what's the consensus on seed oil
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Makes you sick but it's in everything so it's hard to avoid. Best bet is to cook your own food as much as possible. If you go a week without it and then eat it again you'll probably shit yourself
what do you use to cook your food?
Butter? Ghee? Pam?
Why would you add hundreds on nutrient void calories to your food. Fill those calories with nutrient dense foods that actually help you
Butter or lard.
>but those aren't healt-
Good enough for great grandma good enough for me.
Pork fat or olive oil. Works wonders.
EV Olive Oil, Avocado Oil (which is made using basically the same process as olive oil), butter (including ghee). generally anything that isn't produced using chemical solvents
don't eat anything a farmer from the 1880s couldn't have reasonably obtained or produced
>everything so it's hard to avoid
It's only in things you shouldn't be eating in the first place.
Except maybe bread (sometimes) and wraps. I hate I can't find any wraps without them.
>you should eat bread
have a nice day
>don't eat the food that the human race has been thriving on for ten thousand years
>follow this diet/supplement plan and inject trt like this guy on youtube told me so. You're a onionboy if you don't!
I'd say have a nice day but you already are.
>human race
plebians*
Better for frying. Other oils are a meme.
Bad - coconut oil, ghee, avocado oil are alright.
what make avocado oil so good?
Is it because it has a high smoke point?
Yes and its neutral flavor and relative cheap cost. EVOO is good too but you have to find a good source. If you are in the states avoid imported oil, most is rancid oe cut with sneed oils
why are united statians not capable of regulating simple food items? this stuff is thirdie tier. just have your government agency test [food] and if you find crap that's not declared and/or doesn't belong, you take them off the shelves and serve a juicy fraud lawsuit. how hard can it be?
Why do you think its the governments job to make fruit loops 6% healthier and not your job to not buy them
i don't think that. your interpretation of what i wrote just isn't very good. :^)
Dont worry, it is
Avocado oil is goyslop
fat & brown fingers
canola oil is fine
>turning solid seeds
>into liquid oil
Do you believe this witchcraft?
I have never seen people turn seeds into oil ever in my life.
Body can't break it down. If you only consume seed oils and no sugar, you'll still get diabetes. Sneed oil kills your liver. Both sugar overconsumption and seed oil overconsumption will cause diabetes.
how do you cook your food then?
Cook?
i use ghee for high heat cooking, butter for low-medium. nta
Beef tallow.
>what's the consensus on seed oil
Bad for you.
Avoid as much as possible, both as ingredient in foods, and in bottled form.
If you want to learn why, research the effects of Unsaturated Fats on Health.
Do be aware that in the 1970s, the sugar industry tried to blame saturated fats for health problems, and seed oil companies also fund research trying to prove they are healthy, so be careful and suspicious of articles and papers claiming unsaturated fats are "good for you".
>how do you cook your food then?
You have 3 options to replace seed oils whn cooking :
- Butter
- Beef Tallow
- Olive oil.
Olive oil can essentially replace Seed Oils everwhere, as it is similar type oil but low in unsaturated fats compared to seed oils.
Enjoy your burned food
I don't think I've ever cooked anything at that high a heat, I just use tallow and it works fine for me. If you've ever watched any restaurant cooking footage you can see their woks smoking a lot.
canola oil doesnt handle these temperatures, ive seasoned carbon steel pans enough times to know when these oils smoke A LOT
Now where is ghee
>Enjoy your burned food
I was smply responding to OP's question you muppet.
You're aware modern Seed Oils were invented in the 19th century and the popularized for food purposes in the 20th century?
Did people who lived before the 20th century all burned their food because Seed Oils were not invented yet?
If almost all our ancestors thrived without the need for seed oils then we can too.
Your argument is moronic when you take into account the entire motherfricking History of Humanity.
where is ghee you pointy nosed frick, go back to your shilling tunnels
>If you only consume seed oils and no sugar, you'll still get diabetes
This is true of literally any isolated fat.
seed oil bad is pushed by keto-tards, Joe Rogan, and people who think correlation = causation. seed oil usage is a lot higher nowadays and obesity is a lot higher nowadays too, but oil PERIOD isn't good for you.
