>posting pictures of completely different people
Lol
That's the point, morons. The guy on the left has been lifting for 2 years to still look like the same almost while the zoomer on the right was a skelly and got to his natty limit within 8 months juicing and never lifting in his life.
Not that many women would be attracted to a guy with this face and skin color, but his body was more desirable when he was natty. And him being a brown ricecel you just know he did it to get white women.
He has more chances getting women now than being a DYEL zoomer, look at his Instagram, young LA partnership, he's partying hard, living life while being surrounded by zoomettes.
Lift and stay natty and that won't happen until you're 80. My 85 year old grandfather is going downhill pretty hard but he still walks, drives, fricks old ladies, goes on vacation, and overall enjoys his life. He never lifted but was always moving and active. Don't use age as an excuse to be a loser.
Girls don't care about you being huge, moron. Otter mode slays more pussy than anything. Still getting pussy in my 80s doesn't mean I'm not getting pussy now.
You reach and maintain ottermode more easily on a few cycles of anavar only.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Why would you take drugs that harm you to maintain something that's easily maintainable natty anyways.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Because they don't actually harm you? If you see the risk profile to be lower than doing weed, comparable to doing advil, you'd be more open to the idea.
Also it's fun to be able to lift almost every day pretty hard and feel pumped.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>because they don't actually harm you?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Specifically if you do low-dosage cycles of anavar or other orals that are comparable to the dosages and lengths that researchers have performed on burn victims, muscular dystrophy patients, elderly men, and healthy controls. I don't care what wannabe ronnie coleman types do.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>low-dosage cycles of anavar
i assume you do this- what have the results been like for you?
what kind do you buy, and is there anything you have to look out for?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Gaining 10lb of lean newbie gains in a month of bulking instead of 2lb. Lifts increasing in strength basically every 3-4 days.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Orals are more harmful for you than injectables, and you should be on low dose test with orals at a bare minimum anyway
2 months ago
Anonymous
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This dumb Var Black person advocating for oral only cycles in every roid is moronic
Nah, orals are far less harmful than injectibles. There's a reason orals were developed after injectibles were known for decades already. They are much better dose-response and lower risk.
2 months ago
Anonymous
they're harsh asf on your lipids just like injectables and ruin your liver
2 months ago
Anonymous
Anavar doesn't do shit to liver, it acts through kidneys, and its lipid impact is negligible.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Do var long enough without a test base and you'll develop gyno
2 months ago
Anonymous
Anavar doesn't aromatize moron
2 months ago
Anonymous
what are you on about? anavar is still hepatotoxic and still does a number on your lipids. it's jut less harsh than something like superdrol or dbol
2 months ago
Anonymous
The only known cases of hepatotox come from bodybuilders. The clinicals studies where it is administered under label dosages don't have significant amounts of toxicity.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You are fricking moronic
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Nah, orals are far less harmful than injectibles
This is objectively false.
Being scared of needles won't protect your liver.
2 months ago
Anonymous
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This dumb Var Black person advocating for oral only cycles in every roid is moronic
they're harsh asf on your lipids just like injectables and ruin your liver
You are fricking moronic
Light dose anavar only cycle is totally fine on your liver and will still give you huge gains that will keep even after you hop off (of course you'll decrease a bit tho). You'll forever be an enhanced individual.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You will make shitty gains while shutting down ur t production
Id rather just pin 500mg of test instead and use some low dose of Var on a blast as a pre workout
2 months ago
Anonymous
test shuts down t production way worse than anavar for less gains. That's the whole reason anavar and other steroids were invented. To dodge all the androgen pathways test is associated with.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Post body VarBlack person
2 months ago
Anonymous
Nah I weigh 163lbs lean. I'm just lazy/busy
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Id rather just pin 500mg of test instead and use some low dose of Var on a blast as a pre workout
classic crab bucket roider brainrot. >JUST BE A JUNKIE LIKE ME!!!!!! No, you'll gain nothing on these pills! Yeah, you'll get jacked still and have significantly lower sides, but you won't be AS JACKED as if you just pin and completely frick yourself!!
2 months ago
Anonymous
You still haven't posted ur Var only body my homie
2 months ago
Anonymous
Orals are more harmful for you than injectables, and you should be on low dose test with orals at a bare minimum anyway
This dumb Var Black person advocating for oral only cycles in every roid is moronic
Yes I want more quality time with my kids and future grandkids. Maybe everyone you know is a moron lardass but I know 80-90 year olds who lift and write books and publish papers and enjoy life.
