chinups 100%
easier due to biomechanics, more importantly it is easier to progress (i.e. +2,5kg in chinups is in my estimation 2-5 reps easier than +2,5kg pullups)
as noted in your picture, lat engagement is similar, so:
better progression, heavier weights, easier biomechanics (and thus less form degredation) will result in better workout
if you are serious about back training, you will almost certainly include any kind of rows to your workout routine, which will hit the traps way better than any pullup variation could do
note i'm not hating on pullups, i just state the fact, that it is easier, safer and most probable way to stimulte the desired areas with chinups as a progression tool
I do wide grip pull ups because they are the hardest pull ups to do. They also give the most lat and forearm activation. Biceps can be built more efficiently by curls.
By skipping out on full ROM wide grip pull ups. Youre weakening your lats by a significant margin. Chin ups are for the absolute worst bottomfeeder curl bros. How about you actually train areas youre weak in instead of looking for easy cop outs?
just as [...] said, easier to progress =/= easier. If you can put on +10kg on your chinup, on top of it easier to maintain form. I'd also argue that heavy wide grip pullups for a longer peroid of time will result in injuries if not changed up, but don't quote me on that - you can watch it up on your based boy and wide pull up advisor alphadestiny(tm) who himself said that you should not do this indefinitely
so what exactly are you arguing about, except trying to feel superior by switching hands on the bar ayylmao
>easier progress doesn't mean it's easier
Lmao at your life. Couldn't be me.
I do 3x8 with 45lbs. And can do 1x5 with 90lbs. You guys are only doing chin ups because you're afraid of doing the work. You can progress with wide grip. But you're assuming that adding 10kg faster on chin ups makes it better. It doesn't, because most of that progress goes into your biceps. You want actual back and lat gains. Not biceps gains.
>you're afraid of doing the work
no one is afraid, it is simply easier to perform, faster, more controllable and has nearly 100% predictable progression table. you are punching shadows and claming things out of nothing. >But you're assuming that adding 10kg faster on chin ups makes it better. It doesn't, because most of that progress goes into your biceps
imagine progressing +2,5kg weekly on one of the smaller muscles, according to you, since lats dont get engaged in a chinup apparently. truly brainwashed by his own LARP creation hahahahhahah >You want actual back and lat gains.
every EMG data shows miniscule differences in lat activation, again your larping creation knows no boundaries
time to leave ze 4chins friend, it doesn't do you good, seriously.
Nta but easier to progress =/= easier.
For me it's pullups nonetheless.
said, easier to progress =/= easier. If you can put on +10kg on your chinup, on top of it easier to maintain form. I'd also argue that heavy wide grip pullups for a longer peroid of time will result in injuries if not changed up, but don't quote me on that - you can watch it up on your based boy and wide pull up advisor alphadestiny(tm) who himself said that you should not do this indefinitely
so what exactly are you arguing about, except trying to feel superior by switching hands on the bar ayylmao
Both. Prefer doing pull-ups, they just feel more like a back exercise. If I had to choose one probably pull-ups, but I can’t help but wonder about what Dorian Yates said. According to him your biceps will give out before your back on pull-ups, overhand lat pull-downs so even if the lag activation might be slightly higher, you’re still better off going reverse grip because you’ll be able to work the muscle harder since your biceps won’t give out first. Can’t help but wonder if he’s right, but I just do both
Pull-ups/Chin-ups are great, but like Deadlifts, not worth the effort for the gains when you could be doing far easier exercises for the same hypertrophy results.
honestly being able to do dozens of pullups is pretty much my only motivation rn
i dont really care about the other benefits of being IST
i am currently at 0 pullups ever.
pullups
supplemented with (reverse) curls
I am the weakest at regular pullups so I do those.
I alternate every pull day.
Chinups because of my shoulder.
neutral grip pullups
as long as chinups feel easier, I will do pullups
chinups 100%
easier due to biomechanics, more importantly it is easier to progress (i.e. +2,5kg in chinups is in my estimation 2-5 reps easier than +2,5kg pullups)
as noted in your picture, lat engagement is similar, so:
better progression, heavier weights, easier biomechanics (and thus less form degredation) will result in better workout
if you are serious about back training, you will almost certainly include any kind of rows to your workout routine, which will hit the traps way better than any pullup variation could do
note i'm not hating on pullups, i just state the fact, that it is easier, safer and most probable way to stimulte the desired areas with chinups as a progression tool
>t. +35kg chinup for 3x5, 82kg
>easier
>Wanting it to be easy
Pathetic
I do wide grip pull ups because they are the hardest pull ups to do. They also give the most lat and forearm activation. Biceps can be built more efficiently by curls.
By skipping out on full ROM wide grip pull ups. Youre weakening your lats by a significant margin. Chin ups are for the absolute worst bottomfeeder curl bros. How about you actually train areas youre weak in instead of looking for easy cop outs?
Nta but easier to progress =/= easier.
For me it's pullups nonetheless.
>easier progress doesn't mean it's easier
Lmao at your life. Couldn't be me.
I do 3x8 with 45lbs. And can do 1x5 with 90lbs. You guys are only doing chin ups because you're afraid of doing the work. You can progress with wide grip. But you're assuming that adding 10kg faster on chin ups makes it better. It doesn't, because most of that progress goes into your biceps. You want actual back and lat gains. Not biceps gains.
Lower your tone.
>you're afraid of doing the work
no one is afraid, it is simply easier to perform, faster, more controllable and has nearly 100% predictable progression table. you are punching shadows and claming things out of nothing.
>But you're assuming that adding 10kg faster on chin ups makes it better. It doesn't, because most of that progress goes into your biceps
imagine progressing +2,5kg weekly on one of the smaller muscles, according to you, since lats dont get engaged in a chinup apparently. truly brainwashed by his own LARP creation hahahahhahah
>You want actual back and lat gains.
every EMG data shows miniscule differences in lat activation, again your larping creation knows no boundaries
time to leave ze 4chins friend, it doesn't do you good, seriously.
just as
said, easier to progress =/= easier. If you can put on +10kg on your chinup, on top of it easier to maintain form. I'd also argue that heavy wide grip pullups for a longer peroid of time will result in injuries if not changed up, but don't quote me on that - you can watch it up on your based boy and wide pull up advisor alphadestiny(tm) who himself said that you should not do this indefinitely
so what exactly are you arguing about, except trying to feel superior by switching hands on the bar ayylmao
You are a DYEL. Start posting when you reach at least 3 year mark of lifting.
Both. Prefer doing pull-ups, they just feel more like a back exercise. If I had to choose one probably pull-ups, but I can’t help but wonder about what Dorian Yates said. According to him your biceps will give out before your back on pull-ups, overhand lat pull-downs so even if the lag activation might be slightly higher, you’re still better off going reverse grip because you’ll be able to work the muscle harder since your biceps won’t give out first. Can’t help but wonder if he’s right, but I just do both
Pull-downs and other machines for back.
Pull-ups/Chin-ups are great, but like Deadlifts, not worth the effort for the gains when you could be doing far easier exercises for the same hypertrophy results.
>tiny back
neutral grip
Dead hangs for heightmaxxinf
neutral grip
>or
It's both + dips during the same workout. Basically all you need for upper body.
Post those 13 inch guns, Chief.
>prove you're a bodybuilder despite not training like a bodybuilder
>you are a DYEL
>no you're a DYEL
Kindergarten.
honestly being able to do dozens of pullups is pretty much my only motivation rn
i dont really care about the other benefits of being IST
i am currently at 0 pullups ever.
Monday, Wednesday, Friday - Pullups
Tuesday, Thursday, Sabbath - Chinups