>improved insulin sensitivity
>increased autophagy
>reduced inflammation
>improved brain function
>increased growth hormone secretion
>enhanced cardiovascular health
And most importantly, you stay thin with no stupid restrictions or calorie calculations. Plus, you either save a lot of money or spend money on the highest quality food instead of eating garbage three times a day.
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Serious question, DYEL?
>DYEL
I was until I got nasty shoulder trauma, I do cardio only nowadays.
maybe your shoulder would heal or wouldnt have gotten fricked up in the first place if you didnt starve yourself
ever think about that?
What's a matter sneed you run out of foreskins to nibble on and got bored?
It was three years ago, I wasn't fasting back then. My shoulder is fine; I just don't see any reason to get back to the gym, pushups in the morning and cardio outside is sufficient.
Tell us your answer again when you have back, knee and hip pain at only 50 years old.
>knee and hip pain at only 50 years old.
You don't get knee and hip pain from walking and cycling.
You do get knee and hip pain from having weak muscles that don't properly support your joints. Everybody lifts something sometimes.
I don't have weak muscles; my average cycling ride is 80km. It's always extremes for you guys; you either lift and strong or dyel and weak, nothing in between, lmao.
you're more likely to end up with shoulder and neck pain from doing cardio instead of ever lifting. unless you're a runner, then obviously you are fricking up your ankles and knees even faster than neglecting other muscle groups can do to their respective joints
i mean lifting obviously can frick up your neck and shoulders too. in fact the reason people fail to get past a certain strength is almost always due to a combination of inadequate form, posture (throughout the day) and overall balance in the kinds of exercises they do
the real limit to building strength is your ability to continually evolve your muscle memory and continually increase scapular mobility and thoracic extension and flexion rather than getting into a rut and developing muscular imbalances and impingement and tendinitis and shit. its easy to improve your strength and muscle memory and then just take advantage of it in your daily life and hit a wall and even end up injuring yourself due to continually doing the same exercises the same ways instead of continuing to build more strength and better muscle memory
I’m 50 this year and I have none of those. You’re soft c**t
Fasting isn't the same as starving oneself, now go get that burger and enjoy your early onset of Alzheimer's.
eating a burger doesnt cause alzheimers dumbass, however vegetable oil does, and same with most omega 3 supplements for basically the same reason
i just ate a salad with spinach cranberries and almonds with a dressing made of vinegar honey and olive oil and it was incredible
suck my wiener
>The lardshartican always has to tell everyone what GMO slop it just forced down its gullet
Every single time
>eating a burger doesnt cause alzheimers dumbass, however vegetable oil does, and same with most omega 3 supplements for basically the same reason
Omega-3 oils are anti-inflammatory, seed oils are pro-inflammatory, understand the difference.
Keep pretending you're oh so above it all while all the data proves you wrong just like a vaxxer.
im not against fasting for fatasses or twinks trying to lose or maintain their same weight
Riperino. Injuries sucks ass
>Serious question, DYEL?
>>take advice from a manlet
>Not even once
Don't listen to these fat c**ts. Fasting / Intermittent Fasting is extremely beneficial to your hormones and is also very rewarding personally (can have a massive fulfilling meal every night and still lose fat)
>take advice from a manlet
Not even once
Not bad tbh. Other fatties on /misc/ are seething.
serious question: do you use a mac
Lmao, yes, since 2009
Nikelab ACG cargo pants
literally going to have eggs, bacon and some cheese right now
>hes eating all the eggs
Where did you get those cargo pants?
WEAK BRO WEAK
>calls himself a "man"
>thighs skinnier than my biceps
I really love your shoes. Stay away from this place, unless you want to become loser and life failure like everyone here.
>Stay away from this place
Been here since 2014
>I really love your shoes
Actually unironically is a better body than 90% of the American population.
I must paint him..
