Whats cringier, being a vegan or following a carnivore diet?

What’s cringier, being a vegan or following a carnivore diet?

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    having either of those terms in your lexicon

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based fpbp
      /thread
      Everyone else In this thread is retarded

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What’s cringier
    fruitarian, simple as. Both carnitards and vegancucks are mentally ill but fruitarians are on a whole other level

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm gonna eat twice as much fruit today

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    both are equally cringe

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore grifters lie and deceive people with the explicit purpose of making money. The only notable people on carnivore diet are the ones selling it and even that is unverified are they actually doing it themselves!

    Vegans are perfectly in line with nutrition research and the most outspoken vegans have income other than selling a diet.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >mcdonalds
      >kfc
      >burger king
      >dominos
      all outspoken vegans
      none have ever publicly uttered the word "carnivore"

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        how could i forget about mcdonalds? the biggest vegan activist

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Way to attempt to distract from uncomfortable facts with random nonsense. Anyways.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      All the carnivore grifters eat fruit.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of words to simply say that you're a vegan cuck
      I'm no carnivore but to actively believe veganism is somehow healthy is retarded and makebelieve

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The minerals, vitamins and oils that the animals people eat aren't magically generated in them, the animals get them from plants.

        Eating veg in and of itself is not unhealthy. Eating meat is, because of the fat and carcinogens. You can supplement a vegetable based diet with supplements but you can't remove the unhealthy parts of a carnivorous diet. So yes you can be a healthy vegan/vegetarian, and in order to be a healthy carnivore you have to put more work in to burn off the excess fat you are going to be consuming, exercise that would go straight into fitness for a vegan/vegetarian.

        So yeah, carnivore diets are far less healthy than vegan diets as a started. Whether a vegan diet or a carnivorous diet becomes unhealthy is entirely dependant on the individual and how aware of nutrition they are.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then go eat grass. Cows do.
          In fact, let's go force veganism on lions, dogs, house cats. You know, because according to (You), all animals have the exact same digestive system and organs.
          >The ideal human diet contains organ meat and colorful fruit.
          >Vegetables are worthless filler.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Never said that different animals didn't have different digestive systems, just that the minerals exist outside of meat. Therefore an intelligent species combined with a little something called chemistry, can extract the nutrients from the plants we cannot digest.

            The fact that you took "the minerals etc that we need to survive exist outside of meat" and went with "THEN YOU THINK WE CAN EAT ALL PLANT LETS FORCE CARNIVEROUS ANIMALS TO EAT PLANTS" is absolutely embarrassing and shows you have no intellectual honesty.

            You have a serious problem with imposing a ton of shit on a simple statement of fact. Get help

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's up with carnivore and grifting anyway?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. I've never seen a single carnivore gay who isn't in it for the money.

      >most outspoken vegans have income other than selling a diet
      Also true. Eilish and Leto pop into mind. Where are all the succesfull people doing carnivore diet without profiting off it at all?? Really fucking begs the question now donnit matey eh

    • 4 months ago
      Raw animal food dabbler

      HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

      https://i.imgur.com/Z0wsMFj.jpg

      This. I've never seen a single carnivore gay who isn't in it for the money.

      >most outspoken vegans have income other than selling a diet
      Also true. Eilish and Leto pop into mind. Where are all the succesfull people doing carnivore diet without profiting off it at all?? Really fucking begs the question now donnit matey eh

      >sv3rige
      >thenaturalhumandiet
      Best examples that come to mind. Do you people get paid for being this stupid?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Both are selling online consulting on carnivore diet.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree that some of the carnivore gurus are grifters, but it's still the optimal human diet. Grifter example:

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    All cults are cringe.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What’s cringier
    posting on IST

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    how is this a question? the diet thats unnatural to the human biology and requires suppliments, obviously

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      veganism?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes anon

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          That woman clearly avoids carbs and starches. This is like picking a man with down syndrome and pretending he's a prime specimen.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            alright, mentally ill veganschizo

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            there's a guy in this thread arguing that literally berrypicker as fuck is the optimal human diet

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Are you referring to me?

              Berries are one of the healthiest thing you could possibly eat.

              You're the one who said "all berry tribe", that was your own imagination. I've noticed that stupid people do this a lot, invent things people they're arguing with are supposed to have said.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                what other freely and abundantly growing, available year round, untouched by civilization's corrupting influence gifts of nature would this tribe eat besides berries

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fruits, vegetables, leaves, piths, and some insects and bird eggs for protein - protein's good and they certainly weren't vegans. You'd have different fruits available at different times of the year - remember this is a tropical climate and there's never a time when things would just be barren and no fruit. Orangutan mothers spend years showing their offspring how to navigate through the trees finding fruit.

                McDonalds and the government and science institutions didn't invent food.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, the claim I had a problem with was that not only was fruit that'd be recognizable as what you can buy today abundant, it's capable of sustaining humans by itself. General foraging is much more realistic. Hunting would have been part of that.

                Like I said though, agricultural varieties would be very vulnerable to pests, wouldn't have atrophied seeds, with the time I've spent in nature it just doesn't seem realistic at all many of these could exist naturally

                You do know that the inuit literally eat the lichen growing on rocks and will even eat the stomach content from the caribou because they are desperate to consume plant matter, right? I mean read a fucking book or two anon before pretending like you're some kind of expert.

                >the inuit literally eat the lichen growing on rocks and will even eat the stomach content from the caribou because they are desperate to consume

                stop there and you're correct

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore people feel more cult like. All the vegans I've met freely acknowledge that it's an incomplete diet and understand it's pitfalls. Although I've only met a couple of carnivore diet followers they were way more pushy about it and acted like it was a cure for all of their health problems.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cool story

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Seething.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You clearly haven't encountered potato-anon who things everything Dr. McDougal says is gospel then.
      Listen maybe the carnivore people were acting like it cured their health problems because their health problems were resolved after going carnivore. Is that such a stretch? Its n=1, but still that's a real person, that is his story. You don't have to believe him, but there are countless stories of this type of thing in the carnivore community. There's something happening. Even if you think its bullshit, its true for the people who got healthier. Something restored their health.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They aren't "healthy", they just have a suppressed immune system from keto and all the drugs they are taking for "energy".

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like a blanket statement for a group with no basis. We aren't talking about keto either. Carnivore done right includes protein levels sufficient to kick you out of ketosis every time you eat, which is natural.
          Plenty of people (in fact the majority I've come across) doing carnivore do not take any wild supplements, just regular vitamins sometimes.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but there are countless stories of this type of thing in the carnivore community
        This is definitely not something unique to keto anon. I would argue that there are far more stories and actual research to support the vegans than the ketoids.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You know that vegan keto exists, right?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            *autism beam noises*

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've never met one. This is like telling me that in theory a single horned horse might exist. Sure, but most horses don't have horns.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          All I see from vegans is stories about how it destroyed their health.

          Carnivore community is full of ex-vegans.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Carnivore community is full of mental ill attention whores

            Fixed that for you.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    wow man yeah it's so cringe you should just be a moral coward and take the middle ground position on any issue.

    Either plants are healthy and nutritious or they aren't. If you believe the bullshit about phytonutrients then you can get everything you need from plants and you have no need for animal foods. Conversely if you have some understanding of nutrition you know plants are nutritionally empty, usually toxic, and we only eat them if we are starving or if they have been processed into tasting good.

    I hate vegans with a passion, they are fucking ignorant morons, but I hate centrists and moral cowards even more. Dumb fucks who believe in 5-a-day or in some arbitrary idea of "balance".

    • 4 months ago
      Himbo Chad

      Are you retarded? Just eat both moron
      Both is good for you. Whole foods > meme diets

      You're all being conned by diet grifters

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        KYS.
        You already are with your shitty retarded balanced diet, but that won't be fast enough.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The people that currently live the longest on earth are eating balanced diets, look on carnivore forums and they report health issues all day, you're brain dead lmao.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're so brainwashed and mentally stunted it's funny.
        >they are both good for you
        Try actually making an argument from first principles. If meat is good for you then you acknowledge that plants do not have the nutrients we need from meat. If you think plants are good for you then you believe phytonutrients are essential despite those same nutrients being in animal foods in superior forms.

        You don't actually have a clue, that's why it's so frustrating explaining this stuff to laypeople like you. You just cling to the same tired idea of "balance" as though you can compensate for your nutritional confusion by just eating a bit of everything.

