Why are deadlifts so hated?

If you search for "deadlifts" you'll come up with countless results like
>Deadlifts are KILLING your gains
>Deadlifts are OVERRATED
>Why you should NEVER do deadlifts
>Deadlifts are USELESS for muscle building
Why is it so trendy to hate on deadlifts in the fitness community?

  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Makes my balls hurt.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The garden gnomes wanna keep up us weak anon.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Normies get freaked out by deadlifts and squats so tend to look for excuses to avoid them. That’s pretty much it

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're hard to do and very taxing, and they don't look "good" to non lifters.
    Gat some random woman, put her in gym attire and let her do squats. Film it, put it on the internet and you'll have yourself a widely watched video.
    Get some greasy powerlifter who deadlifts 400kg, put him up and you'll have 13 views by some Bumstead wannabes.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hard to get the form right.
    Easy to get sore lower back and grip.
    Unable to do high volume without high fatigue.
    Unable to clearly see specific areas hypertrophy.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      to be fair, my deadlifting form used to be really bad, to the point that I fucked my back for several weeks because of it. then I learned that I wasn't utilizing my legs properly at the beginning of the motion. you really just have to learn to push off the ground with your legs and you will avoid back pain, it's that simple.

      ironically, the thing that hit this concept home the most was what my mom said while I was lifting a bunch of boxes:
      >Remember to lift with your legs!

      Why does my own mother, who barely exercises, understand this concept better than every failed deadlifter out there?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is a lot of retarded fear-mongering about how "dangerous" they are but most of the pushback is from how people have deeply entrenched their ego onto the lift and pushed it on everyone. When it comes to building muscle they are generally overrated.
    >inb4 people dont use them to build muscle
    They do

    https://www.t-nation.com/training/unpopular-opinion-deadlifts-arent-that-great/amp/

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >unpopular opinion
      This is what bothers me most about deadlift hate. It's not unpopular to hate them, it's the dominant trend. It's like that subreddit r/unpopularopinions or whatever where people post the most popular opinions as if they're unpopular.
      >Hitler was a bad guy
      Wow such brave and controversy

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's unpopular among serious lifters, just not the dyels who only ever touch machines

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think bodybuilders avoid them because they are very fatiguing relative to hypertrophy gains or some body builder bullshit like that.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I only do romanian deadlifts. Am I missing out brehs?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, do romanians And conventional

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because back in the dogmatic SS days they got shilled HARD.

    People would come up with all sorts of nonsense like "you can't make gains if you don't deadlift".

    People have now realised that it's all nonsense.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. DL hate is an overcorrection for DL worship. If you weren't in this spheres 10 years ago it might not make as much sense.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. DL hate is an overcorrection for DL worship. If you weren't in this spheres 10 years ago it might not make as much sense.

      I've only been into fitness for 3 years, so it's interesting how the pendulum has swung over the years. It used to be all high rep isolation, then swung to heavy compounds, and back and forth. Where are we now?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Rep range depends on goals and exercise selection and exercise selection is largely about preference, anatomy, and availability. That said natties who exclusively isolate and never go below sets of 10 are 99% dyels

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    they're hard so you can shill and have clickbait to not do them.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hard
      >every skelly's heaviest lift

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You ever been in a gym? The skelly's break their backs trying to hit 2pl8s. Maybe my gym is full of weaklings, but the only dudes with a big diddly are the big dudes.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        do them conventionally, controlled and heavy for volume then get back to me.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have never done them any other way

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Skelly's" being able to move the most weight on it is not an indicator of ease. Also obviously it's their heaviest lift, it's everyone's heaviest lift outside of leg press and trap bar. Squats are harder than bench press even though they're heavier, wow, who would have thought

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    because deadlifts are completely overrated and not a good indicator of strength.
    there are better exercises for every muscle group involved in the deadlift.

    also as the other anon stated it was shilled hard with little noticeable benefit so there was a huge influx of hate against it. all things balance the equation.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its owed in part to idiots loading the bar, lifting with awful form and then just dropping it instead of putting it down.

    It's got a terrible reputation

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you deadlift you lift for gay men

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >only creates T-rex body with barrel gut and big butt
    >stupid ego lift with little real-world benefit
    >not even very impressive or attractive as an ego lift, compared with squats
    >hernia-town

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      deadlift was the only lift i automatically had all functional strength for day one of lifting.
      >first time i every deadlift
      >do 3pl8
      >heaviest thing in my house i'll ever lift is a water heater
      >not even 3pl8
      i just never had a reason to do them

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    because deadlifts are shit for building muscle and the only strength you get on them is specific to the deadlift

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Deadlifts were highly recommended when I was taking Brazilian Jiu jitsu, instructor and students all claimed that it was one of the most functional lifts to build because it directly affected how easily you can control and throw your opponent around.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's bullshit

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        your instructor is a retard.
        no one in a fight is going to wait for you to spend ten minutes putting on your little lifting straps and psyching yourself up for a measley 2pl8 lift.

