I spend a lot of time on "recovery" because my muscle strength always increases much faster than my connective tissue making me injury prone. I do low volume for the same reason making my "work capacity" absolute dog shit. What are his thoughts on that?
Not unimportant, just not worth the effort to min-max. People chase little things but reality is most people are not running out of big things. They will start talking about changing or adding stuff well before they reach any sort of real plateau and even then forget that it's just as useful to have fitness be a sustainable portion of a full life. Work hard, eat good food, rest when fatigued. Simple as.
Often it really is a cope. I saw this shit on Everest where these Sherpas (and even non Sherpa Nepalese) just suck it up and haul literal refrigerators up the Himalayas on their back wearing $2 flipflops. They're not Zen masters or anything, when shit has to get done it just gets done
>what is optimal.
Shit won’t ever be optimal anon that is the point. This ain’t vidya where you can minmax a build, sometimes you gotta push through shit cause if you are always worried about recovery you’ll never actually lift
It‘s about balance. Yes, sometimes you have to just fricking do it. Other times you have to give your body a break to recover. Why does it have to be one or the other? As with almost everything, there is no right or wrong, just about being wise enough to know when to apply which.
You speak as a young bachelor anon. Balance doesn’t exist. As life goes on and you get busy with a family and more major life events you realize the importance of making time and pushing through. Recovery becomes less achievable when you have kids to take care of. Sometimes your only time to workout is 4 in the morning, and sometimes you have to choose to get 5 instead of an optimal 7 because if you don’t you won’t get to work out that morning. Life is simple when you are young but you have to choose what’s more important as time goes on, but you find joy in that
I am literally a working single dad of two. If you do not also make time for recovery, everything will implode because everything stands and falls with how well you are doing. Milking yourself dry until there is nothing left is not going to benefit anyone, least of all your kids.
top wagie cope
tracking macros or ever thinking about protein is way more sweaty than having "a full night of sleep" as your rest baseline rather than the exception
it's such a simple and intuitive thing yet the effects are TREMENDOUS
it's not the end of the world if you can't sleelmaxx but don't gaslight other poor anons with your cope
The difference between you and those people is they are trying to work not to build muscle/strength and improve performance. I'm not saying you should be neurotic about recovery just that you should sleep 7-8 hours minimum and eat enough for proper recovery, everything else is overdo and if you don't do those things often enough your progress will slow down or might even stall.
You know this guy says intelligent shit if he is talking to advanced lifters but most people on fitness youtube are beginners. This is similar to his don't program video, if you are a advanced lifter then you will have the intelligence to do it but as a beginner or intermediate his ideas are outright stupid and will make you dyel.
>I perform better after a taper, so I should just perpetually taper and never train properly.
Jesus Christ, you morons who got into lifting at age 20 without ever doing sports are so dumb.
i watched the video, his point was that he enjoys lifting so much that he'd rather just reduce his intensity so he can lift every day without accruing injuries or failing his work sets
i personally noticed the best rate of progression when i increased my intensity and reduced my frequency, prioritizing recovery, so i will continue to train the way i do
i don't think any approach is wrong, it's all just a matter of preference
although the snarky "i hit 180 c&j because i slept all day" comment is disingenuous, you need adequate intensity to see any appreciable gains with low frequency training
many ways to skin a cat
low frequency training seems to work best for hypertrophy, which could explain his opposition to suggestions of reducing his frequency
strength athletes get really angry whenever a hypertrophy-oriented lifter tells them about their hypertrophy-oriented training approach >no dude your cns will be fried if you go above RPE 8 >you'll detrain your movement pattern if you don't train it at least 3x a week dude
yeah but what if my goals don't align with those requirements? what if my current training style works?
lifters really need to stop shitting on things that work for people who have different goals than them, it's very immature
They get angry because hypertrophy-oriented lifters frame everything in exactly those terms, and refuse to accept that people might train for different reasons.
Nobody does oly lifts for hypertrophy, and people who do oly lifts proficiently are not primarily concerned with hypertrophy.
Also, his advice is for athletes/people who train to be more athletic. None of his advice applies to bodybuilders or powerlifters, nor does he pretend it does. >lifters really need to stop shitting on things that work for people who have different goals than them, it's very immature
I agree wholeheartedly, but I'd argue that "bodybuilders" are the most obnoxious in this regard.
I spend a lot of time on "recovery" because my muscle strength always increases much faster than my connective tissue making me injury prone. I do low volume for the same reason making my "work capacity" absolute dog shit. What are his thoughts on that?
Why don't you ask him?
He doesn't think about you at all.
What kind of comeback attempt is that LMAO
The only comeback one needs.
You technically just thought about him though.
Not unimportant, just not worth the effort to min-max. People chase little things but reality is most people are not running out of big things. They will start talking about changing or adding stuff well before they reach any sort of real plateau and even then forget that it's just as useful to have fitness be a sustainable portion of a full life. Work hard, eat good food, rest when fatigued. Simple as.
