They can be progressed by weighted them, not just by adding reps.
Is it b/c they're bad for your shoulders?
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Why aren't pull ups and dips core lifts like the Big Three?
They can be progressed by weighted them, not just by adding reps.
Is it b/c they're bad for your shoulders?
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Pull ups are in my Big five.
pulls are a main lift. Just not in powerlifting competitions
Pull-ups aren't bad for your shoulders. They're actually good for your shoulders, just don't be an idiot. Do them properly, controlled. No kipping like a cross-training moron. Let your legs hang in a straight, neutral position and do not swing them. Do not do them explosively, especially in the dead hang position, unless you know what you're doing (protip: you don't). If you can't squeeze more reps do inverted rows instead of bad form pull-ups.
>don't so this
>or that
>or anything at all otherwise it doesn't count
Shut the frick up. Cross fit pull ups are valid. Should everyone stop doing cheat curls too?
Agreed, us physiotherapists need to work too, thank you based crossfit cυcks
Fat powershitters can't do them, and they controlled the online fitness sphere for a while so they told people all they need is SBD. Thankfully that's changing and people are actually listening to advice from people who know how to build muscle now.
>Thankfully that's changing and people are actually listening to advice from people who know how to build muscle now
like who?
Natural Hypertrophy, Bald Omni Man, Alex Leonidas, Basement Bodybuilding, Geoffrey Verity Schofield.
>ecelebs
Oh no...
Where else are you going to get lifting advice except people on the internet?
I'd rather ask the strongest guys in my gym for tips than some dude trying to scam kids into buying cookbooks.
All you'll get from the gym roidtroony is a meme pump routine that only works if you're blasting tren.
lol this. The roiders in my gym always do the most farcical shit imaginable. I would NEVER ask them for advice
Doing dips and pullups as main hypertrophy compouds implies you are lean enough to do them in the appropriate 7-15 hypertrophy range.
It's easier to eat as much as you want and become a fat piece of shit (15%+ bodyfat) and "lift heavy", while proclaiming you're a """powerlifter""".
>15%+ bodyfat
Assuming theyd be even 16% is optimistic. Ive seen what Rippetoe does
>and become a fat piece of shit (15%+ bodyfat)
>15% body fat is bad guys. You have to look like athleanx!
Because they require you to be lean and somewhat athletic to perform. It’s why powerfatters are in denial that these excercises exist. Same reason powerfatters make up a million excuses to not do cardio, or to always take the elevator instead of the stairs.
you are delusional, every powerlifter below 140 kg and above 300 dots can do pull-ups for reps
Not really, they can't. I doubt most powerlifters can do 10 full range military pull ups, it's sad. Dips are much easier but still the range of motion and not being able to abuse leg drive and arch makes a lot of powerlifters struggle.
SBD was always really an amerishit thing since powershitting is wedded to their Black person sports. In most of the world people care more about either the oly lifts or calisthenic gymnastic type stuff.
they are for me, theyre my main pull and push movements.
100% full range of motion gymnast style, chest to bar and shoulder touching parallels.
shoulders never felt better, honest to god i think people that snap on dips are just going too heavy too soon
the main four lifts are bench / OHP / row / pullup
you didnt know this? dyel?
lm trans btw if that matters
Because 1/2/3/4 is a powerlifting centric shit metric.
Fatties can't do pull-ups because weak grip strength. They can't do dips because their weight would turn their elbows into dust, let alone get out of the bottom position.
Because most bodyshitters and powershitters are to heavy/fat to do them
You can't standardize pull-ups and autistically optimizing them means sacrificing performance in other areas, more than with most lifts. You can be good at benching and squatting, but a good squat with more muscle mass in the lower body is an actual detriment to pull-ups. Ideally, if you really wanted to max pull-ups, you would let your legs athropy to nothing, or literally cut them off.
Pull-ups are a good benchmark of overall mobility, but not really something to minmax.
probably the same reason OHP was removed from powerlifting-type competitions. It's hard to agree on the correct rules and form.
Look up those videos of how people lean back to do a standing incline bench in OHP competitions.
bros I like doing pull ups but every time I do dips it feels like I'm going to grind my elbows into a fine powder which is why I avoid them
what do
Assisted dips on the machine until you get used to the movement
IST maybe won’t believe me but after moving i streamlined my routine to essentially just dips and pullups (with some accessories and cardio) and have never seen such gains in my entire life. As a lifelong DYEL I finally started hearing “wow you’re really filling out your clothes” type comments. I have moved onto adding weight to the movements which is fun whenever you hit a plateau just throw weight on and restart. I recommend to any anon who might be feeling stuck or wants to simplify
I also got gains with this routine. I'd do Deadlifts and squats as well. Not on the same day.
I did this at the start of covid. Bought a pullup frame, a dipping belt and some concrete weights and would get to 30 reps taking as many sets as necessary. My gains weren't insane but I looked pretty good for not going to the gym for months on end.
Because they filter fatties and other weaklings
Any advice on doing dips? They're the only exercise I never managed to include in my program because of discomfort. All other shoulder exercises are fine, but dips are the fricking worst, assuming you want to go deep which you do.
Lose weight
Do alternatives (decline bench etc)
Don't go to low obviously, do not risk injury
It’s all about grip placement, positioning and then angle of entry into the dip. Play with this. Play with different widths if possible. There are ways where you overload your shoulder cuffs and ways to where you can feel no pain at all with just minor adjustments to your positioning. No need for memes or gimmicks
Dips destroy your shoulders.
because the israeli fitness industry DOESN'T want you to know how simple it is. They want you to eat powder, use the machines, do complicated routines, and get fat as frick.