>but people who don't eat seed oils are healthier!
yes, because they actually care about their diet. people who care about what they eat are healthier than people who don't care, shocking.
it's fine in moderation and not worth having a meltdown over if your food is cooked in canola and not olive oil.
>This anon gets internet in sub-Sahara Africa
Do you have concepts like direction, movement, and time, yet?
we have an agent of WEF in the thread, i repeat we have an agent of WEF in the thread, do not listen to this Black person
jews working hard
it seems like health anons are getting worked up by something that's actually a fairly small part of a diet. like if you're using it to brown meat in a recipe you use a tablespoon or two tops and then you discard it after you're done. it seems like the refined sugar will get to you way before the oil does since you're ingesting pounds of the stuff
Great for cooking, good for making schizos fly off the handle
the new consensus is midwit contrarians will claim they are just fine
Theres is zero, I mean literal zero research that suggests that sneed oils are harmful
QED
>if nothing supports my worldview it means...le israelites are hiding the truths!
No-one has mentioned israelites. I think you might be obsessed. Shalom.
Their consumption is a signicant commom denominator amongst the morbidly obese. Im pretty sure morbid obesity was extremely rare before their widespread adoption. You can tell a fat person who has eaten a lot of seed oils by loose and droopy their rolls of fat are
I mean I can just prove it's bad with math.
365 days in a year
average vegetable oil amount per day is 250 calories.
that's about 73000 calories, or 20lbs of fat in a year. Which with youth is easily accountable and discarded.
However by the time you hit 27 and teenage hormones are done?
by thirty that would be 60lbs of fat in three fricking years you'd gain.
Hell teenagers aren't even active anymore, which is why they are 200+ lbs at 20 now days.
>Anonymous 03/27/24(Wed)04:03:12 No.7391
>Bro it's just a coincidence that morbidly obese people all use vegetable oils
>haha bro I correlated two things without establishing a causal link, this is science!
homies doing astrology
>bro you're a Black person if you think that fat people drinking vegetable oil is bad
All you're "proving" is that consuming lots of calroies makes you fat. I mean, no shit captain? Why zero in on vegetable oil in particular? You think butter or whatever fad diet tickles your balls this week has somehow better, slimmer calories?
>haha bro all you're doing is proving what causes obesity just stop bro haha
Some calories boost metabolism, and are preferentially used as energy, and other calories reduce metabolism, and are preferentially stored as fat. Pufas are the kind of calories that reduce metabolism and are preferentially stored as fat, it's one of the mammalian mechanisms to go into hibernation.
>Some calories boost metabolism, and are preferentially used as energy, and other calories reduce metabolism, and are preferentially stored as fat. Pufas are the kind of calories that reduce metabolism and are preferentially stored as fat, it's one of the mammalian mechanisms to go into hibernation.
Lets pretend its true. Nothing about this sounds like harm. Reduced metabolism is correlated with increased lifespan, for one. When it comes to weightgain and weightloss, CICO is the ultimate measure anyway.
omegas aren't understood well enough to make a claim like that. Not that it matters since you aren't getting most of your fats from seed oils anyway unless your diet is nothing but deepfried shit. Inflammation is not a bad thing in the first place.
We have had zero evolutionary exposure to seed oils. The onus is on you to prove they safe to consume. Not mine to prve they are harmful. Requiring data that does not exist in order to make any claim whatsoever is pure reddit tier bullshit. Nothing in nutrition science is able to make cause and effect conclusion, so expecting citations is moronic. Use your common sense instead
>omegas aren't understood well enough to make a claim like that.
We know for a fact that our ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 is suppose to be 1/3rd.
We can prove this with cholesterol levels, people who sustain 1/3rd ratio of omega 3 live longer in all cases all other factors aside.
Vegetable oil automatically negates this ratio just by existing.