I wonder how guys like this feel when they hit 50 and their body is a wreck and they realize that they haven't magically lost the will to live just because they got older.
Truth is no one actually likes roided bodies. Women find the disgusting, normies think they are freaks, and nattychads get the last laugh by maintaining normal sized testicles and not deflating like a balloon cause we dont have to worry about career ending injuries like tearing your pec
I don't get why roidtrannies are so invested in trying to make making others roid
Seems like sunk cost and trying to fool others into this stupid decision
>brah just a litlle cycle brah you wont regret it brah come on now be like all the wrinkly tangerine looking motherfrickers in your 30ies or a gigantic acne ridden zoom which wont last till his 30ies hahah bro those 20lbs of muscle are worth it
I have no qualms with roidbros, but roid Black folk who actively seduce kids and "aspiring instagram powerlifters and bbuilders" are fricking nogs of lowest caliber
Steroids make you better looking and more confident meaning you get better partners and it increases your sex drive.
Roiders are having better and more sex than you.
You can cope about early death but it's true.
>any roided zoomer whos lifting for a year mogs the shit out of you >mogs
Maybe that guy impresses you and gets your wiener hard. But
https://i.imgur.com/0ThvV7Z.jpg
This is just under a full year of natty and I’ve yet to see another roided up lifter my age mog me yet
Better luck next time
(actually just a couple percent leaner and a couple percent more muscular in the shoulders) is literally all you need to be in great shape. Women will admire your body, you'll also look and feel good and will live for a very long time. Plus, it won't be a b***h to maintain.
And you'd look even better with less effort if you didn't fall for all the misinformation about roids "halving your lifespan" and "aging you/making you bald".
I am the person in this picture.
For some reason, one of the resident schizos here went crazy over this picture and has been posting it everywhere.
Of course anyone who uses steroids is going to look better than this in just a few months.
when i saw this post, i said aw what a cute little dog. memories came back to me about the state of the world. the horrible things ive seen, all the fat mexican mutts rolling their babystrollers around my neighborhood who werent here 10 years ago, justices letting violent criminals who slap people and piss on the subway walk free, laken riley, now im in a worse mood . i just hate cute animal pictures theyre a pointless waste of time.
If you lift for women, you will want to stay natty. The amount of women who like 200 pound hulk monsters is about the same amount of men who like women with G cup tiddys, it’s not the average.
If you lift to mog other men, then use, go ahead and hop on gear.
> The amount of women who like 200 pound hulk monsters is about the same amount of men who like women with G cup tiddys,
So like literally all of them? Also, 200lbs is quite small for a biological male of average height (6’0”)
Gear is fine if you want to be absolutely massive I guess. It's not worth it if you just want to be sustainably fit—as in something that can be maintained for decades without centering your life around the gym and eating. I'll never be the biggest/strongest guy in my gym, and I don't care.
>natural >getting gains
lol, lmao even
as a natty tard you are lifting the whole year to put not even 5lbs of muscle if you have everything perfect dialed in
I will take left, thank you.
In 20 years I will still be fully healthy, my body will stay tight and my heart 100% functional.
In 20 years the roidtroony will have deflated after he's forced to go off roids due to his heart (or any other organ) critically failing on him.
david laid is a bad example because he always looked much smaller in his videos than in his pics. even during his prime. dude is the king of posing, filters, lighting and a bit of adobe magic
>dude is the king of posing, filters, lighting and a bit of adobe magic
most of them are, I've met nippard and he looked like a kid next to me and my friend
i didnt. i realized the opposite actually
i understand when you are 17 and you think its a race that you need to get big muscles to get laid fast but to look the way you want to look you have to keep lifting for the rest of your life. When you are 25, 30, 35, it doesnt just suddenly end when you achieve your body.
This might sound racist, but when you see a jacked influencer, check if he is asian. If he is, he probably isn't 6' so you can't compare him to yourself.
when I was 45, wasn't recovering, felt like shit and found out my test was 180, went on TRT, felt amazing and said frick it, let's go underground and double the dose
yeah bro im such a jacked alpha juicer who could rape you if wa- >ACK!
anons drug addiction skyrocketed his blood pressure eventually causing a cerebral blood vessel to burst leaving him a bedbound vegetable eating through feeding tube. his soul begging for death, but unable to signal this to the outside world
look how tanned he is too. he's a pale redhead. probably on melanotan. combination of shit aging genes and gear and god knows what else. I've known people blasting that look younger than their age
The problem with natty lifting nowadays is that natties are bombarded with false information (regarding lifting and nutrition) and have reverse body dysmorphia thanks to make natty influencers (more modern problem due to internet) and Hollywood (fake natties such as Arnold).
