Why are so many people who are 30+ so out of shape and look like shit? Big visceral fat bellies, terrible skin and balding. They look like they've given up on life.
Is this what full time wage slave life does to you? I feel like its easy to stand out as a 30+ year old if you are somewhat in shape
It's what your body looks like if you eat highly processed simple sugars as your primary calorie source while living a primarily sedentary lifestyle with multiple vitamin/mineral deficiencies.
This. A lot of the negative things people attribute to aging are in fact the accumulative effect of decades of consuming fake chemical food and sugar as well as not exercising.
Also once men get in long term relationships they lose their incentive to stay in shape
yeah basically this.
also once your test starts dropping off (happening to guys in their early 20s now due to microplastics) you just turn into something that looks like a baby but scaled upwards. skinnyfat, big belly but ribs showing, zero legs, hank hill ass, hunched posture, you know the vibe.
people also make a shitload of excuses for how they want to spend their time. frankly i understand where it's coming from, everyone is spiteful that they have to grind a career for so much of their day, but you can't let that undermine your health just because you want to throw a little tantrum about it and go home and goon or whatever the frick people do instead of lifting.
>everyone is spiteful that they have to grind a career for so much of their day
People were fine with this. Boomers never complained. It's just all the weak younger generations but I don't fully blame them. Perhaps the coworkers of the younger gens are "shittier."
Older generations didn't have inflation this bad and actually could progress their career
Now the only way to move up is job hopping with no stability
They're not okay with grinding because they enjoy no benefits that previously came with that lifestyle. No wife, no kids, no house, just you and your small studio, forever. Why would they grind... Any suffering is bearable when you have a why.
Boomers also had much much more financial incentive to grind. Today just being average gets you a 1 bedroom apartment and a lifetime of just getting by. The average worker 40 years ago got a house, cars, and a family. You don’t have a family if you don’t have a house.
That’s because work actually made you feel like a man. You went to work with people that were like you, you worked with your hands or in other leadership positions that had you directly interfacing with people, and you went home to somebody who appreciated your labor. You also weren’t expected to be ‘on call’ for the wife all day long when at work and ‘on call’ for work when at home.
These days work is worse in all ways. The digital era fricked us
>Also once women get in long term relationships they lose their incentive to stay in shape
You appeared to have a typo fren. I fixed it.
>Is this what full time wage slave life does to you?
Yes. But you have to realise something first. Normals don't know a damn thing about nutrition. Most spent their twenties without ever having learnt how to cook. A burger here, some fries there, a few beers with the lads on Friday, they were never shredded or anything but their metabolism did most of the work. Fast forward to 35. They have been working in an office, getting no exercise between their desk job and their commute, eating whatever slop is served in the cafeteria. They still haven't learned how to cook and their nutrition comes from pre packaged meals or Uber eats. They don't know about fat, they don't know about protein, they don't know about carbs, macros, micros or whatever any of that shit means. Normals take food at face value. I should know, I was one of them. Bad nutrition catches up to you at one point or the other and good nutrition in the modern age requires genuine research and effort, if not outright passion.
It's the fat moron tax, which mainly kicks in when you hit 30 and your metabolism kicks in.
Your hormones aren't gonna do it alone for you anymore unless you have god-tier genes so people don't feel the drive that they had mid-20's and become fat morons. Basically you had 30 years to create your internal motivation system and if you don't have it by 30 you've really fricked up and you're gonna start paying back taxes.
It has nothing to do with them being wageslaves or whatever, most people literally just can't be bothered, they're cattle. Working out, eating right, getting enough sleep? Nah. Reading martial arts books that have much of the motivation they've been searching for in their life? Nah, youtube shit that doesn't help.
>A few beers with the lads on friday
Average american does 600 drinks a year, so basically 2 a day, and this is probably underreported. Add this on to the vast majority also not eating a single piece of fruit per day.
>Average american does 600 drinks a year, so basically 2 a day, and this is probably underreported
Probably not, I've worked in the states and Americans really don't drink much compared to us Bongs.
>Reading martial arts books that have much of the motivation they've been searching for in their life
What books?
The book of five rings is the best starting one, try to find a translation that was made for martial artists and not businessmen. It's a quick read but is really fundamental for following the way of the warrior.
After that it's
>Living the Martial Way: A Manual for the Way a Modern Warrior Should Think
This one goes more in-depth and builds off the previous book, the guy who wrote it isn't perfect but you should easily be able to just extract the good info from it.