        The whole reason carnivore started was that a whole bunch of people realised that only eating animals turned out to be healthier than eating a bit of everything and LARPing that humans are omnivores like gorillas.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Amen brother fun fact gorillas convert all the fiber they eat into fatty acids, so they're getting about 70% of their energy ultimately from saturated fat.
          BTFOs these retards who think they can eat like a gorilla to get strong. News flash you don't have the equipment to convert fiber to nearly enough fat to fuel your body. You ain't a gorilla.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know why you think carnivore is 100% better than balanced, they're constantly reporting health issues, oh wait I know because it's a cool new fad diet and it has brainwashed "one of us" npcs, just like every other new diet. Look at what has worked for the longest living people currently, a balanced diet.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they're constantly reporting health issues
            >one roiding manlet gets a blocked artery after a life of eating like shit beforehand
            Post just one more example. Just one. If they're constantly reporting them it shouldn't be too hard right?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              also why do you think a diet that just came out with people already having health issues is inheritably better? you don't even know what it will be like for people after 20 years on the diet, are you just retarded?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                > a diet that just came out
                You're beyond uneducated. At this point just fucking have a nice day.
                Ever heard of the maasai tribes or inuit people you waste of atoms?

                >with people already having health issues
                What's your fucking point? that their health got better? Or are you just trying to associate poor health with the diet but just don't like "logic" and "arguments" so instead you have to poison the well?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >maasai tribes
                that's cool lmao

                >What's your fucking point?
                learn to read jesus christ

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >learn to read jesus christ
                No. You learn to write you chimpmunk.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a diet that just came out
                >he doesn't know
                Nevermind, clearly you are too retarded to understand a single thing about human nutrition.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                yep has yet to be researched, you can't actually point to a large group of people that have lived on it, lived a long healthy prosperous life, but we can point to health issues since it became a fad. I'd consider it new in research.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yep has yet to be researched
                Literally no single fucking diet has been researched. At best you have epidemiology studies, aka fuck all.
                Yet you act like this is exclusive to the carnivore diet; which means you either know shit about fuck or are using dirty garden gnome tactics. Either way your opinion is trash because you are garbage.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >never heard of Mediterranean or blue zone
                bout to blow you the fuck out of the water

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally no single fucking diet has been researched.
                Kek
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31243760/

                Did they lock people in a lab? With a control group? With the exact same physical efforts, stress level, light wavelength? for several decades?

                No they fucking didn't. Same with the """studies""" that """concluded""" that meat was bad for your health, because the group meat eating group also had a lot more smokers in it.
                Protip: your studies are shit and you are shit for not knowing why they're shit.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                so basically you just can't prove it, you just gotta believeeeee, huh you nut lmao. I think we can infer to a large degree their diet is the best based on their longevity, just like we can infer that the American diet has changed in the last 80 century and thus the longevity/health decline.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I think we can infer to a large degree their diet is the best based on their longevity
                What about Hong Kong then? They rank about #3 in meat consumption per capita and have the highest life expectancy in the world.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                yep their diet sounds cool to dude go for it

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kek these people all eat plenty of meat. Ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                adding beans isn't carnivore genius

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not to mention all the fasting they do for religious reasons. But that's not as eye-catching and fancy as "le epic blue zone diet" that's now been largely replaced by americanized food.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >bout to blow you the fuck out of the water
                >4x as much beans
                Yeah with giant farts

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally no single fucking diet has been researched.
                Kek
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31243760/

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous
          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know why you think carnivore is 100% better than balanced
            Because it doesn't activate the Randle cycle for starters? you fucking inbred.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Randle cycle
              yeah don't think that really matters on a balanced diet, we didn't have issues with diabetes & heart disease until recent history with all the goyslop. But enjoy your clogged arteries and high blood sugar, & homo of the year prize lol.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't care what you think.
                > we didn't have issues with diabetes
                Literally ancient Egyptians have records of diabetes.
                >heart disease
                lol
                lmao even.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Egyptians
                was pretty much all carbs not a balanced diet.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                source: 4 lines extract for wikipedia.
                Cool story bro, but why don't you come back with bone marrow stable isotopes data instead of speculation of an internet retard?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >LARPing that humans are omnivores
          Well we're certainly NOT carnivores. You clearly haven't looked into your mouth. It's not even about the canines. You don't have any teeth capable of tearing meat apart. Then there's the digestive system. It's no mistake that we have ridiculously long digestive tracks while carnivores do not. We're simply not designed to live off meat. Not in any real quantity.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >That's clearly a human skull

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The more plants make up of your diet the more tooth decay you get..
            When’s the last time you saw an animal in nature, eating its natural diet, get a tooth decay?
            >…
            Thought so.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Haha! Whoops!

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You don't have any teeth capable of tearing meat apart.
            not all carnivores have teeth to tear meat apart
            some doesn't have any teath
            and then there plenty of monkeys and apes with huge fangs eating just greens and maybe occasional insect
            human ability to digest uncooked plants are laughable, while you can digets raw meat and fat perfectly

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Humans are omnivores retard

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      is this what happens when you let the YouTube algorithm decide what you believe? Sad.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >plants are nutritionally empty, usually toxic, and we only eat them if we are starving
      Speak for yourself lardo

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > you know plants are nutritionally empty, usually toxic, and we only eat them if we are starving or if they have been processed into tasting good

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's pretty much true, do you think oranges and bananas were just on trees in some garden of eden scenario from prehistoric times? Fruit and vegetables as we know them are the product of thousands of years of work selective breeding

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >do you think oranges and bananas were just on trees in some garden of eden scenario from prehistoric times
          Yes. Humans are tropical animals.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            none of the items pictured existed 10,000 years ago any more than a holstein cow, actually an aurochs probably looked more like a cow than the ancestors of many of those

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Ancient Africans ate cows but not fruits, sugar, and starches

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Every one of them did you complete moron, even if there might be slight variations. See

              https://i.imgur.com/HTYwxl2.gif

              Yes that is exactly what the case was in prehistoric times. Furthermore at every point in the year there was tons of fresh fruit available - organic obviously and delicious. I have been arguing this over ten years ago, since before articles like pic-related were being written.

              Let me ask you this - what the hell would be the point of humans disliking food they were eating every day in ancient times, if it was all bitter and hard to eat? None of the food was like that, it was mostly delicious. The entire way those fruits work is by making themselves delicious and nutritious to humans and other animals so you will take their fruit and spread their seeds.

              The only "artificial selection" of most fruits has been the exact same as the natural selection of those fruits by humans and other primates in the first place.

              So funny when people think they have extra knowledge on something when actually they would have a better grasp of the situation if they had never heard anything about it at all.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes that is exactly what the case was in prehistoric times. Furthermore at every point in the year there was tons of fresh fruit available - organic obviously and delicious. I have been arguing this over ten years ago, since before articles like pic-related were being written.

          Let me ask you this - what the hell would be the point of humans disliking food they were eating every day in ancient times, if it was all bitter and hard to eat? None of the food was like that, it was mostly delicious. The entire way those fruits work is by making themselves delicious and nutritious to humans and other animals so you will take their fruit and spread their seeds.

          The only "artificial selection" of most fruits has been the exact same as the natural selection of those fruits by humans and other primates in the first place.

          So funny when people think they have extra knowledge on something when actually they would have a better grasp of the situation if they had never heard anything about it at all.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what the hell would be the point of humans disliking food they were eating every day in ancient times

            They were hungry and there wasn't anything else. How do you think people figured out bread? What you have circled in red is fair, yes blueberries exist in nature in a similar state to farmed ones. Your all berry diet tribe was certain to prosper

            I posted a picture of a wild growing banana from today that looks practically alien to a grocery store one already

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >They were hungry and there wasn't anything else. How do you think people figured out bread? What you have circled in red is fair, yes blueberries exist in nature in a similar state to farmed ones. Your all berry diet tribe was certain to prosper
              They weren't hungry at all except during some intermittent bad times. There was fruit as far as the eye could see. Even today when they study primates despite all the human encroachments on their territories they usually have lots of time for play. Not sure why people still have this deep-rooted Hobbesian conviction that early man didn't have enough food - he had more than he could possibly eat.

              >I posted a picture of a wild growing banana from today that looks practically alien to a grocery store one already
              Right, and bananas are one of the 2-3 extreme examples always given of the changes that have occurred.

              >what the hell would be the point of humans disliking food they were eating every day in ancient times
              This moron thinks a survival situation is like grocery shopping at his favourite whole-food store

              It would be a lot better, food was for free. Imagine tons and tons of those berries all for free to pick, meanwhile it's like $5 for a tiny carton of them in the grocery. Why the fuck are you so convinced that you have it so good now? I cannot imagine what it takes to be a cuckold so hard by modern corporations you believe this sort of stuff, you believe it's normal that a few heads of broccoli and handfuls of pesticide-laden berries a few days old is worth hours of people's hard labour when it used to be worth bothering to bend and pick them (getting exercise in the process). And you think things are better now.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Damn, free berries? I'm in! All I gotta do is pick them, ain't no labor in that! Where they at? Those berries are available all year, right anon?

                .....