Draw me pls
nice breasts
pretty aesthetic for a fat guy
How much do you make for posting these slides? Seriously just an average is all I want to know
cuz i go to the gym for 4 hours and work 8 hours and on top of that sleep for 6 hours so I need at least 6 hours of snacks homie
Shoo, shoo gains goblin
Fasting is literally a way to naturally roid if you do it right.
if by do it right you mean very rarely for extremely short periods of time, not even going past half a day
i eat within a 6 hour window every day
i maximize protein intake
i lift 3 times a week (about to start doing 4 times a week)
i don't eat on sundays
i only drink water and tea
Intermittent """fasting""" is not actually fasting and does frick all
Yes, it does. It causes your body to burn fat reserves for up to 16 hours a day. By simply doing intermittent fasting, and nothing else you can lose weight easily. You’re a fricking well poisoning idiot.
>It causes your body to burn fat reserves for up to 16 hours a day
What do you think glycogen is for you dumb homosexual. People lose weight on intermittent fasting because they decrease their caloric intake, but it does nothing for growth hormone levels, autophagy, apoptosis, immune regulation, or any of the other benefits you receive from long fasts. You get all your information from sensationalist trendy israelitetube meme "doctors", it's incredibly obvious.
There’s actual proof that intermittent fasting does account for all of these mechanisms. However, you just like to say things and believe them. There is no cure for stupidity. Kys
Fat Pfizer shill detected
>eating less calories does frick all
I smell like sweet roses and dessert again!
Haven't smelled like a sweet rose and fruit drink in a long time, my sugar is probably fricked and I am about to become DieAbetic, one leg in it for sure!
God damn food tasts so fricking good.
Not worth it, i don't want to lose muscle mass and be mineral deficient for days.
I _am_ fasting. 10.5 days done
Too much. You shouldn't be fasting for more than a week at a time. And remember to get your trace minerals, cause you piss them all out without carbs to bind water to your cells.
I disagree, 14 days is not that long, provided that minerals, electrolytes and vitamins are supplemented daily, which I do because I am not a moron. After 10 days I am in a steady state, in deep ketosis, not feeling hungry and I lose fat rapidly. What's not to love?
It's still a bit extreme. But if you're young and you take your supplements, you'll of course be fine. But I doubt you'll gain any health side effects after a week.
Depends on how much of a fat ass you are and how much exercise you do
Impressive. How much weight did you lose so far anon?
I started at 123 kg and weighed in at 114.9 kg this morning. I account about 3.5 kg for depleted glycogen, bound water and bowel content, which means I should be 4.5 kg of pure fat down so far. I'll definitely complete 14 days and already plan to extend to 21 days, after which I switch to keto for two weeks before I start eating carbs again. I reckon I should be just over 110 kg before I carb up.
Good luck anon. Most don't have that willpower
everybody fasts... a fast is just a period of time without eating. you need to specify the time.
>you stay thin with no stupid restrictions
this is your IQ on a 16 hour fast
Fasting is a israeli trick to kill you.
You won't feel hungry anymore after a few days, you will die.
the average fatty has enough stored energy to go for 3-6 months without eating. Fasting is a trick to improve health and lose weight rapidly so it's certainly not israeli.
Because i would end up way way too thin amd lose muscle. My 40km mtb trip yesterday is enough
>improved insulin sensitivity
Lmao fatass. lay off the soda israelite, quit eating things with hfcs and american "bread" and you too will be thin
you sleep alot however. i did three day fast an slept, and slept.
i did drink a lot of water and tea though.
I save my "fasting" for when I go on a meth binge.
Black person I’ve been doing OMAD for 5 fricking years. Your shit has nothing on me.
>manlet just discovered the wonders of fasting for less than a month
>manlet just discovered the wonders of fasting for less than a month
I'm doing OMAD since 2020.
>hur poopoopeepee me guzzle slop, that harder than no guzzle slop becoz...becoz... it just is
Lardsharticans have got no idea how obvious their lead poisoned moronation is to actual humans
I'm trying this too. When do you have your one meal? I have to have it at night or else I'm starving at like 8 pm. I can't to get on bed too early either. Just isn't me.
I think 20/4 is better than OMAD. I wake up at 7AM, then I eat from 3 - 7 PM. Works great.
I have it around 7-8pm depending when my wife gets home because I like to eat dinner with her.
