i remember a thread where some sperg carefully documented and notated his journey into microdosing speed and the effects on his mental and physical growth. i wish i saved it, perhaps i even did and just forgot i did. anyway i wish it was easier to find
Isn't that really shitty for you dopamine receptors, like fricking them up long term? I think I read something about this.
I get Methylphenidate since 2 Months. Really fricking changed my life. Wouldn't be on this board if I didn't get diagnosed. I wanted to do something else, than just taking drugs, so I got into boxing and fitness now. Pretty fricking great. Also Methylphenidate replaced every other drug I took before, even alcohol.
Maybe I switch to vyvanse some day but for now it's ok like this.
Long term usage with increased dosage thanks to tolerance leads to some form of neurotoxicity which will raise the probability of nervous system diseases when you get older. Meth and Dexedrine are better than Adderall because of the lower dosage overall.
How should we think then? I spend about 5 hours every day sitting at a day studying abstract mathematics, just me and my tablet + some books. I go thru a frick ton of material each day but it does require a ton of discipline and a ton of caffeine.
Some days I do way more and some days I take vyvanse and I do even more.
I get very good results from this.
Evolution arguments are very weak. You can find meaning -and motivation- in the most mundane thing if you find a good reason for it.
If you are directionless then yes, witnessing the results of your work is more rewarding than not.
It depends on the person.If both parents are high iq and li,e to study them you will have an easier time.
If one is a barbarian or botha re then it will be more difficult to overcome your genetic preference to not study.
Can relate. Have two business startups. One is 90% physical irl and the other is entirely online. The physical one I can work on endlessly and not have to force myself. The online one I’m making way slower progress on and it’s fricking torture. I think it stems from the fact that you can’t actually witness the progress since it’s not tangible so it’s hard to get motivated.
It looks like the only similarity is an amino and carbonyl bond to the carbon skeleton of amphetamine; why is one extremely addictive and neurotoxic while the other aids in impulse control and the cognitive abilities of people with ADHD?
The industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
2 years ago
Anonymous
ADHD is real but it wouldn't be a problem if not for the industrial revolution. Us ADHD andy's would just be fine hunting and stuff.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm lazy and don't want to focus on boring things >but I'd be amazing at this task that requires far more effort, focus, and patience than most tasks in everyday life
lol
lmao, even
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. Back in the stone ages we were the hottest shit but now that there is no need anymore to hunt wild animals in order to not fricking starve we have absolutely nothing good to offer anymore. Were like the human version of that last Blockbuster that is still open for some reason even though no one needs it
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can still be a farmer
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that guy but I'm a farmer and have horrendous ADHD even with meds, and the rural lifestyle definitely helps keep me focused, grounded, fit, and healthy. I pity the urbanites who don't have access to this lifestyle.
>dextroamphetamine/amphetamine combo and methamphetamine are nothing alike
kys
t. pharmacist
>dextroamphetamine/amphetamine combo and methamphetamine are nothing alike
kys
t. pharmacist
The binding affinity is different, there is no exitory neuron death the metabolism is different. Amphetamine by itself is not confirmed to be neurotoxic unlike methamphetamine which by itself is neurotoxic. You can cause neurotoxicity trough other means wirh amphetamines but the molecule itself is not neurotoxic and the cardiovascular side effect profile is also very very different. Its not the same just cause it looks similar amd you shoulw know that
For example gabapentinoids are a good example they are all chemically seem very similar but have very different effects on fhe cns. You Argumentation is dumb and you most likely didn't get a degree in a proper country or just lied a real pharmacist should know this. I have a few more examples where chem structure and even somewhat similar binding affinities have somewhere or rarher different effects and side effect profiles
Overlay the molecules. Very very similar.
Research the mechanism of action on the brain. Essentially identical.
Even the doses are pretty much the same.
They are prescribed for the same conditions.
Don't open your mouth if you haven't done your research.