Many natties think that following a roidtroony brosplit made for roidtrannies with a 500% increase in metabolism (fat burn), recovery and muscle growth is a good idea, when in reality they aren't pushing themselves hard enough because they just don't recover properly when training that often. The meme is that you need at least 200g of protein a day also stems from roidtrannies, simply because they are able to utilise that amount thanks to enhanced recovery (as a natty you need 80-100g per day tops).
To look good as a natty you need to train for 5 years AT LEAST (contrary to what 15%+ BF permabulkers say about 2-3 years and you've made it, they just look at their fatceps and think "yeah, i'm a beefcake).
And, lastly, is the idea that you can ignore your health and lifting until 30, and then delusionally thinking that you can "start at any time bro". Your body and frame are fully formed by 30, you should be at your natty peak by then. To sum up your average natty who makes nogains:
>trains more than 3 times a week and doesn't train to failure with negative reps each time >trains for less than 5 years consistently and complains about being "small" >thinks you need supplements (creatine/protein powder/preworkouts/etc) when in reality it's a 1% "boost" at most >has reverse body dysmorphia from the get-go thanks to influencers >is over 180cm/5'11 and thinks he'll be muscular
When I reached 30 years old and still had no friends, no sex, no career, no housing, no goals, no ambition, and no life and realized all my lifting was for nothing because it did nothing to help me
when you're 45, if you ever make it to 45, and your doctor tells you you have heart failure, and you're feeling extreme anguish over your mistakes leading up to this point, don't frickin make a thread about it, Black person
so it also widens your nose and entirely changes your hair and skin tone?
Yes gear will change your skin and face especially hgh. Testosterone will too. A face does not naturally look like this..
Roider trying to gatekeep.
No you can do anavar and maintain perfect skin. You could do a few cycles and be a muscular twink femboy if you really wanted.
are you acoustic
That's the point, morons. The guy on the left has been lifting for 2 years to still look like the same almost while the zoomer on the right was a skelly and got to his natty limit within 8 months juicing and never lifting in his life.
Not that many women would be attracted to a guy with this face and skin color, but his body was more desirable when he was natty. And him being a brown ricecel you just know he did it to get white women.
He has more chances getting women now than being a DYEL zoomer, look at his Instagram, young LA partnership, he's partying hard, living life while being surrounded by zoomettes.
>posting pictures of completely different people
Lol
Zoomers hate seeing others succeed
literally grooming or just useful idiot?
When I realized that in the end, it doesn't even matter
At the 10 year mark.
why did it take you so long, anon
Cut your lifespan in half for an extra 20 lbs of muscle that you'll lose anyway if you ever get your drug addiction under control.
Yeah, wouldn't want to miss out on that later half of life where you watch your body decay in real time until one of your vital organs shuts down.
Lift and stay natty and that won't happen until you're 80. My 85 year old grandfather is going downhill pretty hard but he still walks, drives, fricks old ladies, goes on vacation, and overall enjoys his life. He never lifted but was always moving and active. Don't use age as an excuse to be a loser.
Won't happen until you're 80 if you lift natty and you're lucky I should say. Unlucky it'll be 60. Average it'll be 70.
>miss out on being huge in your prime so you can live frick decrepit granny pussy in your 80's
Girls don't care about you being huge, moron. Otter mode slays more pussy than anything. Still getting pussy in my 80s doesn't mean I'm not getting pussy now.
You reach and maintain ottermode more easily on a few cycles of anavar only.
Why would you take drugs that harm you to maintain something that's easily maintainable natty anyways.
Because they don't actually harm you? If you see the risk profile to be lower than doing weed, comparable to doing advil, you'd be more open to the idea.
Also it's fun to be able to lift almost every day pretty hard and feel pumped.
>because they don't actually harm you?
Specifically if you do low-dosage cycles of anavar or other orals that are comparable to the dosages and lengths that researchers have performed on burn victims, muscular dystrophy patients, elderly men, and healthy controls. I don't care what wannabe ronnie coleman types do.
>low-dosage cycles of anavar
i assume you do this- what have the results been like for you?
what kind do you buy, and is there anything you have to look out for?
