I'll start
>you are not ugly you re most likely body dismorphic and can actualy get a lot more healthy looking
>you dont have bad genetics you are just doing somenthing wrong
>anyone can start changing at any time
>you dont need drugs to excell just hard work
>your body changes over time even after puberty
Mandatory
>anyone can start lifting, you don't need any prior sports experience
>you can escape skinnyfat mode in less than six months
>it takes less than a year for people to notice you lift
>programming as a beginner is piss easy, everything works
>diet is just as easy, just eat some protein and avoid fast food, candy and soda
>you don't need a gym subscription to achieve a decent physique, you can get a good workout even with a pair of dumbbells from home
>mires become so common they don't even register anymore
>people notice you lift even under winter clothes
>1/2/3/4 makes you stronger than mostly anyone you'll come across in your daily life
>once you see results you won't even think about skipping the gym
>consistency is the key to a good physique, even if you drag yourself to the gym you'll appreciate every single workout in retrospect
>a good physiqye has a halo effect on anything you do
>being motivated by hope and love is much more effective than being motivated by anger
Based
Very based Guz anon
Nice pasta homosexual but I appreciate the sentiment
it's delicious pasta
how do the discord trannies cope every time gutsanon shows up?
That’s not Guts
It’s kenshiro, the spiritual grandpa of Guts
I know, the guy behind these posts is called gutsanon, he's a poster from here who was skinny-fat, got a good physique and now posts hopeful shit
Oh ok
helluva transformation in a surprisingly short time too
this + your face starts severely improving under 20% BF
lots of people don't realize how good of a jawline they may have because it's hidden by fat
Had not thought about this. Similarly, what bothers me is fat hands. Looking at my fat hands and seeing them as the hands of a fat spastic. Even with fine motor skills, they look like something I don't want to use, like a tool made in China or some broken second hand device. Not sure if that is purely a /diy type of self-referent but it is real from where I am.
You never get the time back. You will never have those experiences. You are fighting for YEARS for a CHANCE at Chad's sloppy seconds.
>lifting for foids
lol
This. You lift for yourself, and in fact, do everything for yourself, and the women will come on their own. Chase money, not women; you will lose money chasing women, you will never lose women chasing money.
>prosperous, safe, and enjoyable
And stagnant. And degenerate. Too late to explore the world, too early to explore the stars. The majority of people are lost without meaning or purpose, no calling beyond chasing dopamine. Most people are literal NPCs. Make a point of not being most people.
dont reply to obvious bait friends
There's literally no other reason to lift
>I LIFT 4 MYSELF
Why? So you can be a lonely homosexual all day?
"lifting for myself" is an oxymoron. The sentence can only apply if "I" am not one, thus partitioning myself into two "I's" - The "I" that lifts, and the "I" that enjoys the benefits of lifting. Therefore this sentence can never be true, since I am not two, I am one.
I lift.
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>I'm so fat, to the point of sweating from go upstairs
>this cannot continue, while I'm at it, I should aim for the best, the legendary six-pack
it's not that hard to understand, you should know that
health, my niggy
I lift to be an inspiration for my children when they grow up
you need to get a woman to have children.
I would rather be a fit loser than a fat one
>You never get the time back. You will never have those experiences. You are fighting for YEARS for a CHANCE at Chad's sloppy seconds.
Teen friendship is overrated,
war is not.
Has anyone ever told you you're an ass? If not, let me be the first.
Statistically speaking, and by a significant margin, the "Age 40" box on the left should be of a 40 year old guy in a one bedroom apartment, sitting at a table, listening to the voicemail of a kid he rarely sees, and who can't pick up the phone, with a stack of letters (a notice of late rent, a notice of overdrawn bank account, and a summons to court for MOAR CHILD SUPPORT) on the table.
The left *can* happen, just like you *can* win the lottery. It is not the norm, and so does not apply to a "normal functional person" it is by far the exception. Also, anyone with a shred of savvy or self-respect knows that "normal" is a sad goal to set for one's self.
Chase excellence, not women. Whether you're at the office (ideally one you own, even if it's home office), out on the town, or at the gym, do. the. work. "Good enough" isn't good enough, it never was, and if you haven't noticed, women are done pretending that it is.
>You never get the time back
This is some real ass shit men need to take to heart. Time is literally the only thing I haven't figured out a way to earn, hustle, or build more of. Be very mindful of how you spend it, what you spend it on, *who* you spend it on.
>You are fighting for YEARS for a CHANCE at Chad's sloppy seconds
Once you achieve Chad status, it's all just communal pussy. Also, while you're right in that it doesn't happen overnight, barring extreme exceptions, I firmly believe any dude can have his shit together in five years or less. I'm talking a full-on NEET that's physically somewhere in the spectrum of skinnyfat-mildly obese-moderately obese. Money? So many avenues to money, but you can't go wrong with getting a 4-year degree in something you care about whilst building a freelancer portfolio in something you're good at. Looks? Full-body three days a week, and there's lots of ways to season the holy trinity of lean animal protein/green vegetables/rice (and beans!) Status? As simple as being mindful of who you spend time with.
the thing is, IST is a plural community, and it just so happens that Im one of those people who have extremely good career (as a senior dev). The thing about excellence is there, the work is there, its just that my social sense is out of whack. Im not even a sperg, had multiple chances that I did score etc. Im just not in it you know? Like, my head is in a different world, constantly out of body. Im way more into it when shitposting on IST then when out there
>Like, my head is in a different world, constantly out of body. Im way more into it when shitposting on IST then when out there
Look into adhd you may have it, if ur smart u will know what to do about it
Not that guy but I've got ADHD diagnosed and been on adderall since April this year. What do you mean by this statement? Legit asking incase I'm frick8ng myself up without knowing
I'm not entirely following what you're saying, but if you're good on looks/money/status, and *can* score women, you just don't care if you do... my bro, you don't have a problem, you have a blessing.
Lmao, no, but I am a big fan.
You're absolutely right, I have said more than once that women aren't what's wrong with society, *simps* are what's wrong with society. Women talk a lot about the wage gap, but they're strangely quiet on the spending gap; women are very good at spending money, and often have access to someone else's money, which is why politicians, corporations, and the media pander to women in such a shameless and relentless fashion.