1) o2 is structurally similar to o3, try breathing the latter
2) mechanisms on the brain are very different: one blows holes in your brain and the other one blows zero holes in your brain
3) n/a because the compounds themselves are very different
4) meth is extremely rarely ever prescribed for ADHD; to the point where most people have never even heard of this being a thing.
5) you hate being wrong so you speak condescendingly
Of course they are, you fricking idiot. Adderall is composed of amphetamine salts which are a precursor to meth. Meth is more effective and far more addictive, but their basic mechanism is exactly the same.
I have no clue how some people could ever work out on this stuff either. You should definitely wait 8-10 hours after taking it before you want to work out again unless you want to feel like dying because your hearts racing like crazy
I had the exact same experience with Yvanse. I thought I was just imagining it. But apparently, low doses of amphetamine do improve brain function long term.
https://i.imgur.com/zcARtbG.png
Its completely dogshit for working out and will absolutely frick your heart up if you exercise while youre on it, but if you ADHD you can use this stuff to permanently alter your brain in a positive way. Here are the changes that i noticed in my behaviour after 2 years on Vyvanse, even on days where i am off the meds >much more reserved and generally calmer >less forgetful >less impulsive >easier to think about complicated stuff, especially math >anxiety is now much weaker because i dont constantly frick everything up by doing careless mistakes or by forgetting important things >can now deal with frustration and anger without throwing autistic tantrums >much easier to do tasks that dont instantly give me a dopamin reward
Some people told me that my personality changed a lot during the last 2 years and while this might be a bad thing for some i personally am very happy about this, because i like myself much, much better the way i am now
Not Adderall but Yvanse, but yeah, that shit is magical.
Does Vyanse help with focusing and whatnot more than other adhd stimulants?
Been on vyvanse for at least 10 years and I think the main difference is that vyvanse has an extended release period while adderall is more of an instant hit with a steeper crash
Nothing that I’ve noticed, but time will tell if it fricks up my heart. No mental issues when I don’t take it. I think only taking it on weekdays makes a difference
Before anabolic steroids were a thing they still did drug testing in some sports but it was amphetamines they were testing for. Shit enhances performance.
Its very helpful for ADHD but it isnt a magic fix. You still need to try to change some of the bad habits youve developed from being yourself for so long. Youll know what i mean once you start
>procastinating >doing multiple things at the same time >not finishing something before you start something new >making impulsive decisions >starting things without doing any research beforehand, i.e. doing a school project without carefully reading the task description for it >focusing on perfecting unimportant shit >talking to much >constantly changing the topic during a conversation so that it gets hard to follow you >cutting off people during conversations >not writing down things that you know you will definitely forget >consuming too much modern media that fries your dopamine receptors and only further amplifies your ADHD behaviour
Just to name a few
Meth has an n-methyl group attached to the amine group. This increases its lipophilicity, allowing it to permeate the blood-brain barrier better. Amphetamine is often considered more jittery and has more physical side effects, meth is more cerebral. Meth is also more neurotoxic, but not by much.
>https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/srq84z/amphetamine_the_drug_you_learn_to_hate_blue_light/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjFkLu27av6AhX-SPEDHYK-CY0QFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw18AcrsrthaNfSQDPr9RAtY
Sorry for posting reddit link. This gonna save your life
This stuff helped me lose 70 pounds so far, it’s a miracle drug. Used to abuse the shit out of it for school/fun but now I just take 10mgs a day. Gets me stoked for the gym and then keeps my hunger suppressed for the day. Only thing is I’m a liiiiittle dependent on it at this point, feel super sluggish if I don’t take if
>Everyone born before 1980 used coke and steroids daily
They didn’t. Shut up. You’re just mad because you’re some limp dick zoomer popping Addies to power through a 1200 word essay.
