months

    First 3 I got fat because I listened to the retarded grifters pushing unlimited eating

    Now I'm back to normal (200lbs, 10% bodyfat) and eat 1.5 to 2lb steak a day and nothing else

    It's a great diet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did you suddenly cut back or did your portions gradually decrease?
      Many long-time carnivores report weight gain at the start.
      The way to combat this is by only doing one meal a day, or as few meals as possible.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weight gain happens because they overeat at first

        I cut back after putting on 25lbs in a couple of months and realizing I was becoming fat as fuck

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is absolutely no benefit to over-indulging in processed carbs. It's garbage nutrition, usually with the fiber and nutrients stripped out during processing. You don't have to adhere to some kind of specific meme diet. Just cutting out added sugars and "refined" grains is enough to be healthy and trim fat. There is really no argument against this. No one ever suffered ill effects from not eating enough Froot Loops and Pepsi.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can talk all the shit you want but let's tone down the Pepsi bashing, please.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My apologies. I'll reflect on my behavior and strive to be better in the future.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've only seen guys like Shawn Baker recommend eating as much as you want as a way to help cutting yourself off from other foods. I other words, stuff so much steak into your mouth that you won't want to eat cake. Then over time you dial things in as you build better habits.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's easy to forget (or never be taught) that protein in large enough volumes can cause a big enough insulin response to hamper ketosis. Most experts call it a high fat, moderate protein, low to no carb diet for this reason. You should be getting the majority of your caloric intake from fats.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i know a guy who had impacted feces surgically removed because of ketardation. Dumb fucks talk shit about insulin like it doesnt have 200 functions, act like myocellular lipids dont build up in your cells and fuck you with worse insulin problems than if you just ate potatoes, along with classically ketarded hair loss and chronically high cortisol, low t..its a train wreck.

      Your average ameriflap eats such an astonishingly awful diet that just eating meat for two weeks makes them feel slightly normal for the first time and they flap themselves into a frenzy.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Red meat is my main nutrient but not all I eat, it's stupid to think you should only eat meat, a little carbs to feed gut bacteria and fiber for gut motility is normal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a little carbs to feed gut bacteria and fiber for gut motility is normal.
      No.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Changed my life. Leaner, no hunger or cravings, more muscle mass. No more arthritis, kidney stones, hemorrhoids, constant gas. I tried like 5 times over a year to add foods, and every time felt shittier.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idk nutritionists don't really like it and they seem pretty well-adjusted.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's kind of a meme. No diet of "eat this and it's better than every other diet" is true. CICO rules over all, so the diet you can STICK TO is the one that's best for you.
    Just make sure you're keeping protein high at 0.8-1g per lb. of bodyweight and you'll be fine so long as you keep calories in check.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do you feel has made the biggest difference? Is it the simplicity of it? Is it a lack of enjoyment regarding food? Is it that you’re full for longer?
    I’ve all but eradicated carbs in my diet, and I feel great too. What makes it easy is the simplicity, I feel.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only DYELs will tell you not to eat carbs. You need carbs for your workouts. I eat a shit ton of meat but I eat fruit, honey, milk before working out. Just don’t eat goyslop

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better tell all of the keto athletes that mog you while you slurp on sugary goyslop.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all the keto atheletes who mog
        They don't exist. The only "keto athletes" are skinnyfat DYELS who started lifting within 6 months and spend their time on IST preaching a meme diet that doesn't work well.
        Again, post your fat body, anon. We'd love to see it.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I gained 40 pounds this year
    PUT
    DOWN
    THE
    FORK
    FATASS

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there are no long-lived populations that eat just meat, its a meme and you are gambling with your life. Mankind lived on potatoes primarily for the last 50,000 years, then you watched a youtube video.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is impossible to live off of potatoes alone. How many famines must we go through before you realize this?

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    been on the carnivore diet for about 6 months now.