This... isn't going to change any time soon, certainly not overnight. Most women, whether consciously or otherwise, whether able to articulate it or not, are at least somewhat aware of the tremendous power simps have handed them over the past decade or so, and ardently defend their simps; the Pokimane/ItsAGundam situation is an excellent example of this. And of course, criticism of women, no matter how objective, constructive, or well-intentioned, is generally painted as muh-soggy-knees.
I think things are going to get better. Not overnight, but people can only ignore their own experiences and observations for so long. Men are catching on that commitment, and especially marriage is, in it's current state, something only fools partake in, and that dedication to one's self-interest and self-actualization is the only sane path forward. Women are catching on to the fact that it's easy to find a guy to frick them, but basically impossible to find a man who is up to their standards who will put a ring on it. Women have also caught on that being able to do whatever you want is inherently tied to having to live with the realities and consequences of what you've done. Even the simps are starting to get wise to the fact that the sunk-cost is never going to pay off.
(just a little more to add)
What I'm saying is, we've come to a point where something has gotta give. Men are done assuming all the traditional responsibility with *none* of the traditional authority.
I'm not saying we should regress to the 1950s and treat women like property, I'm saying the reality of it is this, women can't expect to be equals in responsibility and agency and while opting in and out of being equals of responsibility and accountability as it suits them.
Shaming tactics and playing the victim have finally plateaued, and are now starting to curve downwards, in diminishing returns. Men are either simps or are off chasing excellence, and don't fricking care. Women are starting to realize that you can't have a "hoe phase" that lasts for a decade+ and have zero respect or reverence for masculine virtue, then expect to find someone with the means and inclination to protect and provide. Women are starting to realize that there's no amount of screeching, shaming, or #hashtagging that will save the from the reality that if they want a man who is worth anything to commit to them... they have to be worthy of commitment.
well said
>women aren't what's wrong with society, *simps* are what's wrong with society
both are, and even more importantly we shouldn't minimize the role that media and other narrative-shapers (that socialize the externalities of their activities) play here
>I think things are going to get better
amen
>Chase excellence, not women.
Holy shit it’s actually Richard Cooper
great post, although I'd add
>"Good enough" isn't good enough, it never was, and if you haven't noticed, women are done pretending that it is.
(wo)men's expectations are set by their environment, and media's been blasting "you're a princess you deserve the perfect partner don't settle for anything else" for a while now
until everyone's that perfect, that will result in more and more people being alone, lonely and usually turning bitter and dysfunctional
neither that, nor people being zero-effort losers is good, but a balance (get people to improve a reasonable amount, adjust expectations to be less delusional) would be what we should be striving for
doesn't change what most anons here should be doing, but it does give an additional stretch goal for those that want to work toward unfricking society a bit more
don't reply to bait
I don't think the person who made that graphic realises that most 20yos and pretty much every single 10yo plays vidya all the fricking time. the biggest slayer I know plays xbox for 3 hours a night.
How would they know, the ones who have any actual real life experiences don't make these kinds of charts. Blackpilled incels blackpilling other incels, the blind leading the blind.
have a nice day you worthless mongoloid
>muh sloppy seconds
You have extreme delusions of both ken and women, however, I am sure your assessment of yourself is perfectly accurate.
*men and women
Honestly this chart is pretty shocking to me, I knew the "hurr wiener carousel" thing was redpiller bs, but this seems extreme in the opposite direction. Is this lifetime sexual partners or only for one year?
This is one year. From the General Social Survey out of UChicago. The biggest drivers of young people having less sex is lowered alcohol consumption making women maintain their natural risk aversion to sex.
The survey also showed men were having slightly more sex than women, and inversion of the 2018 survey.
In general people dramatically overestimate how much sex is being had and who is having it due to media portrayals of promiscuity. Most people are having sex in relationships.
If you work on yourself and your sociability and have healthy expectations, and actually put yourself out there in social situations, you are likely to get into a relationship in less than a year.
This just in: women lie.
...
No, like, a lot.
>I knew the "hurr wiener carousel" thing was redpiller bs
More like you're coping and don't want to believe it. Seriously just stop and think about it for a minute, really think about some of the women in your life, how many relationships they've been in, how many times they've talked about "hooking up" with someone, it adds up fast.
>Is this lifetime sexual partners or only for one year?
The language implies per year, and even then, they're trying to say 85% of nubile, college-aged women are either only having sex with one person, or not having sex at all?
>doubt
Like I said, women lie.
Speaking of lies, you wanna know a great one? The entire concept of a "hoe phase." Ever notice how these "phases" tend to start somewhere in the late teens or early 20s, and then last for a decade or more until they hit the big three-oh, and all of a sudden they're "tired of all the games, and ready to settle down?"
It's because they haven't put it behind them, they're still hoes, they've just realized they're now hoes with limited options and want to lock down a betabuxxx while they still can, before they become a dog mom or wine aunt.
>everything that proves me wrong is a lie
>all the women are conspiring against me
One day you may realize that no one liking you is justified and you don't deserve attention as you are.
It's much worse than that. Everyone "deserves" the attention that the person you're responding to wants. The issue is that they don't deserve it because they're special or unique, but because they're a human being and all humans have value. And yet the person you're responding to rejects that basic tenet of life and actively works against it, thus ironically helping deny themselves what might actually make them happy.
[reddit space]
They are in hell. And like all who dwell in hell, they deserve it.
>[reddit space]
heh'd
And the female defense force, right on cue. How's it going, simp?
>everything that proves me wrong is a lie
I'm still waiting to be proven wrong. How credible and objective can the data from a "trust me, bro" poll be? The average age at which a woman loses her virginity is 17.2 (per the CDC if you care about citations, or even know what a citation is, you fricking peasant) which alone tells us the graph is suspect.
But hey, the world isn't made entirely of stats, metrics, and graphs, so let me hit you with some common sense: people, young people especially, like having sex. Women have sex with who they want, men have sex with who they can (which for most men, in current year, is nobody) and while promiscuity varies between individuals, it's very unusual for a woman who is old enough to drink to be chaste, and most collegiate women think nothing of "hooking up" (note the sanitized language that is commonly used) with two more men in a given year.
>all the women are conspiring against me
Literally never said anything that even remotely resembles something that could be paraphrased as such.
>One day you may realize that no one liking you
Bro I don't think you understand just how not mad I am. Plenty of people like me, women especially, even though I'm admittedly a bit of a dick, but I'm fit and attractive so I'm not "an butthole" I'm "confident" and "assertive" and "funny."