Its completely dogshit for working out and will absolutely frick your heart up if you exercise while youre on it, but if you ADHD you can use this stuff to permanently alter your brain in a positive way. Here are the changes that i noticed in my behaviour after 2 years on Vyvanse, even on days where i am off the meds >much more reserved and generally calmer >less forgetful >less impulsive >easier to think about complicated stuff, especially math >anxiety is now much weaker because i dont constantly frick everything up by doing careless mistakes or by forgetting important things >can now deal with frustration and anger without throwing autistic tantrums >much easier to do tasks that dont instantly give me a dopamin reward
Some people told me that my personality changed a lot during the last 2 years and while this might be a bad thing for some i personally am very happy about this, because i like myself much, much better the way i am now
I had the exact same experience with Yvanse. I thought I was just imagining it. But apparently, low doses of amphetamine do improve brain function long term.
>used to be good at studying but physically inactive and hated all kinds of exercise >now love exercise but hate even the thought of studying, ignoring uni for the sake of low pay physical work
What happened IST?
Not adderall but I was recently diagnosed and prescribed an amphetamine for it. I've actually been meaning to ask but not gotten around to posting -- is it safe to exercise on? Any that should specifically be avoided? Cardio? Just concerned about potential heart issues mostly.
been on it 20 years.
still love it ama kek.
not to derail the thread, but I was put on xan to help me sleep, and I've realized it really has damaged my memory and brain, trying to ween off, I just have a very difficult time falling asleep. i never use it during the day
I found some in a house I was cleaning out today. I've got 11 of the blue 10mg tablets and they recommend taking once daily after breakfast.
Is that a good enough supply to figure out if I actually like the stuff or not? Is 10mg a pussy dose? So far after about 45 mins I'm not noticing much besides my vision seeming a bit sharper and noticing the ceiling fan moving my arm hairs
I got up and walked the dog between that post and reading this one, definitely woke it up. I don't do much with stimulants but it seems like a good rush. Going to do some stretching and give the house a good cleaning.
Saving the next one I take for going rollerblading, I think that is going to be an effective combination.
Figure this is a good a place as any to ask:
I'm an ADHDgay and I've been on Concerta (Methylphenidate) for 3-ish years, but I don't think it's doing as much as I want it to.
Should I try to get on Vyvanse, or on Adderall?
I just got off of intuniv after 3 months of using it. It felt like waking up after a long coma and all my energy and libido came back to me at the cost of my attention span. Don't do fricking intuniv, bros.
i remember a thread where some sperg carefully documented and notated his journey into microdosing speed and the effects on his mental and physical growth. i wish i saved it, perhaps i even did and just forgot i did. anyway i wish it was easier to find
find it anon
Isn't that really shitty for you dopamine receptors, like fricking them up long term? I think I read something about this.
I get Methylphenidate since 2 Months. Really fricking changed my life. Wouldn't be on this board if I didn't get diagnosed. I wanted to do something else, than just taking drugs, so I got into boxing and fitness now. Pretty fricking great. Also Methylphenidate replaced every other drug I took before, even alcohol.
Maybe I switch to vyvanse some day but for now it's ok like this.
No, it actually improves brain function long term. And if you like Methylphenidate, try Yvanse. It's practically the same but has even better results.
Long term usage with increased dosage thanks to tolerance leads to some form of neurotoxicity which will raise the probability of nervous system diseases when you get older. Meth and Dexedrine are better than Adderall because of the lower dosage overall.
>love working out, could do for hours if I didn't get fatigued
>can't focus on writing an essay paper for more than 5 minutes
what did my body mean by this?
sitting at a desk is not how we evolved to think and is killing the souls of the entire student/waging population
How should we think then? I spend about 5 hours every day sitting at a day studying abstract mathematics, just me and my tablet + some books. I go thru a frick ton of material each day but it does require a ton of discipline and a ton of caffeine.
Some days I do way more and some days I take vyvanse and I do even more.
I get very good results from this.
Evolution arguments are very weak. You can find meaning -and motivation- in the most mundane thing if you find a good reason for it.
