Scared of a little needle?
Noone will know, you can still claim natty and it is fairly cheap.
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Why aren't you on TRT?
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because i don't want to die at 30 from heart failure
That's total bs, literally impossible to happen from T. The major risk are abscesses from the multiple injections you take.
>t. devil on your shoulder
Based. Nattycucks will lift for 5 years to achieve a 1 year TRT body.
These homies don't value time.
People who are blasting chemicals don't value time at all. By taking it away from the end of your life and using it up now to be temporarily swole because you're 21 and just started lifting, that's called squandering. You're treating time like Black folk treat EBT cards.
rather enjoy my time to the fullest ages 30-50 than live extra 10 years at 80
Get a look at fricking father time over here, I know. I'd rather this than an extra 10 years in a nursing home lol
If you do too much. Moderation in everything. For me, my test was 290 and I'm only 37. I had a hard time even gaining weight. Joints were getting fricked, was losing hair. On T I am filling right out, getting much better sleep, can actually run without hurting, no longer have ED, and no longer losing hair. You just have to be smart about it and unfortunately many doctors don't even know enough about it despite it being researched for like 100 years. Then people like some guys in this thread come out and act like reasonable amounts of test are going to kill you.
eh most people are clueless and just repeat whatever they heard about steroids
omg you're taking 200mg test a week to fix your broken natural hormone production? YOU WILL FRICKING DIE AT 25 OF HEART ATTACK LIKE ALL THE BODYBUILDERS THAT TAKE GRAMS OF TEST+DECA+TREN+DBOL+EQ+MAST+WINSTROL+GH+INSULIN
it's just fricking pointless
also personally I've found that if you want to fix your hormones with exogenous hormones, the best you can do is just consult with any of pro bodybuilder coaches, these people have more experience dialing hormones according to bloodwork for people than doctors that just prescribe test
Yeah I'm pretty new to it but I've already heard several horror stories of doctors giving super spread out, low dosage shots at the same time as having the guy take AI immediately and just making everything worse. What pissed me off is my doctor refused to prescribe despite me eating well and lifting 3x a week with all the bad symptoms for a year and having no effect on the levels.
Yep this is really cringe. I feel like browsing Reddit, Facebook, Instagram or any other normie social media or even talking to normies irl.
I expected more from IST but I guess this place is just infested with dumb normies that think you'll die of a heart attack if you eat 10 eggs a day or pin 500lmaog test.
>b-but your organs
They're hypocrite because they've been abusing drugs and alcohol every weekend, which is probably more harmful for their longevity than a fricking TRT dose.
Even when IST wasn’t a piece of shit board they were still pretty moronic about anabolics. So at least that’s remain consistent as this place has completely gone to shit.
my only reason is because it shuts down natural production, so it would be a lifetime commitment. because health wise, it improves a lot of stuff. I'd definitely do hcg in a heartbeat though, if i knew how to get it
Frick if I care, I took the pin pill
Your hormones bounce right back in 99% of cases. Are you also afraid to cross the street at a green light on the minute chance you will get plastered by an insane driver going 200 mph?
yeah, i always wait 2/3 seconds just to make sure.
it makes you produce more test, if you have functional testes. it doesn't shut you down. you'll never get above 1k, but you'll still have high t without shutting down. I'm 27, so i don't want to shut myself down just yet. the only reason is literary just because it doesn't shut me down. I already have elayed ejaculation, i don't want to frick my sexual function up
Sounds good, mine's not that low but at 32 it's starting to go down, might be a good idea to give it a go.
to be completely honest I'm close to do a low dose a couple times per year. low risk, better health, gives you superhuman levels, better than peak puberty, and 10 year natty gains in a couple of months. i used to have bad acne though, it'll probably come back. but hcg to start off is good enough.
a low dose of T*
Couple times a year ? So basically a cycle ? Would hcg be a viable long therm solution to T levels dropping or is TrT the only long term option ? I'm in UK so a doctor won't do shit unless the T is in the gutter.
Test is cheaper and more effective. Speaking candidly HCG is more something you supplement your cycle/PCT with to help boost/retain testosterone production see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2439513/
You would only go to a doctor for TRT if you were planning to get ripped off in my opinion.
yes, hcg os viable long term, but you'll have a high T level, but within the normal ranges. you will not feel the same as in trt.
yes, I'll do a couple 6/8 week cycles. but low dose, just for the nootropic and health benefits. I'm not looking to get huge, that's very gay.
probably, but still, starting with hcg is a great starting point. but i know it's dumb since I'll eventually do trt anyways kek
>starting with hcg is a great starting point
The sheer amount of research I did led me to disagree with this before starting. good luck though. Can’t imagine it’ll do anything bad, just inefficient and expensive, but again, good luck.
I'm not looking to leave humanity behind, last time I did a blood work it was around 400, which doesn't make you miserable but it's not fun either. So if running hcg would get me to 600 or 700 level it would be a acceptable
What dosage would a long term hcg usage look like ? I can get 2x 5000iu ampules for about 45-50 usd
Dully noted, what AI would you recommend ?
Sorry for the spoon-feeding on your parts but what is an AI?
Aromatase inhibitor, blocks an enzyme that breaks down testosterone
This
. It’s to stop the possible gynocomastiea that comes increased estrogen production.
