Subsistence agriculture is not conducive to gaining good lean mass. Likely they were scrawny. Even in WW1 the military noticed tons of men who were too small to serve because of malnourishment and that is with the increases in food availability. Just imagine scrawny short turkish looking guys and you get the idea
BEEF + FIGHTING = BIG and JACKED
At any given point in history.
>didn't lift weights
Wrong. They didn't lift barbels, but they did lift heavy shit. Their shield, equipment, and weapon weighted more than their bodyweight realistically.
Weightlifting is also not the only form of resistance training. They wrestled a lot and obviously did intense manual labor.
I believe psychological conditioning also played a role in their hormonal profile.
>do you have any idea what a helm + shield + spear + sword weigh?
Do you think people who hike are jacked? I go hiking with more gears than their soldiers would ever carry and I'm not magically getting fricking jacked all over.
Lol you've no idea how heavy their equipment was. Also, you pack it up in a nice comfortable bag, try swinging it around on a pole and acting fast and in co-ordination with it.
https://i.imgur.com/ut8WZao.jpg
Based. Kyriakos is of PONTVS decent. Most IST Greeks.
It should be noted that in Ancient Greece the aristocrats weren't exactly like the modern perception of decadent fops sitting in palaces, detached from reality, which is born of French Revolutionary rhetoric from the 18th century. The aristocrats of antiquity led from the front in the pastures and farm fields as well as in battle, according the ideals of the time. Hard work and physical strength were highly important to the ruling class in Sparta particularly, which held aristocratic rule as the ideal form of government over democracy and monarchy. Livestock herding would have been done on foot too in Ancient Greece, so good cardio.
Obviously. Aristocracy literally means "rule of the finest". However let's not ignore that in many city-states at their peak, slaves were doing most of the labor, allowing men and women alike to focus on more refined pursuits.
This is something that's stayed true, more or less, until present day capitalism.
Even if that weren't a /misc/ meme, the Peloponnese - especially in mountainous central region around Sparta - didn't get much direct occupation by Turks at any point during Ottoman rule.
Subsistence agriculture is not conducive to gaining good lean mass. Likely they were scrawny. Even in WW1 the military noticed tons of men who were too small to serve because of malnourishment and that is with the increases in food availability. Just imagine scrawny short turkish looking guys and you get the idea
>Likely they were scrawny
think the frick again.
do you have any idea what a helm + shield + spear + sword weigh?
short, yes, scrawny, absolutely fricking not.
also, check out picrel. not about spartans, but athenians
>Socrates was fricking ripped
For the standards of that time period. Even nowadays with gyms, supplements and all the knowledge we have, getting a good looking physique is far from a priority for soldiers. The most important things for the Spartans were being strong enough to wield their weapons and shields and having good cardio and mental resilience to move long distances on foot with their equipment plus sustain long battles. Besides that, most of their training consisted of combat practice
Some of them probably look pretty good and were bigger than the average, but most of them were probably not really muscular for today's standards.
>For the standards of that time period
i direct your attention to the statues of the period
again, they were short, yes. but ripped. very ripped. properly fricking ripped, not just a skinny ottermode or whatever.
> Even nowadays with gyms, supplements and all the knowledge we have, getting a good looking physique is far from a priority for soldiers
modern soldiers don't rely on physical strength. they rely on tech.
granted, an m16 is probably about the same weight as a sword, but you're not swinging it around like a madman, trying to splinter shields and whatnot
>strong enough to wield their weapons
aka perform extremely demanding physical exercise while weighted with like 60-70lb of gear
again, remember, those dudes were not just lugging the shit around for several miles, they also had to fight with all that shit on them
think kickboxing with a 30lb backpack + a 20lb weight on one hand (shield) + a second 20lb weight on the other (spear).
also, try to imagine what rowing in a galley would do to your body. keep in mind, that shit was not like todays competitive rowing
the rows were long, thicc, made of wood, wood which would obv absorb extra water
and you had to do that for hours and hours on end
imagine the physique of a rower like that.
no, anon. those dudes were EXTREMELY ripped.
a modern natty BBer would have to be extremely top tier to match them.
ofc non-natty BBers would mog them in mass.
and every modern white person would mog them in height, but that's a different story...
those were statues of wrestlers not of soldiers, there's a very big difference.