That'll get you started. If you wanted to move away from martial arts and go more towards the philosohpy side "the four agreements" is new age stuff but offers a good framework for how you can change your life overnight by making new agreements with yourself. It's more abstract and you definitely need more of a framework to understand it and put it in practice but if you already have that level of understanding it's pretty good.
Thank you sensei
No problem anon, keep it up!
> Average american does 600 drinks a year,
Sauce? That seems ridiculously high. Even if you’re out Friday and Saturday and have 10-12, that’s a 2 a day average. Most people with jobs aren’t partying every weekend and aren’t having one or two after dinner EVERY night.
Where should I start? I'm awful at cooking and keeping track of this stuff.
cooking is pretty easy once you actually start doing it. you will probably frick up and burn your first few meals but thats fine, everyone does. Get a cast iron skillet, olive oil, salt, pepper, some basic spices (cumin, smoked paprika, garlic powder, and onion powder), a meat thermometer, and a food scale if you wanna track macros accurately.
Something I did a lot while first learning was turning up the heat way too high. My dial on the stove goes up to like 8 or 9 and I usually only keep it at 3 or so unless Im boiling water or something.
Anyway, buy some chicken breast, or lean ground beef, or steaks, or salmon or whatever protein you want, add some seasoning (be careful with salt, just a light covering of the surface area on both sides is usually enough depending on the meat/thickness), heat some oil in the pan and put the food in there. Flip after a few minutes, let it sit for a few more minutes and if its fish, you could take it off. If its chicken, leave it on until it hits 155 F on the thickest part and then take it off, flipping it every few minutes until it hits that temp. If your chicken takes too long to get to temp, you can cut it in half length-wise and butterfly, which cuts the cooking time down a lot.
Bear in mind this is very general and non specific. Often with something like ground beef I just wont use any oil and just cook it straight on the pan.
Also look up how to season and care for a cast iron pan. Its brain dead easy and helps a lot but definitely isnt required if you dont feel like it.
This is kind of all over the place and not focused and was more a stream of conscious so I apologize if its unorganized or hard to follow. I just wrote tips that would have helped me when learning how to cook
Cast iron is a reddit meme. Just get a non stick pan
I agree theres a bunch of weird nerds on reddit that onions out over cast iron, but I like cooking with more than non stick. maybe I just have shitty non stick pans, but cast iron is easier for me to clean too
More power to you if you enjoy them but for a new cook, but how is it easier to clean for you? I also hate how no matter how well seasoned it is, some things like eggs still stick
>some things like eggs still stick
nta but have you tried to absolutely drown them eggs in rendered fat (I use lard mostly)? Tastes great and doesn't stick
don't use a non stick pan unless you want teflon leeching into your food and poisoning you. use stainless steel or cast iron. To make it non stick you need to bring the pan up to moderate temperature, usually medium heat for a couple minutes, then add oil (i use avocado) then swirl it around in the pan to evenly coat. let it sit for another 30s. Pan should be hot, but not so hot the oil is smoking. At this point you can add eggs, meat, whatever and it won't stick. WIth meat it will still leave some fond on the bottom of the pan, but that's a good thing. You can make pan sauces or cook your vegetables in there with some water or broth to scrape up the fond, infusing them with more flavor.
This is very true. Clean up is the worst part. Most people would rather not cook than clean their heavy annoying fricking cast iron pan. Non-stick reduces friction to near 0 and boosts the likelihood of people cooking by a huge amount. Cast iron is like giving someone who never went to the gym a PPL mike israetel deload meso cycle carb cycle reverse pyramid rpe 2 slow concentric type of program. No, just give them a brosplit, they'll think about the details if they get really into it.
Salmon is so goddamn easy. Slap it on a nonstick pan, 6 min on each side medium high. Tastes great without any spices. Do it just to demystify cooking for yourself
>They look like they've given up on life
That's because they probably have
I never worked full time, but have had part time where it was more than 3 days in a row. Work 5 days a week is fricked and to do it every week is insane. Add a decade of wage slaving while your country's subhuman population is growing and yeah, most people gave up. And things got pretty bad in 2016 and a lot worse now. If you're in your 30s working now,it must be brutal. I was working pre COVID and even then I noticed how shitty work was.
Add the fact that during lock downs, our borders were still open, so in 2024, there was a huge demographic change. If you work, these are the people you see every day.
>Is this what full time wage slave life does to you?
yes
you can work an office job and not be a fat piece of shit. I'm 32 and I do it. 80% of the people in my office though go from sitting in their cubicle all day, eating pizza or red robin for lunch every day, then grab Wendy's on the way home where they eat it on the couch and don't get up until it's time to go to bed. just fricking work out and eat actual food, it's not difficult.