>AI would you recommend?
Arimidex but Aromasin does the same thing. It’s something you prolly don’t need to take at such a low level of Test but if do need too you’ll have to have it.
Here’s an even lower dose test cycle you can consider if you want and then incrementally bump it as you cycle kind of thing. Obviously add Anavar to it as well.
1. 3000mg total.
3 weeks 250mg/wk - 750mg tot.
3 weeks 300mg/wk - 900mg tot.
4 weeks 350mg/wk - 1400mg tot.
finished - 3 weeks wait for hormone to clear.
Given my history of too high E I'd say I will definitely need it.
Also I guess lower dose T with higher frequency is better than once a week higher dose ?
What you’re most likely to have is Testosterone Enanthate which stays in the bloodstream for 3 1/2 days. So you’ll likely be doing 2 injections of 125mg a week if you were running 250mg a week, 150x2 for 300mg etc.
Much appreciated, I'll get that AI as well, had a history of high E when I was younger so I think I;ll need it
It’s likely to be the most expensive thing and it’s really a fail safe for if you start to get gyno. Once you notice it you can start to incorporate 0.25mg-0.5mg every second day and it should go down. It’s the one you hope not to need but will 100% want to have on hand just in case. The reason you incorporate it at small doses as well is because it’s likely to be effective and the one thing you don’t want to do is crash your Estradiol (E2). I’ve never done that (crashed it) but been told more than enough times that is something you really want to avoid. The dose will be different for Aromasin though so if you end up with that instead just look it up. Either way don’t plan to incorporate it unless you need it kind of thing.
I once had to have gyno surgically removed from one side because it gotten quite bad. At this point I'm pretty sure the one that wasn't removed will poke it's head up if I start doing test.
Ah ok, well then you’ll definitely want to have an AI on hand. Just don’t start to take it till it’s necessary, you’ll know it’s necessary if your nipples get puffy/sore and it starts to feel like the beginning of gyno.
Ok, I'll definitely will keep an eye on any changes, as well as E levels. Blood tests here aren't that expensive privately so I';ll do these as well.
No worries and that’s good cause bloods basically tell you what’s happening so are super important cause you’re essentially just experimenting and finding what works best for you. Having an AI on hand and blood work prepares you best for everything. It means you can be confident as you track your progress and see how you react to everything etc. just when you do mid-cycle bloods - so 5 weeks - don’t go the day after you pin as it’s likely to say your T is through the roof compared to the next two days.
Much appreciated, that was very informative.
Again, no worries. If you’re looking for info it’s definitely out there I’m just not a fan of places like the subr*didn’t for this as they advocate trying to take 1000mg Test near straight away. Which is a pretty insane starting point. So anything you find that starts with that you should prolly ignore. Only other thing to add is for PCT (Post-Cycle Therapy) I don’t think it’s necessary at those doses but prolly a good idea to have either Clomid or Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) on hand. They both help to get you back to level essentially/help retain muscle growth etc. Tamoxifen is also used to treat gyno it’s just not as effective as AI’s. I’m sure I read why but I can’t remember exactly.
That sounds like a serious cycle than a trt
Yeah but even cycles running 200-250mg on up to 500mg are cycles you should be starting with to give yourself the best chance to take care of and monitor your health and learn what you’re doing/what’s going on along the way. TRT is usually more a constant supplement of your Testosterone - like a doctor is likely to give you 150mg a week indefinitely and at that point you’re prolly better off cycling 200-250mg up to 350-400-500mg over 10 weeks then doing PCT for 3-4 weeks kind of thing.
I'm paranoid about that shit too so I keep some Raloxifene on hand for gyno reversal. I've been on TRT for years and have done cycles of 500mg weekly test/20mg daily Anavar and 500mg test/25mg Dianabol and I haven't had any problems. Those are beginner tier cycles anyway so I wouldn't expect a lot of side effects. I've known guys who wouldn't even use AI for cycles like that but it varies from person to person.
Hi, different anon here, carefully followed your back and forth with
and am wondering what advice you would me.
I basically played sportsball and broke my leg in a game. Got fat afterwards, then 3 years of home office did the rest. I became obese and depressed. Now I'm on a (so far) very successful weight loss journey. My goal is to hit something like 18% body fat and then do my first cycle of gear.
I'm 31y old, 6'3" and live in the EU.
The advice I’ve given out itt is the basic advice I’d give to anyone when starting to cycle anabolic steroids. So it’d be -
Keep going till the weight is under control but once you get close-ish to that incorporate more strength training so you’re working from a better base and to run that first cycle of Test+Var. That’s about as safe as it gets. So if you ran this - 1. 3000mg total.
3 weeks 250mg/wk - 750mg tot.
3 weeks 300mg/wk - 900mg tot.
4 weeks 350mg/wk - 1400mg tot.
finished - 3 weeks wait for hormone to clear.
With 20mg of Anavar daily for 2 weeks
30mg of Anavar daily for 2 weeks
35mg of Anavar daily for 2 weeks
40 mg of Anavar daily for 2 weeks
20mg Anavar daily for 2 weeks
Have an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) - Arimidex or Aromasin on hand for gyno symptoms and then have either Clomid or Nolvadex for Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT). Can’t imagine you’ll really need to PCT but best to have it to be safe. That’s about as safe as things get and that’s really what I’m trying to add to the thread. What I found is the safest way to take anabolics with likely the least side effects to effectiveness ratio based on what I’ve learnt I suppose. Hope that helps/makes sense and feel free to ask any questions.
thanks anon, so the anavar comes after or at the same time?