If you are directionless then yes, witnessing the results of your work is more rewarding than not.
It depends on the person.If both parents are high iq and li,e to study them you will have an easier time.
If one is a barbarian or botha re then it will be more difficult to overcome your genetic preference to not study.
>laughs in investment banking
I'm pulling 80 hours.
Can relate. Have two business startups. One is 90% physical irl and the other is entirely online. The physical one I can work on endlessly and not have to force myself. The online one I’m making way slower progress on and it’s fricking torture. I think it stems from the fact that you can’t actually witness the progress since it’s not tangible so it’s hard to get motivated.
You’re hyperfocused on things you like, like working out
You can’t focus on things you don’t like, like writing an essay
Use adderall
I hate people that misuse “literally”
Literally. I hate when people misuse that word.
>i'm figuratively meth
Adderall and meth are chemically nothing alike, whoever made this is a fricktard.
>dextroamphetamine/amphetamine combo and methamphetamine are nothing alike
kys
t. pharmacist
Nothing alike other than both being amphetamines, essentially equipotent, work through the same MOA, etc. have a nice day pharma shill.
>nothing alike other than basically everything
good talk
Lol I was clearly being facetious, I was on adderall for 14 years and I consider it identical to meth for all intents and purposes.
It looks like the only similarity is an amino and carbonyl bond to the carbon skeleton of amphetamine; why is one extremely addictive and neurotoxic while the other aids in impulse control and the cognitive abilities of people with ADHD?
Because pharmacists are failures who couldnt get into med school
t. Doctor
They both do each.
>Implying ADD is real
The industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
ADHD is real but it wouldn't be a problem if not for the industrial revolution. Us ADHD andy's would just be fine hunting and stuff.
>I'm lazy and don't want to focus on boring things
>but I'd be amazing at this task that requires far more effort, focus, and patience than most tasks in everyday life
lol
lmao, even
Yes.
This. Back in the stone ages we were the hottest shit but now that there is no need anymore to hunt wild animals in order to not fricking starve we have absolutely nothing good to offer anymore. Were like the human version of that last Blockbuster that is still open for some reason even though no one needs it
You can still be a farmer
Not that guy but I'm a farmer and have horrendous ADHD even with meds, and the rural lifestyle definitely helps keep me focused, grounded, fit, and healthy. I pity the urbanites who don't have access to this lifestyle.
This guy is a moron ignore
The binding affinity is different, there is no exitory neuron death the metabolism is different. Amphetamine by itself is not confirmed to be neurotoxic unlike methamphetamine which by itself is neurotoxic. You can cause neurotoxicity trough other means wirh amphetamines but the molecule itself is not neurotoxic and the cardiovascular side effect profile is also very very different. Its not the same just cause it looks similar amd you shoulw know that
For example gabapentinoids are a good example they are all chemically seem very similar but have very different effects on fhe cns. You Argumentation is dumb and you most likely didn't get a degree in a proper country or just lied a real pharmacist should know this. I have a few more examples where chem structure and even somewhat similar binding affinities have somewhere or rarher different effects and side effect profiles
Overlay the molecules. Very very similar.
Research the mechanism of action on the brain. Essentially identical.
Even the doses are pretty much the same.
They are prescribed for the same conditions.
Don't open your mouth if you haven't done your research.
1) o2 is structurally similar to o3, try breathing the latter
2) mechanisms on the brain are very different: one blows holes in your brain and the other one blows zero holes in your brain
3) n/a because the compounds themselves are very different
4) meth is extremely rarely ever prescribed for ADHD; to the point where most people have never even heard of this being a thing.
5) you hate being wrong so you speak condescendingly
Of course they are, you fricking idiot. Adderall is composed of amphetamine salts which are a precursor to meth. Meth is more effective and far more addictive, but their basic mechanism is exactly the same.
can you get it on the deep web?