                ....right anon?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >right anon
                Right.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                the entire northern third of that map can be completely disregarded because of you know, winter

                showing where things originated doesn't tell much about human intervention in their development since then anyway

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"I'm gonna disregard this map because it proves me wrong."
                Kek. Have another. Also,
                >What is grain storage

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok cool, did your ancestors forage for that shit during winter?
                You know humans existed BEFORE agriculture, right? Or are we gonna ignore anything older than 8000 years ago?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >during winter?
                No, they ate wheat, yams, cassava, potatoes, maize, rice, beans, nuts, seeds, and legumes

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                lmao
                This is so ridiculous you have to be trolling.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                turnips are still practically synonymous with "starving peasant" 1000 years later... yeah I bet people lived off them but it probably wasn't fun

                I'm not sure how far you'd get eating nothing but leeks and mustard greens

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                my god...guys, guys we can solve world hunger by just going outside and picking berries! food is everywhere! all those starving people are just too retarded to go pick it up! i wonder why it took us so long to figure this out?

                May I ask, what's stopping you from collecting all this free food yourself? Surely you'd save a pretty penny

                Where humans live naturally - the forests of south-east Africa.

                yeah look at these gays not living in their natural habitat. I'm sure the climate in south-east africa has been the exact same and highly conducive for totally nutritious berries year-round for the last few million years humans have walked the earth. i wonder why we left...musta been the garden gnomes.....

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Whoops! Proven wrong again!

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                There are some places where Inuit lived so far north that none of this shit grew at all. What do you say to that? Did they need that shit to survive? How did they live?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You do know that the inuit literally eat the lichen growing on rocks and will even eat the stomach content from the caribou because they are desperate to consume plant matter, right? I mean read a fucking book or two anon before pretending like you're some kind of expert.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have read a book about a guy who lived with the inuit and they were strict carnivores. Try again gay.
                Its called the fat of the land.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hey bros what are the macros for lichen and pre-digested roughage? I'm desperate to eat this stuff (definitely not because i'm starving or trying to fully utilize all available resources or anything. I'm just biologically driven to desperately want plant matter even though my ancestors evolved having very little access to it).

                What percentage of their diet do you think consisted of that stuff?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muh ancestors

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                answer the question you californian vegan-brained gay.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this is your average vegan’s understanding of evolution
                [...]
                here says eat only meat, but rather like 95% meat
                >that's all you fags say
                That’s just semantics. I don’t know anyone who eats raw animal products and absolutely 0 carbs. They should only comprise a tiny tiny amount of the diet. Seasonally you should eat some berries and fruit. But it’s not really necessary.
                [...]
                This. And should be raw. Plants are like a last resort or a permissible dessert (fruits). Even dogs gnaw at some grass here and there, but that is again a tiny fraction of their diet.
                We eat like 30% of meat nowadays and basically no organs. It should be like 95% everything from animal.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>apes definitely only eat plants so I should only eat plants. they absolutely never eat meat.
                , but ignore the hunter part.
                modern morons are my ancestors and not a divergent subspecies
                cucks who got the beetus from eating too much grain.

                hm, i wonder how many plants homo sapiens ate for the ~290k years they existed before the advent of agriculture. Surely edible plants are super common, calorically dense, and easy to forage world-wide and year round. I wonder what the diet of preceding hominids was like? I wonder how humans ate during the bottleneck of the ice age. I wonder how much divergence there is between modern humans and apes. I wonder what the first tools were overwhelming designed for....it was sickles, right anon? definitely sickles.

                What is the prevailing hypothesis on how brain size exploded so rapidly, again? I can't remember. We aren't biologically dependent on any kind of nutrients from animals that we can't get from plants, right anon?

                I'll make it easy for you anon. Name a single vegan self-propagating group of humans, and I'll concede to your vastly superior intellect.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What is the prevailing hypothesis on how brain size exploded so rapidly, again?
                One theory is that it was the mushrooms.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                mckenna-pilled

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Surely edible plants are super common, calorically dense, and easy to forage world-wide and year round. I wonder what the diet of preceding hominids was like? I wonder how humans ate during the bottleneck of the ice age.
                I wonder how alligators and crocodiles survived the Ice Age? They couldn't have just lived in the tropical climates that they are naturally adapted to! That's impossible!

                >What is the prevailing hypothesis on how brain size exploded so rapidly, again? I can't remember.
                I'll help you out, keto brain.
                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3189454/The-secret-man-s-intelligence-POTATOES-Humans-evolved-large-brains-ancestors-ate-starchy-carbohydrates.html

                >Name a single vegan self-propagating group of humans, and I'll concede to your vastly superior intellect.
                Name a single population who survives off of a carnivore diet year round, and refuses to eat plants.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>how did alligators and crocodiles survive
                probably by eating meat. Humans have naturally adapted to living on ice sheets for over 45k years. 4x longer, at min, than we've 'naturally adapted' to eating argicultural produce.

                >>one study was discussed (but not linked to) in an artcle by the dailymail and it totally completely negates all other studies and is now the prevailing hypothesis. more at 11

                >>NO U
                >>AND refuses to eat plants
                A population that refuses food? Even when they're starving? Hm. Gosh you really got me on that one. Guess I'll just ignore the fact that you can't even name a single 'seasonally' vegan group.

                Even herbivores don't 'refuse' meat. But vegans do. Curious.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Humans have naturally adapted to living on ice sheets for over 45k years
                Is that why we get frostbite and have no fur?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                sheeeit, using your brain to survive ain't natural bro.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah using tools is "natural".

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                tool use is SUUUPER unnatural, just like all the chemicals in our food. just look at this unholy abomination! some sort of whackado science experiment gone wrong, i tell ya.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Here's another story you won't read
                https://www.science.org/content/article/neanderthals-carb-loaded-helping-grow-their-big-brains

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are a vegan liar spreading vegan lies.

                >What did our ancestors eat during the stone age? Mostly meat
                https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/814485

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yep. I'm sure that no humans ate plants before 100 years ago. That's why humans have duplicate amylase genes to digest starches. Because they DEFINITELY weren't eating starches. That must be why Neanderthals and early humans had signs of tooth decay and testable amounts of starches. Also explains why every civilization on the planet from before the beginning of history stored grains and fermented juice. Because they didn't eat or drink any carbs. Also explains why the brain prefers glucose and uses almost 60% of our blood glucose. Because we were breaking down meat into carbs. Makes total sense.

                at least this one linked the study. but the study itself is behind a paywall. too bad. guess i should just trust the article.

                >>your brain needs glucose so you have to get it from your diet
                the fact that glucose gets used up fast so it must be replenished daily
                figured out this one neat trick; vegans hate it!

                >Glycogen has to be replenished daily
                How are you posting of IST and you don't know this already?

                https://i.imgur.com/UxBS9ux.jpg

                tool use is SUUUPER unnatural, just like all the chemicals in our food. just look at this unholy abomination! some sort of whackado science experiment gone wrong, i tell ya.

                The word is "artificial". Unless you are admitting that agriculture is natural.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                at least this one linked the study. but the study itself is behind a paywall. too bad. guess i should just trust the article.

                >>your brain needs glucose so you have to get it from your diet
                the fact that glucose gets used up fast so it must be replenished daily
                figured out this one neat trick; vegans hate it!

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Here's another study:
                https://www.livescience.com/37099-early-human-ancestors-diet-shifted.html
                And another study:
                https://www.calacademy.org/explore-science/early-human-diets
                And another study:
                https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2021655118
                And another:
                https://www.newscientist.com/article/2115127-ancient-leftovers-show-the-real-paleo-diet-was-a-veggie-feast/
                Another:
                https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

                Please stop being retarded and pretending humans never ate plants.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                gay I never said or argued that humans never ate plants. We're in a thread about no-meat vs no-plants where a bunch of gays can't comprehend that a nutritionally deficient diet is inherently going to be worse than one humans have historically and frequently eaten for long periods of time around the world.

                You either believe in evolution or you don't. No amount of ""studies"" are going to change the reality of human biology. We can get everything we need from animals. This is 100% not true for plants. Vegans have a lot bigger claims to defend than carnitards, but a lot more $$ interested their propagating that bullshit.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You either believe in evolution or you don't
                Are we evolved to eat plants? Yes or no.

              • 4 months ago
                Raw animal food dabbler

                >this is your average vegan’s understanding of evolution

                what is with you carnifags, I never said I was vegan you dumb fuck. I advocate for a balanced diet.
                [...]
                >Nobody here says eat only meat, but rather like 95% meat
                that's all you fags say

                here says eat only meat, but rather like 95% meat
                >that's all you fags say
                That’s just semantics. I don’t know anyone who eats raw animal products and absolutely 0 carbs. They should only comprise a tiny tiny amount of the diet. Seasonally you should eat some berries and fruit. But it’s not really necessary.

                A lot of gays mistake a carnivore diet for only eating muscle tissue. You’ll be very unhealthy by only eating muscle. A true carnivore diet involves eating all pets of the animal such as the bones, eyes, liver, brain, etc. these organs contain vital nutrients which you would otherwise be lacking with plants.