Because it is loaded with pro inflammatory omega6s that no amount of fish could balance. Because it is prone to rancidity and causes oxidative stress on the body.
Name one thing in nutrition science that isnt based on correlations. You talk about research as if it means anything special.
Water is necessary for life
Water is also the reason we age.
Where do you think oxidation comes from?
Nothing I've said was incorrect hope one day you can stop trying to be combative and admit when you are wrong
I'm not wrong, I also didn't say you were wrong.
I am telling you objectively, that the reasons human both live is because
>we drink water and breathe air
and also we age and die because
>we drink water and breathe air
both things cause oxidation.
This is basic chemistry, we literally create peroxide in the body to negate the damage of both things released by the liver in an enzyme form.
The more you know newbie.
Not reading your blogpost.
I know you're mad, but you'll still have to cope.
I know you're mad, but you'll still have to cope.
Bad.
Oxidizes into aldehyde.
>Bro it's just a coincidence that morbidly obese people all breathe air
Skinny people don't eat an abundant amount of vegetable oil.
If you're going to shitpost, you need to put effort into this dude.
I know you want to troll, but it has to have effort first.
>Skinny people don't eat an abundant amount of vegetable oil.
Yes I Do. Why would you lie, you gayget
Feed oil.
Olive seed oil is the worst out of the bunch
People who reject this are a threat to our democracy
how the frick is this cheaper than just using the extra fat from a butcher
Because it would otherwise go to waste now its just being sold back to humans
So much of these crops are subsidized and there's such a sheer amount of raw material.
its literally an actual "waste product" things that was used to be thrown away entirely
Vegans will unironically defend this
vegans love their coconut/avocado oil, the goy oil sloppers are the people eating fast food every day
Naw, vegans love goy oil
I've been studying diet for 6-7 years now and to this day the only justification I see for oils is
>at least it's not saturated fat
Like a low-fat diet isn't considered by these guys. Olive oil is mostly MUFA so they're not comparable, so I find it odd how some of the "Mediterranean" diet guys are so defensive of seed and fish oil.
There is an argument about "essential" fatty acids (linoleic acid) from PUFA. The "essential" amount needed is so low that half a walnut would give you more than enough according to guidelines. This confuses me to why every AHA approve diet plan always recommend so much fricking fat. Less fat = more lean protein and carbohydrates while also achieving weight loss goals by reducing your daily calories because it's actually pretty hard to eat over 2500 kcal with primarily potatoes, grains and lean meat.
Our ancestors were fine with butter, lard and olive oil for thousands of years until very recently, they taste better and to me it somehow just feels more natural cooking with them. That said I haven't really seen the whole "sneed oils bad" thing outside of IST so they're probably okay as long as you don't deep fry everything in it like a fat frick.
here comes the muhcestors claim. Your ancestors succumbed to common cold and tooth decay, not exactly role models for survival and health.
True but that was due to poor medical knowledge rather than anything else. The diet our ancestors ate was obviously closer to nature than now, and it's no coincidence that the obesity crisis coincides with the prominence of ultraprocessed food.
>diet our ancestors ate was obviously closer to nature than now
Why is this a good thing? Is nature a good thing? Really? The same nature that is a host to millions of different diseases, parasites, molds, poisonous animals and plants, vicious predators, toxic compounds, seasonal draughts, extreme hot and cold periods, tornadoes, hailstorms, that nature? What makes you think that this hellhole wants you to live well? It killed 99% of species that ever inhabited it already.
Black person went from food to hurricanes
the vegan hivemind knows no boundaries between common sense and spamm campaign fiction
> vegan/jew
>vegan
I'm literally saying that nature is our ultimate enemy, are you mentally challenged?
no, nature isnt our enemy
we simply have enemies in nature that weve adapted to that isnt part of ultra-processed foods heat treatment, artificial flavours, additives/preservatives or other chemicals at all.
even parasites is something we learnt to deal with long before anyone was mass producing foods that could last for weeks.
We're talking specifically about food here, obviously natural food is better because our bodies have evolved over millions of years specifically to eat it.