Same time if you go to Anavar and Testosterone in this link - https://insidebodybuilding.com/anavar/#Anavar_and_Test_Cycle
It should give you a pretty good idea pretty easily of a cycle. If you’re super worried about cholesterol you could just do Test but Anavar is basically as safe as Anabolics get and I think is great.
What about an Anavar only cycle? Wouldn't it be good for someone who just lost a ton of body fat?
I don't even want to look super buff, I just want to raise my T levels and speed up the transition from formerly obese to athletic.
Anavar is great and if I was president/king/prime minister of the world it would be an essential part of the high school curriculum for males. It’s easy to run and is great for flattening your stomach. Also means you don’t have to pin as it’s an oral so by all means. Then if you do want to see after what it’s like to take Test and Anavar together you can.
Not so much muscle building though. Like there will be a noticeable difference when you run Test+Var (obviously).
very low chances of getting real "pure" anavar online. it's the most faked pill ever. only go for pharma grade, or prepare yourself to gamble and having to test every batch you get.
This isn't the internet of 10 years ago and nobody buys horseshit from gymbros anymore. Suppliers regularly post 3rd party testing and give store credit to encourage buyers to post their own tests. You either so far out of the loop or you're just an idiot that's parroting a certain article talking about how Anavar was the last steroid that UGLs figured out how to supply.
My Var is tested and I prefer liquid. Surely if you’re finding good Test, Good Var is somewhere close to that. Basically this
Also good job with the weight loss, keep that shit up anon.
I unironically used to think exactly like this. Until I realised that Test is essentially the base for everything. It was just drilled in to me too many times article after article, forum after form. Just doing subcutaneous HCG injections when you’re planning to run Test anyways is 100% doing it backwards. Not saying it won’t work out for you but I’ll bet you all the cheese in one of those cheese-eating countries ….. Switzerland that after you eventually do both you’ll feel silly you didn’t run Test as a base first.
So do a TrT and offset the shutdown with hcg ? Is adding something like a clomiphene worth considering ?
So basically the above ?
>So do a TrT and offset the shutdown with hcg
At such low doses I don’t think HCG is worth it (factoring price in as well). I think you should run a cycle of Test+Var before throwing in anything else as well. See
That’s an ideal way to start that means you can do a 10wk cycle - then PCT for 4 weeks and see how you feel about it all. It’s just the kind of low-risk cycle everyone should be doing to start off with and will serve you best in the long run no matter what you decide afterwards.
Fair enough, how would that work for long term solution (I mean years not weeks). Is the shutdown and possible infertility inevitable ?
Infertility is not a very common side effect of taking Test. So basically when you take Test your body stops producing and thinking you’re producing natural Test. So basically - The male body naturally produces testosterone through a complex process of hormone interactions. To simplify, the brain constantly monitors the body’s level of testosterone and produces gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) when it detects that levels are low. In turn, the pituitary gland secretes follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH), signalling sperm and testosterone production in the testes.
When you take exogenous testosterone in the form of medication, this process is disrupted; if brain never detects a low level of testosterone, so it doesn’t produce more GnRH. Without GnRH, the body doesn’t produce its own testosterone—nor does it produce more sperm.
That’s a copy paste but in the majority of cases once you stop taking Test you’re body 6 weeks down the line starts reproducing it’s on Test and you come back to baseline levels by like 3-6 months if I remember correctly. However the amount of Test your body produces reduces year on year from your early-to-mid 30’s hence why TRT replacement is a thing.
own Test*
And you could always be extremely unlucky I guess and actually become infertile it’s fairly to highly unlikely though 2bhdesu.
Thanks, I guess I'll give the T&A cycle a go and see how that will work. Will do a blood work before I start, during and after to compare results.
Bloods - remember to request the following: Test total, free, shbg and e2
And to have an AI on hand + some Clomid or Nolva for PCT. Any other questions feel free to ask.
Anon, I’m 27 and started doing TRT about 6 weeks ago.
I can happily say I have morning wood again and my erections come quick. Also I BLAST cum like crazy.
My natural level was 440, and I’m currently on 200mg a week (100 one day, 100 another). Lifts also went up and health is overall good.
As far as hair goes, I think I’m starting to lose it, but my hair was already fricked even when I was natural (my grandfather is bald on my mom’s side), so idgaf.
I honestly believe you can take it and won’t have issues. I just wouldn’t recommend it to anyone 25 or under. Late 20s/early 30s is fine.
i'm 20 and just got tested at 383, i'm about to just blast 300mg real quick and cut and check again. if it doesnt come back then trt.
For the love of god anon, you’re fricking 20. Wait until your body is done developing (25). 26 would be the absolute minimum.
You’re seriously going to frick yourself up that young. If you’re doing it for women, I can give you better advice that TRT/Lifting pales in comparison to.
i just wanna look and feel good bro, i cant talk to women lmao
also i just feel like shit cutting and it rapes my hormones anyways
How is hcg better than test ? And since I can get my hands on both, wouldn't it make sense to stack both ?