                This. And should be raw. Plants are like a last resort or a permissible dessert (fruits). Even dogs gnaw at some grass here and there, but that is again a tiny fraction of their diet.
                We eat like 30% of meat nowadays and basically no organs. It should be like 95% everything from animal.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've actually spent a lot of time in coastal alaska where it's warmer and more grows, not even the actual inland subarctic where the inuit live, exclusive berrypickers would fare poorly lol is where I'll leave that

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Damn, they ate what was available? You really pwned me anon. Definitely totally stomped my point that they lived in that area naturally without relying on plants year round....

                Your pic literally says it's not possible to cultivate plants for food in the arctic. I wonder what "naturally available" means? Seasonal, perhaps? Naah they're just a bunch of inhuman savages murdering seals for no reason.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Where humans live naturally - the forests of south-east Africa.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what the hell would be the point of humans disliking food they were eating every day in ancient times
            This moron thinks a survival situation is like grocery shopping at his favourite whole-food store

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        this is what a wild growing banana today looks like, specimens from earlier were probably even less familar

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >specimens from earlier were probably even less familar
          You mean like chickens, cows, pigs, and all the other GMO stuff you buy from the grocery store?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Either plants are healthy and nutritious or they aren't.
      that's like saying either eating only salt is healthy and nutritious or it's not at all. Balanced diet isn't a neutral position you dumb fuck lol, a neutral position would be saying "I don't have an opinion on it", but we're saying a balanced diet is better.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most retarded thing I've read in a while

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is true. Plants should be a small part of the diet. Some fruits. IST is full of drooling retards so they think that eating man made plants is a sensible choice kek lmao.
      You need animal fat and animal organs, red meat, some fruit. All raw of course, and farmer sourced.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Everyone who isn't a weepy contrarian gay like me is a coward
      eat your meat and veggies like your mommy told you retard

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      hahahahahahaha

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're basically two sides of the same coin. I can make a case for either one though I hate vegans more because of their stupid, atheist minded arbitrary "morality" they constructed is insulting.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's easier to get what you're missing in carnivore through supplements than vegan.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Things you're missing in a carnivore diet: absolutely fuck all.
      So yes, eating no supplement is easier than depending on supplements for essential nutrients.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ketosis
    Even sounds like a disease

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both are equally cringe in a vacuum, but anecdotally the people I’ve known who fell for the carnivore diet meme had a greater number of other cringe aspects than the vegans I know. So make of that what you will.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    for some strange reason i think like

    vegan/leftist
    carnivore/rightwing

    both is mostly cringe. but veganism a bit more.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure that carnivore/rightwing holds too much water, but they tend to be more of the free thinker type, which can lend itself to not being a leftwing schizo midwit

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    By carnivore diet… do they still eat and drink milk, eggs, cheese, yogurt, cream etc? I mean those are animal products too. Or is it actually just meat only?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've done both the less restrictive version of carnivore is unironically the best diet plan I've ever done.

      Yes. The term "carnivore" is a misnomer. Only the most extreme form of the diet is meat and organ only.
      Most "carnivore" diet people eat meat, organs, honey, fruit, eggs, and possibly dairy.
      The most inclusive form of the diet allows for white rice also.
      It's basically a no veggies, no nightshade, no sugar, no processed anything diet.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Carnivore means you can eat any animal food.

      You can also eat the stomach contents of animals you kill.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well there is one that leads to malnutrition and one that leads to optimal human health.
    Here's just one example:
    Humans need carnitine. Where do you get it from?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Humans synthesize carnitine from the substrate TML (6-N-trimethyllysine), which is in turn derived from the methylation of the amino acid lysine.[1]
      t. Wikipedia

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lots of people can synthesize the right amount but some cannot. There is pretty strong correlations between higher levels of carnitine and better brain development. So why would you gamble on this? At the very least do not avoid red meat.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who can not? Be very specific now and post credible sources documenting it happening. You get one chance. Fucking obvious meat marketer.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1120210109
            First paragraph after the abstract. Carnitine deficiency exists and CAN happen, which is what I said. So why would you gamble and avoid foods containing carnitine especially for infants or childen?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Did you have any credible source of that ever happening like I asked you to provide or just that could maybe theoretically paper? No. You had your chance and blew it, meat marketer.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is actually no hard evidence comparing carnivore to a "balanced diet" so how would you know that? And you have one example of someone who got a blocked artery, and no other examples of anything other than a google search showing a youtube video talking about blood sugar.

                It literally has happened and is documented. You are retarded.
                >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559041/
                It HAS happened. Literally has happened. Fucking idiot.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                first part of
                meant for

                >You're choosing to disregard human history because millions of years of evolution must have not been as optimal as possible. It took humans learning to grow shit in the dirt 10,000 years ago to become optimal. So just so we're on the same page, this is your argument?

                no I acknowledge the past, I also acknowledge that humans would eat plants as well when they could unlike yourself. Something else you don't understand is everything in the past isn't necessarily better.
                Here's the kicker, there's no past evidence that being on a carnivore diet is superior, that it will help you to live the longest, but we do have evidence that a balanced diet will, & that people on carnivore diets experience health issues in the few years it's been popular, it's not even huge yet.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                nobody in history has lived to 100 years eating only meat, we don't even know what it's like after 5 years, and we know there's cultures out there living the longest healthiest lives eating plants. yet you carnivore fags say
                > DUDE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RETARDED IF YOU EAT TOXIC PLANTS
                Like godddamn lmao.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                there's no traditional culture that's exclusively vegan

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                what is with you carnifags, I never said I was vegan you dumb fuck. I advocate for a balanced diet.

                >we don't even know what it's like after 5 years
                Nobody here says eat only meat, but rather like 95% meat
                >still that is bad durrrrrr you’ll die!!1
                >Aajonous, sv3rige, thenaturalhumandiet, derek nance among others
                [...]
                If you dig six feet under you might excavate one.
                [...]
                What the fuck are you talking about, the effects were pretty much immediate for me. Maybe they cooked their meat.

                >Nobody here says eat only meat, but rather like 95% meat
                that's all you fags say

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                it's an anonymous forum mang, and this thread had like eight arguments happening at once with potshots being fired between them, I don't know if I could have tracked who was saying what in the last 40 posts if I tried

                My position is balanced diet with a bias towards meat, which is how I eat

              • 4 months ago
                Raw animal food dabbler

                >we don't even know what it's like after 5 years
                Nobody here says eat only meat, but rather like 95% meat
                >still that is bad durrrrrr you’ll die!!1
                >Aajonous, sv3rige, thenaturalhumandiet, derek nance among others

                there's no traditional culture that's exclusively vegan

                If you dig six feet under you might excavate one.

                They put absurd timelines on these shitty diets to keep victims hooked longer. Keto usually promises initially that keto flu is gone in two weeks just endure bro, then after that they start saying "fat adaptation" takes even half a year just endure bro. Carnivore grifters take it a notch further. I've seen them promise the miracle happens in YEARS and a single plant resets all process.

                What the fuck are you talking about, the effects were pretty much immediate for me. Maybe they cooked their meat.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOOO I could hypothetically speaking be undiagnosed with a genetic mutation that prevents my body from working correctly and therefore everyone should stop eating vegetables instead of seeking immediate lifelong medical treatment!
                The schizo in action.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >check provided source again
                >still not in source
                You're literally hallucinating it having happened. Goddamn mentally ill meat salesman. How does your boss even measure marketing success? You're so desperate.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Humans don't need carnitine. We do need fiber, carbs, and Vitamin C for optimal health though.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Show me one piece of hard evidence that humans NEED fiber and carbs. For survival. Go.
        Also meat has vitamin C. It has been measured, there is no getting around this fact.
        >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0309174006002701#bib8

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis

          >Humans were in a metabolic state of malnutrition called "ketosis" for millions of years, and didn't eat any carbs despite the brain, muscles, and cells using glucose (a sugar) as their preferred energy source and being long distance runners living in tropical areas permeated with tasty colorful fruit and starchy vegetables.
          This is your brain on keto.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks ketoacidosis and ketosis are the same thing
            Just KYS moron.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              What causes ketoacidosis?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >malnutrition
            Then why were meat eating tribes taller than developed nations then?
            >https://news.osu.edu/standing-tall-plains-indians-enjoyed-height-health-advantage/

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Because they weren't ketards

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                This isn't a thread about ketosis. It is a thread about carnivore and vegan diets. Carnivore diets will include sufficient protein to kick you out of ketosis when you eat for a few hours. That is natural and healthy. Of course they weren't ketards, but ketards seem to be living rent free in your head.
                Plains indians were carnivores. Plain and simple.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right, they just got all of their energy from low fat protein... Were they also using photosynthesis?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > We do need fiber, carbs
        No we don't.
        > Vitamin C
        Not for "optimal health" but for fucking not bleeding from your gums and losing teeth, you mongoloid. However, the reason the daily requirements are so high is because they're based on goyslop eater.
        You probably have no idea, but both glucose and vitC enter cells through GLUT4, but since glucose above a certain level will result in cell death, the cell closes GLUT4, therefore vitC cannot enter the cell.
        This is why carb eaters need so much vitamin C, while carnichads get enough vitamin from meat and meat alone.