It gets easier bro. First week to one month is hell but you get used to it and it teaches you discipline. Just remember you don’t have to do it 100% 24/7. During my 5 years I won’t act like I never went to have brunch with friends or ate with family at parties or on holidays. Just stick to it 60-80% of the time and you’ll see result as long as you don’t eat like total garbage. But for when you first start I wouldn’t recommend not sticking to it 24/7 for the first few months or so otherwise it’ll be extremely easy for yourself to not get the diet engrained into habbit
Sure okay fatty go tell that to my 40+lbs lost while never counting calories 1 time because eating only one time a day made it impossibly hard to eat more than maintenance.
Who cares if “it’s muh not actually fasting”
>Sure okay fatty
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page doens't exist
>study done on patients with type 2 diabetes
how are they producing an insulin response with fricking diabetes? further, that study is measuring insulin resistance, not release. please try again
I don't mean this as an insult, but what is your stack?
Dang baby!!
It was just a random example that I found in less than five seconds, since you wanted to see one of those studies. Seethe and cope more homosexual. Artificial sweeteners break your fast because they cause your body to have an insulin response and use glucose for energy instead of fat. You’ve been proven wrong frick you.
You got mogged hard you fat dysgenic frick. Just leave the thread.
How are you going to use glucose for energy if you've already been through all your glycogen stores? Gluconeogensis is a thing, yes, but artificial sweetener consumption doesn't make your body suddenly produce shitloads of it.
It depends on the fast. Additionally, it will cause hunger cravings. We’re not talking about professional weightlifters, we’re talking about fat people trying to lose weight.
6’3”
Gaps are more or less bulk/or just didn’t care about recording in this data collection app all the time.
Btw meant to add that after the first week to couple months mark you’ll physically notice that it feels like your stomach shrank and that it’s much harder/impossible to eat as much as you did before.
This is why (at least for me) that it becomes easier after then. If I’d wager money I’d place a bet that scientifically this does happen but I’m not a doctor
You eat less and your stomach shrinks after a period of time and because of such it reduces your appetite.
am on keto Black person, sometimes i forget to eat as i'm never hungry
I tried fasting but somehow it didn't help all that much, I felt like complete shit for the first 3 days then I felt basically nothing for the rest, no improvement, no significant weight loss. Then I gained 1-3 kg of weight after each fast when I went back to eating.
I now tried to cut out all sugar, most carbs except for some whole grains rarely and all vegetable/seed oils, and the results are miraculous. I feel amazing, go to the gym every day full of energy and enthusiasm, not like i'm about to attend a torture session, only really feel the need to eat 1-2 meals per day and my weight is plummeting while I feel satiated probably 90% of my awake time. The fricking ketomeme gays were right all along.
It gets better when you go Carnivore. Intermittent Fasting becomes inadvertent fasting with Carnivore, because you generally only eat 1-2 meals a day within an 8 hour window, by only letting hunger be your guide.
This is better advice. Fasting is good if you're fat tho.
Yup. Sneed oils and refined sugars/hfcs are poison basically. Fun fact, canola oil, one of the most commonly used food oils, wasn’t actually really a food oil until like the 70s when one of our universities GMO’d it enough to remove the unpleasant flavour and toxic acid compounds lol. Before that it was rapeseed oil and used for lamps and lube. They’re feeding us lamp oil.
Eat food only two times a day at fixed time.
Also, sleep and wake early, 8PM and 4AM
works better than anything
Pooing in loo is also good. You should try it.
Ramadan are from next month's.
Inshallah would fast 30 days from sunrise to sunset. And observe prayers.
Allahmdulilah for Islam.
>alamalmallalalalalamaldalalalal
what a language kek
I've lost 24lbs in 6 weeks on snake juice, black coffee and white monster. 1 low carb meal every 48 hrs. Fasting works.
Fasting do that? I might just start doing that. What's the best advise?
start with small fasts of 2 days max. more than that you will have trouble especially if you are doing very physically demanding jobs
You know what's better than fasting?
EXERCISING
True story.
I stopped eating on Mondays, 36 hour weekly fast.
I'm 39 and have regained 10 years of vigor since late December.