>I’m 32
Grim
Nonce.
How do you stay consistent when the wage slave life is so taxing. I sorta understand it that you wouldn't wanna workout when you have to commute and then work is mentally taxing where you just wanna do nothing with the little free time you have
Motivation gets you started, discipline keeps you going. It can be very easy to get in the habit of "I'm not feeling it today I'll just skip this once" and next thing you know you've been out of your routine for 6 months. Those days where you REALLY don't want to do it are the most important. You don't have to go 100% on those days, just give yourself greater than 0%.
Neetbux, getting on disability was the best decision for my health I’ve ever made. Wageslaving literally kills you.
what do you do for work, in the first place
all it is really is you have to make time
set a goal hit it rinse repeat
if u werent fit in ur teens chances are ull never be
i was never fit but not fat either, do i still have a chance?
Frick off, agent of demoralisation
Most people don't put any effort into cooking or sourcing their own food. Most people do 0 excersize.
Having a 40hr work week is not really an excuse, but people use it as one.
I am 30, and I work 50hrs a week at a very physical job. I also run my 30 acre farm in my freetime and still get to the gym 4x a week to lift. Most nights I get 6hrs of sleep, weekends I usually get 8.
Most people just get home, heat up a pizza or order in, and sit in front of their TV and computers for 4-5hrs before laying in their bed with their phone for another 2. Then they say they "have no time" to workout or cook. They do, they just would rather be lazy and use that time to consoom and turn their brains off.
>before laying in their bed with their phone for another 2
Kek. This.
go play with your vidya, zoomy boy.
Work is draining. Very tiring. I don't want to do shit after work. The morning and evening commute is draining.
Eating less food requires no effort. You can never exercise and not be fat
epidemic childhood abuse and neglect
Overeating mostly.
Most humans throughout history until the last few decades never exercised for recreation but werent as fat as people are now.
People have exercised for recreation since ancient Egypt.
No shit, Mr. History Major.
But most people didnt do any of that.
You think some garment factory worker in the year 1878 came home from his 12 hour shift and did Zumba for an hour in his little NYC apartment?
Or some serf farmer went back to his hut and did aerobics?
Holy shit anon, you're legitimately sub-90 IQ
>Is this what full time wage slave life does to you
Yes. No energy or time to work out after working a full time job, for years you eventually look like shit.
Only pro athletes, neets, kids and students have time to train. If you have a normal adult life you maybe have 2-3 hours a day to yourself, during which you have to shop for groceries, cook, eat at the very least if you're autistically single. That's already little time to train, now imagine you have a gf or wife, or a good relationship with your own family.
>normal adult life
There's nothing normal about the lives most adults have these days, it's just slavery.
This is true. Fitizens will call wagucucks lazy but in the end they probably never lived the wagie life. I was one of them and it's nearly impossible to be serious about fitness while being an office wagecuck. Especially if you have any aspirations, and don't let me start on commuting 1hr and 30 mins x2 daily with the horrendous traffic conditions of most cities these days.. if you also want to have a gf? Forget it.
So I said frick that and I'm now a neet with a six pack
Frick all you israelites and wagies
moron with bad time management. I have a 9-5 blue collar and work overtime most weekends. I train 6x a week (3 boxing, 3 weight) and a couple of runs. I had a zoomette virgin gf who complains I don’t see her a lot but if you have money and are in shape they will just complain they won’t leave
yeah right i feel if you're a 9-5 its easy
sleep early, wake early gym work
its what i would do
You definitely lack somewhere because there's only so much time in a 24hrs time frame. Maybe you don't want to see it but definitely you gotta choose at some point:
Am I serious about my job and my fitness? What about my hobbies? What about my friends? My gf? Yeah but is it serious enough as a commitment and could I start my own family?
And if you don't like all that -- ask yourself: would I be more optimized in my fitness (workouts, diet, rest and so on) if I didn't have to be a wagie?
you spend 3hrs/day commuting? kekw, my apartment is 5 minutes from my office
try making enough money to actually live in the city, brokie
European?
As an American I wish I lived in a 15 min city. I would to go everywhere I wanted to go to just on a bike. I hate cars, they're expensive and parking sucks here.
>As an American I wish I lived in a 15 min city.