Cope, seethe, and of course, dilate.
Facts.
Bro, knowing you can trek, swim, and climb to places other "men" are too weak or obese to reach is it's own reward.
Ironically enough, the best way to succeed with women is to completely disregard them and focus on literally anything else. If you're focused on taking care of your body and your money, I promise you won't have to give women a second thought; they'll come to you.
Good shit anon, gotta crawl before you can walk.
>I'm still waiting to be proven wrong.
You need to prove yourself right first. The other anon posted a study, you just said "nuh-uh".
>How credible and objective can the data from a "trust me, bro" poll be?
Not extremely credible, but more credible than you saying "Doesn't fit my preconceived bias, sounds like bullshit".
>You need to prove yourself right first
Shall I also provide proof that the sky is blue? That water is wet? That the sun is hot? Jesus it's like I'm talking to flat-earthers.
People like sex. With the exception of religious/mental health fringe cases, people are having sex. Interacting with people should be all the "proof" you need of this. There's an entire social movement, you may have heard of them, called Incels, who are defined by their lack of ability to have sex despite wanting to.
Talk to the people in your life, compare experiences. Women aren't shy about this kind of stuff, they think being a bawd is cute or empowering or some shit. Generally speaking, if a collegiate aged woman is not in a relationship (and sometimes even if she is, 'cause, ya know, every day we stray further from God's light) she's going to frick between 2 and 4 men a year. Some women frick (way) more, some women frick less, but that's a pretty accurate estimate.
>The other anon posted a study, you just said "nuh-uh"
Which is fair, because that anon's "study" effectively amounts to "uh-huh." There's no control. No objectivity. I can safely assume there's something amiss, purely by the knowledge that a female virgin over the age of 21 is basically unheard of.
>really think about some of the women in your life, how many relationships they've been in, how many times they've talked about "hooking up" with someone, it adds up fast.
I'm trying, but I don't think I've ever heard a women talking about 'hooking up' other than overhearing random conversations in college. I have one sister in her mid-twenties that has had one boyfriend, another in her early-twenties who has never had any kind of relationship (that I know of). Both of them have normie personalities but live at home and only leave the house for class, work or to hang out with friends (once every few weeks at most). If they are riding the wiener carousel, then they are good at hiding it. Every female friend or acquaintance I can think of has had one or two relationships maximum in the time I have known them, but they are all awkward or 'nerdy' to some degree, so maybe it's not an accurate sample.
I think you're a normalgay and doing the classic normalgay thing where you project your own experience onto other people and then claim that it's 'common sense' when it's just an appeal to mainstream opinion. Even if my anecdotal evidence is an outlier and 99% of women are taking a different wiener every weekend, that still leaves tens of thousands of women who aren't. Most people on IST are probably outliers themselves, so why worry about what normalgays are doing?
I should've added this one too. This chart is number of partners in the past 5 years. It is the closest stand in for measuring virginity/inceldom. Notice that while the none group is 5-6% for both men and women, making it uncommon but 5-6% is still literally millions of people. Notice how many have only had 1 or 2 in the past 5 years also.
The entirety of the incel description of the world just doesn't match reality.
While it is easy to feel like low or no experience means you are somehow a lesser person, it really doesn't and it is normal for sex to be something you only have with a very small number of people in your life for both men and women.
This anon gets it. It is a specialized hell of their own making, as most hells are.
Another observation, notice how the men with high partners are much higher than the number of women with high partner counts. There is a small percentage of highly promiscuous people, of which there are more men than women. It is likely these promiscuous men are sharing the same promiscuous women among themselves while the majority of the population is having sex in exclusive committed relationships.
B-But, I saw 2 separate tiktoks depicting people who have loose morals, doesn't that mean that literally everyone in the world is a harlot or prostitute? I'm having a hard time wrapping myself around this one, anon.....
ryu mogs ken
>tfw I wanted Dhalsim's physique when I was a child and I did 20 years of yoga instead of lifting
bros...
God damn lel
For me it's Cody
Bald and in my 30s,
>you look like my dad
Is exactly what these broken bawds want
you never get the time back you spent malding and posting this extremely gay meme
but i have a gf anon
we just decided to get fitter together 🙂
Chad doesnt exist, I have never met is guy who gets pussy so easily and when I hear of them they usually just go for ugly or dumbass women I didnt want anyway, only exception to this are men who work on the porn industry or famous and rich but at that points its a whole different subject.
Seen this before and all the previous great WP threads, but now I need to screenshot it and keep it with me as I stay off this site for the next 6 months.
Good luck, brahs. We're all gonna make it.
Best of luck brother
Why are you reposting this shit with shitty advices?
They are hopeful observations based on my experience that go against most of the autistic obsessions posted on a daily basis
>it takes less than a year for people to notice you lift
It's hilarious how quickly women will look at your biceps. I honestly didn't think I had anything to show but women looked at them and I thought to myself what are you even looking at? There's nothing there yet
>went down hill from struggling to surpass my own record bench press to 60kg included the bar
>I'm at the damned gym, after two whole years
it's something
best post on IST
I just wish that my Gym wasn't so crowded after six
Damn it I will get those adjustable dumbbells and bench because if I'm going to be a miserable fricker, I want to be a buff miserable fricker
>Damn it I will get those adjustable dumbbells and bench
That's how I got started almost 3 years ago. Godspeed
I love this image, it perfectly describes the homosexuals who post that copypasta
Pretty much dsgenic morons
who ruined their body
The argument of the original pasta crumbles once you take one simple thing into consideration. How do you reckon the person who typed this is doing right now? Do you think he's fit? Rich? Succesful? Loved? I doubt it. Best case scenario, he was a guy down on his luck, projecting his insecurities onto strangers just like him, who has moved on from that phase while his despair fueled rant survived. Worst case scenario, he is still in that phase, angry, desperate, resentful and desolate, maybe fat, maybe poor, maybe friendless, maybe all three. That's where his "grand" realisation led him, this is where his "enlightenment" on self improvement led him. So next time you're feeling hopeless and wallowing in self pity seems rather enticing just remember, where will the blackpill lead you?
You're welcome, b***h.