Plus they were not fighting with 70lbs of gear, they were fighting lightly equipped with boiled leather armor if they were lucky and long ass sarissas which they would not be maneuvering around with.
Their lack of maneuverability is what allowed the manipoles of the Romans to outflank and destroy them especially over uneven terrain.
>Their lack of maneuverability is what allowed the manipoles of the Romans to outflank and destroy them especially over uneven terrain.
isn't that bc they were a phalanx
>wrestlers, not soldiers
Just about every male citizen was a soldier. >Sarissas
Anons are clearly talking Greeks, not Macedonians. During the Peloponnesian War combat was focused around heavily armored hoplites with some auxiliary cavalry and archers. Part of the reason walls were so effective in Greek warfare was that it was basically impossible to scale a wall in heavy armor.
>Their lack of maneuverability is what allowed the manipoles of the Romans to outflank and destroy them especially over uneven terrain.
isn't that bc they were a phalanx
By the time the Romans would have been fighting the Greeks, the Greeks would have been fighting with sarissas which are massive (~30 ft) spears. These were historically extremely effective against the Greek hoplites and the Persians but the Romans BFTO'd them because they fought in a loose array called a Maniple and sarissas are extremely hard to maneuver.
> nutrition
They had food, probably better quality than our current slop > exercise
They lifted heavy shit. SDL 5x5 isn't really a technological breakthrough > steroids
Alright they didn't have that.
>do you have any idea what a helm + shield + spear + sword weigh?
Do you think people who hike are jacked? I go hiking with more gears than their soldiers would ever carry and I'm not magically getting fricking jacked all over.
Yes I was. Granted not everybody else was. I'm a gigamanlet so it's harder for me and, jacked as I am, they thought I was just being lazy and loaded me up with more weight and made me ruck more often. I basically failed every single march and got hella gains from it every time. Since the statues look like me I can only assume they went as hard as I did.
9 months ago
Anonymous
how does rucking train your triceps biceps or chest?
Yeah but in blood injection type? I think it was reproduced indeed in 1934 but could not be used for muscle enhancement purpose at that time. A well explain and documented video about this: https://youtu.be/MupFMhiSlJk?si=jakW7WcbkbJKsNdJ
The first half of silver era was - for me - natty
i'm not watching your shitty video and you realize you don't need to inject test for it to work right or are you being ovtuse and moronic on purpose
9 months ago
Anonymous
It has to do with his potentiality. The first molecules used experimentally were ingested but testosterone was in fact destroyed in the stomach so it was pointless and resulted in no gains.
I do think, too, that classical soldiers were pretty ripped actually. Olympic sports usual practice then the war with equipment should be fck hard. Imagine walking with 40kg several hours then prepare to fight. Generally, they used to run at full speed toward the ennemy line to avoid slingers then pushing for hoplitic fights. Imagine the cardio required and muscle too to do this. I think they were kinda like bronze era/silver era BB easily.
I mean yeah everyone natty can achieve bronze era looks, I think we can all agree on that. Beginning of silver era too. They didn't have golden era muscle mass neither modern era ofc, but bronze/silver with very high cardio performance, I do think it was achievable.
bronze era yes but test was synthesized in 1934 if you think any was natty after that i got a timeshare to sell you
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but in blood injection type? I think it was reproduced indeed in 1934 but could not be used for muscle enhancement purpose at that time. A well explain and documented video about this: https://youtu.be/MupFMhiSlJk?si=jakW7WcbkbJKsNdJ
Given we know their diet was primarily barley, eaten either as bread or a porridge, supplemented with pork, figs, olives, cheese, and wine, and that we know their fitness routine was focused on running, wrestling, and long distance marching with 60+lbs of kit, we would expect them to be "skinnyfat" by todays standards.
