Why are YOU not doing drop sets?
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Why are YOU not doing drop sets?
Why are YOU not doing drop sets?
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I do down sets which are like drop sets but good
I do.
i do lift sets
I prefer myo-rep match, as dr.israelite calls them.
>listening to dr israelite israel
i shiggy diggy
They work, so that's all I care about.
Bad fatigue to volume trade off
What does that mean and why does it apply to drop sets?
You'll know when you lift hard enough. Because pushing failure accumulates more fatigue for the same volume. Doing it multiple times is even worse and can even lead detraining if you're underestimate the amount of rest you need. But it makes people feel good because they get a pump and it looks good for a minute so they think it's doing more than it is. That said it is absolutely fine for accessories/single joint movments because they have low fatigue/recovery demands to begin with.
Don't condescend to me, homosexual. I guarantee I lift harder than you.
Also, how does doing extra reps not increase volume?
Moreover, why would increased fatigue be a bad thing? If I wanted to avoid fatigue, I wouldn't train hard in the first place.
I didn't say it doesn't increase volume. Volume is volume. Volume:fatigue is diffent animal. It's possible to equate volume with less fatigue. Or do less volume with more fatigue.
Increased fatigue relative to volume usually means you'll have to schedule deload proactively as in at set intervals like every 6-8 weeks rather than reactively (just when you feel like it's getting to be too much). Fatigue is probably one of the least tangible parts of lifting and almost all physical training apart from just pure cortisol levels and test levels falling. The reason you want to manage fatigue is because it usually means less down time, less injury risk, more consistent gains. Less frequent lifting days usually means you can deal with more fatigue but it's hard to guage without blood work and it doesn't mean you're going to gain more. So if you're doing cardio or other forms of training have an active job fatigue management in your weight lifting should be a consideration. Lots of pro lifter don't even push failure more than once every 2 or 3 weeks because it creates more fatigue with their higher volumes.
I just fatigue the frick out of myself and then recover. Less time in the gym but it's time that actually accomplishes something. If you think there's a lift that makes you bigger and stronger without a price then you're a fool.
>I just fatigue the frick out of myself and then recover.
and that's why you look like shit. post your body with an appropriate timestamp to prove me wrong or pipe down, kid.
>literally seething
How about the guy who wants to prove that there's magic excercise protocols that induce adaptation without a cost posts body?
Oh dunning kruger! He used rhetorical terminology. He must be smarter than me.
Shut up, dweeb.
There is something I think everyone misses, and is the reason so many lifters who are not athletes obsess over rest and recovery, and that is work capacity.
By never enduring and training through high levels of fatigue, they never improve their work capacity to any sufficient degree, hence have to always take excessive rest periods and can't benefit from things like drop sets as much.
It's difficult for people who don't follow programs to improve in because it's not something you can see on a spread sheet. Almost every endurance athlete has to increase their fatigue threshold at some point to progress and the same is semi-true when it comes to lifting. But from what I've seen volume is just the easier way to get there. Since all volume has fatigue increasing volume also increases your threshold for fatigue if it's done in a structured way it's usually not as much of a problem. Even if you did the same set x reps if your weight is going up so is your volume. So there's no practical way to progressively overload without increasing your fatigue threshold. And there's no way you can train sufficiently hard enough to gain from the intermediates on without fatigue catching up to you eventually.
You can do drop sets without going to failure. Just keep 1-3 reps in reserve.
Stimulus to fatigue ratio is what you're after. If you focus only on volume:fatigue you'll end up doing something like 10 sets of 20 reps with your 40RM which wouldn't accomplish much.
Semantics. Volume in most contexts means work done in a rep range and intensity hard enough to elicit a training stimulus.
even if you keep reps in reserve equal, the same volume can differ in effective stimulus. e.g. concentric vs eccentric, partial/full range of motion, max load at stretch vs flexed, etc.
also stimulus only significantly goes up with volume for a couple of sets. you get diminishing returns very fast.
More semantics and effective returns on volume is a conversation for another thread and one that has way more caveats to navigate within the existing literature. I personally just go full broscience with that one because the science seems really out of pace with what I see coaches with actual athletes under their names recommending.
most of your posts are walls of text, so it's hypocritical for you to say it's just semantics.
>I personally just go full broscience with that one because the science seems really out of pace with what I see coaches with actual athletes under their names recommending.
What are you implying is the (bro)science here? Coaches giving their athletes a ton of volume or not?
I was trying to be concise to not have excessive semantic discussions and keep retreading the same ground.
I think most fitness science personalities recommend excessive volume and training frequencies for natties despite peddling advice they claim is for natties. And generally routines that look good on paper but have virtually no fatigue management built into them. Like Mike Israetel's form of periodization that has virtually no basis in science or reality. It's just there to complicated and important but doesn't resemble anyone's style of training.
This is true.
you over sensitive paranoid b***h.
you are a dumb frick. A real fricking dunning kruger fricking moron
Drop sets have made my size explode like crazy. Why go to failure just once when you can do it three times?
i do on arms
i get sore as frick from compound movements just doing straight sets so i don't think they're necessary there
Because I have crazy stamina and don't wanna be at the gym for more than 3 hours a day
Dyel shit
Yeah I do drop sets. I drop the weights after every set.
the opposite is better