I mean I did some reading on my own and hcg makes you body produce more T instead of just replacing the natural production with external source, but apart from not ruining your fertility which is reversible (with hcg) after trt is over are there any other benefits?
You're going to have to do better than that.
that's kevin rose dipshit
fricker looks like Ryan gosling
I'm genuinely thinking about it, I'm 2 years into lifting been on 500 calorie deficit for 6 months, still look like a fricking fat lard. Meanwhile my friend from the Navy looks like a gigachad and eats steak and potatoes everyday and does TRT. How do I go about it smartly? Do I start by going to a men's clinic and getting blood work?
I started with a clinic, getting regular consultations bloodwork until I learned what the hell I was doing. It was expensive as hell with a 2-3 month supply of testosterone costing 250 dollars and my bloodwork costing me around 200 each. The clinics that actually care about your health and aren't just trying to greenlight your TRT will require multiple bloodworks before they let you on, and then more frequent tests to help dial in your dose. Then tests every 6 months after that.
I use different sources for my testosterone now. What used to cost me 250 dollars is now 30. Every once in a while I'll go to a Walgreens and get my blood taken by Labcorp. I think a basic estrogen test is only around 100 dollars.
Maybe eat the fricking red meat and potatoes, anon. Stop fricking cutting and gain muscle.
If in the US use ultalabs and find coupons to check your t3/t4, tsh, and test. Should be cheap. Start there and then take results to your doctor if anything is off but you will need to do your own research too. Your doctor could be gay and not prescribe T even if you have old man levels, or he could be an idiot about it and set you up for failure. I ended up having to go the UGL route but I've thought about paying one of these online clinics because I think they give you a scrip, then you can take that to your regular doctor. It all starts with checking bloods though. Theres more you can look at ofc but IMO thats a common place, dr can do a panel of all lipids and other random stuff cheaper through even shitty insurance afaik.
They're scared of intramuscular injections. It's why SARMs are such a big deal. Anyone can take a pill or do a little sub-q injection. Jabbing a needle into the muscle scares them.
u can do trt subq lmao
actually you can do a full cycle subq
I don't know why anyone would
way less comfortable
.3ml in the delt every day, rotate heads every day
Which is a rational fear, it can cause permanent nerve damage. Any rational person is wary of that.
>but it's rare, you should be risky like me and my gay friends with AIDS sharing needles and doing bareback anal orgies
Not everyone wants to take risks anon with SARMS, needles or otherwise.
>it can cause permanent nerve damage
lol ive been blasting and cruising for 10 years just fine
just do your homework and learn how to apply its really safe, unless youre a complete moron
It’s true, I was the trt he injected
>it can cause permanent nerve damage
genuinely curious, how?
you seem to have permanent Black person wienersucking syndrome you fricking demoralizing miserable disabled homosexual
Don't want to do my homework and read about it in order to safely take it
I did test for 6 months a couple years ago and I have no plans on doing it again.
Yes I was way more jacked than I've ever been before and felt better about myself in many ways.
I don't want to shut myself down because there could come a time when you can get test. Say society crumbles and you need to be responsive, strong, fast, energetic etc. in a post-civilization world, you're fricked.
I don't care all that much about looking super jacked and being stronger etc. Life is a marathon, not a sprint.
Ah, so this is the reason why most preppers look like shit
>I don't want to shut myself down because there could come a time when you can get test. Say society crumbles and you need to be responsive, strong, fast, energetic etc. in a post-civilization world, you're fricked.
simply because i value effort and my ideals
if you do it you are doing it simply for other people, you dont care about health, neither you care about respecting yourself, if you did you would do it to stay healthy and not be ashamed of how you look in the mirror
by doing trt you confess that you are doing it for status, which means that you are superficial, and also that you need to get a boost because you have no discipline to do it naturally. yes you could lie that you are natty but you cant lie to yourself, from outside you look good but you are rotten on the inside, your heart will stop working in your 30s and you are a simple minded freak who would go as far as doing drugs to get attention from other people. you have nothing to give but your looks.
>you are rotten on the inside, your heart will stop working in your 30s and you are a simple minded freak
No one will take you seriously when you spout incorrect garbage like this. You are jealous and scared, try to think about why that is then maybe you can move forwards. Identifiying the real cause is always helpful.
the more i think about it the more my conclusion stands, plus you prove my point by acting like an arrogant moron.
>you are rotten on the inside, your heart will stop working in your 30s and you are a simple minded freak
Yes sir, this doesn't sound arrogant and unbalanced at all, definitely someone with sound opinions, hehe.
At almost 47 I feel like I probably should be. But it's also a lifelong change/expense. Idk.
does a cycle rly frick u? dude i know did a one big cycle and kept a lot of the gains, he hasnt been in a gym for over a year and he still looks better then 99% natties
one cycle of only test is quite safe
https://sciencenorway.no/doping-exercise-norway/steroid-effects-can-last-decades/1392647
chances of being permanently shut down are very low as long as you keep it under 12 weeks
actually I know a guy in his 50's who does a couple 6 week cycles every year and has done for over a decade and he says when he's off he still feels fine in the gym and life and never does PCT
I wouldn't risk it, but one cycle for 10 years of gains is pretty great,
hmmmm i see, now i wanna do roids, rly nice, thanks bro
10 years of gains if you already maxed out your natty limit*
You are not going to get 10 years worth of gains from a single cycle if you are not already an advanced lifter who has to optimize everything to add 5lbs to their bench
How do i use test if i have no access to mumbo jumbo like AI/pct which i have no clue what the frick are they, can i just do test for 12 weeks at 200mg a week and stop without taking anything else?