When engaging in formation fighting individual strength only matters insofar as being able to actually march to the battlefield, and individual skill only requires being disciplined enough to maintain formation. One-on-one combat has never been a focus of any organized military in history, and the purpose of training it is the same as it is today: to instill an aggressive mindset while also making them used to the physiological responses to fighting.
>A special dish for the Spartans that was offered at meals. It was a type of soup that took some getting used to because of the taste. Basically, they cooked pork with blood and salt and accompanied it with barley bread. They believed it gave them strength. >Cheese >Olives >Barley
So basically High Protien and High Carbs.
>Spartan Spears were 12-14lbs
So their arms and shoulders were swole.
>According to Plutarch, as the young Spartans grew, they were required to exercise more and more to build their bodies. As Donald G. Kyle notes in his book Sport and Spectacle in the Ancient World, Spartan youth had to present themselves for regular inspections in the nude, and boys who didn’t look sufficiently fit were flogged.
GET SWOLE OR GET BEAT!
Literally this, their main meal was black soup (pork in pork blood broth seasoned with vinegar) 24/7. They got more protein than most of the world at the time and being remembered for mogging the frick out of their enemies isn’t really a modern fabrication.
to Plutarch, as the young Spartans grew, they were required to exercise more and more to build their bodies. >>As Donald G. Kyle notes in his book Sport and Spectacle in the Ancient World, Spartan youth had to present themselves for regular inspections in the nude, and boys who didn’t look sufficiently fit were flogged.
warriors of Sparta where an aristocratic class, on campaign they probably ate more meat than other soldiers of their time. Kings leading armies where noted to sacrifice animals so often that a law where every pig litter born would be required to give one to the royal pens.
Make no mistake, they ate animal sacrifices, it was a connection with the gods.
I have marital family from Sparta and they are big framed people in the modern day. Large hands, thick forearms, etc. The region within Sparta's historic sphere of influence is rich for agriculture and livestock and the Spartans in their classic Peloponnesian War period were an aristocratic minority fed by the lower classes, so they likely weren't lacking nutrition.
My guess is that they were big and muscular but not necessarily super shredded. They wouldn't have had bodybuilder physiques but definitely not scrawny.
Even if that weren't a /misc/ meme, the Peloponnese - especially in mountainous central region around Sparta - didn't get much direct occupation by Turks at any point during Ottoman rule.
There are plenty of dudes in western parts of Anatolia and European Turkey that look just like that. Compare to people in eastern Anatolia and Asiatic Turks who look nothing like that.
Do you ever wonder why Mexicans and European Spaniards look different?
>plenty of dudes in western parts of Anatolia and European Turkey that look just like that.
We're turning up the cope are we?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Those Spartan relatives I mentioned mostly have blue eyes.
Obviously. Aristocracy literally means "rule of the finest". However let's not ignore that in many city-states at their peak, slaves were doing most of the labor, allowing men and women alike to focus on more refined pursuits.
This is something that's stayed true, more or less, until present day capitalism.
[...]
Don't ask him why he's got light brown eyes.
True enough, but even the Princes of Troy tended the herds so they were at least more hands-on than modern aristocrats. This would apply in particular to Sparta of all city states.
this is accurate
also, its quite obvious to most greeks which of us has a lot of that middle-eastern admixture and who doesn't
i feel sorry for them, they ugly.
>And again, believing that to feel contempt for one's enemies infuses a certain courage for the fight, Agesilaus (Anon's note: Agesilaus II, King of Sparta, reigned during the classic era of Sparta when it was at the height of its military power) gave orders to his heralds that the barbarians (An: generic term for foreigners, in this case referring to Persians) who were captured by the Greek raiding parties should be exposed for sale naked. Thus the soldiers, seeing that these men were white-skinned because they never were without their clothing, and soft and unused to toil because they always rode in carriages, came to the conclusion that the war would be in no way different from having to fight with women.
