silent deadly killer that slowly damages your heart via hypertrophy of the heart and damaged to your ventricle/valve of your heart.
studies also show runners get swollen ventricles after competition
When will you dummies realise zone 2 cardio damages your heart
This guy talks like he's on the verge of a heart attack with every breath. Watching his videos is anxiety inducing, why would anyone shill for someone so moronic?
he gets angry but he is knowledgeable
Why post a pic of a guy with no verifiable credentials whose entire persona is "im a professor who wears a tie and calls people liars"
>no verifiable credentials
he is dumber than a sock filled with fermented boar cum but still way smarter than you, you fricking mistake
>HEAT
what do you mean by zone 2? vigorous intensity?
Zone two is like lower side medium intensity
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Z2 is still able to talk and do whatever. Very low intensity
>Z2 is still able to talk and do whatever. Very low intensity
That's barely even cardio. Doing 5-rep sets of compounds is genuinely closer to cardio.
Sounds like vaxxie cope
Isn't it the other way around? Slow runners live longer, get sick less, have higher body temperature, etc. This is relevant to my interest because I just started a slow run regiment.
Not vaxxed by the way.
watch this
>live longer
Selection bias. Old people get told to do light cardio for exercise so obviously they live longer. It's like saying prune juice makes you live to your 90s. All the benefits of cardio can be obtained in a fraction of the time just by doing HIIT a couple days a week.
>get sick less
Anyone who exercises, stays natty and doesn't have gay sex gets sick less
>have higher body temperature
Compared to...? More untrained people?
I really don't get what possesses people to do meaningless, unchallenging activity for hours every day when you can just jump rope for 12 minutes and get the same results.
post 5k time
>Selection bias
Agreed on all points except this, you look at any 100+ year old and how they've lived their life and they all have mild and consistent activity in common. No couch potatoes or training addicts.
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yes this guy is either a moron, contrarian, grifter, or shitlord low-medium "conversational pace" intensity cardio is great for your heart
Hey, im kinda worried about this shit. i love to run but ive never heard of OP vid's opinion before. can you expand on why you think low med cardio is good for heart?
if you dont mind i would greatly appreciate it. Cheers
He is partially right. If you train your heart in zone 2 for like 4 hours per day, your heart walls will stretch so much, that valves stop working properly. Like all the guy from tour the france die like flies and have to wake up at night and cycle not to die. They have a resting heart rate in 30s.
But if you jog for half and hour per day, work out 6 hours per week, do ocassional hiit, you are torally fine.
You can ask doctora do echoscopia to check if your valves work fine and your heart doesn't have too high volume. Normally, if your resting pulse above 50, you are fine.
so basically its from being too fit?
i dont think its zone 2 but 3. zone 2 is walking and shit thats fine to do all day
>Like all the guy from tour the france die like flies and have to wake up at night and cycle not to die
THATS MOSTLY DUE TO HEAVY PED USAGE MORE THAN ANYTHING
>wake up at night and cycle not to die.
is this true? always thought the lower the heart rate the better
it can get too low
Like another anon said this phenomenon comes from PED usage along with genetics along with being a top 0.0001% endurance athlete
That is in reference to an now deceased Italian Cyclist who did massive amounts of EPO. If I recall correctly he had cocaine and other heart stressing drugs in his system at the time of death.
yeah and picking up the 5lb pink dumbbells might turn you into ronnie coleman
He doesn't advocate against running, and doesn't say it fricks up the heart. He says that people put too much emphasis on low intensity steady state and volume for training cardio (I assume VO2max), and he says that people should not train more than their event distance for their event distance (training 10k for a 5k).
Valve damage Only when you do marathon for 3+ hours, and returns to normal by week after. I haven’t gone close to training like an endurance athlete what I do is fine im not over doing it - Barts words
Hours and hours and no rest multi times a week long term is when you’re doing damage
>post studies.
>Like all the guy from tour the france die like flies and have to wake up at night and cycle not to die
That's because they're all on epo
>Like all the guy from tour the france die like flies and have to wake up at night and cycle not to die.
Wtf
Training and competing in the Tour de France is not zone 2 cardio.
Jogging is not even zone 2 cardio. Jogging will stress your heart more than actual zone 2 cardio. Jogging is like zone 3/4.