>b-b-but I wasn't a chad in high school! That means I'm correct in wasting the rest of my life just as I wasted my youth!
gritty-manga-screencap-posters consistently post the most braindead shit in the history of this website
one day we will find the link between normalgay "le masculine" tranime and terminal moronation
Cry about it blackpilled worm ;^)
you will never be a woman
Anime website, Black person
enlighten me on the media you consume then oh wise transcended one
>How do you reckon the person who typed this is doing right now?
Unironically only malding homosexuals who can't escape the crab bucket crabpost this hard. The whitepill posters are far more likely to be people who have actually gotten somewhere. Why would you be seething so hard if you made it?
The real problem with the pasta is the implication normalgays are happy or successful, which is bullshit
>it’s not too late to message the fat girl you should’ve dated in high school
I ve seen fat moron with 8/10 girls,
it's literaly all about personality+being fun+not being moron and trying
All very based points anon
even chads like christian bale look like shit at high body fat, and I swear most of the gays crying about muh genetics do shitty meme routines, never train to failure and eat like shit
The puberty one is a big one too, you're moronic if you think you're actually fully grown at 18, when I was 18 I was a 6" wristlet with narrow shoulders and now I'm 29 with 8.5" big boy wrists and tanky Chad shoulders. You're not really done growing till about 25
Kek highschool sweetheart shit never works out brah. I married at 20, fricking divorced at 24. Same happened with everyone else who stayed with their high school gf. Young love is such a meme, you dont even know what love is then lmao
Heres more whitepills bros
>dont cry about your inserts if you're dyel. Most inserts look like shit when theres no muscle development. Fill out those muscle bellies brahh
>dont compare yourself to others, only yourself. Unfortunately lifting attracts a lot of narcissists who lie about timeframes, lie about being natural, or straight up lie about how much weight they're lifting
>TRAIN FRICKING SHOULDERS, I swear it's the most neglected muscle group. I rarely see anyone overhead pressing or doing lateral raises in the gym, yet all those who dont train them b***h about them lacking
>when you're actually big you do look like you lift in a shirt. Those who say that you dont are 140lbs dyels who simply think they're big
>TRAIN FRICKING SHOULDERS, I swear it's the most neglected muscle group. I rarely see anyone overhead pressing or doing lateral raises in the gym, yet all those who dont train them b***h about them lacking
isnt fit like all over the THE PRESS movement tho
To be fair I mainly only see people discussing bench, squat and deadlift. A lot seem to neglect ohp
22 here with sub 6" wrists, not that it's a huge deal but if they could at least somehow become normal sized that'd be awesome. Were you training your wrists at all or did it just happen?
I’m still with my highschool gf and it’s been 10 years. We’re engaged and she’s very loving and wholesome. She’s only fricked me and has absolutely no social media or online presence. I think 99% of long term relationships fail because of social media
>I think 99% of long term relationships fail because of social media
I'm in the same exact situation as you, except I met her in college instead of high school so we're not engaged yet, and I can confirm this is 100% true.
>>you dont have bad genetics you are just doing somenthing wrong
Biggest lie, and victim blaming
g0 back
>does it wrong
>makes up some shit story
>blames genetics
Litteraly your fault
>>does it wrong
up some shit story
genetics
>Litteraly your fault
Victim blaming and gaslighting.
you can literaly change race,
you have all in your control
>trained for 12 years
what this means is when he lifted with his friends in high school it was 12 years ago
>trains for twelve (12) years
>still doesn't know what exercises are good for him
He's a moron
You can reply without quoting the whole post, also kys for that twitterspeak homosexual
>whitepill thread
>posts blackpill
kys
whitepills are whitepills only when they're actually right, anon.
but Yades roided from day one and the redditor is lying to himself
>same plan for 12 years
>still doesnt know what lifts are good for him
Kek, this absolutely screams "does one half arsed gym session every 2 weeks and counts that as training"
>still doesnt know what lifts are good for him
He doesn't know what lifts are good for him because his muscles grow so slowly on every lift.
because he is a dumb moron
Yates was roiding.
Also what works for you is individually different, you have no choice but trying out different routines and use what works for you. There is no one size fits all routine or diet, some respond better to volume, some to intensity, some to variety etc.
>Yates was roiding.
>but Yades roided from day one
He said he started roiding after a year and a half of training.
Based on lot's of interviews I've seen of him, he doesn't seem like the type of person who would roid from day one. Like, it doesn't match his personality or philosophy on life.
He comes across as a logical, methodical type person who would want to train naturally for a while to see how his body responds to diet and training, and then only to introduce steroids, and only for the specific purpose of competing at a competition. If he never decided to compete, he would not have used steroids.
>He comes across as a logical, methodical type person who would want to train naturally for a while.
no you fool, he grew up. he became that man after like 40 years. he started lifting in juvy. he was not a logical methodical type person in his teenagers, he was a raging criminal. do you know how fricking easy it is to get drugs in a pen?
>he was a raging criminal
You are overexaggerating
>do you know how fricking easy it is to get drugs in a pen?
He went to a detention center for a short period of time for a relatively minor crime when he was a teen. After this he decided to get serious with his life. That's when he took up bodybuilding.
Pic is around the time he had his wild teen days.
You act like he was some kind of hardcore gangster instead of a mischievous teen who hung out with the wrong crowd was smart enough to straighten up as soon as he got in trouble for the first time.
he joined a gang u dumb shithead
Teenage gangs in small town England are super serious bro.
Cope, he was natural for the first 1.5 years of training and has top tier genetics. Enough to win the Mr Olympia multiple times.
Derek MorePlates did tonnes of steroids and never got close to winning a local bodybuilding competition (he tried but gave up). It's called genetics. Deal with it angry frustrated zoomer.
obviously he has great genetics
doesnt make that pic natty
do you think ronnie coleman was natty too?
>do you think ronnie coleman was natty too?
I'm glad you asked.
Ronnie was natural in 1992, which was the year of his first Mr Olympia in which he placed dead last. He gained more than 70lbs of lean hard muscle tissue over the following several years after starting steroids post 1992 in order to win the coveted Mr Olympia for the first time in 1998 and dominate like no other before him, winning 8 consecutive Mr Olympia titles from 1998 to 2005.