Yeah but 200 wouldn't be worth it unless you are low. Its shutting you down for not much gain. 500 is the tried and true first cycle. Do get AI on hand though, its cheap.
because I don't even know if it's legal, and where to get it from if it is. I am in Oman if anyone's willing to share some knowledge
You just google it and sites pop up
it isnt legal but noone will really care because everyone does it
its like taking prescription meds with a prescription
based af
thanks bros, your posts made want to look more into it.
totaling everything (roughly) it's like 200 dollars for a cycle, and 600 if you do it "safely", 16-20 weeks long, pct for another 4, also self TRT is like 120 a year...
the gear itself costed roughly 135 bucks, the AI , PCT and HCG costed another 175 (hcg was $$$) and I bought a lot of "just in case" stuff which totaled another like 135-175, then my FULL BLOODWORK, test/estrogen/thyroid/cmp/cbc/etc, was 180, coulda been 105 but I they aren't servicing my place atm.
ur in the middle east? I've heard Indian's get it OTC practically, but u get fricked if u do it in the middle east? or it may be the other way around. either way I can guarantee in Dubai there's shit u can get. or just fly to a different country for a cycle.
I'd rather do one proper cycle to give myself a boost and easier gains from then on. If my dog shit progress continues then I'll do it next winter
ill do it in my late 30s when my gainz starts crashing
Daniel craig casino royale beach mogging physique is pretty much maintainable through your 30s and is my goal.
Absolutely beautiful
What kind of routine is needed to achieve this
Go to the gym a few times a week and do common compound exercises with some intensity for a few years.
Crazy right?
I wonder why he’s wearing a hat in the last panel.
why did Weston lose gains on TRT? I'm also skeptical if the picture where he's 39 was natty.
doctor wont prescribe me it even though i have test levels of a woman.
Because I have over 1000 T naturally.
I don’t want to be on the shit for the rest of my life yet.
I'm a hermit, I don't know where to get it
I don't need it.
I'm man enough without it.
gonna do my first cycle soon and my biggest concern is pinning wrong and hitting a nerve/bone/vein etc
I wanna do it on my glutes so if scar tissue builds up atleast it won't be on my delts
Why would I want to, I’m muscular from working out, why would I need to inject myself with chemicals that my body already naturally makes? Is your body failing you? Did you not take care of your body and are near your late 30s or something? My body is is great shape and I eat well, sleep well, and feel great and post-workout soreness only lasts for like 1-2 days after and it’s not like unbearable pain it’s pretty mild and you don’t really feel it once you start your day and it reminds you that you did a great job and really pushed yourself. Is this for some sort of powerlifting competition or bodybuilding competition? Please don’t tell me this is so people will finally respect you. Please. You are a human being worthy of Brasov human respect and the people who you treat properly but don’t reciprocate are not worthy of this insane injection endeavour. Just find better company and let them go. Is it for grils? Even ugly dumb goofy out of shape guys sometimes have some redeeming qualities and wife some dumb girl up and have weak dumb children (source: OP you wouldn’t have been born otherwise)
>^^^this post
.....silence from roidtrannies
Are you 12 and moronic anon?
Are you 50 and get your manhood from a bottle and needle?
Ah so you are a moronic 12 year old. Sorry anon, but IST is an 18+ board.
i like my heart healthy, thanks. plus if you actually train, are not fat, don't do drugs and alcohol you will keep your testosterone in old age. t. 36 with natural t of 750.
Umm actually T naturally drops off at 30 sweety
t. Chronic smoker alcoholic 5 hours avg sleep per night 270lbs 5’7 lift 1x per week
>le greater increase than PLACEBO
a completely pointless metric, but some brainlet here is probably going to get scared off by it nevertheless
im fat so it just becomes estrogen
Wouldnt it help you lose fat?
2 reasons
1. Infertility
2. Hair loss
I might hop on after I have kids. Meantime I’m in my mid 30s and I feel and look great so don’t need it.
>Scared of a little needle?
Yes. Maybe you wouldn't all of a sudden be having a whole host of blood clotting and immune system problems if you were too.
You are not good at reviewing the literature.
Don't want to disappoint them.
what does that mean?
if you don't know, it means you are uneducated. try reading some books and start with the Greeks
or don't, I'm no one to tell you what to do
lmao
>le child buttfricker pedos wouldn't be proud if I took testosterone :~~*((
>everyone did it
I see the americans are awake
>you can still claim natty
Interesting. Gendertrannies claim they are real women or men when they obviously are not. Roidtrannies claim natty when they are obviously not. And why would a roidtroony claim natty anyway? You’re not scared of people knowing, right?
>inb4 i-i-it’s to m-make natties seethe!
That doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t you want to prove that you have the courage to brave THE NEEDLE? That was the point of your post, right? Me personally, I have a nice, aesthetic dick, and have no desire to risk the strength of my erections. Oh shit, they probably didn’t mention erectile dysfunction is a likely side effect of long term use (which you would have to do if you want to keep your gains), did they? Uh oh. Sorry OP.