Gaining 10lb of lean newbie gains in a month of bulking instead of 2lb. Lifts increasing in strength basically every 3-4 days.
Orals are more harmful for you than injectables, and you should be on low dose test with orals at a bare minimum anyway
Nah, orals are far less harmful than injectibles. There's a reason orals were developed after injectibles were known for decades already. They are much better dose-response and lower risk.
they're harsh asf on your lipids just like injectables and ruin your liver
Anavar doesn't do shit to liver, it acts through kidneys, and its lipid impact is negligible.
Do var long enough without a test base and you'll develop gyno
Anavar doesn't aromatize moron
what are you on about? anavar is still hepatotoxic and still does a number on your lipids. it's jut less harsh than something like superdrol or dbol
The only known cases of hepatotox come from bodybuilders. The clinicals studies where it is administered under label dosages don't have significant amounts of toxicity.
You are fricking moronic
>Nah, orals are far less harmful than injectibles
This is objectively false.
Being scared of needles won't protect your liver.
Light dose anavar only cycle is totally fine on your liver and will still give you huge gains that will keep even after you hop off (of course you'll decrease a bit tho). You'll forever be an enhanced individual.
You will make shitty gains while shutting down ur t production
Id rather just pin 500mg of test instead and use some low dose of Var on a blast as a pre workout
test shuts down t production way worse than anavar for less gains. That's the whole reason anavar and other steroids were invented. To dodge all the androgen pathways test is associated with.
Post body VarBlack person
Nah I weigh 163lbs lean. I'm just lazy/busy
>Id rather just pin 500mg of test instead and use some low dose of Var on a blast as a pre workout
classic crab bucket roider brainrot.
>JUST BE A JUNKIE LIKE ME!!!!!! No, you'll gain nothing on these pills! Yeah, you'll get jacked still and have significantly lower sides, but you won't be AS JACKED as if you just pin and completely frick yourself!!
You still haven't posted ur Var only body my homie
This dumb Var Black person advocating for oral only cycles in every roid is moronic
Yes I want more quality time with my kids and future grandkids. Maybe everyone you know is a moron lardass but I know 80-90 year olds who lift and write books and publish papers and enjoy life.
Hope you've been jogging or swimming then. Way more important than natty or not
I lift and bike a lot and eat well. I’m active.
Don't get hit by a car. Cheers to your health and long life.
>Jogging
>Living longer
Ohnonono
That’s better than your body and organs decaying 30 years earlier cuz you wanted to look like a chad for other dudes
>t. Peaked in college
I wonder how guys like this feel when they hit 50 and their body is a wreck and they realize that they haven't magically lost the will to live just because they got older.
Steroids is the gateway drug to weed.
There's no way dude on the left was seriously working for size
When did you ever lift?
You will decay as an elderly person at 50 yo
Older steroids users are a haunting sight. They look sick, big distended belly, melted skin and a facial expression of pain
The side effects are more lasting than crack
You can't come off
Truth is no one actually likes roided bodies. Women find the disgusting, normies think they are freaks, and nattychads get the last laugh by maintaining normal sized testicles and not deflating like a balloon cause we dont have to worry about career ending injuries like tearing your pec
a little stealth trt is perfect though
you get those roid gainz but still keep the natty mires
Any amount of roids that doesn't frick your health won't have enough of a noticeable effect to justify it anyways.
It's like 3-10x faster muscle building even on very low dosages.
A low dose of test will not 3x your gains you moronic Black person.
Anavar. Test is for bodybuilders who don't mind taking roid wienertails and ruining their hormones/skin/hair.
Mild doses of roids and there are no health consequences.
Everyone LOVES roided bodies. Athletes, actors/actresses, soldiers, firemen, psycho wallstreet gays who wanna snort lines of coke and still look good.
Years natty just look like a fat sack of shit
I don't get why roidtrannies are so invested in trying to make making others roid
Seems like sunk cost and trying to fool others into this stupid decision
Nah I just realized it's really good and wanna help my friends on 4chuds. I could care less if normies roid or not.
im not a roider but natty lifting is killing my will to keep going to the gym, i just wanna be big and shredded
Do you think that will make you happy? If so, I have bad news for you
Getting pussy will make me happy
I'm a roider and I make roid troony threads because I don't want anyone else to get big.
Same
it's a death cult, they need others to join them so they can feel okay with it
Just like being a gay. We don't call em roid trannies for nothing.
