It's always going to be about time.
Getting to the natty limit is going to take like 10 years - do you want to get there faster? If you CAN, as in you have the knowledge base or coaching to do it faster, you'll have to go with an higher frequency.
But for the normal progression, no need, you're right.
>you'll have to go with an higher frequency
You're limited by natural regeneration and recovery. That's why roidtrannies can train 5-7 times a week since roids literally increase your metabolism (hence 20 year olds look 40 when roiding) and recovery by 500%.
A natty lifting more than 3 times a week is a certified moron.
lmao if you actually believe this your beyond hope. Your recovery can improve with your strength if you train for volume and intensity
5 months ago
Anonymous
>training for strength to look like shit
You are a literal pencil neck geek. I'm natty and train 7 days a week hard that's why I'm jacked and kids like you claim steroids.
You're just fat. Unless you've got a solid six pack, your fatceps are only impressing brainded zoomers.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I've never not had a six pack in my life. I'm 6'3" 215 lean. Never been over 15%.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>6'3 >215
You're nowhere near 15%, let alone lower than that lol
5 months ago
Anonymous
You have no idea how tall 6'3" is. 215 lean is not even close to the peak for a natural.
5 months ago
Anonymous
6'3 is 190cm, 215lbs is 97kg.
If you are 6'3/190cm, then realistically you should be 85kg or 187lbs at natty peak at 12% (assuming natty).
You're most likely just skinnyfat or way over 15%.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>you should be 85kg or 187lbs at natty peak at 12%
According to who? You're the DYEL here you know nothing about a natural composition and what's possible natural with peak genetics. Obviously I have peak genetics being 6'3".
6'3" 215 and 15% bodyfat is an intermediate gym goer. This is far from my final form.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You're a skinnyfat lanklet claiming peak genetics lol, what final form?
5 months ago
Anonymous
What you are suggesting is a skinny average man. I'm afraid you're projecting.
5 months ago
Anonymous
please show please
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a woman I don't take pictures of myself, and I certainly wouldn't post them here. Frick off crabs in a bucket.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you are a poor brown liar
5 months ago
Anonymous
The truth is that it's pretty much impossible to be 6'0+ and muscular, skinny-lean at most. I'll won't ask
I'm not a woman I don't take pictures of myself, and I certainly wouldn't post them here. Frick off crabs in a bucket.
to post his skinnyfat ass, but I do dare you to find me a picture of a 6'3 natty muscular dude (remember - no roidtrannies).
5 months ago
Anonymous
Forgot to add that in OPs pic, the guy on the right is pretty much at around 80% natty peak at that height and at that bodyfat %, that's what tallgays (6'0+) are limited with naturally. Since
I'm not a woman I don't take pictures of myself, and I certainly wouldn't post them here. Frick off crabs in a bucket.
pretty much left the thread and won't post a 6'3 natty muscular guy, we can assume that he conceded.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>in OPs pic, the guy on the right is pretty much at around 80% natty peak at that height and at that bodyfat %
lmaowut
5 months ago
Anonymous
If you want to prove me wrong, post a picture of a muscular 6'3 guy at low body fat (with a visible six pack).
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't want to prove you wrong. I want to deride you for your weak frame of mind and hope that it may contribute to your development of a strong one.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't want to prove you wrong.
You can't prove me wrong though, that's the point. And at 6'3 215 you're skinnyfat.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just lift harder there big stretch. At 6'3" you can bench like 450lbs if you want.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, he's right. Your recovery only improves so far and it's not near as far as your potential strength.
He's being pedantic though. My point was that women love jacked natties the most.
You say that now because you're young and still tripping over your own dick when it comes, but once you have a gf, you'll savor any opportunity to get out of the house and get an hour of alone time.
Women aren't even on my radar but I go to the gym every day because I like it. It's not like I couldn't have women if I want, but it's such a fricking waste of time and high risk in current year.
I'm 6'3" with a 7.75" wiener btw.
Yeah this is a classic IST take, site's not exactly filled with guys who were on their high school football team. In reality most dudes start lifting because of sports.