        By carnivore diet… do they still eat and drink milk, eggs, cheese, yogurt, cream etc? I mean those are animal products too. Or is it actually just meat only?

        Some people do some people don't.
        From stricter to less strict you have:
        beef
        butter
        eggs
        other ruminants
        pork
        poultry
        heavy cream
        fishes
        cheese
        yogurt
        milk

        Because the lower the fat % of a dairy product the higher the lactose % is (duh).

        I've done both the less restrictive version of carnivore is unironically the best diet plan I've ever done.

        Yes. The term "carnivore" is a misnomer. Only the most extreme form of the diet is meat and organ only.
        Most "carnivore" diet people eat meat, organs, honey, fruit, eggs, and possibly dairy.
        The most inclusive form of the diet allows for white rice also.
        It's basically a no veggies, no nightshade, no sugar, no processed anything diet.

        Organs are shit for malnourished retards, honey and fruits are NOT carnivore and fructose is the worst sugar you could possibly ingest. Just because there are Ray Peat mongoloids like Paul Saladino who have gone off the reservation doesn't mean the shit they eat is carnivore.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Just because there are Ray Peat mongoloids like Paul Saladino who have gone off the reservation doesn't mean the shit they eat is carnivore.
          1000 times this. They like to pretend that every "carnivore" eats plants and sugar anyway so it must all be bullshit when its literally 2 prominent internet users.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can lose the vitriol, moron. You might disagree with those "mongoloids" but it makes more sense. I did carnivore as you would define it and I had mental clarity and felt alright but my gut didn't like it. Their amended version works better for me and is makes more sense looking back into our history.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You probably got the shits because you suddenly went cold turkey into carnivore. That's not a good idea. No one says that, but it is really not. Your gut microbiome got nuked, it should be transitioned over the course of 2-3 weeks.
            Do what works for you, but your gut didn't like it because you radically changed your diet overnight probably and your gut bacteria got fucked. Not because of the diet itself.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              This. Switching diets overnight is one of the worst things you can do for your gut.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Just nuke you gut microbiome, it's "healthy"!

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I understand that but I was like 5 weeks in when I gave up the explosive diarrhea wasnt even the cause, I cannot balance a hiit sport like mma on pure carnivore so I had to change it. Carbs are absolutely necessary for any sort of hiit athletics tbqh family.
              I agree with the premise that veggies, nuts, and goyslop are trash. Different strokes for different folks.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                How are veggies trash? Why can't you fags just admit you're obese and hate eating anything remotely healthy. Do you realize how fucking retarded you sound?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I fucking love veggies, especially salads. But eating them gives me massive cramps, bloating, pain, diarrhea, and in the worst case scenario I shit blood.
                None of that happens to me if I stick to the carnivore diet.
                Of course if you don't have any autoimmune health conditions I can understand why the carnivore diet can sound bonkers to you; but then again you're just accepting shitty nutrition "facts" you've been told your entire life as truth. Have you even looked into it, or are you just following your programming? I hope you're not eating any seed oils or following the food pyramid at least.

                >LARPing that humans are omnivores
                Well we're certainly NOT carnivores. You clearly haven't looked into your mouth. It's not even about the canines. You don't have any teeth capable of tearing meat apart. Then there's the digestive system. It's no mistake that we have ridiculously long digestive tracks while carnivores do not. We're simply not designed to live off meat. Not in any real quantity.

                My teeth never stopped me from eating a steak. Are you really so weak you can't eat a steak? WTF is that bullshit "muh teeth" argument lmao.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >My teeth never stopped me from eating a steak. Are you really so weak you can't eat a steak? WTF is that bullshit "muh teeth" argument lmao.
                What's with you guys always resorting to some weird school bully insult? Do you somehow imagine monkeys using steak knives in the wild to cut apart corpses? What's more likely? That we developed this behavior after tool use? Or that we sat there using our pitiful teeth and bare hands chewing on corpses? Stop acting like a retard and people would at least be willing to listen to your dietary opinions.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was a vegetarian for many years. I became obese as a vegetarian and also lost the weight as a vegetarian. I recently tried Saladinos model and I am starting to see abs.

                Not him but it takes 20~28 weeks to become fully fat adapted, even more for some people.
                The rule of thumb is: dietary changes won't show their full effect within the first 3 months.
                Add to that the 6 weeks needed to slowly switch diets so to not get the nuclear shits.
                So yeah the logistics are a problem, I agree with you on that. However it is the healthiest option by far.

                I need carbs to fight mate. A normal person could probably have succeeded with that diet but it simply isn't feasible for me.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's understandable, the performance dip when changing diet is no fun. Whatever works for you I guess

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but it takes 20~28 weeks to become fully fat adapted, even more for some people.
                The rule of thumb is: dietary changes won't show their full effect within the first 3 months.
                Add to that the 6 weeks needed to slowly switch diets so to not get the nuclear shits.
                So yeah the logistics are a problem, I agree with you on that. However it is the healthiest option by far.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it takes 20~28 weeks
                >My "perfect human diet" that nukes your gut takes 28 weeks for your body to adjust

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well if you hadn't been poisoning yourself with plant matter in the first place, moron.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                They put absurd timelines on these shitty diets to keep victims hooked longer. Keto usually promises initially that keto flu is gone in two weeks just endure bro, then after that they start saying "fat adaptation" takes even half a year just endure bro. Carnivore grifters take it a notch further. I've seen them promise the miracle happens in YEARS and a single plant resets all process.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Changing diets is a big deal. It affects your gut microbiome because they eat what you feed them. So any dietary change should be done gradually. This is not unique to carnivore.
                Personally, I feel better eating carnivore after about 3 days. I just never feel bloated, I am full of energy, and I am losing body fat. My waist is shrinking.
                That didn't take years. You are putting words in others' mouths and spreading lies. No one said there would be a miracle that would take years to happen by eating carnivore and then a single plant resets it. No one at all.
                Plenty of people have tried carnivore and noted the immediate benefits as I have just delineated.
                People are welcome to try it or not. I don't give a fuck. Just live your life and stop letting other peoples' dietary choices live rent free in your head.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the fuck up. Carnivore grifters in this very thread are saying it. Should all be shot, you first.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >just wait bro
                >2 more weeks bro
                >I promise you will feel better bro
                >It's not a fad diet bro
                It's pure copium

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes absolutely. Just keep at it a few days or two weeks is just to draw you in, if you don't feel like it then then what's the loss. Then at the end of two weeks you're feeling like shit, oh my god you'd be some idiot to quit now, just when things are starting to get good, you would have wasted all that time just hang on for another while. Then you have the sunk cost fallacy, and you have people unwilling to admit everything they've been doing was a ridiculous mistake, so they'll select specific examples of people who did apparently pretty good out of it (not because of keto of course, but because they stopped eating 5 big macs and a tub of ice cream every day).

                No fap thing is similar. People unwilling to admit they were morons that made a mistake, they get sucked in. Even some crypto like ICP and the like has these people.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fat adaptation goes faster with IF or longer fasts. You can brute force it in less than 2 months.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >carnivore
              >just ignores health issues
              >NOOO DUDE THIS DIET IS THE PERFECT HUMAN DIET DUDE, ONLY BEEN STUDIED FOR 3 YEARS AND ON GOING HEALTH ISSUES DUDE, DUDE YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG DUDEE, NOOO BRO PLANTS ARE TOXIC, JUST LOOK AT BLUE ZONE AND MEDITERRANIAN, OH WOOPS
              can't make this shit up

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >holyfuckingcope

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally everything we pit in ourselfs is toxic to a certian degree, both diets are fad diet memes made to get middle aged fatties and millenials to buy their product, nust eat normal, unprocessed homamde food like a normal person

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >like a normal person
      Pretty sure that's the problem.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care as long as you're getting solid results. I'm more on the vegan side of things, but I still consume meat occasionally, so I'm not religious about it yet. There are a few reasons why I believe that keto is the dumbest dumbshit diet ever invented. The first one being that every ketoid I've met initially lost weight and then doubled in size. They're all rounder than giant meatballs now and they look greasy like they sweat lard all day. The second one being that it's probably the most expensive fad diet I've ever seen. The third one being that keto-fuckers are the worst for cherry picking data and going "nananananana" whenever somebody tries to talk to them. You won't even get a word in before they plug their ears with two wieners.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The largest person in my friend group, 260 - 300 lbs., is constantly on/off keto and it's hilarious to hear him dismiss my 105 lbs. wife's talking points about being vegan. It's doubly hilarious because she's been vegan for a long time and never talks about it but he constantly wants to bring it up.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's the same here. Also at gym you know that type with doughy face and big belly and doesn't lift good for size? Always ketolard.