Tuesday morning after coffee my brain feels like a fricking super computer.
I don’t need to fast because I’m not a fat c**t
anyone know a fiber to mix with a protein shake?
Psyllium husk, you can even bake stuff on it, all it contains is fiber, it also expands in contact with water and keeps you full.
Steak. Eggs, amphetamines. Who cares. There’s no inherent value and no demonstrable virtue in being a monk
Jesus Christ, it’s like this thread was an orgy between /lgbt/, IST, IST and they shat out a slightly more moronic basard child that even /k/ couldn’t out homosexual
Just eat what you anons. Probabilities dictat that no matter how much of a useless fat spastic you are, there is likely someone fatter, more useless and more of a spastic than your fat uselsss spastic ass. Get used to it
problem is i'me having constipation issues.
standard dinner: chicken or steak with veggies. maybe some rice. Once in a while go out to shake shack or local chinnese take out: beef and broc with pork fried rice.
ima try Psyllium husk
make sure to have plenty of water with it. Too much fiber powder to water and you'll risk blockage
thats how you become an npc
body feels x
you do y to relieve x
but what if you.. dont?
have you ever gone to a restaraunt and ordered the last thing you would ever want on the menu? try it.
instead of taking the fastest route from point a to b, the same road youve taken a billion times previously, go up up down down left right b a select start to get there. i dont know why it works, but it does. when you start to live this way youll be having syncronicities on the regular. i dont know why, i cant explain it, but it works.
Nah man. It doesn’t work like that.
I cooked professionally for almost two decades and my conclusion is that you should indeed eat what you want.
That said, if all you crave is fat laden rubbish, you will be a fat laden rubbish lardass.
Personally, I need lots of protein and carbs. So,I eat lots of them.
I sight shop, if that makes any sense. I walk into the supermarket and grab what I think I want to eat.yesterday i bought a reasonable sized rump (around $9/kg because it was in special) and ended up with over 20 reasonable sized rump steaks at just about 3.50 per serve
I then blew another 30 bucks on veggies because they looked all right amd ate maybe 10 bucks of them. Because I thought I needed to
I what like a fricking champion this morning amd that, my friend, is the Hal,mark of a good meal. When you try tomtake a dump and it just falls out
That’s success right there.
I pulled it off with this equipment
>it just falls out
Thats because of the size of your sphincter not cos of diet.
you *should* eat what you want, but what if you dont? theres an underlying mechanism we have not yet conceptualized that occurs. forcing yourself to bust out of your routine. somehing happens, biologically, spiritually. its too complicated to even properly reiterate. i dont know if its got to do with the dual natures theory of the two hemispheres of your brain competing or your body and mind competing. but it produces tangible effects, as i said, syncronicities in the world itself, as if the creators are rewarding you for engaging in this philosophy/engaging the mindset. its one of the very few ways to perceive divine machinations, or if you prefer, interventions.
because i dont need to starve myself to speak to the gods
Yeah I can just take a pill for all that, fatass. Just tell the truth and say that you're fat and it's finally kicking in that you're an embarrassment to all of us
I'd like to. What's the app? How long should I do?
Because i have more issues gaining weight than losing it.
Did that during 24 days (water fastin non stop) was interesting but was totally drained.
From 94kg to 73kg and could switch to vegan easily
"Observe fast one day and leave off the next two days." I said, "O Messenger of Allah! I have strength to do more than that." Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Observe fast every other day, and that is the fasting of Dawud (ﷺ) and that is the most moderate fasting".
According to another narration: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "That is the best fasting." I said, "But I am capable of doing more than this".
- Sunnah
oh frick im reverting to Islam
I am, you stupid dickhead. Day 4.
The longest I've made it is 1 week.
I'm super obese. Like 300 at 5'5''. I have the snake juice packets. How do I do this without fricking up my kidneys? I did a prolonged fast once, but by the time I got 8 days in I was having bad acidosis. Should I just do OMAD? What and how much am I supposed to eat? I also started walking on the treadmill for an hour with the inclination intervals. Pls help my body is a prison.