Funny how sulek started blasting a gram of tren all because some girl broke up with him. Same reason he adopted the “le icky girls in socially awkward!!!” Shtick
Sam sulek seems like a nice enough dude but I'm gonna be happy when he inevitably dies of a heart attack in three to five years. his physique looks terrible and this whole generation incelfluencers that promote blasting ridiculous amounts of gear just to look like a pimple ridden bloated mess are a bad thing for society. atleast zyzz's physique looked good and spread message of improving yourself to get out of the incel hole, suleks message is "hey do a frickload of gear, look terrible, never develop social skills or improve in any way, just do steroids and lift a lot". terrible mentality
c**t there's 8 billion of us, stop worrying about "society". It would take you over 15,000 years just to give everybody alive today 1 minute of your time.
Caring about what's good or bad for society is laughably meaningless. There are just so many people. Everything exists. Every margin, every outlier is now full. Freaks like Sulek are a minority in totality yet a dime a dozen as there's just so many of us. We are not united. It's not possible any more in this digital, mass population age. You aren't a part of something, a group, a people, unless you're talking your local rugby club. So let it go. There are going to be weirdos. They are going to be publicized. They are still going to be the minority. You have no power, no influence. None of it matters. Just do you and forget that anyone else exists. Merry Christmas.
you are fricking moronic if you think that sam sulek doesnt have influence over a majority of zoomers and the upcoming generation of kids that are going to be trying to get big in the gym. you are a little b***h with a narrow mind that doesnt understand how social media or the world works these days.
you fricking clueless b***h. learn how influence works.
I like Sam's personality he seems like a cool guy
But I fricking hate the dudes I'm overhearing at my gym now saying shit like >You don't have to do deadlifts bro; Sam Sulek doesn't do deadlifts
There are plenty of valid reasons not to program deadlifts but for fricks sake Sam's on gear he can do whatever he wants and become huge, he's not who these 20 year old noobs should be taking ques from
The right is infinitely more appealing to women
Sure but he's still a homosexual. Post a natty who lifts as hard as sulek and women won't notice this guy until they need interior design advice.
There's no reason to gymcel 7 days a week like Sam does if you're a natty. As a natty there's almost no benefit to working out more than 2/3x a week
It's always going to be about time.
Getting to the natty limit is going to take like 10 years - do you want to get there faster? If you CAN, as in you have the knowledge base or coaching to do it faster, you'll have to go with an higher frequency.
But for the normal progression, no need, you're right.
>you'll have to go with an higher frequency
You're limited by natural regeneration and recovery. That's why roidtrannies can train 5-7 times a week since roids literally increase your metabolism (hence 20 year olds look 40 when roiding) and recovery by 500%.
A natty lifting more than 3 times a week is a certified moron.
lmao if you actually believe this your beyond hope. Your recovery can improve with your strength if you train for volume and intensity
>training for strength to look like shit
You're just fat. Unless you've got a solid six pack, your fatceps are only impressing brainded zoomers.
I've never not had a six pack in my life. I'm 6'3" 215 lean. Never been over 15%.
>6'3
>215
You're nowhere near 15%, let alone lower than that lol
You have no idea how tall 6'3" is. 215 lean is not even close to the peak for a natural.
6'3 is 190cm, 215lbs is 97kg.
If you are 6'3/190cm, then realistically you should be 85kg or 187lbs at natty peak at 12% (assuming natty).
You're most likely just skinnyfat or way over 15%.
>you should be 85kg or 187lbs at natty peak at 12%
According to who? You're the DYEL here you know nothing about a natural composition and what's possible natural with peak genetics. Obviously I have peak genetics being 6'3".
6'3" 215 and 15% bodyfat is an intermediate gym goer. This is far from my final form.
You're a skinnyfat lanklet claiming peak genetics lol, what final form?
What you are suggesting is a skinny average man. I'm afraid you're projecting.
please show please
I'm not a woman I don't take pictures of myself, and I certainly wouldn't post them here. Frick off crabs in a bucket.
you are a poor brown liar
The truth is that it's pretty much impossible to be 6'0+ and muscular, skinny-lean at most. I'll won't ask
to post his skinnyfat ass, but I do dare you to find me a picture of a 6'3 natty muscular dude (remember - no roidtrannies).
Forgot to add that in OPs pic, the guy on the right is pretty much at around 80% natty peak at that height and at that bodyfat %, that's what tallgays (6'0+) are limited with naturally. Since
pretty much left the thread and won't post a 6'3 natty muscular guy, we can assume that he conceded.