    >skin issues gone
    >gi issues gone
    >vo2 max is MUCH higher

    i dont see the issue.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've watched like 20 Sv3rige ex-vegan interviews and one of the most consistent themes is that veganism is glorious for the first 6-18 months, due to the body eating through its nutrient stores. I'm not very skeptical of the carnivore diet but I'd encourage you to stay at least somewhat on guard as you progress, in case something like this might happen with exclusive meat eating (never heard of it though).

      i know a guy who had impacted feces surgically removed because of ketardation. Dumb fucks talk shit about insulin like it doesnt have 200 functions, act like myocellular lipids dont build up in your cells and fuck you with worse insulin problems than if you just ate potatoes, along with classically ketarded hair loss and chronically high cortisol, low t..its a train wreck.

      Your average ameriflap eats such an astonishingly awful diet that just eating meat for two weeks makes them feel slightly normal for the first time and they flap themselves into a frenzy.

      This is a good point. Anytime anybody takes up a stringent diet bereft of the absolute filth that we're used to consuming, we feel better but who knows if we've actually optimized.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sorry...i should have mentioned i don't eat ONLY meat. i should have said animal-based diet.

        >meat
        >fruit
        >honey
        >grassfed butter for cooking
        >raw milk
        >raw cheese
        >grassfed whole milk yogurt

        occasional raw unfiltered maple syrup

        outside of that i dont eat plants. when i do i have really bad GI issues. gas, bloating, indigestion. also, if i eat any root veggies, i have eczema outbreaks. if i eat any legumes, my stomach hurts for like 4 hours.

        >picrel

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Good shit, Iron Man. Do you recall what sent you toward animal-based? I had multiple nudges from Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, and Sv3rige who I used to watch just for the joy of him eating raw meat at vegan conventions. Definitely no encouragement from friends, family, doctors, neighbors, community, or anybody else that I know IRL. Which is weird because this is a better way of living. Seems that it would be spreading through word of mouth. I'll do what I can. Today I got my niece to eat 12 ounces of steak and she loved it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yea...I had a really hard time figuring out why I felt like shit constantly. I had an issue with hemorrhoids too...I eliminated everything and started from scratch and this is where I ended up

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Good decisions and effort led to great results. You look fit as can be.
              So far with going animal-based for ~60 days I've only noticed a slight bit more muscle volume. Advantages have been more in mood and motivation. An anon called me a gay the other day and it didn't even hurt.

              the saturated fat caused more heart disease, the study itself says it, retard

              >~~*studies*~~
              If a study or collection of studies tell you to do something unnatural then you should question the motives of the people who provided that information.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you MOG 99% of the guys on this site. fuck them also, referencing

                the saturated fat caused more heart disease, the study itself says it, retard

                you're wrong. palmitic and stearic long fats are the healthiest fats you can have. take the advice your high school counselor told you and throw it in the trash.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no issue. There's this concept going around that dieting isn't about the components of the food impacting your body, but they total energy, despite the energy absorption of the food not being exact and the poor general advice of saying "a calorie is a calorie" indicating to some to just eat spoonfuls of sugar until they reach a carefully and autistically measured amount of poison. If you're eating carnivore correctly, you'll be eating a high fat diet and never feel the need to overeat. If you jump into CICO with no other information, or worse, bad information, you'll spend your days posting on IST and call carnivore "keto" despite carnivore being a dietary restriction option and ketosis being an insulin-dependent state of metabolism.
      I'm so tired of the seventh day adventists

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I gained 40 pounds this year and
    WE'RE NOT EVEN THREE WEEKS IN!!!

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're not actually eating that, are you? You're just feeding it to your dog, I hope? Anon???

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    vegans and carnivores are some of the most retarded people on earth. proof is in this thread

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      post yourself and diet

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are kidney stones an issue with this diet?
    I drink 2L of water a day, usually. I assume that should be enough?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are insane. Drink when you’re thirsty.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If my piss isn't clear I'm dehydrated

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Retard

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The smart thing to do is eat meat until you hit your daily protein needs, then eat a large amount of veggies that don't give you gastric distress (many people have fucked up digestion from being raised on horrible diets), then eat carbs or excess fats to replace any calories you still have a deficit in.

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