So the Spartans apparently mogged their dyel enemies during this period.
Considering the spartans ate clean, didn't lift weights and did a lot of cardio, they were probably ottermode
BEEF + FIGHTING = BIG and JACKED
At any given point in history.
>didn't lift weights
Wrong. They didn't lift barbels, but they did lift heavy shit. Their shield, equipment, and weapon weighted more than their bodyweight realistically.
Weightlifting is also not the only form of resistance training. They wrestled a lot and obviously did intense manual labor.
I believe psychological conditioning also played a role in their hormonal profile.
Lol you've no idea how heavy their equipment was. Also, you pack it up in a nice comfortable bag, try swinging it around on a pole and acting fast and in co-ordination with it.
Based. Kyriakos is of PONTVS decent. Most IST Greeks.
It should be noted that in Ancient Greece the aristocrats weren't exactly like the modern perception of decadent fops sitting in palaces, detached from reality, which is born of French Revolutionary rhetoric from the 18th century. The aristocrats of antiquity led from the front in the pastures and farm fields as well as in battle, according the ideals of the time. Hard work and physical strength were highly important to the ruling class in Sparta particularly, which held aristocratic rule as the ideal form of government over democracy and monarchy. Livestock herding would have been done on foot too in Ancient Greece, so good cardio.
Obviously. Aristocracy literally means "rule of the finest". However let's not ignore that in many city-states at their peak, slaves were doing most of the labor, allowing men and women alike to focus on more refined pursuits.
This is something that's stayed true, more or less, until present day capitalism.
Don't ask him why he's got light brown eyes.
Puts the 300 Spartans myth into perspective.
Subsistence agriculture is not conducive to gaining good lean mass. Likely they were scrawny. Even in WW1 the military noticed tons of men who were too small to serve because of malnourishment and that is with the increases in food availability. Just imagine scrawny short turkish looking guys and you get the idea
>Likely they were scrawny
think the frick again.
do you have any idea what a helm + shield + spear + sword weigh?
short, yes, scrawny, absolutely fricking not.
also, check out picrel. not about spartans, but athenians
>Socrates was fricking ripped
For the standards of that time period. Even nowadays with gyms, supplements and all the knowledge we have, getting a good looking physique is far from a priority for soldiers. The most important things for the Spartans were being strong enough to wield their weapons and shields and having good cardio and mental resilience to move long distances on foot with their equipment plus sustain long battles. Besides that, most of their training consisted of combat practice
Some of them probably look pretty good and were bigger than the average, but most of them were probably not really muscular for today's standards.
>For the standards of that time period
i direct your attention to the statues of the period
again, they were short, yes. but ripped. very ripped. properly fricking ripped, not just a skinny ottermode or whatever.
> Even nowadays with gyms, supplements and all the knowledge we have, getting a good looking physique is far from a priority for soldiers
modern soldiers don't rely on physical strength. they rely on tech.
granted, an m16 is probably about the same weight as a sword, but you're not swinging it around like a madman, trying to splinter shields and whatnot
>strong enough to wield their weapons
aka perform extremely demanding physical exercise while weighted with like 60-70lb of gear
again, remember, those dudes were not just lugging the shit around for several miles, they also had to fight with all that shit on them
think kickboxing with a 30lb backpack + a 20lb weight on one hand (shield) + a second 20lb weight on the other (spear).
also, try to imagine what rowing in a galley would do to your body. keep in mind, that shit was not like todays competitive rowing
the rows were long, thicc, made of wood, wood which would obv absorb extra water
and you had to do that for hours and hours on end
imagine the physique of a rower like that.
no, anon. those dudes were EXTREMELY ripped.
a modern natty BBer would have to be extremely top tier to match them.
ofc non-natty BBers would mog them in mass.
and every modern white person would mog them in height, but that's a different story...
those were statues of wrestlers not of soldiers, there's a very big difference.