I was just gonna do black coffee in the morning, ear some carrots at work, and then two chicken breasts with veggies while slamming water all day. Should I just do that to avoid killing my organs with fasting
carbs from veggies, while seemingly healthy overall, will frick with your ketosis. Consider combining (intermittent) fasting with (low calorie) keto. Eliminate carbs completely and enjoy more satiating meals consisting of proteins and fats. You can still eat reasonable amounts of keto friendly veg like spinach or cauliflower, but don't overdo it (up to 200 g per meal).
Do supplement vitamins every day and add electrolytes (snake juice) on days of fasting. You could do OMAD, or eat (in keto fashion) every other day. With a bit of low effort exercise (walking outdoors/treadmill) you will see and feel the results very soon.
Okay thanks. I want to do OMAD because I think I can stick to that. You say no more than 200g of veggies? Is 2-3 chicken breasts or steak and eggs good? How much am I supposed to eat?
not just any veggies, keto-friendly veggies. You want to limit your carbs intake to remain in ketosis. 200 g of cauliflower/spinach/asparagus/tomato is ok; 200 g of anything starchy is not.
Chicken breasts are too lean, you'll need to add more fats into the diet. Marbled steak is fine, eggs as well, you can use mayo, butter, bacon, quality sausage (with no added starch), olives, fish, nuts (macadams, peanuts, ...) etc, as long as you maintain a caloric deficit. Protein and fat is filling so you should keep the portions modest. For OMAD you may want to aim at 1200-1500 Cal for the daily meal, depending on your needs.
eat unlimited meat and eggs. don't count or measure anything, just eat until you no longer want any more. skip the veggies entirely.
If you get acidosis don't cut out all carbs.
Start with OMAD.
YES1
One
Meal
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>Like 300 at 5'5''.
Are you a woman?
You shouldn't fast if you are a woman.
all obese people should fast regardless of gender.
A woman will regain it double after fasting ends. It will effect her fertility.
There are other ways female fatties can lose weight.
i observe women's fertility increasing after intermittent fasting. there are many fertility doctors using carnivore and fasting to get their clients pregnant.
>You shouldn't fast if you are a woman.
why?
I do OMAD and a 48 hour fast once per week. I avoid alcohol and fast food (except for the occasional slice of pizza). When fasting I only drink black coffee and water. No, I don't lift. The only gym we have around here is a planet fatness. So, as of now my only exercise jiu-jitsu and body weight stuff. I am 6 ft and late 40s.
because my BMI is 19
I took my first ozempic shot yesterday, in a weird way I'm.
Fasting require a high level of self-discipline, or a radical change of Will.
> Ozempic
Causes thyroid cancer, suicidal thoughts, depression, and makes you more susceptible to diabetes. Not to mention most gain the weight back immediately after they stop taking it with a massive uncontrollable increase appetite.
Don't need to seeth just because I'm not doing le natural way, anon.
I'm feeling very happy, I've being overweight for most of my life but in a control way, I always had just a belly but it was always only that.
I only grew a few kilos now that I'm hitting the second age of human life.
Also, it's a medication for diabetes, how it could cause it? KEK
That's one problem with fasting, there's so many way to do it.
The first time I seen here on /misc/ years ago, it was all about stop eating for days, even weeks.
Now people talk about doing one day fasting and one day off?
And then there's your suggesting of eating only once a day at the end of the day.
Which one is real?
> Also, it's a medication for diabetes, how it could cause it? KEK
Black person tier response. You’ll find out.
> Now people talk about doing one day fasting and one day off? And then there's your suggesting of eating only once a day at the end of the day. Which one is real?
Both are real. You aren’t a mutted up Black person are you? People are talking about intermittent fasting. For example you only eat for four hours a day. During that window, you can eat whatever you want. This stabilizes your metabolism and lets your body focus on other mechanisms outside of digesting food constantly throughout the day because you eat all the time. Most obese people like yourself are metabolically broken because they eat constantly throughout the day. This is what causes diabetes and obesity. Eating constantly throughout the day. Even if you restrict your calories, you’re breaking your metabolism.