Funny, as an European I wish I lived in the middle of nowhere.
hey SHELBY you fricking loser how ya doing
>let me start on commuting
The commutepill is real and something that doesn't get discussed often enough. A long commute is a death sentence for your free time and energy, especially if it's some horrible shit like sitting in traffic. It's never worth it. A short commute (ideally < 15 min) is life changing. A guy who walks 15 minutes to work might as well have super powers compared to a guy who has to drive for 1.5 hours. You can look at it like it's just an extra 2.5 hours per day (which is a shit ton of time) but it's so much more than that. Really it's more like 4+ hours when you factor in the added stress, the extra time you need to decompress/prepare, the diminished productivity, the lost 3000 or so steps you would have taken on a walk etc. Guys who have full time jobs but drag themselves to and from some suburb a million miles away from where they work every day are truly and deeply cucked.
>spends 12.5% of his day commuting
>has the gall to say others are morons
Sure thing dude. I work 60 hours weeks in Jan and Feb and still workout at least 3 times a week and still cook my own meals. You’re looking for excuses rather than solutions. What’s your BMI?
I didn't call anyone a moron. But I understand your reading comprehension is gone down the shitter after so many hours of wagecucking. I don't blame you because I've been where you are, I hope one day you'll also find your freedom like I did.
Best of luck. I understand you need to eat and live but no need to suck Mr Noseberg wiener and pretend it's alright to work 60hrs per week for somebody else's money
I dare you to break this down on an hour to hour basis.
Guarantee there's a bunch of screen time there.
>I'am a lazy fat frick because i dont use the time i have so people who do must be NEETs
you are just a lazy fat frick there is no excuse
excuses. you can go outside and run for 30 min. I'd imagine your wife or gf would love to see you care about your body/health.
> you have a normal adult life you maybe have 2-3 hours a day to yourself, during which you have to shop for groceries, cook, eat at the very least if you're autistically single.
Bullshit. I leave for work about 7:30 and get home about 5:30 outside of busy season. That’s 4-5 hours of free time. I work out for 1.5 hours and that still leaves plenty of time to cook, eat, play with the dog, and hang out with my gf.
You don’t get groceries everyday unless you’re moronic. You don’t mow or do yard or house work every day. Cooking takes an hour for a more complicated meal, you can do healthy home cooked meals in 30-45 minutes. Meal prepping and eating leftovers gets you more time back. What you meant to say is
>I want to lay down and look at a screen for 2-3 hours and not have to think
I get it. We all do that sometimes. It’s making that the habit that’s the problem. Get a home gym and watch tv or whatever while you’re working out.
Alcoholism, at least in my case.
i saw a fat b***h today walking her dog and i thought to myself: how do you even let yourself get fat? Why, with all the proof in the world that being a fat frick is literally the worst thing you can do to yourself, why still become a fat frick? Why never actually see your peak body potential?
It's even sadder to me when people who are attractive and slim but they still become fat. Saw it happen to few people from high school, like does not looking at old pics of yourself not give you enough motivation to hit the treadmill?
i got fat once (during lockdown) at first it was the most fun i ever had, eating and doing nothing is honestly the most dopamine inducing thing you can do all day, it's an addiction
Because they didn't have to work for it in their teens and twenties. They're just running on autopilot.
Personally if I woke up 30 and single in the West I'd be looking to emigrate to South America.
At least it's honest about being a shithole. It's impossible to overstate the psychological damage of living in a society that rejects God, embraces satan, and then demands you celebrate it's failures as successes just to get by another day.
We literally have migrants going back to their country of origin when they realize a salary of 50k is pointless when your cost of living is 49.9k just to own the shirt on your back.
> We literally have migrants going back to their country of origin when they realize a salary of 50k is pointless when your cost of living is 49.9k just to own the shirt on your back.
No we don’t. But holy shit I wish we did
>35
covid has me gain a bunch of weight. never again. the gyms closed in canada and I took a break.
Now I'm really back into the gym. IST bulking a bit then cutting for the summer.
I think I look young but I also wear a hat. It's not that hard to look good in your 30s just give a shit and work hard.
>balding
genes
They're wankers, I was one, you have no energy when you wank too much, you let everything go and get fat and sedentary
>be in good shape from 20s to 30
>wage slaving takes it toll
>have gf/family so don't need to try as much
>grow out of trying to impress people
>realise it's actually alright living like this
completely normal phase to go through in life and I'd actually argue that if you don't think like the above you have some sort of psychological complex
>>grow out of trying to impress people
it's actually alright living like this
mehh. not really about impressing people or just wanting to look how you want. I don't really want people to check me out or try to impress people. I just do what I do. I think I'm really humble but I don't really give 2 fricks, working out is great. tbh the big muscle look is cringe. but being IST is a must
>I have committed myself to someone I claim to care about
>Impressing them is less important to me than impressing a stranger
Doesn't add up. Dudes will have this attitude and then blame her when the divorce papers get filed, and next thing you know some bitter old slob is lecturing young bloods about how women are prostitutes. Pro tip, moron: People will ALL respond to your carrots and sticks. If it's more rewarding to be a stranger to you than to be close to you, then people will choose to be strangers.