>in OPs pic, the guy on the right is pretty much at around 80% natty peak at that height and at that bodyfat %
lmaowut
If you want to prove me wrong, post a picture of a muscular 6'3 guy at low body fat (with a visible six pack).
I don't want to prove you wrong. I want to deride you for your weak frame of mind and hope that it may contribute to your development of a strong one.
>I don't want to prove you wrong.
You can't prove me wrong though, that's the point. And at 6'3 215 you're skinnyfat.
Just lift harder there big stretch. At 6'3" you can bench like 450lbs if you want.
No, he's right. Your recovery only improves so far and it's not near as far as your potential strength.
He's being pedantic though. My point was that women love jacked natties the most.
You are a literal pencil neck geek. I'm natty and train 7 days a week hard that's why I'm jacked and kids like you claim steroids.
>Hello Mike?
maaaattteee who cares what is appealing to women you fricking dry dumpling shut your god damn mouth or i will shut it for you
You do or else you wouldn't get so defensive about someone pointing it out.
Bruh nobody would go to the gym if it wasn't for women.
You say that now because you're young and still tripping over your own dick when it comes, but once you have a gf, you'll savor any opportunity to get out of the house and get an hour of alone time.
That’s a bad relationship if you feel like that
ok, change "for" to "because". It's always about women.
speak for yourself moron. Jesus you're embarrassing
if there were no other humans and you had everything needed for survival you wouldn't lift ever
Women aren't even on my radar but I go to the gym every day because I like it. It's not like I couldn't have women if I want, but it's such a fricking waste of time and high risk in current year.
I'm 6'3" with a 7.75" wiener btw.
Gays go all the time
didnt play sports detected
Yeah this is a classic IST take, site's not exactly filled with guys who were on their high school football team. In reality most dudes start lifting because of sports.
what about gays?
Water is wet
you people are so fricking sad
Right won't die before the age of 34
stay natty and keep your bodyfat low, you wont get too big.
The fricking state of the hair on the left, he looks dreadful.
Why are you stupid? Size their heads the same then it will be an accurate comparison.
Right is what 6'0+ natties should expect to look like at low body fat at natty peak
Really?
Clen twitch
Funny how sulek started blasting a gram of tren all because some girl broke up with him. Same reason he adopted the “le icky girls in socially awkward!!!” Shtick
Source for these claims?
They came to him in a dream.
good heavens it's like they're two different species.
Ah... "enough"
It's NEVER going to be enough.
Sam sulek seems like a nice enough dude but I'm gonna be happy when he inevitably dies of a heart attack in three to five years. his physique looks terrible and this whole generation incelfluencers that promote blasting ridiculous amounts of gear just to look like a pimple ridden bloated mess are a bad thing for society. atleast zyzz's physique looked good and spread message of improving yourself to get out of the incel hole, suleks message is "hey do a frickload of gear, look terrible, never develop social skills or improve in any way, just do steroids and lift a lot". terrible mentality
c**t there's 8 billion of us, stop worrying about "society". It would take you over 15,000 years just to give everybody alive today 1 minute of your time.
What's your point?
Caring about what's good or bad for society is laughably meaningless. There are just so many people. Everything exists. Every margin, every outlier is now full. Freaks like Sulek are a minority in totality yet a dime a dozen as there's just so many of us. We are not united. It's not possible any more in this digital, mass population age. You aren't a part of something, a group, a people, unless you're talking your local rugby club. So let it go. There are going to be weirdos. They are going to be publicized. They are still going to be the minority. You have no power, no influence. None of it matters. Just do you and forget that anyone else exists. Merry Christmas.
you are fricking moronic if you think that sam sulek doesnt have influence over a majority of zoomers and the upcoming generation of kids that are going to be trying to get big in the gym. you are a little b***h with a narrow mind that doesnt understand how social media or the world works these days.
you fricking clueless b***h. learn how influence works.
its different for every person
I like Sam's personality he seems like a cool guy
But I fricking hate the dudes I'm overhearing at my gym now saying shit like
>You don't have to do deadlifts bro; Sam Sulek doesn't do deadlifts
There are plenty of valid reasons not to program deadlifts but for fricks sake Sam's on gear he can do whatever he wants and become huge, he's not who these 20 year old noobs should be taking ques from