Fasting only requires will power if you’re a dumb idiot who sets their fast window early in the day. You’re always hungry after you start eating. Set your fast window towards the end of your day if you’re a fatty.
>Why aren't you fasting?
I read this 'Facesitting'
thabk you
I do, I fast between dinner and awakening, then I break my fast with breakfast.
did year on 23:1 lost 40kg
I’ve found there’s not much difference between OMAD, (23/1) and (20/4). I still drop weight extremely fast either way.
because i lift and need to eat nearly 200g of protein a day. i weight 240 and am 6'4. i cant fast.
Can someone tell me if drinking calorie free soda and drinks does break fasting? I read different opinions and "facts" online and It's hard to tell what is right. I don't drink a lot of soda, but it happens occasionally.
Yes artificial sweeteners break your fast
Why is that?
because you touch yourself at night.
During a fast, the goal is typically to abstain from consuming any calories or substances that could raise insulin levels and disrupt the fasting state. Studies suggest that artificial sweeteners, despite being low in calories, may still trigger an insulin response in the body. This insulin response could potentially break the fast by signaling the body to use glucose for energy instead of relying on stored fat. Sorry no Diet Coke for you fatty.
>Sorry no Diet Coke for you fatty.
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>Studies suggest that artificial sweeteners, despite being low in calories, may still trigger an insulin response in the body
I'd like to see even one such study
Tested yourself homosexual. Fast for 20 hours, then drink a diet soda, then test blood sugar. You can see it for yourself you dumb, fricking moron.
What kind of fat frick just has glucose testing equipment on hand?
Seethe and cope more. I’ve given you all the tools you need that you reject it. There’s no cure for stupidity, Kys
Unlike you I've never needed to have glucose test strips readily available you fat piece of subhuman shit.
That’s quite the assumption you’ve made. Unlike you, I have a scientific mind, and like to test things myself. What I found out is some artificial sweeteners are worse than others. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that because you’re a fricking bump on log dull a piece of shit that resorts to using ad hominem attacks when proven wrong. Kys
>I buy shit for diabetics ironically because I'm le smart
>kys kys kys
Bro I'll just kill you and sell your body to some Eskimos and they'll feed for the whole winter. Fricking soijak moron.
Teenage boy resorting to physical violence. Keep it coming homosexual.
>HOW DARE YOU
Cry harder, you fat pussy.
> gets shot in the head trying to pull someone out of a car
That’s your path homosexual; keep it coming
>guntroony can't even imagine anonymous online confrontation without needing a weapon
You'd be shaking too hard to even hit something point blank lmao. This fat pussy Black person is having a panic attack just thinking about a "teenager" approaching him lmaoooooo.
> Black person iq
They're just words on a screen lil fella, they can't hurt you.
> violent mutt with a Black person iq
> violent mutt with a Black person iq
He looks so bald without the antenna
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/kVJM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/
no, they do not. there have been multiple long term fasting case studies that consumed diet sodas and still got all the benefits. with that being said, it's easier just to cut it out long term. you wont miss it.
Yes they do break your fast 100%. Fast for 20 hours then drink artificial sweeteners then test your blood sugar, it will spike suggesting an insulin response. You’re coping based on old information from corporations trying to sell diet products.
no, i'm not coping. anecdotally i have seen countless examples of people using artificial sweeteners while fasting and still getting all the same benefits, the most obvious being loose skin shrinking through autophagy, which wouldn't happen if it truly was breaking your fast.
You can test it yourself. They 100% break your fast, cope more. Drinking an occasional diet soda won’t diminish fasting benefits is some weird red herring to justify consumption. If it spikes your insulin and switched your body from using glucose for energy instead of fat, it breaks the fast Black person, cope more. You sound like a weight watchers sales person.
i don't recommend people to use any sweeteners and i personally don't use them myself, gay. you are doing more harm than good by being this autistic about diet.
> i don't recommend people to use any sweeteners and i personally don't use them myself, gay. you are doing more harm than good by being this autistic about diet.
