what's the consensus on which training is best for naturals if the objective is to gain the most muscle?

what's the consensus on which training is best for naturals if the objective is to gain the most muscle? strength or hypertrophy?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Both

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    just lift heavy things man idk

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      literally this
      lift heaving thing until muscle burn and cant lift anymore

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    powerbuilding, do ppl but start your days with compounds, do either 3x2 or 5/3/1, then the rest of your workout should be hypertrophy focused

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is the strength/hypertrophy dichotomy even that meaningful?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes, because you can significantly increase strength (short term) without increasing size. and while more size means more strength potential, the ways to realize them aren't exactly the same.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      for 90% of people no.

      You'll get really aesthetic (if you're lean) in 5 years even with pure strength programs, and conversly you'll get really strong if you do pure hypertrophy work for 5 years.

      Unless you want a really really aesthetic phyisque, or if you want to be really really strong there's no reason to focus on one.

      Look at Ronnie Coleman who was doing elite powerlifter numbers at fricking 6% bodyfat.
      And look at Hafthor bjornsson who's fricking huge in terms of hypertrophy at 6'10 even though he's not even a bodybuilder

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the consensus is its individual depending on (You) and (You)r genetics anon

    The beauty of this hobby is to find out what works for you

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >if the objective is to gain the most muscle
    >strength or hypertrophy?
    hypertrophy literally means gaining muscle size...

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You will never have a big chest benching 135
    You will never have big legs squatting 185
    Figure it out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. If you have to ask whether you should focus on strength or hypertrophy you are not strong enough to focus on hypertrophy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. If you have to ask whether you should focus on strength or hypertrophy you are not strong enough to focus on hypertrophy.

      If you're only benching 135 you'll get plenty stronger doing any good hypertrophy routine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Strength 100% and its not up for a debate.

      This right here. There are a grand total of 0 naturals who are big but have weak lifts. It just doesnt happen. Everytime you see a guy hiding behind the dumbbell rack doing pump work out and they are "juicy", it's roids/sarms. 100%.

      There are naturals who are strong but dont look that good, but there are no naturals who look good but arent stronger. Every single guy that I've seen packing some size with lean bf, they have been able to bench 3pl8, do OHP with 50kbs dumbbells etc.

      I trained for 10 years like a bodybuilder and sure I had a decent body got mires and all but it wasnt until I lifted 2/3/4/5 that I actually started to look what I consider juicy. The problem is that people delibitarely misinterpret this as some powersharter fantasy. No, Im not telling you to get fat and do zero accessory work. Im telling you to get fricking strong and then finish up with cable flies, bicep curls, lateral raises etc. But your sole goal should be even with bicep curls and everything to lift as fricking heavy as possible. Which guy has bigger arms, a guy doing alternating db curls 4x12 with 15kg or a guy doing db curls 4x12 with 35kg? I mean your goal is progressive overload right? Why are you progressive overloading? For no reason? No, because being able to do your sets with bigger weights means that you are more muscular, stronger and bigger.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >There are a grand total of 0 naturals who are big but have weak lifts.
        wrong. also there are tons of naturals who are strong but small.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How's he wrong? Do you know many people who are big and do 15kg dumbell curls? On the other hand yes I've seen dyel skinnyfats with decent lifts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've seen guys in the gym and on IST who aren't that strong but still look great.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    who knows

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hypertrophy, doing strength to try and get size is a dumb meme which should have died long ago, don't fall for that dumb shit.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can get stronger in higher rep ranges of 10-15 its just slower progression. Last year I put 40lbs on my bench 10rm

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Basically for hypertrophy you want to pick a few basic core movements:
    (pull ups, front squat, RDL, Incline DB press, lateral raises, OHP, bicep curl, Barbell row etc...)

    And basically try to get as strong as posible in the 6-20 rep range. The version of yourself that can do pull ups for reps with one plate will always have a bigger back than the version that can't do that.
    The version of you that can incline bench 100 lb dumbells with almost certainly have a huge chest.

    Strength is a bit more complicated, just follow programs made by people who know what they're doing.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Eat your eggs and lift heavy things

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    alex leonidas on yt

  14. 1 month ago
    SAGE

    >GUYZ WHICH TRAINING METOD MAKES U GET MORE MUSCLES? THE STRENGTH ONE OR THE MUSCLE BUILDING ONE?

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