Plus they were not fighting with 70lbs of gear, they were fighting lightly equipped with boiled leather armor if they were lucky and long ass sarissas which they would not be maneuvering around with.
Their lack of maneuverability is what allowed the manipoles of the Romans to outflank and destroy them especially over uneven terrain.
>Their lack of maneuverability is what allowed the manipoles of the Romans to outflank and destroy them especially over uneven terrain.
isn't that bc they were a phalanx
>wrestlers, not soldiers
Just about every male citizen was a soldier.
>Sarissas
Anons are clearly talking Greeks, not Macedonians. During the Peloponnesian War combat was focused around heavily armored hoplites with some auxiliary cavalry and archers. Part of the reason walls were so effective in Greek warfare was that it was basically impossible to scale a wall in heavy armor.
By the time the Romans would have been fighting the Greeks, the Greeks would have been fighting with sarissas which are massive (~30 ft) spears. These were historically extremely effective against the Greek hoplites and the Persians but the Romans BFTO'd them because they fought in a loose array called a Maniple and sarissas are extremely hard to maneuver.
> nutrition
They had food, probably better quality than our current slop
> exercise
They lifted heavy shit. SDL 5x5 isn't really a technological breakthrough
> steroids
Alright they didn't have that.
>getting a good looking physique is not the priority for most soldiers
I was a marine 0331 and you are wrong
Shut up you stupid fricking boot
>do you have any idea what a helm + shield + spear + sword weigh?
Do you think people who hike are jacked? I go hiking with more gears than their soldiers would ever carry and I'm not magically getting fricking jacked all over.
There's a difference between hiking and marching. You have the option to relax. I was at the natty limit from ruck marches alone when I was a soldier.
>I was at the natty limit from ruck marches alone when I was a soldier
no you weren't kek
Yes I was. Granted not everybody else was. I'm a gigamanlet so it's harder for me and, jacked as I am, they thought I was just being lazy and loaded me up with more weight and made me ruck more often. I basically failed every single march and got hella gains from it every time. Since the statues look like me I can only assume they went as hard as I did.
how does rucking train your triceps biceps or chest?
i'm not watching your shitty video and you realize you don't need to inject test for it to work right or are you being ovtuse and moronic on purpose
It has to do with his potentiality. The first molecules used experimentally were ingested but testosterone was in fact destroyed in the stomach so it was pointless and resulted in no gains.
Good point. I did a lot of pushups too.
I do think, too, that classical soldiers were pretty ripped actually. Olympic sports usual practice then the war with equipment should be fck hard. Imagine walking with 40kg several hours then prepare to fight. Generally, they used to run at full speed toward the ennemy line to avoid slingers then pushing for hoplitic fights. Imagine the cardio required and muscle too to do this. I think they were kinda like bronze era/silver era BB easily.
Huh, and all while not being roidtrannies. Almost like you can make it without cheating.
I mean yeah everyone natty can achieve bronze era looks, I think we can all agree on that. Beginning of silver era too. They didn't have golden era muscle mass neither modern era ofc, but bronze/silver with very high cardio performance, I do think it was achievable.
bronze era yes but test was synthesized in 1934 if you think any was natty after that i got a timeshare to sell you
Yeah but in blood injection type? I think it was reproduced indeed in 1934 but could not be used for muscle enhancement purpose at that time. A well explain and documented video about this: https://youtu.be/MupFMhiSlJk?si=jakW7WcbkbJKsNdJ
The first half of silver era was - for me - natty
Given we know their diet was primarily barley, eaten either as bread or a porridge, supplemented with pork, figs, olives, cheese, and wine, and that we know their fitness routine was focused on running, wrestling, and long distance marching with 60+lbs of kit, we would expect them to be "skinnyfat" by todays standards.
When engaging in formation fighting individual strength only matters insofar as being able to actually march to the battlefield, and individual skill only requires being disciplined enough to maintain formation. One-on-one combat has never been a focus of any organized military in history, and the purpose of training it is the same as it is today: to instill an aggressive mindset while also making them used to the physiological responses to fighting.