He states here in this interview in 1992 before the 1992 Mr Olympia that he was natural:
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In 1991 he had similar FFMI to the top pre-steroid era bodybuilders (see pic related). Except that Ronnie had better genetics, muscle shape, insertions, small joints, muscle separation, small waist etc. which made him look more impressive at similar sizes. And overall better genetics for gaining muscle naturally, probably one of the best ever known. His top 99.999% genetic ability to gain muscle naturally is what allowed him to be superior to every other pro bodybuilder once he started taking the same drugs they did after he competed natural at the 1992 Mr Olympia. He surpassed them all easily within the space of 5 years, and dominated the Mr Olympia for 8 years to become the best bodybuilder in the history of mankind.
This is freak outlier genetics. Once in a lifetime. Most other bodybuilders once they reach the Olympia stage are already maxed out and don't really change all that much from year to year. Whereas Ronnie piled on at least 70 more pounds of lean tissue AFTER his first Olympia in 1992 where he competed naturally. This is unheard of at the Olympia level, and indicated subsequent commencement of muscle building steroids and growth hormones after the 1992 Mr Olympia in which he was a natural athlete.
Just a reminder that Ronnie got to the Mr Olympia stage in 1992 naturally. Cope and seethe everybody.
okay well at least youre actually just an autist fixated on this instead of just a demoralizing troll. i can respect it tbh
i dont agree with you but if youve spent this much time thinking about this you clearly actually care about it instead of making shit up to try to scare noobs out of lifting, i respect that sincerely
Thanks.
I also have 25 years experience in working out including 3 years of roiding at the 15 year mark. I'm just as autistic in training and dieting and acquiring knowledge (for example I literally have collected hundreds of studies on testosterone in a folder, pic related), as I am with this natural Ronnie shit. I never got anywhere close to the results that I was expecting given the time and effort I put into bodybuilding. I still train hard though, I just got back from a workout to write this.
I personally know people such as my Samoan brother in law who has never worked out in his life, because he is a lazy frick, and he, in an untrained state, carries more muscle than I did at my peak. Like WTF. I can totally understand that Ronnie could be actually telling the truth about his first Olympia being natural, as he undoubtedly has even better genetics than my brother in law, so could build an impressive physique. There are conditions like myostatin deficiency, those cows that have three times the muscle as a normal cow just standing there eating grass. Just freak genetic shit.
Anyway, one could at least pretend Ronnie was telling the truth and use it as motivation as to what is humanly possible naturally.
I admire your autism
Could you post those on a Dropbox for us anon?
of course ronnie coleman is natty wtf are you talking about?
I like Dorian but he stated (on Joe Rogan I think) that he immediately saw bodybuilding as a way out of his old life. He doesn't come across as a liar but it might not have been unlike him to be reckless and roid from day 1.
>Victim
Stop being a b***h and go train
>Victim blaming
You're the perpetrator of your own failure. Only you are to blame.
victims are usually at fault thats why someone chose to make them a victim
>really good diet
Probably fell for the vegetables meme and don't realize that hes' actually doing a lot of damage to himself. Have you noticed how "chad" eats fat burgers drenched in melted butter etc. While you eat your "healthy" vegetables meal, while thinking "just one more week of eating my 5 a day and i'll surely look like chad. It's unfair that he eats meat, honey, and raw dairy and looks like that, he doesnt even eat vegetables". Little did you know he was eating the ideal diet and thats why he looks good, while u look like a vegetable
you’ve achieved true awareness when you realize that a homemade cheeseburger is actually the optimal IST meal
isnt it sad its the overthinking nerds that actually stick to the vegetable diet, while chad eats his cheeseburgers. They blame genetics for having grey dry skin on their "perfect vegetable diet" while chad has glowing beige skin on his "chit diet". The universe is cruel some times. Right on brother!
Truepilled
Burgers are good for you
Are you full no-veg though? Or do you just have it be a supplementary part of your diet rather than a focus. I do the latter
yeah, i dont eat any vegetables. I eat some fruit that many people think are vegetables, like avocado, cucumber and squash though.I peel them and cut out the seeds. Cutting out vegetables and avoiding fiber as much as possible has fixed all the digestive issues i used to have. I remember not understanding what the frick was going on when I would get all kinds of skin and digestive issues on my periods of "really clean eating" (recommended amount of vegetables for one). My butthole would bleed, but the vegetable people would tell me that my body just had to get used to it, and that my body was detoxing. In reality I was detoxing from the toxic plant foods.
If you're doing this to get women, just don't be fat/skinnyfat
>being lean will get you more mires from women
>being muscular will get you more respect from men
You can get both btw
You know what else gets you respect from men? Running your own manufacturing facility.
Take the industrialist pill.
kenshiro poster what do
It's good that you are already past that low point in your life. As the other anon mentioned, wake up early once, suffer through the day and go to bed early. Keep that up for a week and you'll be set. These are anecotal but cheese and garlic before bed help me sleep like a baby. I would advise against hitting the gym on your first day thought, training with no sleep hinders you and can lead to injury. It's just one day of suffering anon, you can do it.
I hope they cope by dropping the pills and hitting the fricking gym
Thanks, I will definitely try the cheese and garlic technology. I think I’m going to lift today though, I get it’s not a great idea but yesterday was a rest day, I really don’t want to not lift 2 days in a row. I’ll go easy on things and just do 2 lifts [OHP and dumbbell row] 5x3 each working up to whatever weight I feel I can handle today. Gonna go as soon as the gym opens because right now I’m all wired up and full of energy, don’t want to waste it. I will stay up until at least 6 PM though for sure. Also thinking about it I’ve seen your physique before and it’s very inspiring.
Thank you brother, good luck
This is how it went
That 110 for 3 that succeeded felt so amazing
gj listening to your body, anon
Guys I can’t sleep. Pls help.
go do something. When I can't sleep and go out in my garage to work on a project I get 45 minutes in and need to sleep.
It’s already 5 am, if I do that I’ll be waking up at like 2 pm... maybe you’re right though
if you are a neet then no one cares fellow west coast bro
I am unfortunately not a NEET
Don’t have work tomorrow but this random insomnia will nuke my sleep schedule for Monday...
You need to get ahold onto your sleep schedule, anon. Best thing to do is stay up and suffer, and don't sleep until the afternoon, unless you have work that fricks your schedule, in which case being rested for that takes priority.