      • 4 months ago
        Raw animal food dabbler

        >105 lbs. wife
        Those are some heavy bones

        https://i.imgur.com/CD7UVg9.jpg

        [...]

        >implying I’m not talking about pre fire times

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Apes and fruit didn't exist before fire
          Anon... I...

          • 4 months ago
            Raw animal food dabbler

            >being so malnourished to the point of not understanding what I’m saying
            Food did and it was raw meat, not some agriculture slop

            Idk what you're saying, going off of BMI she is underweight for her height. If you're saying 105 is heavy then maybe go to the gym more.

            She is a heavy pile of bones. Dead.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Okay.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Idk what you're saying, going off of BMI she is underweight for her height. If you're saying 105 is heavy then maybe go to the gym more.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I dont know about health but I FEEL the best on high carb, low fat, medium protein diet. Both from plants and meat.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Me too anon. If I ever start feeling like shit I'll think about adding more meat or protein, but after this many years I don't see it happening. The results don't lie.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore. It has all the retarded cultism of veganism. Except I can understand the idea of decreasing death from veganism, and you have seventh day Adventists who are largely vegan, but at least through being devout Christians.

    Oats+milk+chicken breast. The body building staples. If your diet removes any of them, then it’s a beta diet. Being beta is only good if it’s through being subservient to God.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ideology is cringe, which is what you are participating in right now.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >oats
      grains
      >milk
      lactose
      >chicken breast
      bland and underwhelming micros
      >you cannot remove any of these
      ok retard

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Using the word “cringe” and all of its derivatives.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >'balanced' diet

    What is the randle cycle
    What is stable isotope testing
    What are anti nutrients
    What about the fact most foods you eat including vegetables and fruits didn't exist even a few decades ago

    Hmm yes enjoy eating 3 times a day plus snacks keep your blood sugar high constantly with carbohydrates.

    Or you could just eat steak, eggs and and quality seafood like salmon roe and have every single micronutient at probably 20x the levels you're getting now. The vegan shills will try to tell you like I'm selling you something lmao

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >vegetables and fruits didn't exist even a few decades ago
      Damn, dude. I didn't realize the beginning of history was only a couple of decades ago.

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    europe wasn't like that

    I doubt a lot of africa was either really, arab explorers wrote about the tribes there subsisting on raw grain and other meager fare, and highly valuing meat including of each other in some regions

    large fleshy fruit like we have today is very vulnerable to pests and requires agriculture to survive anyway

    https://i.imgur.com/ypv1nzQ.jpg

    >specimens from earlier were probably even less familar
    You mean like chickens, cows, pigs, and all the other GMO stuff you buy from the grocery store?

    I drew a comparison between the two in my first post dude

    I eat a pretty standard diet and actually love tropical fruit for the record, lol

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore
    Despite being pushy and obnoxious, at least vegans follow their diet for a reason, typically a moral one
    Carnivore fags are just falling for a fad, much like ketards

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    larping as your ancient EVROPEAN ancestor and eating exactly what they did.

    I mean, I would know, cause that's exactly what I'm doing.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    buddy can't take the fire get out of the kitchen, you probably picked up gay carnivore diet from 1 video, tried it a week ago and assumed it's the best thing on the planet and everyone should be doing it, and punish those who don't.

    >>You are just retarded man. It has been humans' preferred and evolved species appropriate diet for hundreds of thousands of years. Do you know we only had agriculture for 10-15000 years? Do you know that most places in the world experience winter and plants die off? Do you know that people always still lived in these places? Do you know that we literally have stable isotope testing revealing the dietary content of ancient humans?
    so I actually don't give a fuck about any of that shit, because what we had to do to survive doesn't necessarily mean it's optimal, if we want optimal we should look at what the healthiest people today are doing, blue zone and Mediterranean, a balanced diet. dumb queer.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you probably picked up gay carnivore diet from 1 video, tried it a week ago and assumed it's the best thing on the planet and everyone should be doing it, and punish those who don't.
      Wrong.
      >so I actually don't give a fuck about any of that shit, because what we had to do to survive doesn't necessarily mean it's optimal, if we want optimal we should look at what the healthiest people today are doing, blue zone and Mediterranean, a balanced diet. dumb queer.
      So you choose to disregard the entirety of human history? Should we go back to owning slaves? Exterminating garden gnomes?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Should we go back to owning slaves? Exterminating garden gnomes?
        Literally yes, but also eating carnivore.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So you choose to disregard the entirety of human history?
        mmm no, what I'm saying is that what we did to survive especially in the winter specifically, doesn't mean it's an optimal diet. I don't think that was too hard to figure out from what I said.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're choosing to disregard human history because millions of years of evolution must have not been as optimal as possible. It took humans learning to grow shit in the dirt 10,000 years ago to become optimal. So just so we're on the same page, this is your argument?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You're choosing to disregard human history because millions of years of evolution must have not been as optimal as possible. It took humans learning to grow shit in the dirt 10,000 years ago to become optimal. So just so we're on the same page, this is your argument?

            no I acknowledge the past, I also acknowledge that humans would eat plants as well when they could unlike yourself. Something else you don't understand is everything in the past isn't necessarily better.
            Here's the kicker, there's no past evidence that being on a carnivore diet is superior, that it will help you to live the longest, but we do have evidence that a balanced diet will, & that people on carnivore diets experience health issues in the few years it's been popular, it's not even huge yet.

  28. 4 months ago
    Raw animal food dabbler

    I’ve eaten only animal products so raw steak, eggs, milk, beef, pork and chicken liver, white yoghurt and butter, cooked chicken, for about a month. Plus some fruit. My sleep quality improved a lot, rings from under eyes disappeared and teeth had this glossy feel to them on the tongue. No plaque.And felt like actually getting up. Easier to put into words what I thought. Very succinctly and to the point.
    People are incredibly stupid yet think you are the retard for following this diet.
    Reality check.
    If you eat “right” and still get tooth decay then guess what, you are eating an unnatural diet because it literally rots your teeth.
    >just brush them brroooooo
    Only we humans use tooth brushes because only we are dumb enough to eat things that rot your teeth. We are also dumb enough to cook our meat, destroying vitamin c and a plethora of other nutrients that are vital for brain and cognitive functioning, mental well being (and basically everything, obviously).
    But if this still doesn’t make people think, then let them suffer. They clearly don’t have the mental faculty. That, in my view, is justice.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Only we humans use tooth brushes because only we are dumb enough to eat things that rot your teeth
      I hate this fucking rhetoric!!Loads of wild animals have fucked up manky teeth the differnce is 1. They can't physically complain about losing their rotting teeth and 2. Animals will literally carry on moving about in the most gnarly conditions until they physically can't carry on.
      Also tooth health is 99% genetics.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's like you ACTUALLY know nothing

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tooth decay isn't so much about what you eat as it is about how many times a day you eat. You would know this for a fact if you ever restricted your eating for a significant amount of time.

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just eat anything that doesn't make me a bellyache

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Do you know we only had agriculture for 15000 years?
    >Try the NEW Carnicuck Diet that I saw on TikTok yesterdayyy!!!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      we've had alcohol that long, probably related, that doesn't mean you should drink it

      (I do, often)

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    carnivore.
    Even if all the health stuff is bullshit and eating a balanced diet is the only way to go, at least the vegtards can still make a political argument

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Being a vegan, obviously.
    You can actually thrive on an exclusively carnivore diet if you include animal organs. It's obviously not optimal, but several ethnic groups are known to survive long periods on nothing but animal sources

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you include animal organs.
      Which most carnitards don't

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fair enough

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just incorporate berries and nuts as dessert with your carnivore diet and it’s actually really balanced and a medieval solider diet.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of gays mistake a carnivore diet for only eating muscle tissue. You’ll be very unhealthy by only eating muscle. A true carnivore diet involves eating all pets of the animal such as the bones, eyes, liver, brain, etc. these organs contain vital nutrients which you would otherwise be lacking with plants.

      Don't forget you also have to eat the liver, brains, and eyeballs raw or you will destroy all of the Vitamin C. Bon appetit!

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of gays mistake a carnivore diet for only eating muscle tissue. You’ll be very unhealthy by only eating muscle. A true carnivore diet involves eating all pets of the animal such as the bones, eyes, liver, brain, etc. these organs contain vital nutrients which you would otherwise be lacking with plants.

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans don't give up an essential macro.
    >Inb4 carbs aren't essentials

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Being vegan. Show me 1 person who worsened his/her health eating a carnivore diet

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      jordan peterson

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a fitness aka muscle building board
    Only one of those has complete protein, the other only exists because of ethics and morals

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.0000018905.97677.1f

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn’t take onions isolate

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He drinks milk from a cow tiddy like a baby

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's most cringe to worry about what is most cringe

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore because it's newer so you have a bunch of these fanatical retards that treat it like a religion. Veganism had the same thing in the early 2010s.