>He is partially right. If you train your heart in zone 2 for like 4 hours per day, your heart walls will stretch so much, that valves stop working properly. Like all the guy from tour the france die like flies and have to wake up at night and cycle not to die.
Human bodies aren't moronic enough to get so fit that they die, only people on PEDs have that problem.
bullshit...pro cyclists need to sleep as much as possible to be rested for races they damn sure aren't working out in the middle of the night...also nobody in pro cycling has died in a very long time and those that have were injured in crashes
This. Just don’t run for more than 1 hour at a time every day and you should be fine.
>have higher body temperature
lol no, the average marathoncels have body temperature and resting heart rates equivalent to a 90 year old decrepit man on his deathbed. you shouldn't abuse slow runs, just walk or do sprints
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Honestly, I'm having trouble believing a dumb Aussie. If you want me to take you seriously, don't use a funny voice and try to sound normal.
hes from new zealand
So what? Can't he speak normal? Everyobe can speak normal english if he tries to. Even indian with iq above 90 can speak normal english
He is right about the first part. Running is not great for losing weight. Then shit gets moronic fast
that's how these idiots work, they combine some boilerplate advice with some humdingers and then offer private consultations.
>Lazy frick tries to justify being a lazy frick and fails miserably
He genuinely is so far up his own ass it's unreal. Smarmy, wienery, looks like shit, speaks with such confidence and arrogance. Christ I bet he's a manlet too
I'm not sure there's anyone more qualified on him on the subject on youtube as a whole. Always struck me as weird how the hyper-credentialist reddit types suddenly lose interest in credentialism when it doesn't serve their ideological interests. You see it all the time in other fields too like with McCullough on covid. "He's a quack hurr durr" from people who get their views from celebrities.
Meanwhile a lot of people on here listen to a senile moron like Ray Peat who thinks coca cola is healthy... go figure
>he's the most qualified on YouTube
He got basic facts wrong in the video.
>I'm not sure there's anyone more qualified on him on the subject on youtube as a whole
Based on what? He was some lno-name post-doc at the university of shitsville and then left academia due to autistic screeching and people not agreeing with him, how does that make him qualified?
>coca cola is healthy
it is
Dr Peter Attia has worked extensively on zone 2, he interviews world leading experts often (including team doctors for TdF teams) I trust him over Bart Kay whose academic credentials are questionable (bachelors and post grad from same nowhere institution with no break in-between, massive red flag)
>zone 2 cardio increases hunger signaling and will make you fatter
He actually said this.
I damaged my heart with heavy drinking, smoking and viagra plus sensless fricking.
If I drop dead I will die with a shit-eating grin on my face.
How the frick is viagra damaging to the heart? It's a vasodilator.
He might believe those old myths that israelite doctors spread to scare men from having sex.
My cardiologist literally told me that taking viagra/cialis casually is good for your heart if you're prone to high blood pressure. It can actually give you few more years of life, by reducing your blood pressure.
So is booze, where does this meme of vasodilators being bad for heart health come from? I've been seeing such posts for half a year or so, is it some tiktok shit?
The heart has its own external blood supply, since the blood it pumps is going too fast to be used for nutrient delivery/waste removal - the coronary arteries. If you take a rapid onset vasodilator at a relatively high dose (for erectile dysfunction) , your bp drops rapidly, including to these arteries, leading to transient ischaemia. This is mostly relevant in people who already have compromised arteries, such as those with coronary artery disease.
DO NOT JOG OR YOU WILL DIE
Worst spokesperson to have for your cause OP.
That guy is a nut
debunk his argument.
bart is a fricking moron, he's been invited to debated but he doesn't accept cause he's a moron that's full of shit
>ketolard faster
>is bald from cortisol
>is fuming in rage from cortisol
>brain is too slow to engage in debate from glucose deficiency
>is dyel, slow and weak because no muscle glycogen
kys moxyte
Is this real or a joke?
zoomers can fall for anything, welcome to clown world
>DO NOT MOVING
>STAY INSIDE
>DONT WALK TOO FAST OR YOU WILL DIE
stfu up moron
Just shut the frick up already. You're in the league of morons who think eating meat, drinking water and/or keto/cico are absolutist movements that either work for everybody or nobody. There is absolutely no subtlety in your ignorance. You have become a turbo-moron. kys
I've been thinking about doing some LISS on rest days I just don't have any fricking energy
It's easy if you take the stationary bike pill. You can do it while reading a book, watching tv, or trolling on/fit/.
don't go for a run or eat some vegetables it might kill you. here have this bacon grease instead
Nostalgia Critic?