That’s the weirdest way I’ve ever heard anyone say they were completely wrong about the topic. Seethe more homosexual. If something causes an insulin response and changes your bodies energy mechanisms from using fat to glucose. It breaks your fast, moron.
the only sweetener you should consume is honey
honey isn't something humans had regular access to. eating it more than occasionally is not optimal.
Black person, you can even eat a small amount of carbs on a fast and not break it. this is confirmed by experts like jason fung. stop being autistic.
> Says the diet product salesman
Seethe and cope more. You can try to redefine the scope however you want but you’re wrong. Artificial sweeteners break a fast. Frick you.
i have personally worked with people who consumed natural and artificial sweeteners while fasting and still got all of the benefits of autophagy.
> Moves the flagpole; Scope changing
We’re talking about the main mechanism of a fast to lose weight, which is insulin response.
experts on fasting like jason fung say otherwise. he has tens of thousands of hours of experience using fasting in clinics. he even goes as far to say that a small amount of carbs or calories on a fast will not affect weight loss.
Says otherwise about what? You’ve changed the scope so many times I have no idea what we’re even talking about.
scatterbrained much? i haven't change the scope of the discussion at all. your claim that sweeteners always break a fast is simply not true, the same logic would apply to a small amount of carbs breaking a fast, which is also not true.
I was attempting to have an honest conversation. I see that’s not possible with you.
why are you getting butthurt now? you have been aggressive the entire discussion, disregarding what i'm saying because of your autistic obsession with insulin.
Here’s the thing. Obviously small amounts of carbs, sugars, or sweeteners only momentarily break a fast due to exhausted, glycogen stores. Under the assumption that you’re not constantly pounding diet, sodas. I think the point was some fatties in the thread think it’s ok to consume artificial sweeteners like water during a fast and it’s ok.
Even so, say they do pound artificial sweeteners. If they’re eating under maintenance levels through “fasting” they’re still going to lose weight. Just because their insulin spikes doesn’t magically produce calories out of thin air like a human fusion reactor
That’s not true if they’re constant, drinking artificial sweeteners, they’re constantly switching off the fat burning mechanisms of intermittent fasting. Causing a yo-yo effect to their metabolism
So if someone ate just a few celery sticks for dinner and pounded artificial sweeteners every day for a month they would lose no weight over the course because the insulin keeps spiking even though they’re really had close to 0 calories to burn in their body the entire time?
If so, this is definitely an interesting subject, haven’t read much about insulin responses and such
he will say it's impossible, but i have seen otherwise, along with fasting experts like jason fung.
Yes, I would say it’s an impossible counter example but worth exploring if brought in good faith
I mean my example was pretty extreme but I have also seen opposite from my own experimentation while using artificial sweetener drinks like Fresca and fasting.
This would make sense and in no way would this ever be a good thing to do. Which is why I always laugh when people try these insane 3day+ fast “challenges” for themselves but always will just rebound harder than before because their body is coping. Going slow and steady will always be the best.
As for the artificial sweetener part, I’m not sure if I’m 100% on board as I’ve tried it myself, granted I don’t pound them and only drink 1 max a day. I can see where it would spike the insulin but I can’t see where it would yo-yo forever on a less extreme example of fasting that I gave above such as just doing regular OMAD. It just seems physically impossible as long as one is under deficit for extended periods of time. But I could see it being the case for a day or two.
Maybe do a strict low-carb OMAD fast for a week then on day 8 drink artificial sweeteners every hour during the fast period and test your blood sugar and keto-sis levels.
Will have to try this… I don’t do keto regardless but seems like it’s worth it.
I think you’ll find day 8 would inhibit ketosis (weight loss) and cause metabolic dysfunction. It’ll probably make you extremely hungry and lethargic.
The points I’ve been trying to stress likely won’t affect someone who is a peak athlete on an intermittent fasting schedule. It’s more so for morbidly obese people consuming artificial sweeteners throughout the day on a fast then complaining intermittent fasting doesn’t work for them.
> morbidly obese people consuming artificial sweeteners throughout the day on a fast then complaining intermittent fasting doesn’t work for them.
Or exclaiming, that it’s impossible to do an intermittent fast because of hunger cravings, kek
I get ya, still want to try regardless now just for fun. I’ve already bottomed out on how low I want to go weight wise it’ll be a nice experiment for next cut.