Yeah you’re right. I think what I will do is get off the computer in the next 10 minutes, lie down, set an alarm for 9 and get out of bed, drink a bunch of coffee and go to the gym no matter what, regardless of if I got any sleep, lift with as much intensity as I can muster, and then go home and be lazy all day. A big reason I can’t sleep is I just keep thinking about lifting lol. Both how much I want to do it and how much it has helped me in life.
Whitepillbros I've been recomping from 92Kgs DYEL to 83Kgs less of a DYEL for 8 months but I believe it's time for me to do a proper cut. Fricking tired of having extra neck fat.
The blackpill thread got deleted. Hopebros, we won.
I always like to remember that we are living in the most prosperous, safe, and enjoyable period in human history. Life really isn't that bad as long as you put some effort in.
I don’t see why me playing too much video games in high school means I should just maintain that lifestyle forever
You wouldn’t tell a heroin addict “well bro you’ve been doing heroin for years so why even bother quitting”
>but it takes effort to not be a fat lazy slob
Effort is good for you.
just do it is a legit strategy
this, we've lost many a dyel to the analysis paralysis meme
yup, any movement toward your goals (within reason) is tons better than no movement
>he says as he's been stagnating for half a week
then again I got touched by the devil's lettuce then, and that's once again proven to me that drugs are bad (for me) mmkay
Why is IST so nice today?
I saw three honest motivation threads already and have only been browsing for ten minutes.
Reminds me of pre-2014/15.
I think a lot of the old demoralizer trolls sat back and thought about how weird and pointless it is to shit on lifting when they’ve never even tried it, and then tried it, benefited greatly, and now want to pass on the good feelings
No matter what happens, no matter what you must endure, it will all be alright in the end by the grace of the Lord.
This is why you must never give up until you draw your final breath.
Getting fit will help your confidence with b***hes/hoes/women
oops, made a second thread by mistake because i searched whitepill instead of white pill. will delete when it lets me
>people who are IST are automatically considered more reliable and trustworthy than skinnies or fats because you stay consistent with diet and exercise
>"just do it" is a legitimate strategy and as long as you lift hard you will make gains no matter how "suboptimal" your routine may or may not be
>if you are fat, bodyweight exercises are MORE effective
>lifting makes it easy to lose fat by boosting your metabolism
>cardio actually becomes fun once your gut and moobs stop flopping around
>soon you will look in your day to day life how you look with a pump now
>the genetic limit is a myth until you hit like 55 years old
special request for whitepills for skinnybros, i started as a fat so i dont know what to give for my skinny frens
>Even chad can become uglier
>even chud can get prettier
>it mostly depends on howbyou let other and yourself perceive your persona
>its mostly in your head
Also haircut + healthy skin and, as much as I hate to say this, optimistic nihilism. Not downplaying the guy's success in becoming better looking, but perception of yourself in only half the equation.
>optimistic nihilism
anon this is WEF propaganda, read up on it
Is that actually Chud? I need a sauce for this shit, because that is impressive as frick.
it is in fact him
no sauce if you care that much just google his name which i dont remember
keep in mind these got him 90% of the way and you can do them in a week or less
- pic not taken up close thus perspective distortion didn't frick him up
- better lighting so skin tone looks normal
- got a less shit haircut
- something better than a tshirt
give them a try, anon
Yeah dewd just trust the unfocused poorly cropped image macro posted on IST. Make sure you base your whole life around it.
Me 24/7
nice 🙂
Guys I’m currently 204 at 14% bodyfat and I still feel quite smallish at 6’2”. What do?
Keep lifting
I went over to /gif/ to wank and found this in the feels thread. Thought it was a sign, might help someone out:
>I was in the mood for a feels thread. But at the same time I'm tired of seeing friends suffer like this. You all have worth and value. We all keep expecting to be something and become somebody. And it never feels right. Those goals don't get met. It leads to depression, rejection, stress, and sadly suicide. So why do we keep trying to be someone, when you're already you? It's vital to stop trying to be something that's loved and start loving yourselves. If you met yourself, wouldn't you get along? You love the same things. Have the same sense of humor. Have the same upbringing and outlook. You have a heart. You're not bad people at all. So stop trying to be something you're not and love the person you are. If you need guidance, follow the things you love. It may not lead to riches and things, but you love this stuff for a reason because it's simply part of you and uplifts you. That's a life, living in what you love. And I truly believe love is a little peek into heaven and God. And following what you love is your destiny. It's why it's in you to begin with. So don't give up and be who you truly are. You don't need much.
Keep keeping it real friend
Bunp
Ok whitepill me. In 2021 and 2022 I lost a grand total of 96-97 lbs
I've been like extremely depressed about this for probably 9 months now and I can count the moments of genuine happiness on one hand.
The only hope I have is that lasers and paramedical tattooing can make it unnoticeable.
You look younger, healthier and your jaw is already defined. Want to hear a whitepill? By the time you take your shirt off nobody cares about what's underneath, the girl already wants you. Keep at it brah, I'm proud of you
exercise more, good nutrition, take care of skin and there's a good chance stretch marks will resolve themselves.
?
What do you mean "resolve themselves"?
Do you know of anyone whose stretch marks resolved themselves? Any photos?
how well they heal comes down to your genes ultimately but as long as you don't have the amount of loose skin or marks someone who had surgery does it will heal on its own over time. like i said nutrition+skincare will help move the process along. may completely resolve for you or may shrink and fade over time, just like scars are different for different people.
I will need the surgery most likely.
You get good outcomes on surgery, at least as far as the silhouette goes, if you're lean. The scar is largely a matter of personal care but sometimes you can get bad healing.
I just get this sense of impending doom. Like I can't just be okay with the body I have, but there's not enough that can be done. It kind of draws parallels to troonyism to me except smooth skin is something most people just have.
I can't really see a way out but to stop trying is death.
There's more to life than looking good.A year from now I'll be a Chemical Engineer having graduated from a good school (I only say this so people realize I'm not just some NEET or guy who is half-assing life). But looking good is absolutely essential. People who don't look good are invisible.
And the idea that it might just not be in the cards for me is unbearable, but I can feel the realization just in the back of my mind gnawing away at me.