Everything can be done to excess
Most people are not doing it to excess
>more qualifications than IST
>more published work than IST
>more peer reviews than IST
>more muscle than IST
>more hair than IST
How do we respond without sounding mad?
>Looks like a gay
Opinion discarded.
yeah u mad
see
he's a moron that hides from debates
Studies for and against, unsure claim over all cardio=healthier heart than no cardio
everyone would be dead if cardio kills
-Even tour de france ex-athletes who often juice have lower heart-disease in old age than the regular population
-40-60min cardio only bad cuz muscle loss
-unless you’re training for extreme endurance events, you’re fine. Getting AHS by casually training is the equivalent of women saying they’ll to get swole if they work out, it’s absurd.
-It's a fringe article that other people in the field itself contradict all the time. There is an editorial comment from other authors. If you don't like cardio, that's on you, but don't try to act like it's the majority opinion in medicine.
if frickers were dying left and right from this shit somebody would know about it. the aint. basically there is no threat. running makes you fitter abd gives better life.
The fact is a myriad of cardiologists and sports physiologists encourage greatly for zone 2 training regarding its positive impact on VO2max (which is a great marker of general health) and aerobic capacity.
Scare Study-It doesn't make any negative statements as far as I can see
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/33/8/938/445952 -debunking study
tldr.
running is bad for you
bruh runners and soccer players, etc. always get heart attacks, and die
i think alot of people dont realise zone 2 is like slow jog, walking for most people.
jogging/harder jogging is zone 3.
Yes, everyone is born with a limited count of heart beats, u drive fast at higher rpms the engine wears out faster, most cars that drive 200k+ miles had slow owners that took care of them and never pushed them too hard
>everyone is born with a limited count of heart beats
top tier broscience
it's true if u look inside ur butthole theres a gauge that shows you how many beats you have left
IST tist here this is not true at all
A well designed engine with proper oil spinning in proper time experiences virtually no wear. Oil coats the metal surfaces ensuring no metal to metal contact.
Engines die because of improper oiling, timing getting messed up, or a an individual piece being pushed to the point of failure.
Any engine can be blown up in an afternoon, or de tuned and run forever.
Bodies and mechanics are completely different. Your car isnt alive. It doesnt recover. Its mechanical, you only use it up, wear it out then fix it or trash it.
Your body is not the same.
Never, ever compare humans and engines ever again.
That's pretty good point, it's just that I'm not gonna take it, I still believe and this is based on studies that if u redline ur heart every fricking day u gonna die young, specially if ur family has history of heart disease, most of the time it's just genetics, much like engines if it was designed well at conception u might get away with pushing itself to the limit, the problem is people don't wanna admit there is a limit and keep pushing forcing ur body to adapt ur heart become bigger therefore reducing it's lifespan
Lifting weights is more of a stressor on the heart than doing hours of zone 2 cardio.
Zone 2 in a 3 zone model can be too much (83-90% HR max)
Zone 2 in a 5 zone model is fairly trivial (60-75% HR max)
i don't take advice from the bald
A quick trip to google reveals that athletes, especially endurance athletes, have a longer life expectancy.
What's up with carnitards and ketotards being anti-exercise? Strange hill to die on.
nah. they like high intensity training
they dislike cardio...
It's moronic. If anything, high intensity training makes your blood pressure spike constantly while low intensity cardio does not. BP spikes can go up to 350/250 during heavy lifts. Way harder on the heart and the body.
Because they are fat.
keto is the ultimate lazy moron cope
>uh, I don't have to count calories, I can eat whatever I want and I'll magically lose weight! MORE BUTTER, PLEASE!
makes sense it'd translate to other shit
It's sorta lazy but it works fo weight loss
Because they view their diet as the one and true way to lose weight/be healthy (kek no) to the point they will slam any rival diet/lifestyle.
>bright red bald chubby guy with glasses tells you how to be healthy
poetry
What is zone 2 cardio?
Traditionally zone 2 cardio is an intensity after the first lactate threshold and before the first ventilatory threshold meaning you should start feeling the burn in your legs but your breathing should still be under control. A good way to estimate is a heart rate at (175 minus your age)
Dude i thought it was 200 minus your age.