>Scared of a little needle?
Yes.
Bc I am. 160mg test. Any way to mitigate hair loss? Should I just ask for fin?
the truth is, if you're losing hair on just 160mg test, you would go bald either way without test, just not as fast, maybe you had like 1 more year
I'm not losing it any more, I have several of those little half hair things going but no noticeable receding hairline yet
I crush up 4 fin pills and put them in my minoxidil. Has been working great so far. Been about a year with no shedding and am even 2 months into a 500 test cycle. I am kind of scared about doing anything besides test though, but I think most of my previous hairloss was due to thyroid problems.
>Gets prostate cancer at age 40
No thank you, id rather look like DYEL than lose my health, and for what?
Because I look good enough to pick up girls, I have a head full of hair and I'm 6'3, I don't need to spend thousands on injections to improve my life.
I'll take it once I get older and need it. For now, I'm content mogging the roidheads with my natty lifts. Sure they're bigger than me and more vascular than me. Some them even have a slightly higher absolute lift over me. Meanwhile, I have higher relative lifts.
>3.2x deadlift
>2.7x squat
>1.9x bench (no bully)
Meanwhile I look fit but my muscles are small and dense. It's all about power. When I see a roidhead prepping to use straps on a heavy deadlift, I make sure to natty deadlift right next to him with no straps, chalk, and more weight. He knows I weigh half as much as he does and still deadlift 100lbs more than he does, without straps. God that feels fricking good.
rent free
>Thread is about roiding
>I reveal I like to mog the roidheads
>R-r-rent free!
Whatever helps you cope knowing natties are out there that mog you. Furthermore it's clear these roidheads are insecure. Getting mogged by a natty lifter half their size has to frick their psyche.
lmao I used to pull close to 5 plates at 69kg bw (152lbs) before I hopped on gear and I still think you're a sweaty homosexual, you're mogging people only in your own head because you let them live rent free there, nobody else cares
also most roiders usually focus on bodybuilding not powerlifting, if we take powerlifting-trained roiders, you're not mogging shit
do you think random people cared about me pulling 460lbs next to 700lbs+ pullers? no
do you think the 700lbs+ pullers cared about me pulling 460lbs because I'm smaller than them? no
nobody fricking cares about you being an insecure homosexual
yeah they usually prescribe something like cypionate then tell you to pin once a week which happens in big hormonal spikes like pic related which is fricking stupid
and yeah same about AI, instead of checking E2/prolactin/actual physical side effects into account and managing E2 levels relative to T to keep a good balance they will just have you nuke your E2 and you end up feeling even worse than before
if you're not noticing any recession then you're fine, balding is mostly genetic, you're either destined to go bald or not, know plenty of ifbb pros with full heads of hair
Oh they care, their body language reveals it. Your tantrum also proves it. Solid deadlift man, mines pretty similar at similar bodyweight. Sorry to see the gear is giving you roidrage tho. Might need to alter your dosage. Oh yeah roidrage is correlated with insecurity. So, that's a cool cope on your end too btw.
ok
it's mostly DHT conversion that causes hair loss so look into anabolic/androgenic ratio if you want to try other compounds, also you can run much lower T base with other compounds so it kind of takes some pressure off your hair
tbf a lot of people recommend against it but I just made friends at the gym that hook me up with T that I know they're taking so it's not bunk, if you had connections you could just buy a large stock that could last you years since as the other anon said test is cheap
you could also always have HCG + something for PCT ready just in case you need to come off
>it's mostly DHT conversion
Thanks, right and thats why I do topical fin. Was wanting to try NPP next with lower test base, but I heard that it has weird interaction with fin but I couldn't find info on using it topically. I have tbol on the way, I play lacrosse and wanting to see how much it helps with my sprints and other high intensity movements im training. Is the deca/npp thing with fin a myth?
Post a video of your deadlift.
In your dreams.
Look up anatoli powerlifter on YouTube. He's a small dude who generates an impressive power. Hell he mogged Larry Wheels who's open about being on gear and you can see even Larry felt mogged. The comments also all indicate how impressive anatoli is for generating such power with his physique. Keep seething. Keep coping.
Who are these people that you have never met that you care about so much about? Maybe focus on your own life, anon.
You never met me. Who am I that you've taken such a vested interest in my well being
i wear stuff cuz my body hurts not cuz i need it 🙁 I was forced to be muh bodybuilder, fricking gay
one of my biggest things in the gym when i started was no "cheating". and now i'm on steroids LMAO
a years worth of 125mg of test weekly is 105 dollars, 130 if you count shipping, and 250 if you realize most sources have a minimum spending, which you use to buy the HCG with anyways.
I rounded up all the "replacement" stuff, hgh, test, hcg, "anavar/primo", t3/t4, needles, etc etc. and it costs 3600 on a bad day a week if you go generic/ugl, like double if you do purely pharma. No fricking wonder the elites/athletes/middleclass do it???
oh, and +800 for bloodwork 4x a year.
wanna blast but dont want to lose hair. already on finasteride. what do?
Literally impossible to start i'm 31 and I know I have low t. But I live in the uk so I will never convince my gp. Frick this gay earth, I won't risk getting scammed online trying to buy. I hate that only the rich and elites have easy access to these life saving drugs.