You seem neurotic about your appearance. Keep focusing on your weightloss, that's the best thing you can do for your looks. You're also most likely the only one who cares about the stretch marks. Lose the rest of the excess weight, get your degree and then relax and enjoy the rest of your progress instead of obsessing over trivial matters.
neurotic people ironically are closer to data in their observations, than normal people, just sayin. its not always bad thing
I know, but there are good outlets and bad outlets. There is only so much you can do for your appearance so obsessing over it past the fitness and grooming stage is rather useless. It's also diminishing returns at best, a relaxed and determined mind will get you farther in life than a $100 haircut
t. went what you're going through earlier in my life
Not that it matters really but that was a different guy.
Getting over it is easier said than done unfortunately and I just don't know.
I feel like you can be happy but you SHOULDN'T be. The most extreme example would be the hypothetical "experience machine" where one hooks up to a machine and lives a simulated life. Sure they'd be happy but really that pleasure is silly.
We don't have an experience machine but we do have things like escapism (TV,drugs, porn) or delusion(no examples bc whatever I say will be controversial). It feels like a form of delusion to say "oh it doesn't really matter". And I feel like if the people who said that could take all of my stretch marks they wouldn't.
I think a lot about how to move on. Generally I find that the best answer is to find something else. The issue I run into is of course that I'm not really over it and you can only distract yourself for so long.I try to think my way out of it and that has yet to work
I've got a battery of treatments I want, and getting them is a foregone conclusion so long as I have the money, for better or worse. So maybe it'll all work out in the end 🙂
Ay I'm happy to help man, you seem stressed out and I get your frustration. You don't need to have a masochistic approach to your improvement, it'll only eat away at you and it may even hinder you in the long run. That's why I mentioned in the greentext that lifting for love and hope is much more beneficial. As long as you stay away from escapism you will realise that the true pleasures in life can only stem from true efforts. Whether that be a loyal friend who always has your back, a true love that fulfills you, a delicious meal that you cooked yourself after a good workout, a job opportunity that you worked hard for, a first place at the marathon or even the little things like a new PR, the true and deserved rewards will not leave you feeling worried or anxious but fulfilled and genuinely happy. I hope the best for you friend
thats some vanilla sky shit lmao. overall get surgery mate if u really want it, and im ,,the other guy'' trust me it doesnt look that bad at least on picture not all that noticeable i think, not saying id slap it on myself(if u paid me i would because dont think it would change my life that much, in made up scenario)
wouldnt sell dick size, or wouldnt swap for indian in turn for money u get the idea. its not as bad as u think, but if it bothers you, go ahead.
Of course I wouldn't take your stretch marks. But I also wouldn't take your 100+lbs of fat, either. If a genie put a .38 to my head and told me I have to choose between receiving your stretch marks or your old fat you can bet I'm not picking the fat.
Also FWIW my biceps get stretch marks all the time and they're still kind of there but they fade a bit as well. You can also try collagen like people said, scar creams/gels, etc.
Don’t internalize anti stretch mark rhetoric, it’s for women
Men become great, on a man stretch marks are basically battle scars from an internal war. I’m proud of my stretch marks. I went from like 279 pound to 220 [aiming for like 195 and then gonna bulk up a bit] so not that much weight loss but I carried most of my fat in my gut and moobs, little in my arms and legs etc, so my gut and chest are covered in stretch marks
*270
Good job brah
Thx m8
is me. Left isn’t me at my fattest but I don’t have any pics at my fattest. I think I was maybe 235 in the left pic
We're like the same mode. I went from 270+ to 230. My weight's all in my stomach so I have a ton of stretch marks. Going to recomp down to 180 then bulk
Also I wanted to thank you, I've never talked about rhis before and it is very cathartic
don't be so hard on yourself. you need to be realistic about these things and not let your negative emotions take over. approach your skin problems like they're an engineering challenge. experiment and see what works to resolve them. if you need to stop thinking about any end goal that will always leave you disappointed and focus on the process instead.
I had some pretty big streatch marks on my lower back during puberty. They shrank and the only person who was ever commented on them was my gf, and she only noticed a year into our relationship. Look into bone broth and collagen, shit'll fix you right up
Height? Starting weight/current weight? First of all, congratulations. Lots of people talk about losing fat, very few make it happen, especially to the degree of success you've achieved. Second, as a former fat frick, can confirm all but the most extreme stretch marks go away with time, losing weight gradually helps. You lost about 50 pounds a year, which is good. Now, look into taking a solid Men's Multivitamin; you want good doses (100% DV or more) of C, D, E, and K. You may consider biotin and/or collagen supplements. Sea water and sunshine (in moderation) will also help; consider taking a month or two vacation to FL Gulf Coast/Panhandle, Miami, SoCal, or Hawaii once you graduate, to just be outside and active and expose your body to shit it probably doesn't get enough of.
At the end of the day, your body is constantly breaking down and rebuilding itself. Give it time.
>well said
Thanks.
>both are
Nah, I really think it's jump simps/men who pander to women. The 1%ers can afford to do it, and simps do it because they truly think it'll eventually pay off, but at the end of the day women are women, and are going to act like women. You can't fault them for acting according to their nature.
If you want to know why things have gotten so bad, you need only look to your fellow men. Luckily, as I said, things are getting better. Women got what they wanted, only in the most monkeypaw'd way, and they want off the ride. Andrew Tate spoke way too much truth that got circulated way too far to undue all the thinking he and his contemporaries have caused. Even the simps are catching on that a disgusting parody of intimacy in exchange for a monthly fee and donations is no substitute for what's missing from their lives. Any man worth a damn knows the only smart move is to become/remain one of the 20% and wait out the storm, or better yet, revel in it.
>I really think it's jump simps/men who pander to women
they're the most direct factor, and sure you can throw the current batch in the gas showers but we'll need to do a bit more to prevent another one from coming fresh out the oven, if you catch my drift
shouldn't have been a fat piece of shit if you didn't want loose skin and stretch marks.
pay for the surgery to remove the skin, suffer with the stretch marks. it's punishment
that being said, you look much better and could be a fricking king if you keep at it. stretch marks at that point don't mean anything, just white lines over your abs, brother
Damn, talk about putting the love in tough love
the whitepill is escaping obesity with just some stretchmarks and no noticeable loose skin means you won the lottery. especially for someone young stretch marks shrink and lighten pretty quick
the blackpill is the pelicans own your team
you are moronic.
pic related is a POPULAR STREAMER who is known for his love for debating people and being 4'7".
HE GETS GIRLS while you are thinking about laser tattoos.