Im 33, used to be a cardiogay, took 10 years off and held above 160 bpm for over a minute earlier this year...
Max theoretical heart rate is 220-age although that’s not always accurate it’s reasonable. 175-age is a target heart rate for zone 2 cardio. So if you are 33 you should target a heart rate around 140-145bpm to stay in zone 2 for a LISS cardio session.
Your max heart rate is prob between 180-190 and exercising at 160bpm is nothing really except for potentially inefficient in training ie intensity is too high for the stimulus.
I'm 32 I try to stay in 130 to 140 range I find it optimum for muscle pump, on lighter days I stay bellow that, I do 10 min cardio maximum where I hit vo2max for at least 5 minute sustained once or twice a week
It's basically walking/brisk walking.
>Yes, Ketotards think walking will kill you now.
If brisk walking puts you into zone 2, you're fat and unfit
For me jogging is zone 2
What is your bpm when you jog?
You can jog for several hours and remain in zone 2? Well that sounds like bullshit.
you know that's actually not unreasonable for people who are athletic, right?
yes? What do you think a long run is mate?
You can easily do zone 2 jogs after a few months training, this is where the bulk of your training volume is if you are even a half serious runner.
moronS HES TALKING ABOUT ZONE 2 OUT OF 5 NOT ZONE 2 OUT OF 3. ZONE 2/5 IS WALKING. ZONE 2/3 IS HARD JOGGING
>Hard
>Jogging
Pick one.
So I should run, shouldnt run? what is it? If i go hiking alot will i die?
isn't hiit evolutionary consistent ? everytime ive seen long distance or marathon runners they look like they are on deaths door. super gaunt faces and very skinny and look exhausted 24/7
Hiit is the worst form of weightloss for fat out-of-shape people (which is most people). Anyone suggesting it as a weightloss tool should be beaten with a stick.
did i mention weight loss once u stupid frick ? i meant for cardio health
Show me one animal that habitually jogs. None do. All living beings either walk or sprint, never something in between for a long time.
Also, jogging is generally considered unpleasant by everyone while both walking and sprinting are more tolerable instinctively.
Jogging is fun lad stfu
uh, horses, wolves, literally any endurance animal
Any kind of endurance cardio is unhealthy if you do enough of it. The health problems of endurance athletes was for a long time masked by the fact that they were eating stupid high carb diets, but even these days when they are on smarter diets they still have surprisingly high rates of pathologies.
Bart is autistic so can come across as very caustic but he is correct here and in many other areas. A lot of people are emotionally invested into certain lifestyle choices, like modern "mixed" diets, "cardio", pharmaceutical interventions etc, and perhaps it takes a more detached autistic perspective (combined with a lot of education) to point out how stupid a lot of our modern beliefs are.
you sound smart and know whats up.
Is long walks/hikes bad for your heart? i need to improve my aerobic metabolism over the next month, so will do alot of it but only for the next few weeks
yeah bro cardiovascular diseases were unheard of 150 years ago because they played PS1 all day. whatever you do, don't move more than absolutely necessary bro.
Fatty McFatfat's will find new batshit crazy excuses every day.
Dude just play into it tell them they need more saturated fat and cholesterol in their diet and need to eat more and go on hgh. Just max their risk of cancer and premature deaths from obesity.
Saturated fat and cholesterol don't cause any of those things, though.
Saturated fat raises serum cholesterol which clogs your arteries anon
yeah, I though this too. years ago when I didn't do a thing my heart suddenly started pounding very heavily and slowly out of nowhere sometimes. started going for slow/medium runs and it stopped after a while. I don't do fast runs (unless I warm up for a long time first) because it fricks my knees and ankles
>runners get swollen ventricles after competition
Humans arent meant to run unrionically. Only for short periods. Thats why long distance runners look like emaciated weaklings and sprinters are shredded.
Pretty sure being shredded wasn't a priority in the past, when people were dying of hunger or basically any less known disease.
So cardio is a meme?
yes, a deadly one
i watched this guys video about pavel tsasouline, he was doing like some ranting reaction video to the joe rogan interview. the guy seemed like he was going to have a stress related heart attack by the end of it
I only train Zone 1 cardio as it is the superior form of cardio. I am healthier than every single one of you.
I'm just gonna keep doing 20 minute bike rides uphill.
Yeah sure bro that's why humans are the best long distance runners in nature, we are just optimized to destroy our hearts