Test is cheap. Very little risk of getting bunk gear if you only buy test, fake var and primo is a more real concern. Even if you get scammed once you only lose like 100 euro, no big deal. Read reviews before buying then you 99% certain you won't get scammed.
If I am going to do this, I want to do it forever like a normal person. So i need to make sure I can keep taking it in future, with the doctor they could prescribe forever, with online its all up in the air. I also have to look for the side effects. Frick bezos walks around juiced to gills and lives easy life, thats what I want I actually need this shit because I cant function.
because I wouldn't want to risk getting cucked by doctors suddenly saying it's time to get off. You don't know how the attitudes will be in 10 or 20 years, it might be completely banned.
It's like opiates, it's not scary getting medical grade opiates from a doctor, it's scary getting them for a prolonged amount of time and then getting cut off suddenly.
coming off T is nowhere near comparable to coming off opiates and even if you were forced to come off T, HCG/PCT stuff is also all prescription shit you can find in drug stores so you can just pay for a script to get them to restart your T production
i honestly have no idea
you definitely want to have some sort of AI and regular E2/prolactin checks
how much a person converts from T to E is genetic and highly individual, to put things into perspective, my friend running 500mg t/week is about 220pg e2 without ai, i'm running 600mg t/week and i'm around 57pg
Whats the worst that could happen if I did 150mg without a doctor and without labs just ordering it online? Im a poor neet dont want to pay israeli doctors.
Balls shrink temporarily, that's about it. Get some HCg too.And adex just in case.
Is hcg for reversing the balls and making you fertile for when you need kids? Anything else it would be used for?
Would I need an AI or is that too small of a dose to increase estrogen?
Probably not much. You may want some aromasin just in case. Its different for everyone. Some people can take 500 test and not even need AI. I for instance have just needed it a few times this cycle, maybe 4 total, when my skin got a little too oily and I noticed my nipples got a bit puffy. I still need to do bloods but I've been lazy about it. Another way to track is erections. If you have strong libido but ED that is prob high estrogen. No ED, and good morning wood you are prob good, no desire means no estrogen but you won't get that unless you take too much AI.
Not that anon but my e2 was 11pg/ml and I got no desire usually, is that too low? Should I start eating onions lol
I think that's too low yes, especially if you have no desire.
My natural testosterone levels are high enough, homosexual, literally over the normal high threshold. Why would I use something that would suppress my normal T production when I end up stopping it?
Low T homosexuals needs it anon. They can't conceive of a world where natty lifters naturally have higher T than they do
yeah but it could be even higher... and it won't do shit to your natural levels
i was 1260ng/dl natty before my first cycle and i bounced back just fine after pct
I'm happy with where my body is at. I prefer to not mess with a good thing, as I'm in my late 30s and my endocrine system may not be as prone to bouncing back as younger people here. I only lift for myself anyway, my wife was plenty happy when I looked like a potato, and I really am not narcissistic enough to feel that I need to look that much better for self-validation
Because it comes back within a few weeks unless you're doing silly stuff like tren and if you're smart about it you push ahead of where you'd be without them?
The only reason is that i want to keep my balls big so some sloot can fondle them inside her mouth. That's literally it, nothing else is stopping me.
My balls are well below average and I don’t think any woman can fit them in her mouth.
Frick off roidtroony, this is a health and fitness board
>health
where does it say that
TRT is healthy
for your pocket, israelite
Frick off crabs redditor, this is a fitness board.
Because I live in the United Cuckdom where it's impossible to get unless you're transitioning
just say you want to transition from male to alpha male
Going to start running 150mg test per week, seems like the optimal amount should put me at 1500ng/ml, basically a supernatty.
Can low thyroid make you low test? I noticed hypothyroidism and low test have the same symptoms pretty much.
My TSH is 5 and total test 250ng/dl, eating clean and lifting for years at 26 year old.
Hoping the thyroid meds i got also fix my test is that possible?
Seconded. 18 with 370 ng/dl and i'm fed up with living, can't sustain myself.
Any chance you've got male pattern baldness or are excessively hairy? I had normal test until I started on finasteride, after which it went up enormously. Was balding from my teens and hairy as frick at 12, so clearly I had a lot of test but it was all being turned over to DHT. I was actually on a break when I started the meds, and my biceps went from 13" to 14.5" and I lost 5 pounds over 6 months. It's known that these meds typically cause a modest bump (around 20-30%) in testosterone, but mine more than doubled. I also quite drinking alcohol after being an alcoholic for 12 years, and it's known that abstinence seems to cause high T indefinitely because of damage to the HPA axis of unknown etiology. In any case, my levels are up to 1,300 with a free of 50 and I'm doing better than I ever did in my 20s
Oh, and since that time I've continued to make gains wayyyyy faster than I used to. Biceps are much larger than they were at that 14.5" baseline and I'm looking like a tank. I just didn't even have the urge to work out until I started noticing physical and mental changes that were likely the result of higher T. Many months later, I'm still feeling fantastic, staying sober, and my hair is looking better than it has in a decade
The opposite actually my hair is fine but I cant grow a beard
A few pills of winstrol and anavar there and there still counts like trt only, right?