You will likely get actual meth disguised as Adderall. That's what the tweekers at /biz said.
lay off the drugs
you will become like the methheads
working out, especially cardio, on strong stimulants is a good way to get heart problems
Yeah that’s probably why I have heart palpitations
Adderall will frick you up and make you depressed in the long run
just picked up my Vyvanse script
I don't know how you fricks use that shit while working out, I usually workout before or after it peaks
Workout on the tail end of it, so about 8-10 hours after youve taken it. Youll be surprised how much energy you have left at the end of the day
I have no clue how some people could ever work out on this stuff either. You should definitely wait 8-10 hours after taking it before you want to work out again unless you want to feel like dying because your hearts racing like crazy
Does Vyanse help with focusing and whatnot more than other adhd stimulants?
Been on vyvanse for at least 10 years and I think the main difference is that vyvanse has an extended release period while adderall is more of an instant hit with a steeper crash
ah so it's kind of like concerta? Also does taking for a decade have any long term effects?
Nothing that I’ve noticed, but time will tell if it fricks up my heart. No mental issues when I don’t take it. I think only taking it on weekdays makes a difference
I have taken concerta everyday for like 5 years, I think I should probably do the same
Isnt Ephedrine the equivalent?
Bronkaid keeps me going somedays
The vasoconstriction is way too much. Just stick to caffeine
I have 120/50 with it
never EVER snort bronkaid and try to wash the drip down with steel reserve
Before anabolic steroids were a thing they still did drug testing in some sports but it was amphetamines they were testing for. Shit enhances performance.
Might get on this soon for obvious ADHD that went undiagnosed until my adult life. What am I in for?
Its very helpful for ADHD but it isnt a magic fix. You still need to try to change some of the bad habits youve developed from being yourself for so long. Youll know what i mean once you start
Please tell me what the bad habits of people with ADHD are so I can start working on them now before I get diagnosed
>procastinating
>doing multiple things at the same time
>not finishing something before you start something new
>making impulsive decisions
>starting things without doing any research beforehand, i.e. doing a school project without carefully reading the task description for it
>focusing on perfecting unimportant shit
>talking to much
>constantly changing the topic during a conversation so that it gets hard to follow you
>cutting off people during conversations
>not writing down things that you know you will definitely forget
>consuming too much modern media that fries your dopamine receptors and only further amplifies your ADHD behaviour
Just to name a few
What's the scientific difference between Adderall and crystal meth?
Meth has an n-methyl group attached to the amine group. This increases its lipophilicity, allowing it to permeate the blood-brain barrier better. Amphetamine is often considered more jittery and has more physical side effects, meth is more cerebral. Meth is also more neurotoxic, but not by much.
>https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/srq84z/amphetamine_the_drug_you_learn_to_hate_blue_light/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjFkLu27av6AhX-SPEDHYK-CY0QFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw18AcrsrthaNfSQDPr9RAtY
Sorry for posting reddit link. This gonna save your life
Go back homosexual
This stuff helped me lose 70 pounds so far, it’s a miracle drug. Used to abuse the shit out of it for school/fun but now I just take 10mgs a day. Gets me stoked for the gym and then keeps my hunger suppressed for the day. Only thing is I’m a liiiiittle dependent on it at this point, feel super sluggish if I don’t take if
Bump
How to make these?
Bumpa
that b***h in the back fugly
I took a bunch of it at a party once and I swear my penis has been smaller ever since
AAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH
sounds like heart problems my man
I literally can't do anything without these devil pills. I tried using less of it this week and I made so many embarrassing mistakes at work.
It's literally *not* meth, though
will microdosing molly help cure my excessive neuroticism?
It'll leave you with holes in your brain. Like Swiss cheese.
Been there done that. Microdosing Molly feels like a very low dose of speed and it last like 2-3 hours. AMA fren
Lmao. No it isn't. Drugs are for fun. Amphetamines will not help your performance.
lotsa homeless people and crackprostitutes with 6packs says otherwise
PSA that abusing amphetamines for a while will permanently frick up your brain chemistry and your reward system
permanently?