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans are annoying as fuck but to their credit 90% of them admit that it's an incomplete diet that requires some kind of supplement to get sufficient B-vitamins

    Carnivore diet literally just makes no sense and exclusively exists to scam bro science retards

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Scam them into what? Coming off all their medications, spending less money on fake food and having a good life?
      Sounds horrible.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unless you have extremely specific autoimmune problems that probably only like a million people globally suffer from there is no legitimate reason to only eat meat. It's not healthier for you. It's not better nutritionally. It's not even good for building physique.

        In fact it'll probably just make you bloated as fuck from the lack of anti-inflammatory foods in your diet

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you tried it for a week you wouldn't be saying that shit.
          There is ZERO EVIDENCE that it is less healthy than any other diet. Zero real, hard evidence. So shut your fucking trap you little fag.
          >its not even good for building physique
          Explain this doctor who has been strict carnivore for 3 years and on and off carnivore for 20 years being a fucking sculpted gigachad then.
          https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G9kwPr3IboM

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            See

            Vegans are annoying as fuck but to their credit 90% of them admit that it's an incomplete diet that requires some kind of supplement to get sufficient B-vitamins

            Carnivore diet literally just makes no sense and exclusively exists to scam bro science retards

            Carnivore because it's newer so you have a bunch of these fanatical retards that treat it like a religion. Veganism had the same thing in the early 2010s.

            https://i.imgur.com/Lbb31zD.jpg

            >HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Compelling argument.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You posted an obvious grift lol. Stick with it though anon, maybe one day you won't get so butt hurt about what other people think of your fad diet.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Explain this doctor who has been strict carnivore for 3 years and on and off carnivore for 20 years being a fucking sculpted gigachad then.
            Nobody has verified a thing he says and he makes money selling a diet. He has no other income. That's the explanation. He pretends to be a neurosurgeon, but there is no indication of him working anywhere doing that anywhere online. On his LinkedIn page it says "Hospital" and the only verified work experience as a doctor was internship that ended in less than a year. He's a grifter and a swindler.
            Good explanation?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Skulls on the left aren't even Homo Sapiens. Which genus Homo is it or is it merely a shoop?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Eczema is not one in a million. Carnivore cured me whereas drugs and "clean eating" made marginal improvements.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is no "cure" for eczema and the fact that you believe eating nothing but meat supposedly cured it just shows that this is on the same level as holistic cancer cures and other snake oil treatments

            If you can show me compelling evidence that eating nothing but meat somehow cures skin conditions I'll believe you but if you're just going to say "trust me bro" you might as well be buying healing crystals while you're at it

            https://i.imgur.com/PmTYxaK.png

            If you tried it for a week you wouldn't be saying that shit.
            There is ZERO EVIDENCE that it is less healthy than any other diet. Zero real, hard evidence. So shut your fucking trap you little fag.
            >its not even good for building physique
            Explain this doctor who has been strict carnivore for 3 years and on and off carnivore for 20 years being a fucking sculpted gigachad then.
            https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G9kwPr3IboM

            Plenty of evidence in this very thread. "Just try it bro". That's the extent of your guys supposed evidence that eating nothing but meat, something the human body isn't adapted to, is healthy.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              It worked for me I dont have to convince anybody of anything. Plenty of others have experienced the same

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >source: trust me bro

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody has to trust me or anyone else they can try it for themselves and trust their own eyes

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                And when it doesn't work you assholes have plenty of excuses, victim blaming, and of course online consultations and supplements to sell. I'm morbidly fascinated by the shitshow you carnivore garden gnomes are running. Truly the worst of humanity, all with crabs in bucket mentality to get patreon and affiliate code scraps from butcherbox from the finite amount of idiots out there, all the infighting, all running the same grift. Amazing. It's better than anything on telly.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not a fad. The original human diet was mostly meat and animal foods. The "animal diet" has been used medically since 1797

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then where are all the multigenerational carnivores who discovered THIS ONE ANCIENT SECRET and felt so good as marketing promises and passed the wisdom to their children?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                They are all our ancestors. Wisdom has been overridden by processed food marketing and plant based propaganda. Some are rediscovering this wisdom and others choose to bury their head in the sand.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Surely for example royalty around the world would have been documented of eating THIS EXTREMELY BASED ANCESTRAL DIET THAT SUPERCHARGES VITALITY since history began, yes? Or did Oatly's marketing somehow mess up Sumerian god-kings 10000BC like you allege? Fucking hell you idiot scum are delusional.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                A bunch of whataboutism non arguments to preserve your myopic worldview. Have a nice life

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not whataboutism to point out that this ANCIENT ANCESTRAL WISDOM CARNIVORE DIET was not practiced by anyone anywhere among elite of the society over all recorded history. You'd think there would have been direct succession of ANCESTRAL WISDOM DIET in Sumerian or Vedic records as they transitioned into EVIL GRAIN FARMING FOR NO REASON AT ALL but no there isn't. Or that European royalty would have known the benefits for millenniums since Greeks over to Napoleonic era but no. There is at least 10000 year gap of "all our ancestors" missing and nobody during that time rediscovered and rekindlet and passed on to their kids your stupid fucking fad diet. kys

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muh ancestors
                They had no idea what they were doing. They where just doing whatever they could to survive. If you gave them a truckload of fruit, I guarantee they would drop whatever meat they were eating and go straight for the fruit.

                Compare yourself to an actual carnivore like a cat. If you're walking in the park and see a bird or squirrel go by you, do you instinctively chase after it and try to eat its raw flesh? Even if you don't have to chase it and it's already dead, a normal person is repulsed by the sight of a dead animal. Compare that to if you're walking in a park and see an apple tree or berry bush, much more likely to stop and eat off of it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are so stupid its comical

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >don't have protein receptors on taste buds
                >teeth/finger nails not strong enough to tear through hide of animals

                but
                >muh colon

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What is a stone tool?
                Your brain is atrophied from lack of animal foods.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >culture living in extremely cold climate where agriculture is nearly impossible eat a primarily meat based diet

                Holy shit you must be a genius this is the key to figuring out the ancestral diet

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You continue to embarrass yourself. Keep it up I need some more laughs

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What is this supposed to mean

                It's just a list of the general time farming started in each region

                Do you understand that you can eat plants without farming

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Good luck eating 20 pounds of broccoli. Jesus christ you really are retarded.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think you're the retard for assuming that I'm saying humans should never under any circumstances eat meat

                All I'm saying is that vegetables and fruits are an important staple of the human diet for a large variety of reasons

                It isn't healthy to eat nothing but meat. You're being manipulated by people selling you a fad diet.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is nothing in fruits or vegetables you can't get from animal foods. Eat them if you like I still do occasionally but thinking they're necessary if delusional.

                >brocoli is the only plant

                Nuts are the most calorie dense foods on the planet. Fruit is just as calorie dense as meat.

                >Fruit is just as calorie dense as meat.
                Not available most of the year or at all in some climates. No its not and its lacking in almost every nutrient required for life.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hey insufferable fucking gay, reply to this would you

                It's not whataboutism to point out that this ANCIENT ANCESTRAL WISDOM CARNIVORE DIET was not practiced by anyone anywhere among elite of the society over all recorded history. You'd think there would have been direct succession of ANCESTRAL WISDOM DIET in Sumerian or Vedic records as they transitioned into EVIL GRAIN FARMING FOR NO REASON AT ALL but no there isn't. Or that European royalty would have known the benefits for millenniums since Greeks over to Napoleonic era but no. There is at least 10000 year gap of "all our ancestors" missing and nobody during that time rediscovered and rekindlet and passed on to their kids your stupid fucking fad diet. kys

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post any evidence that human health improved post agriculture. Hint all evidence points to the opposite. Nothing more to say to you idiot

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck you braindead spastic fucking ADHD gay bitch, stay on topic would you. You allege this

                https://i.imgur.com/blRhflo.jpg

                They are all our ancestors. Wisdom has been overridden by processed food marketing and plant based propaganda. Some are rediscovering this wisdom and others choose to bury their head in the sand.

                and then dodge answering what I'm pointing out here

                https://i.imgur.com/pSAQml5.jpg

                Surely for example royalty around the world would have been documented of eating THIS EXTREMELY BASED ANCESTRAL DIET THAT SUPERCHARGES VITALITY since history began, yes? Or did Oatly's marketing somehow mess up Sumerian god-kings 10000BC like you allege? Fucking hell you idiot scum are delusional.

                and here

                It's not whataboutism to point out that this ANCIENT ANCESTRAL WISDOM CARNIVORE DIET was not practiced by anyone anywhere among elite of the society over all recorded history. You'd think there would have been direct succession of ANCESTRAL WISDOM DIET in Sumerian or Vedic records as they transitioned into EVIL GRAIN FARMING FOR NO REASON AT ALL but no there isn't. Or that European royalty would have known the benefits for millenniums since Greeks over to Napoleonic era but no. There is at least 10000 year gap of "all our ancestors" missing and nobody during that time rediscovered and rekindlet and passed on to their kids your stupid fucking fad diet. kys

                . Reread, reply properly, stay on topic. Anyone without a severe mental illness and brain damage can do it, can you?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There is nothing in fruits or vegetables you can't get from animal foods. Eat them if you like I still do occasionally but thinking they're necessary if delusional.