>A special dish for the Spartans that was offered at meals. It was a type of soup that took some getting used to because of the taste. Basically, they cooked pork with blood and salt and accompanied it with barley bread. They believed it gave them strength.
>Cheese
>Olives
>Barley
So basically High Protien and High Carbs.
>Spartan Spears were 12-14lbs
So their arms and shoulders were swole.
>According to Plutarch, as the young Spartans grew, they were required to exercise more and more to build their bodies. As Donald G. Kyle notes in his book Sport and Spectacle in the Ancient World, Spartan youth had to present themselves for regular inspections in the nude, and boys who didn’t look sufficiently fit were flogged.
GET SWOLE OR GET BEAT!
Literally this, their main meal was black soup (pork in pork blood broth seasoned with vinegar) 24/7. They got more protein than most of the world at the time and being remembered for mogging the frick out of their enemies isn’t really a modern fabrication.
to Plutarch, as the young Spartans grew, they were required to exercise more and more to build their bodies.
>>As Donald G. Kyle notes in his book Sport and Spectacle in the Ancient World, Spartan youth had to present themselves for regular inspections in the nude, and boys who didn’t look sufficiently fit were flogged.
They looked like Louis Cachet.
They were pedo gays. Absolute subhumans
Like heptathletes, you fricking pseuds
warriors of Sparta where an aristocratic class, on campaign they probably ate more meat than other soldiers of their time. Kings leading armies where noted to sacrifice animals so often that a law where every pig litter born would be required to give one to the royal pens.
Make no mistake, they ate animal sacrifices, it was a connection with the gods.
I have marital family from Sparta and they are big framed people in the modern day. Large hands, thick forearms, etc. The region within Sparta's historic sphere of influence is rich for agriculture and livestock and the Spartans in their classic Peloponnesian War period were an aristocratic minority fed by the lower classes, so they likely weren't lacking nutrition.
My guess is that they were big and muscular but not necessarily super shredded. They wouldn't have had bodybuilder physiques but definitely not scrawny.
>I have marital family from Sparta
Sparta + 70% Turkic admixture kekekekek
Even if that weren't a /misc/ meme, the Peloponnese - especially in mountainous central region around Sparta - didn't get much direct occupation by Turks at any point during Ottoman rule.
Cope.
There are plenty of dudes in western parts of Anatolia and European Turkey that look just like that. Compare to people in eastern Anatolia and Asiatic Turks who look nothing like that.
Do you ever wonder why Mexicans and European Spaniards look different?
>plenty of dudes in western parts of Anatolia and European Turkey that look just like that.
We're turning up the cope are we?
Those Spartan relatives I mentioned mostly have blue eyes.
True enough, but even the Princes of Troy tended the herds so they were at least more hands-on than modern aristocrats. This would apply in particular to Sparta of all city states.
this is accurate
also, its quite obvious to most greeks which of us has a lot of that middle-eastern admixture and who doesn't
i feel sorry for them, they ugly.
t. Greek
There is this, from Xenophon's Hellenika:
>And again, believing that to feel contempt for one's enemies infuses a certain courage for the fight, Agesilaus (Anon's note: Agesilaus II, King of Sparta, reigned during the classic era of Sparta when it was at the height of its military power) gave orders to his heralds that the barbarians (An: generic term for foreigners, in this case referring to Persians) who were captured by the Greek raiding parties should be exposed for sale naked. Thus the soldiers, seeing that these men were white-skinned because they never were without their clothing, and soft and unused to toil because they always rode in carriages, came to the conclusion that the war would be in no way different from having to fight with women.
So the Spartans apparently mogged their dyel enemies during this period.
They were described as tall and lean, and didn't eat much. Usual soldier build.
https://spartareconsidered.blogspot.com/2011/09/physical-appearance-of-spartans.html
They ate a diet rich in athletic greens powder
Fricked up towards sport and militarism and propably didn't look that much diffferent from Greek statues IRL.