>The same nature that is a host to millions of different diseases, parasites, molds, poisonous animals and plants, vicious predators, toxic compounds, seasonal draughts, extreme hot and cold periods, tornadoes, hailstorms, that nature? What makes you think that this hellhole wants you to live well? It killed 99% of species that ever inhabited it already.
All of those things are good, survival of the fittest homie
Are seed oils good for you? No. When people talk about seed oils though they usually mean as part of processed garbage or fried food. If you replaced seed oils in the southern diet with butter or lard how much of a difference would it make in obesity rates? Close to zero. Does putting canola/vegetable/peanut oil on a salad make you fat? No, it doesn’t. There is no reason to eat seed oils. I’d much rather have animal fats instead. But it’s always some scapegoat. Used to be high fructose corn syrup. People are losing the forest for the trees. If you eat a lot of processed or fried food you are probably going to be fat even if it’s cooked in the finest lard from free range grass fed cows. When I cut I eat mostly boiled potatoes, plain chicken, yogurt, and vegetables. It tastes like shit but it’s so easy to do. If you focus on some scapegoat without fundamentally changing your diet you’re not going to see results
avoiding ubiquitous scapegoats is genuinely a good way of fundamentally changing your diet.
Until this becomes so popular that it's easy to find poptarts and candy with "NO SEED OIL" banners.
> canola plant
> commerical press
> pushing out gummy slop
> degum with hexane (neurotoxin)
> heat treatment x3-4 times @405 degrees (sneed oil heat resistance is limited to 107 degrees)
> comes out rancid
> deodorize with sodium hydroxide (carcinogen) its only smellz
> put on the shelves in large factory warehouses with bright lights
(any vegetable oil should always be bottled in glass material in a dark, cool storage place)
> oxidative stress (accelerated aging, poor gut health, obesity)
ie - foods that oxidize easily leads to worse quality of life, accelerated aging & become fatter
easpecially ultra processed waste products designed to fatten up mentally ill goys consuming israeli medication/vax
promoting seed oils is the most israeli thing you can do
Just eat it everyday with your preferred cola to improve your gains
Processed food was literally made for you to eat. "Natural" is just some bullshit that someone found laying around somewhere.
what are common differences in foods being either ?
a) natural
b) processed
c) ultra-processed
The only food that consistently gives me nausea if I eat too much of it. 4-8 hours after eating the wrong kind of fried greasy stuff I want to hurl unless I spent that time chugging down water. It's very weird, animal fats don't have the same effect, fish does but only occasionally.
I avoid fried foods when I can. Popping shit in an oven is more convenient anyway.
Look up rat studies feeding the same subjects the same amount of calories but different types of fat.
Look up the process of how these oils are made compared to fruit oils for example like olive. Why are they made tasteless and odorless? Why is industrial waste supposed to be thrown out converted into oil that's now suddenly "safe" for human consumption and sold back to us?
Look up when they were first introduced. Look up when modern diseases like heart disease/cancer/diabetes first started to become a big problem.
Look up who funded the studies suggesting cholesterol/animal fat is "bad".
>Look up rat studies feeding the same subjects the same amount of calories but different types of fat.
I dont care what rats do, same rat studies raised the alarm about every chemical known to man, remember the recent horseshit about sucralose?
>Look up the process of how these oils are made compared to fruit oils for example like olive. Why are they made tasteless and odorless? Why is industrial waste supposed to be thrown out converted into oil that's now suddenly "safe" for human consumption and sold back to us?
They're made with advanced automated machinery like 90% you see on the market. I'm sorry its not a jolly fat italian fat stomping his feet on olives or some other rustic type shit like that. Oil is bleached odorless because most people use it in cooking and dont want their food and kitchen to stink. You can buy unrefined oil with odor if thats what you like. Many things used to be industrial waste products before finding their market, whey protein used be considered garbage byproduct they used in cattle feed.
>Look up when they were first introduced.
Thousands of years ago. The mass consumption began during the industrial age though, yes, because machinery made them commercially viable
>Look up when modern diseases like heart disease/cancer/diabetes first started to become a big problem.