        throwing people around is explosive energy.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >explosive energy
          I mean, that's what a deadlift is.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >deadlift
            >explosive
            want to know how I know you don't lift?
            you think deadlifts are suppose to be explosive.
            deadlifts are for lifting up an extremely heavy object with safe form, moving said object, and safely putting it down.
            There is nothing explosive in that movement.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              You pretty much have to explode off the ground. Unless it's a 1 rep max, deadlifts usually aren't usually very slow and controlled.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Great way to injure your back

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Check out the guy who doesn't follow the path of Boogs

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shh. Most retards here don't lift and the ones who do don't know what they're doing.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are you more autistic than the rest of this board? What part of that implied that building strength is the same as literally doing deadlifts in the ring?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Zercher is even better building that strength, both great for improving grappling

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >because deadlifts are shit for building muscle

      Lifting heavy does shit for building muscle

      kek

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the only strength you get on them is specific to the deadlift

      wtf does that even mean? If I do leg curls, do my biceps get worked?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, your biceps femoris might :^)

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Training deadlifts are only good for deadlifts. It doesn't adequately grow the muscles used and is just an excuse for people to say they lift a big number.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >starts with 1pl8
          >months later is on 3pl8s
          >It doesn't adequately grow the muscles used and is just an excuse for people to say they lift a big number.

          gtfo here

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          This makes no sense at all. You are training your BACK. You use your back all the time. Either S tier bait or sub 60 iq

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    because I have weak grip and can't go up in weight even if my back doesn't feel it

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't meet my goals so I don't include it in my routine.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poor SFR and not the best hip hinge for hypertrophy, plus IST is insecure about seeing small roasties pulling 6 plates regularly on it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's the best hip hinge?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        My favorite is goodmornings, but a ot of people like RDLs

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    These are your deadlift haters, anon.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because people who write articles are inherently weak. Nobody who literally blogs for a living is masculine nor do they have the fire inside that is required to have a respectable deadlift (600+ pounds). It's the exact reason anything related to bodyweight exercises is pushed so hard in literature.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Arnold wrote monthly columns for Muscle & Fitness and Flex.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a difference between writing and writing for a living.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw my max deadlift is 590lb

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need deadlifts if your goal is to build muscle which is the main reason 99% of dudes go to the gym
    It taxes you with in little return and it's mostly strength
    There are ways around it if you want hypertrophy

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    In my morning session I watched an adult man use the hex bar with less than 40kg of plates.
    In my evening session I watched an adult man deadlift 70kg for reps.
    I just want to tell them there’s literally no point in doing such a thing. It’s super beta behaviour. Where’s their urge to max out?
    Do they even notice that I’m literally snatching more than they’re deadlifting?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Funny, I saw an older lady today, maybe 60, doing trap bar deadlifts with 10 lb bumper plates. I had the opposite reaction to you. I thought "good for her. She's strengthening her back, bones and muscles to be healthy in old age." Not everybody wants to be a super beta alpha chad. The idea that deadlifts are useless if you're not rupturing a disc is retarded. Stop being a dick. You'll live longer.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        She’s a 60 year old woman doing (I assume) 45kg limited ROM deadlifts. That’s probably in the 95% of strength for her age.
        I’m talking about people in their early 30s who will get almost no training effect from what they’re doing. Ultimately we train in pursuit of some vitality, they’re just wasting their time.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe they just recently started lifting and are easing their way into it. First a broom, then the bar, then super light weights etc. 70kg is 1x the bodyweight of a lot of people which given many types of constraints can be all some people can or should deadlift for reps.

          Here's an idea - if you're such an expert on it, and you are 100% confident, why don't you say it to them? Nobody likes to be corrected, but I am sure they would be grateful for it if they were completely wasting their time.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            > First a broom, then the bar, then super light weights
            It’s a deadlift not a fucking clean and jerk.
            Being able to lift more than 50kg off the floor is a basic thing untrained men should be able to do.
            If I was to train them, I would give them an empty bar and cue them. But these people are self conscious enough already, and why should I coach them?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >But these people are self conscious enough already, and why should I coach them?
              Because it bothered you. It bothered you enough to bring it here, why doesn't it bother you enough to challenge them on it? Then maybe everything would be resolved. I really mean it, go and say it to them, see what answer they give. Maybe they are doing it all wrong and had no idea. Whatever the case noone here wants to listen to your shit.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                We all have to start somewhere, but when 75% of adult men in my gym are like this I have to assume there’s something more wrong than a bunch of novices struggling.
                It’s just hordes of desk jockeys never progressing because they have no desire to improve.
                All they want is to look passable to their bumble date.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're just inefficient for building muscle. I have a home gym and moved into an apartment last year which meant I had to stop doing everything from the floor. I went to Romanian Deadlifts instead and I got mad gains in my hamstrings. I personally find them more fun too. I'm never going back to conventional and the way some people talk about them it's obvious that it's a pure ego lift.
    I do rack pull shrugs for my traps and those are fun as fuck too.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they scare dyels