My brother in Christ you've taken a step towards your future divorce with this post, change your ways.
>People will ALL respond to your carrots and sticks. If it's more rewarding to be a stranger to you than to be close to you, then people will choose to be strangers.
explain this to me like im 5
if you have a wife/gf/kids its your responsibility as a man to lead by example. Workout. do something. raise strong kids.
I grew up with my parents doing buns of steele on vhs in the living room. I'm sure they'd be gym goers if there were more gyms back in the 90s.
my parents are now in their 60s running marathons. I can't type how proud of them I am. its amazing.
fricking stop making excuses. you'll kiss your pass self for working out even if you didn't want to "impress" people.
>be in good shape from 20s to 30
Doubt
>wage slaving takes it toll
Yes, but it’s more from bad diet
>have gf/family so don't need to try as much
Why would you not want to be the best version of yourself for the people you love the most?
>grow out of trying to impress people
Bullshit. That doesn’t end. You have way more keeping up with the Jones’s when you get older. The impressing is no longer physical appearance but money, items, and status. Which is funny because if you’re mid 30s and in shape you are always going to mog some fatass that gave up but has a nicer car
> Is this what full time wage slave life does to you?
yes but the moment you say anything some fat frick always chimes in and says his life his 100x harder
As a 30yo,
>not being fat
>not having a fat gf (I break up with women every time they get too comfortable and start getting fat)
>not having to commute to work
>not having a drug/alcohol habit
>not on any sort of meds
>having time and skill to cook
>having time to exercise
>having savings instead of debt
I feel like I'm winning even though I consider this just a fricking baseline for not being miserable. I'm still not rich, I have no family, and I barely look like I lift.
Still it's so sad to look at my age cohort. Zoomzooms ARE better than us and it's not even close
They never had the mentality to be "in shape" they were just coasting off of the benefits of youth. You are seeing their true form now.
Why not? Unironically asking. Life isnt anime, you arent some smokeshow followed by millions and inspiring the future generations. Im looksmaxxing myself, but thats because im severely mentally ill, terminally online and i hate my life and myself. I'd much rather be 30+ and content with my life, happy with how i look, happy with my wife, family, social relationships etc. Why keep the artificial rat race up? Okay you are balding, so what? Literally every single male is balding at one point or another. You already got the love of your life, not everyone is trying to meet up with teenagers behind the supermarket in their 30's.
I agree with this sentiment, at a certain point in life you start to live to die rather than look forward to anything new. I've seen this in many people over 35. Their kids leave them for new things, their parents die, their spouses are also getting old and ugly. There's just no reason is keep giving a frick.
>Okay you are balding, so what? Literally every single male is balding at one point or another.
except for some it happens before we turn 20 and ever get a gf
30 year olds are too old and wrinkly to be competitive in the dating market in that way anyways. They just leverage money
>just stop aging bro
when you're young your metabolism is higher so you can be eating more junk and not get as big but as you age your metabolism slows down so if you maintain the same diet you start getting fat.
>I feel like its easy to stand out as a 30+ year old if you are somewhat in shape
I'm builtfat and 37 that looks slim in work clothes and have a clean appearance. It's insane how much attention I get from women at work compared to when I was young. Maybe it's because I work at a hospital and they're used to seeing old people and mega fatties all day
Most develop shit eating habits in teens and early twenties when they can get away with it and not feel consequences. Then it balloons out of control and you either give up or spend your thirties fixing the errors you made. Forties is the second twenties now.
t. spending thirties fixing errors I did
It's pretty simple. Think of it like not taking care of your car. First couple years, it won't really be noticable. But several years and a bunch of mileage later, if you didn't maintain it, it's in rough shape. Not really a hard concept. You can look great when you get older but not if you never took care of yourself. You can start, too, but just like fixing up a beat up car, it'll be a lot more work to get it back in good shape if it was treated like shit for a long time. Simple concept. You don't just "fall apart after 30," it's that for most people that is 30 years of abuse and zero maintenance, so it's starting to show. And really, I don't care about their dumb excuses. I work a full time job and do a lot of overtime too, own a home, I am busy like everyone else, but I manage to make it to the gym an hour a day 5 days a week and have for 10 years now. And I still pay too many video games too. People are just lazy as frick and full of excuses for things like fitness.