Nothing about any of these diseases is modern, they existed since forever. Whats modern is our ability to inspect them on cellular level and describe their particulars.
>Look up who funded the studies suggesting cholesterol/animal fat is "bad".
Competitive market is competitive, what else is new? Every study is funded by someone, papers dont write themselves.
>Why are they made tasteless and odorless?
i assume to make them more suitable for cosmetics, who would buy the israelite that is lighter tasting oil ie. we rebranded putting more soi oil in which we do anyway without labeling it
"Seed Oils are le bad" is 50/50 meme
I would challenge people to consider that while shortening is some pretty questionable shit, it was in the American diet for like 70 years and people weren't falling apart from eating Grammy's biscuits or any birthday cake made prior to the 1st Bush administration, and shortening is a funky spin on vegetable oil. Ditto for peanut oil being used to fry chicken for probably a good century or so. Also, there are seed oils that are out there we don't use much in the West like sunflower oil, and Eastern Europeans aren't bloating and falling apart.
That said, it's added to way too much shit - Palm oil in everything as an additive, basedbean oil in everything - and we eat tons of deep fried shit while being more and more sedentary than ever before.
Deep fry less and mind your intake of oily foods if you're concerned about it.
seed oils was invented with crisco in 1911 and being used as candles and engine lubricants
Didnt become commonly used until the 1980s because of toxic substances in it and the time needed for advertisement to pull through
year dates matching up perfectly with obesity and heart failure statistics
>eastern euros aren't fun size
oh no no no who's gonna tell him
The consensus is I don't like em
Same as the vaccines. The cautionary principle alone is enough to avoid these oils like the plague until science can conclusively prove they are safe and healthy to consume. I have no idea why reddit gay intellectuals require definitive proof to avoid something, that by doing so, they lose absolutely nothing while potentially avoiding harm. It's a very simple risk calculation.
Until then, stick to animal fat which humans have most certainly adapted to over millions of years.
A litre a day minimum. You want to bulk up and have a healthy heart, right? Then drink up.
Mike Israetel from Renascence Periodization said they are ok.
Chuck
Convenient
I lift and do cardio enough to not care about them
People worried about becoming a troony from consuming sneed oils are just neets who don't lift
seed oil rhymes with sneed oil so its le funny
Like you people have room to talk.
Sorry but you're all wrong 🙂
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8048052/
Consumption of butter and margarine was associated with higher total and cardiometabolic mortality. Replacing butter and margarine with canola oil, corn oil, or olive oil was related to lower total and cardiometabolic mortality. Our findings support shifting the intake from solid fats to non-hydrogenated vegetable oils for cardiometabolic health and longevity.
Unlike you, I don't just accept correlation as causation. I throw away ALL observational data if it's presented without any higher-grade clinical evidence. It's simpler to say that we don't know rather than falling for following the herd who can't know like a blind sheep.
corn oil is not like the others, isn’t margarine corn/soi oil anyway
Maybe not every evil attributed to them is true, but most of those were used as engine oil before they were used for food, and I'm sure as hell not going to fry my food in Castrol Syntec
>not going to fry my food in Castrol
pussy
What do you think?
Do you think consuming a product that requires a lot of material, machine labor, industrial solvents and deoderizers is going to have 0 effect on you?
How much effect would it have to have on your health to stop consuming it?
-10%? -20%?
I avoid it as much as i can but im not going to be autistic and turn down a meal from family or friends or refuse to eat anything at a restaurant.
The consensus of credit experts? It’s more healthy than butter or animal based fats
The consensus amount health grifters and anonymous internet schizos? Its literally the devil.
>The consensus of credit experts? It’s more healthy than butter or animal based fats
Are you part of the credit expert tribe, anonstein?
Blah blah blah, I don’t care
tell me, are the credit experts disproportionately made up of a very specific ethnicity that has a vested interest in destroying fertility rates of other groups?
the israelite will support anything harmful, they don’t give a shit about gentiles