Yes. Not even kidding. Cellular death is a very real thing.
Not Adderall but Yvanse, but yeah, that shit is magical.
Imagine being such a moron you need to take meth to pay attention. Holy frick anyone born after the 80s is just ruined
anyone born before the 80's used coke daily and every steroid under the sun
>Everyone born before 1980 used coke and steroids daily
They didn’t. Shut up. You’re just mad because you’re some limp dick zoomer popping Addies to power through a 1200 word essay.
kek, do you really think weed smoking boomers are any better than Adderall-popping zoomers?
Its completely dogshit for working out and will absolutely frick your heart up if you exercise while youre on it, but if you ADHD you can use this stuff to permanently alter your brain in a positive way. Here are the changes that i noticed in my behaviour after 2 years on Vyvanse, even on days where i am off the meds
>much more reserved and generally calmer
>less forgetful
>less impulsive
>easier to think about complicated stuff, especially math
>anxiety is now much weaker because i dont constantly frick everything up by doing careless mistakes or by forgetting important things
>can now deal with frustration and anger without throwing autistic tantrums
>much easier to do tasks that dont instantly give me a dopamin reward
Some people told me that my personality changed a lot during the last 2 years and while this might be a bad thing for some i personally am very happy about this, because i like myself much, much better the way i am now
I had the exact same experience with Yvanse. I thought I was just imagining it. But apparently, low doses of amphetamine do improve brain function long term.
>used to be good at studying but physically inactive and hated all kinds of exercise
>now love exercise but hate even the thought of studying, ignoring uni for the sake of low pay physical work
What happened IST?
vyvanse is easy mode for fasting
True, but also Very Hard mode for bulking
Not adderall but I was recently diagnosed and prescribed an amphetamine for it. I've actually been meaning to ask but not gotten around to posting -- is it safe to exercise on? Any that should specifically be avoided? Cardio? Just concerned about potential heart issues mostly.
been on it 20 years.
still love it ama kek.
not to derail the thread, but I was put on xan to help me sleep, and I've realized it really has damaged my memory and brain, trying to ween off, I just have a very difficult time falling asleep. i never use it during the day
I inject coffe when I feel depressed
europa anon here
aderall is not available in my country
if I buy a good quality amphetamine it will be the same?
we have ritalin
>europa anon here
>good quality amphetamine
Get it tested and plan accordingly. The highest quality speed here has a minimum of 20% caffeine
pretty much
and lisdexamphetamine and dextroamphetamine, which are almost identical with adderall's contents
Give it to me straight, how do I get this in the UK?
What do you guys think of concerta? I've been taking it for a while. Should I try Adderall or Yvnase? Are they better?
I found some in a house I was cleaning out today. I've got 11 of the blue 10mg tablets and they recommend taking once daily after breakfast.
Is that a good enough supply to figure out if I actually like the stuff or not? Is 10mg a pussy dose? So far after about 45 mins I'm not noticing much besides my vision seeming a bit sharper and noticing the ceiling fan moving my arm hairs
You gotta try actually doing something on it, anon. Clean your place or do some math or read something
I got up and walked the dog between that post and reading this one, definitely woke it up. I don't do much with stimulants but it seems like a good rush. Going to do some stretching and give the house a good cleaning.
Saving the next one I take for going rollerblading, I think that is going to be an effective combination.
Figure this is a good a place as any to ask:
I'm an ADHDgay and I've been on Concerta (Methylphenidate) for 3-ish years, but I don't think it's doing as much as I want it to.
Should I try to get on Vyvanse, or on Adderall?
I just got off of intuniv after 3 months of using it. It felt like waking up after a long coma and all my energy and libido came back to me at the cost of my attention span. Don't do fricking intuniv, bros.