>brah just a litlle cycle brah you wont regret it brah come on now be like all the wrinkly tangerine looking motherfrickers in your 30ies or a gigantic acne ridden zoom which wont last till his 30ies hahah bro those 20lbs of muscle are worth it
I have no qualms with roidbros, but roid Black folk who actively seduce kids and "aspiring instagram powerlifters and bbuilders" are fricking nogs of lowest caliber
Crabs in a bucket mentality. Roid trannies are inferior in every way. Worthless parasites.
The crabs are the ones who fraud but claim natty and tell you roids will litterally kill you
>inferior in every way
Yeah just bigger, stronger, better looking and having more and better sex.
Other than that completely inferior. Lol
>bigger, stronger
well, duh
>better looking and
roids can't fix your face and height, friend
>having more and better sex
lol, lmao
>better looking and having more and better sex.
Has nothing to do with steroids, lmfao.
Steroids make you better looking and more confident meaning you get better partners and it increases your sex drive.
Roiders are having better and more sex than you.
You can cope about early death but it's true.
This is just under a full year of natty and I’ve yet to see another roided up lifter my age mog me yet
Better luck next time
you look like you never touched a single weight in ur lfie
any roided zoomer whos lifting for a year mogs the shit out of you
>any roided zoomer whos lifting for a year mogs the shit out of you
>mogs
Maybe that guy impresses you and gets your wiener hard. But
(actually just a couple percent leaner and a couple percent more muscular in the shoulders) is literally all you need to be in great shape. Women will admire your body, you'll also look and feel good and will live for a very long time. Plus, it won't be a b***h to maintain.
And you'd look even better with less effort if you didn't fall for all the misinformation about roids "halving your lifespan" and "aging you/making you bald".
What is your routine?
I am the person in this picture.
For some reason, one of the resident schizos here went crazy over this picture and has been posting it everywhere.
Of course anyone who uses steroids is going to look better than this in just a few months.
will roids get rid of my beer belly though?
when i saw this post, i said aw what a cute little dog. memories came back to me about the state of the world. the horrible things ive seen, all the fat mexican mutts rolling their babystrollers around my neighborhood who werent here 10 years ago, justices letting violent criminals who slap people and piss on the subway walk free, laken riley, now im in a worse mood . i just hate cute animal pictures theyre a pointless waste of time.
I'm honestly just lifting to have the amount of muscle and untrained man in his 20s would have when I'm in my 80s.
If you lift for women, you will want to stay natty. The amount of women who like 200 pound hulk monsters is about the same amount of men who like women with G cup tiddys, it’s not the average.
If you lift to mog other men, then use, go ahead and hop on gear.
> The amount of women who like 200 pound hulk monsters is about the same amount of men who like women with G cup tiddys,
So like literally all of them? Also, 200lbs is quite small for a biological male of average height (6’0”)
He revealed himself as dyel manlet unfortunately. I am 6'0 200lbs natty 6 years and am wide but have a pretty normal body
Yeah I’m 6’0” 200lbs and 15% bf and I look like an averagely fit guy.
so? he took so much shit he turned into a chinaman? i dont get it
Gear is fine if you want to be absolutely massive I guess. It's not worth it if you just want to be sustainably fit—as in something that can be maintained for decades without centering your life around the gym and eating. I'll never be the biggest/strongest guy in my gym, and I don't care.
I’m natural and stronger than every roid troony at my gym.
Genetics > gear
You can't buy gene therapy with bitcoins so roids are the next best thing.
>You can't buy gene therapy with bitcoins
You can sell BTC for dollars at any time tho?
I mean there isn't gene therapy for vanity purposes. It does not exist.
Being a 300lbs fatso doesn't count
The natty won't troon out
These threads should be banned. Same fricking cope posts every time.
>DO ROIDS OR ELSE YOU’RE WASTING YOUR TIME
>UHHH I DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE LONG ANYWAYS LOL, I DON’T MIND WASTING THAT TIME
Literally have a nice day OP. Nobody cares about your fricking blog and you will not change anyone’s mind by posting here.
steroids give people a gay aura and steroid muscles look weird and too many muscles are ugly
normal people work out because it's fun + still get gains
>natural
>getting gains
lol, lmao even
as a natty tard you are lifting the whole year to put not even 5lbs of muscle if you have everything perfect dialed in
Why is left unappealing to you? Why do you need more than that?
I will take left, thank you.
In 20 years I will still be fully healthy, my body will stay tight and my heart 100% functional.
In 20 years the roidtroony will have deflated after he's forced to go off roids due to his heart (or any other organ) critically failing on him.