                This is quite possibly the most retarded carnivore diet cope I've ever seen

                You can get all the nutrients you need from potatoes. Does that mean it's healthy or beneficial to eat nothing but potatoes?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You can get all the nutrients you need from potatoes
                You literally can't. You really are retarded. Calories are not nutrients. Going to let the average IQ of this thread drop to near zero and go eat a nice steak. Later gays

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay have fun with your gout and heart disease in 5 years you fucking retard

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>gout
                >>'disease of the rich'
                >>Rich people who could afford to eat imported sweets and drink a lot of alcohol too. it was just the meat.
                >>A disease linked to over-indulgence similar to type 2.
                and alcohol can cause flares
                >>just the meat tho

                disease
                >>all the "studies" we have showing meat is bad for the heart are observational/self-reporting-tier with weak controls. 'meat eater' diets are SAD-tier. ~clearly the only difference is the meat gais~
                heart attack not described until 1912. Humans did not eat a lot of meat before this time, honest guys.
                disease skyrockets in populations that begin eating more akin to SAD. But definitely because of the meat. Not all the extra carbs or anything
                it's the meat which all of these populations have consumed for eons!
                muh "high cholesterol"
                >>low cholesterol actually linked with higher all case mortality. LDL assists in repairing damage, doesn't cause it. So high trigs are the real issue, not high LDL. Doctors are slowly waking up to this
                fudges stats so they can sell statins for miniscule benefits in male patients and 0 benefit in females

                >>but muh cancer risk
                cells can't use ketones, only glucose
                >>all carbs break down into glucose

                >>b-but "the science" says....

                Exactly what I said here. Science is a lot more complicated than a bunch of media conglomerates fear-mongering and misconstruing the findings of a bunch of white-coats chasing grants and funding money. It's slower, too.

                curioser and curioser.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Problem with that kind of black and white thinking is that you personally get to decide which you label as real science and which you label as white-coats chasing grants.

                I'd bet when you see a scientific proclamation in the media that you don't like you immediately assume its the latter without bothering to check if the study was published in a reputable journal, the methodology or sample sizes.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Where's the black and white thinking? I'm not "labeling" anything. Just pointing out the same thing any decent researcher would tell you; most studies are bullshit or at best, to be taken with a grain of salt. For shits and giggles, here's a study showing that;

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/

                No need to project your own laziness on me, anon. I don't immediately assume shit, unless it's a trash website i guess. Usually, at best, a good study only provides another piece to the puzzle. You gotta pull back to see how the image is shaping up. I've done that repeatedly with nutrition science and it still boggles me how complicated it really is. But when you actually look into it, what I said is what you find. Every time I look into a 'meat is bad' study, there is always at least one major flaw that minimizes their argument. Usually poor controls.

                But it doesn't take a genius nor shitloads of "studies" to figure out that a healthy human diet requires the inclusion of animal products to be healthy. Just like I don't need studies telling me that the sky is blue. (though the breadth of scientific research supports both)

                Have you ever saw a science story in the media and thought "this is total bollocks" and then looked into it and found out you were wrong?

                Or have you magically been 100% correct every single time with your initial guess, and are so wise you are never shocked by an unexpected discovery, you know, like actual scientists tend to be when exploring new fields of study.

                >>Have you ever saw a science story in the media and thought 'this is total bollocks'
                No. Just varying degrees of suHispanicion depending on the claim.

                >>have you magically been 100% correct every single time with your initial guess
                No. eg; I used to think plants were healthier than meat. I learn shit all the time.

                I go out of my way to study shit that might surprise me. I like surprises, and it's the best way to learn. Ever look into genetic research? Shit is bonkers.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >But it doesn't take a genius nor shitloads of "studies" to figure out that a healthy human diet requires the inclusion of animal products to be healthy.

                Well there you go. I can easily say it doesn't take a genius nor shitloads of "studies" to figure out that you DON'T require animal products to have a healthy diet, because there is literally nothing in animal products that we need that we cannot find from another source.

                The animals we eat don't just magically generate nutrients and minerals that exist nowhere else but inside them. Any nutrients we get from animals are either from plants or are generated in replicable chemical processes.

                You claim that you REQUIRE animal products to have a healthy diet. Name one thing which is required for a healthy diet that you can ONLY find in animal products, and that there is literally no available supplement.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Have you ever saw a science story in the media and thought "this is total bollocks" and then looked into it and found out you were wrong?

                Or have you magically been 100% correct every single time with your initial guess, and are so wise you are never shocked by an unexpected discovery, you know, like actual scientists tend to be when exploring new fields of study.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                name one plant-only nutrient we need but can't get from animals. just one.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                All the essential fatty acids exist only in plants. It's the reason why anyone doing carnivore diet for a while becomes permanently brain damaged and which is why there are no high functioning people doing it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>All the essential fatty acids exist only in plants.
                3s and omega 6s

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Which primarily (when talking about animals) come from fish. The most common form of the carnivore diet is based on red and white meats, sometimes even just reds.

                Although if I were the guy making that comment I would have said most. The fact only two types are available in meats still shows that they lack essential fats.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The funny part is I agree that you can (probably) get all the nutrients you need from meat. It's just inefficient and unhealthy.

                Vitamin C is a perfect example. There's literally no reason to try and get it from meat when you can so easily get it from fruit, something that is low calorie and overall good for you.

                To get the same amount of vitamin C from meat I assume you'd probably have to eat excessive amounts of animal liver which will give you too much of other vitamins and either way isn't good for your cardio vascular health.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                vit c competes with glucose so you need more to compensate when eating higher carb. When you are eating low-carb, your vit c requirement drops down drastically since you can use it more efficiently. You can get enough with just muscle meats honestly (esp if you eat grass-fed), but liver's great to eat on occasion too and will boost that up. Carn/ketovores aren't getting scurvy for that reason. It's a non-issue unless you eat higher carb.

                I'd argue it's not inefficient or unhealthy whatsoever. Animals can be raised on poor quality land, and animal products have a higher nutrient density. it's much easier to raise animals for food than it is to tend to a year's worth of crops. Still hard work either way.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You carnivore retards are genuinely dumbest fucking people on this planet. Post body and proof of your highest acquired education right now.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >brocoli is the only plant

                Nuts are the most calorie dense foods on the planet. Fruit is just as calorie dense as meat.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you actually choose one of the human populations with the worst health record as your example?
                Cringe

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Our ancestors also treated illness with anti-demon rituals and drinking dogs piss. Just because a practice didn't outright kill our ancestors doesn't make it the healthiest option. They suffered the same risks of eating raw meat as every other animal (less so for actual carnivores, but the same risks as other omnivores).

                Yeah processed food generally is shit, but cooking meat is healthier than eating it raw. There is a reason our hunter gatherer ancestors started doing it, and it wasn't because of pro-cook propaganda.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've rediscovered the wisdom of our ancestors, and that is to cook food. I'd rather be close to my intelligent hunter gatherer ancestors than my raw meat eating proto-mammalian ancestors.

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Being op.

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Carnigay be like
    >totally not a fad it's ancient wisdom
    >has nothing to show from ancients practicing it consistently for generations
    many such cases, basically an evil shill bot without a soul, a fat fucking donkey with a micropenis and no real job

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I eat what I want when I want. Simple as.
    >inb4 fatty
    155lbs 5'11.75"

  43. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    check'd. Nothing. Nothing is more cringey then either.

  44. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    fits current obsession with diet is making the board unusable

  45. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The vegan shills exist only to enrage. Bad actors to destroy your health with ideology

  46. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both are high level retarded. Veganism is probably more reasonable in many ways but the movement itself is just gayer too so I'm gonna go ahead and say veganism is cringier.

  47. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    vegans for the fake moral grandatanding

  48. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder for those of you who think an animal diet is a great idea:

    - Carnivores have sharp teeth used to shear meat and do not chew their food. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores have the ability to make thier own Vitamin C. Humans do mot.
    - Carnivores have very strong stomach acid to digest rotting meat. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores stand with their leg muscles in a flexed position at all times. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores generally have four legs and sharo claws. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores typically have a thick coat of fur to protect them from the elements and danger. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores have the ability to remove excess dietary Vitamin A. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores have the ability to remove excess uric acid from a high protein diet. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores prefer their food raw and unseasoned. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores have taste receptors for protein on their tongues. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores generally eat 30% of their bodyweight in one sitting. Humans do not.
    - Carnivores tend to eat once every seven days. Humans do not.

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