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Conventional deadlifts kinda suck fuck. The risk-to-reward ratio is just too high. Even if you think your form is incredible, once you start getting near your 1rm, your form starts breaking down incrementally. And if just one thing is off by a bit much, your back will go because of the lever (the barbell and weight) torquing on your spine. Even the "elite" lifters eventually destroy their lower backs. It's just the nature of the lift and the nature of getting closer to your 1rm with the conventional.
    Now Jefferson deadlifts give you all the same benefits without the risk of destroying your back because the weight is directly below your center of gravity, so there is no lever to worry about. And they actually give you some anti-rotational strength as well.
    But neither are needed to workout your back. They just happen to be convenient exercises if you have a barbell.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You should pay less attention to the top articles you see. Here is why.
    >Make clickbait article about why deadlifts suck
    >The only people who click it are those that like deadlift and wonder what the article could possibly have to say
    >Realise its all bullshit
    >Too late, article got clicked, ad revenue secured
    >Google realises its profitable, bumps the result higher

    You could easily find hundreds of articles about why the deadlift is great, its just that right now the negative ones are more trendy.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the fuck is wrong with me if I can RDL easily, but suck at deadlifts? I can RDL 305lb for 3x5 slow and deep, but I struggle to do 3.5pl8 deadlift for reps and 4pl8 is just out of the question. I can't seem to feel my hamstrings or brace my core to protect my lower back with normal deadlifts, but no issue with RDLs. I don't understand, and I've pretty much given up.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Deadlifts are killing your gains
    You can certainly argue that they are extremely taxing
    >deadlifts are overrated
    Yes.
    >why you should never do deadlifts
    You can do them, i personally dont care
    >deadlifts are uselsss for muscle building
    Not useless but certainly not ideal. It's an ego lift, lets be honest

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      nobody knows that i deadlift. nobody is measuring my muscle activation. i alone know how much work deadlifts are putting in, and if you cared about working out effectively and efficiently enough to overcome the mental barrier of deadlifting then you would too

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Inane posts like these are starting to drive me insane

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    just split the diddly (hip hinge/squat/floor pull)
    into 3 lifts that make up its movement pattern
    >Hip hinge: back extensions, rdl, sldl, hip thrust, kb swing
    >Squat: back/front squats, hack squats, goblet squats, leg press
    >floor pull/row: seal row, pendlay row, seated row, floating bent over rows

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    high fatigue/energy/stress cost for minimal volume gains. Study after study have shown that volume is the #1 determinant of gains.

    So tell me, as somebody who goes to the gym to look good, why should I deadlift 505 5x5 and be too exhausted to do anything else that session, instead of 30-40 quality sets in the 12-15 rep range? It's not even about injury risk, heavy deadlifts just serve no purpose if you want hypertrophy gains.

    35 sets vs 5 sets. No competition. Unless you want to compete or a bigger deadlift, they're just pointless. Im telling you this as somebody who can rep 2/3/4/5, the only "compounds" I do are heavy barbell rows because they are worth the fatigue investment, and if there are a lot of hot girls around the racks i'll OHP 205-235 lb. That's literally itt. Btw 95% of the guys I see deadlifting religiously are lifting sub 4 plate, and I really think they do it just for internet cool points. I have a theory that these compound lifters who lift rather baby weight gain some sense of superiority over the guys who mostly use machines (like me), even though im 210 5'11 11% bf and regularly get asked when my next show is (Not natural)

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's a lot of words just to tell us that youre DYEL

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        literally 98% of the people I see at the gym deadlifting are DYELs, I have actually never seen somebody who looks good deadlifting at any of the gyms I've ever gone to. Even the guys who think they're lifting heavy (450ish) look like skeletons. Also, there is a more of an affinity for brown people to deadlift for some reason. I think that is another reason the IST/reddit crowd loves them. You're/they're not white.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Posting here since /plg/ isn't answering
    >I switched to trap bar deadlifts from conventional for fun last time and maintained my linear progression. If I go back to conventional, should I keep up with my linear progression or reduce the weight by around 20 lbs? I know most people are stronger pulling trap bar compared to conventional.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you expect anyone to answer this? Why are you even asking this rather than trying it out? If you can pull the same weight then great, if not then uhhhhhhhhh deload I guess.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I just don't want to get a slipped disc when trying it out. Thanks anyway.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Conventional deadlifts kinda suck fuck. The risk-to-reward ratio is just too high. Even if you think your form is incredible, once you start getting near your 1rm, your form starts breaking down incrementally. And if just one thing is off by a bit much, your back will go because of the lever (the barbell and weight) torquing on your spine. Even the "elite" lifters eventually destroy their lower backs. It's just the nature of the lift and the nature of getting closer to your 1rm with the conventional.
    Now Jefferson deadlifts give you all the same benefits without the risk of destroying your back because the weight is directly below your center of gravity, so there is no lever to worry about. And they actually give you some anti-rotational strength as well.
    But neither are needed to workout your back. They just happen to be convenient exercises if you have a barbell.

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like deadlifts because the day after my legs feel so strong also I want to be able to pick up any one incase of an emergency.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ironically deadlifting a dead weight person is really fucking hard. Squatting down to hoist them over your shoulder is far more efficient. Or you can try to be a tacticool badass and shatter their ribcage doing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPrATJ-u5Rg

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