Isn't Destiny a literal unironic cuck though
I don't know, I don't watch him. I know him mostly for his height.
not technically since he doesn't watch his gf getting fricked but he's a total degen so he counts as one anyway.
Also, the girls he fricks are all legitimately mentally ill. Fricking for the sake of it is fine and all but there are limits you know.
Clout (and money) goes very far in current year. Exceptions still don't disprove the rule.
Yes.
>not technically since he doesn't watch his gf getting fricked
The fact that he (claims he) doesn't prep the bull or sit in the corner stroking his micropenis while he tries to hold back the tears as some other man hits it while he pays for it is irrelevant; if you cosign on other men fricking your wife, you're a goddamn cuck.
>I don't think I've ever heard a women talking about 'hooking up' other than overhearing random conversations in college
Dude, I promise you people have overheard your sisters having those conversations.
>If they are riding the wiener carousel, then they are good at hiding it
Most women are. Most women impose on themselves this sort of, I can honestly only describe it as like a Bizarro Madonna/prostitute complex, where they believe in the sex positive/MUH EMPOWERMENT narrative, even if they aren't screaming it at the top of their lungs, yet are incapable of being transparent or giving straight answers about their own sexual experiences. A good example of this is how defensive/weird women get when their body count comes up.
>I think you're a normalgay
I'm a literal sociopath, and some of the most depraved shit I've done has been with nerdy/awkward girls at anime/gaming conventions.
Neurotypical people are habitual liars, including, and especially to/about themselves. I used to go out of my way to impregnate married randos from dating sites. People are fricked up.
Yeah sure, i grew a beard and i still look like shit
You're obese. Lose weight
>In ancient Greek cities, only the citizens were allowed to lift weights and work in the gym: slaves were forbidden.
somewhat related, some egghead on why the electric israelite is cucking you in a similar way via sleep deprivation
You are not weak but you think you are
Always keep pushing. If you can't no more you aren't even halfway through
Dont fool yourself. You know that you will feel better afterwards so why stop before you brain rewards your efforts
When it comes to the western world, the simple truth of the matter is this: we're either going to unpoz ourselves, or our way of life is going to end as external forces capitalize on our collapsing under the weight of our own degeneracy and annex the remains. You can already see this in Europe, which has chosen to not go quietly into the good night; there's a reason so many EU countries are swinging right. The thing about USA/CA is we have been shielded from many of the realities the rest of the world faces, for a very long time, by two oceans. Hard times make strong men, which create easy times, which make soft men, which make hard times. These days are coming to end; the world is getting too small for us to abide all the nonsense and degeneracy any longer. Reality doesn't care about the excuses our society is built upon.
BRICS(A) is on the rise, time to get to work, or get left behind.
And by "left behind" I mean "eaten."
>tl;dr:
Looks/money/status, frickers. Go to the gym like it's your job, find something you're good at and get paid for it, and expunge all losers from your life. Look out for yourself, and I promise you that everything else, wimminz included, will fall into place.
>the pump feels like a drug but is healthy and free
How do I stop being an Incel? I’m 20, women aren’t attracted to me and I struggle to even make friends. I can’t even hold a conversation most of the times
Acknowledge your deepest insecurities/flaws. I mean the ones your really don't want to admit. For example with myself: I genuinely do not care for my parents and if they didn't get me shit for Christmas I'd cut them out entirely. Rarely see them as is. I don't and won't tolerate their bullshit any more than what is necessary. Sounds pretty shitty, right? Well after I came to terms with how I really felt my relationship improved. It isn't amazing, but better than before. At 20 years old you are more than likely still playing a character/think you are the person you were in high school. None of that shit matters.
TL;DR:
>acknowledge all the ways you suck ass
>figure out ways to improve
>be genuine with yourself and not some fake character
what anon said also read mark manson's models
ignore the cuck language in some places and focus on the useful meaning underneath
>if you put in 3 years of hard work you can drastically change almost any aspect of your life and physiology
It's as simple as that.
damn
very nice
>mogs all of IST
I just want to add a small detail: these graphs don't differentiate between straight and gay people, who are wayyyyyyy more promiscuous.
Just give up blackpiller, you've given up on everything, might as well let this silly crusade of yours go.
Deadlifted for the first time today btw, did 15Kgs per side just to stay safe. I could have pushed much more but I want to make sure my form is correct before I do anything mental
Here is the biggest white pill for all you young men out there
>Most men look around average and most women look around average
>The average women is attracted to the average man
People push so hard to try to destroy this idea but it is true. If you're simping for some chick who won't give you the time of day it doesn't mean that women only go for the top 10% of men, it just means that she's not right for you and she's probably kinda a b***h. Move on and go after another chick, one you actually get along with.
giving up on woman is not a bad idea
looking good helps but it doesnt compasate for being a looser
Those in recovery from drugs and alcohol will tend to overachieve in the gym so if you get sober jump in as soon as possible. I’ve made so many gains in the last 7 months. Looked at a pic from May and then one now and I literally cracked up imagining me just beating up the former self. It becomes an addiction, one that’s healthy.
Never understood those blackpill memes. They're clearly targeted at suburban virgin teens in the west, they're not really relatable for successful adults or anyone with general life experience outside of that context.
>They're clearly targeted at suburban virgin teens in the west
and post-teens
target those that are having a shit time, psyop them into thinking it's even worse, and you've got a bunch of people that are much easier to control (or cause chaos)
worked with the sjws, works with the blackpilcels
now whether that's done solely by true believers, or also by entities that like to stir shit up, is an exercise left for the reader
It’s over isn’t it
now i dont know if u are a troony or u just have gyno but in both cases
>save money
>get surgery
it is literally that simple
It’s literally just confidence. I‘m skinnyfat and just completely average looking face wise, and I’ve pulled dozens of women way above my league because I’m borderline sociopathic or something in the way that there is literally nothing in terms of social interactions that causes me even the slightest stress response and additionally I really don’t care about them, me or wether I’m successful or not
bum
Ill never be a woman soo it doesnt matter i lift to cope and try to get happiness on the small things of life and also do swimming because the ocean is dope af
Why do you want to be a woman you fricking idiot
Do you think women are better than you?
>foodschizoposting in whitepill thread
I wonder if this is a homegrown psyop, or something more astroturfed to frick up the easily influenced
>tfw finally starting to see my jaw
all the motivation I need to keep on cutting tbh, hadn't seen that fricker in ages