>20 years
too generous, the roider will explode way earlier, 5 years tops
>the roidtroony will have deflated
Sure but he'll keep so those muscle nuclei and deflate to a size bigger than a natty.
not true. when you are off, you are off
This happens to bodybuilders who roid stupidly. Compare retired baseball sluggers.
The gym pic is also super pumped. The contrast from no pump to pump is fricking insane when you're lean.
david laid is a bad example because he always looked much smaller in his videos than in his pics. even during his prime. dude is the king of posing, filters, lighting and a bit of adobe magic
>dude is the king of posing, filters, lighting and a bit of adobe magic
most of them are, I've met nippard and he looked like a kid next to me and my friend
>roid
>get big fast
>snap tendon
>lose gainz
I laugh.
Depends on your goals.
For me, I just want an in shape body and be healthy and strong.
Mentally ill people can roid for all I care
i didnt. i realized the opposite actually
i understand when you are 17 and you think its a race that you need to get big muscles to get laid fast but to look the way you want to look you have to keep lifting for the rest of your life. When you are 25, 30, 35, it doesnt just suddenly end when you achieve your body.
This might sound racist, but when you see a jacked influencer, check if he is asian. If he is, he probably isn't 6' so you can't compare him to yourself.
there's nothing wrong with being racist towards soulless chink bugmen
another thinly veiled racist comment.
There's nothing veiled about that you stupid dysgenic Black person
when I was 45, wasn't recovering, felt like shit and found out my test was 180, went on TRT, felt amazing and said frick it, let's go underground and double the dose
Roiders are in the same category as trannies to me
They think they can attain natural beatuy with drugs
I know a natty guy who lifts for 10 years and looks absolutely great. Demoralization thread
then post his body
yeah bro im such a jacked alpha juicer who could rape you if wa-
>ACK!
anons drug addiction skyrocketed his blood pressure eventually causing a cerebral blood vessel to burst leaving him a bedbound vegetable eating through feeding tube. his soul begging for death, but unable to signal this to the outside world
If you go on a date you should tell her you'll be needing lots of medical care after 40 just to lay it out there.
Genetic loser roid troony detected. You are inferior and worthless just like your ancestors
today I remind them
Looks better on right
>early 20s
>looks now badly aged mid to late 30s
Atleast he doesn't look like a chud now
look how tanned he is too. he's a pale redhead. probably on melanotan. combination of shit aging genes and gear and god knows what else. I've known people blasting that look younger than their age
The problem with natty lifting nowadays is that natties are bombarded with false information (regarding lifting and nutrition) and have reverse body dysmorphia thanks to make natty influencers (more modern problem due to internet) and Hollywood (fake natties such as Arnold).
Many natties think that following a roidtroony brosplit made for roidtrannies with a 500% increase in metabolism (fat burn), recovery and muscle growth is a good idea, when in reality they aren't pushing themselves hard enough because they just don't recover properly when training that often. The meme is that you need at least 200g of protein a day also stems from roidtrannies, simply because they are able to utilise that amount thanks to enhanced recovery (as a natty you need 80-100g per day tops).
To look good as a natty you need to train for 5 years AT LEAST (contrary to what 15%+ BF permabulkers say about 2-3 years and you've made it, they just look at their fatceps and think "yeah, i'm a beefcake).
And, lastly, is the idea that you can ignore your health and lifting until 30, and then delusionally thinking that you can "start at any time bro". Your body and frame are fully formed by 30, you should be at your natty peak by then. To sum up your average natty who makes nogains:
>trains more than 3 times a week and doesn't train to failure with negative reps each time
>trains for less than 5 years consistently and complains about being "small"
>thinks you need supplements (creatine/protein powder/preworkouts/etc) when in reality it's a 1% "boost" at most
>has reverse body dysmorphia from the get-go thanks to influencers
>is over 180cm/5'11 and thinks he'll be muscular
Don't shoot the messenger.
When I reached 30 years old and still had no friends, no sex, no career, no housing, no goals, no ambition, and no life and realized all my lifting was for nothing because it did nothing to help me
A reminder that roiders don't feel the need to be bucket crabs
OP is most likely being mogged by picrel natty before 2y.
when you're 45, if you ever make it to 45, and your doctor tells you you have heart failure, and you're feeling extreme anguish over your mistakes leading up to this point, don't frickin make a thread about it, Black person
What if someone is already 45, is it ok to take roids then? You can't die young if you're already old.