Did he really stay up the whole time until he hit 180? That’s impressive.
>sleepsisters…
Often it really is a cope. I saw this shit on Everest where these Sherpas (and even non Sherpa Nepalese) just suck it up and haul literal refrigerators up the Himalayas on their back wearing $2 flipflops. They're not Zen masters or anything, when shit has to get done it just gets done
Ofc you can power trough it and run yourself to the ground. The question is not about what is possible but what is optimal.
>what is optimal.
Shit won’t ever be optimal anon that is the point. This ain’t vidya where you can minmax a build, sometimes you gotta push through shit cause if you are always worried about recovery you’ll never actually lift
It‘s about balance. Yes, sometimes you have to just fricking do it. Other times you have to give your body a break to recover. Why does it have to be one or the other? As with almost everything, there is no right or wrong, just about being wise enough to know when to apply which.
You speak as a young bachelor anon. Balance doesn’t exist. As life goes on and you get busy with a family and more major life events you realize the importance of making time and pushing through. Recovery becomes less achievable when you have kids to take care of. Sometimes your only time to workout is 4 in the morning, and sometimes you have to choose to get 5 instead of an optimal 7 because if you don’t you won’t get to work out that morning. Life is simple when you are young but you have to choose what’s more important as time goes on, but you find joy in that
I am literally a working single dad of two. If you do not also make time for recovery, everything will implode because everything stands and falls with how well you are doing. Milking yourself dry until there is nothing left is not going to benefit anyone, least of all your kids.
>sleeping 8 hours is minmaxing
top wagie cope
tracking macros or ever thinking about protein is way more sweaty than having "a full night of sleep" as your rest baseline rather than the exception
it's such a simple and intuitive thing yet the effects are TREMENDOUS
it's not the end of the world if you can't sleelmaxx but don't gaslight other poor anons with your cope
The difference between you and those people is they are trying to work not to build muscle/strength and improve performance. I'm not saying you should be neurotic about recovery just that you should sleep 7-8 hours minimum and eat enough for proper recovery, everything else is overdo and if you don't do those things often enough your progress will slow down or might even stall.
this
doing a RECREATIONAL activity too hard serves no purpose at all, it's actually harmful
>things that have never me happened
Never because I don't do Steroids.
You know this guy says intelligent shit if he is talking to advanced lifters but most people on fitness youtube are beginners. This is similar to his don't program video, if you are a advanced lifter then you will have the intelligence to do it but as a beginner or intermediate his ideas are outright stupid and will make you dyel.
I refuse to believe this guy sleeps for 5 hours and wakes up at 4:40 am then proceeds to do fricking bazooka cleans with my deadlift pr
>bald
Opinion discarded
>When did you realize recovery was unimportant?
when I first did a +1g blast of test
I will literally never listen to morons from the internet for fitness advice.
he looks ugly and tired
maybe he should sleep more
How many surgeries is he on?
What's up with his pupils?
>When did you realize recovery was unimportant?
I am always much stronger and fitter after 1 week off though.
>I perform better after a taper, so I should just perpetually taper and never train properly.
Jesus Christ, you morons who got into lifting at age 20 without ever doing sports are so dumb.
i watched the video, his point was that he enjoys lifting so much that he'd rather just reduce his intensity so he can lift every day without accruing injuries or failing his work sets
i personally noticed the best rate of progression when i increased my intensity and reduced my frequency, prioritizing recovery, so i will continue to train the way i do
i don't think any approach is wrong, it's all just a matter of preference
although the snarky "i hit 180 c&j because i slept all day" comment is disingenuous, you need adequate intensity to see any appreciable gains with low frequency training
many ways to skin a cat
I doubt anyone on the planet has reached a 180 C&J through low frequency training.
low frequency training seems to work best for hypertrophy, which could explain his opposition to suggestions of reducing his frequency
strength athletes get really angry whenever a hypertrophy-oriented lifter tells them about their hypertrophy-oriented training approach
>no dude your cns will be fried if you go above RPE 8
>you'll detrain your movement pattern if you don't train it at least 3x a week dude
yeah but what if my goals don't align with those requirements? what if my current training style works?
lifters really need to stop shitting on things that work for people who have different goals than them, it's very immature
They get angry because hypertrophy-oriented lifters frame everything in exactly those terms, and refuse to accept that people might train for different reasons.
Nobody does oly lifts for hypertrophy, and people who do oly lifts proficiently are not primarily concerned with hypertrophy.
Also, his advice is for athletes/people who train to be more athletic. None of his advice applies to bodybuilders or powerlifters, nor does he pretend it does.
>lifters really need to stop shitting on things that work for people who have different goals than them, it's very immature
I agree wholeheartedly, but I'd argue that "bodybuilders" are the most obnoxious in this regard.
Recovery is essential for natties.
For trannies, nothing really matters besides juicing and doing anything