I hate that shit so much and it’s the biggest cope. So many people cope that they NEED three meals a day cause tv lady said so to cover up the fact they have no self control to get their bodies into the habit of changing it to only once a day.
Would be interesting to see your results. Cheers, good luck.
Thank you anon
Exactly bro, I’m so fricking lazy so why would I want to eat more it’s beyond me.
During my 5 years of OMAD I drink the first 4 and my results were okay but not fantastic. I cut out alcohol completely last year and weight just vanished over the course of like 2 months. The israelite juice/poison is real. Now that I’m trying to bulk it’s getting really hard to get in the caps doing OMAD but I’m so used to it at this point I don’t want to stop, especially for having to start it back up when I eventually have to cut again.
Intermittent fasting only hard for about 48 hours. Then it becomes extremely easy. You consume less food, have less food prep and clean up etc. Easier in my opinion than any other method to drop weight and keep it off.
If someone were to primarily consume celery sticks (low-calorie and high-fiber) and artificial sweeteners, their overall calorie intake would likely be very low, leading to a caloric deficit. In theory, this could contribute to weight loss over time but sustained low-calorie intake combined with frequent artificial sweetener consumption may have negative effects on metabolism, hunger hormones, and overall health. It really depends on the person. This might not affect someone who is in peak health for their age however, someone who is obese might further deteriorate their metabolic state with this type of strategy. I imagine the hunger cravings would be unbelievable resulting in a catastrophic failure of the fast.
at least you are saying it depends on the person now, that's progress.
I’ve always said that. You’ve been framing the argument from a professional weightlifting point of view, and I’ve been advancing it from the morbidly obese perspective from the start of the conversation.
from the start i have said i have plenty of anecdotal experience with people using artificial sweeteners while fasting and still getting all the benefits, like fat loss and autophagy.
Morbidly obese people that are insulin resistant? Or athletic people trying to cut fat?
what about teas? like green or chamomile?
How does it work? Do you not eat anything the whole day you fast? Or do you just skip breakfast but eat your other meals?
Every adult should be intermittent fasting, make it a lifestyle.
calories out > calories in
Jews fear the faster. No medical shekels, no consuming.
this is why intermittent fasting and fasting aint broadcasted.
Been only eating dinner for about a month now. Down 7 pounds. Focus is way up. Don't get hungry until about 4pm. I do, however, get real shitty with everyone around me around 5.
Glowies are pushing this to see how people respond. After a while on here, they'll put it on national media and start to tell people it's good.
This is to get people used to starving.
I respect your paranoia, but that's not accurate. Nonetheless, it's true that in the event of a collapse, being accustomed to hunger could be advantageous.
I fast once a week from Thursday evening until Saturday morning/evening depending if I have anything to do. Usually OMAD weekdays and eat a bit more on weekend, weight stays within the same 10 pound range for the past year with this diet and lifestyle. I try to do a 72 hour fast once a month and delay eating until Sunday but I usually get bad headaches Sunday morning and need to eat, probably could make it if I added salts or something to my water. Mainly do it because of a high risk of skin cancer due to being a redhead and I've read that autophagy is one of the best ways to deal with cancer so hopefully doing these fast prevent cancer entirely. Has so far at least in my 30 years on this hellscape.
>Why aren't you fasting?
Cuz I'm running Black person. Eventually I'm gonna run right off the edge of the world.
Away from Black folk like you, from batshit crazy women and from my countrymen who can barely even read anymore these days.
>Why aren't you fasting?
Because all the things you listed are 100% false.
>100% false
>~~*breakfast*~~ is the most important meal of the day
I keep trying, but it really messes with my focus and reasoning skills. Between work and school, I don't really have a series of days I can just not think.
because I get really really tired and then get even less than nothing done.
i usually do, i did keto and omad for a couple years and dropped almost 200lbs. now im used to it and i eat my main meal around 5-6 some day i graze around 9 but usually not a lot. Decouple yourself from your need for food, you really dont need it as often as we eat especially if youre a fat.