TRT is moronic. Either do steroids or don’t, don’t fall for TRT salesmen scams about how TRT will build as much muscle as steroids
Trt makes you feel good full of energy and will boost your lifts. Ofcourse it won't get you to the elite but for the average guy they just want to look slim with some abs and arms. Thats the sad reality. 04s8v
It's not moronic if you're actually low test.
But most people aren't. They're just eat like shit, don't train or have shitty sleep habits.
1. I enjoy the struggle and getting hard-earned gains, I believe they might be inherently worth more than chemical-induced ones
2. I don't want to get hooked up on a drug basically; I think there's a lot of overlap between roiders and junkies, the dependency might be not only physical, but also mental
3. Don't want to frick up my health and there are a lot of risk related to TRT
4. Gains are not even that great in relation to risk&cost
5. I'm not an ugly manlet, so I don't have to overcompensate
6. The strongest person I know knows steroids probably only from the scandals in sports, pinning a needle instead of working hard and being cool headed would make me feel like a b***h
>posts soÿzerk
TL;DR you dyel
You will never look like gutz natty anon, which is fine but stop coping.
Yeah, just posted a random pic with a muscular dude in it, not really related to my post.
Strongest guy I personally was friends with was natty as well, powerlifted since he was a teen and ironically idolized Arnold while not realizing Arnold used roids. He looked swole as frick, had the best genetics I've ever seen, but he was a man of traditional values who never wanted to give his children the example of a man that needed drugs to get ahead. Dude was 5'8" and could deadlift 800 lbs natty, which really was incredible for pure lift-to-size ratio.
7. I'm also lowkey jealous and afraid of needles. The thought of others surpassing me is also unpleasant.
Shit’s easy as frick anon. Once you do it you’ll realise how regarded you were to ever be scared of needles in the first place. At least that’s what happened to me.
once i realized i can do it all 100% sub q it turned my life around
Yeah it’ll do that. I’m assuming you’re hcganon then? I have some of that lying around I meant to incorporate into my last PCT. Maybe next time. Good to hear something’s working for you. Keep killin’ it tbh. YGMI.
im just some really dedicated autist to learning how stuff happens, got interested in nutrition and training then peds, but I got bloods at 20 after a 150+ weight loss and it's at 383 so i think i'm doing it.
please learn how to pin properly, literally go to site injections dot com or some shit, you'll get fricked up bad one day, u kinda just stick a needle in ur ass yeah, if u feel off its proba vein or someshit
looking into it, really, 4cycles of 500mg doesnt seem bad, why would i need 4 cycles? thats to much.
tbh whatever you’re thinking now is going to be miles different to your thinking when you actually start - how many cycles etc. I just posted this for some other anon in the /fraud/ general and I’d say to you the same thing I said to him: if you’re interested in a light first cycle what this caliwali doc recommends ain’t a bad way to go about it. If you have any more questions then shoot. Happy to give my perspective but cycling test is unbelievably safe at reasonable doses (same for Anavar). https://insidebodybuilding.com/anavar-stacks/#Anavar_and_Testosterone_Stack
not these anons but personally i don't even know how i pin
i literally just drive a 1.25" needle balls deep somewhere around what i think is my vg area and hope for the best lmao
That is a horrible way to do things. If I find you a link showing you how to pin do you promise to read it?
bruh i watched a bunch of videos and stuff and i still feel like idk how do they locate the proper area
i just sort of shift my body to the side so my side glute bulges out so i know where it is give or take and then switch to other leg to loosen up that muscle and pin
Well I’m posting this just in case it helps - https://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
Easy compendium of sites for IM pinning.
Because I'm not low t.
If I am going to roid I'm going to roid, not just shut down natty test production for no gains.
>want to be strong and good look natty
>cant because im low test
>hop on TRT
>hate myself for not being natty
I wish I was high test natty bros
700 natty, still on test lol, need new bloods but I'm on 300 so hopefully I'm at 1000
I might have to take it. I recently suffered a TBI at work and I'm not sure if I feel the same performing my workouts anymore. I just don't feel the same approaching it and I've heard a brain injury can really take the "wind out of your sail". Probably going to get my levels tested once I hit 1/2/3/4 again. Not looking forward to it but now that I'm a bit mentally impaired I don't want to be physically impaired as well. Sucks having to start over when I feel I was just hitting my peak.
What do you do for work?
Longshoreman
Because I'm not a søy eating, porn addled, marvel movie watching, pot smoking, booze gargling, reddit bug man and my old ass t levels are still naturally higher than some of the sad levels users ten years younger than me have posted of themselves on this site.
>Why aren't you on TRT?
I've paid my dues in term of the years figuring out how to reach my natural limit. Ppl mistake me for taking gear, I get mires, b***hes, and I still haven't reached my natty maximum.
So, I'm good. Maybe, JUST maybe later on when I'm 60.
dude DUDE hop on TRT then lie that you're natty
>to be completely honest I'm close to do a low dose a couple times per year
will TRT help a fattie who doesn't lift tho or should I just do HRT instead and become a femboy?
No one wants a fat femboy, whichever way you go hit the gym fatass.
I should be at the peak of my life. Yet, it's really really hard for me to live day by day like this and i can only do the most basic stuff. I have no idea how am i going to have a decent life by my 20s, can't imagine how it's going to be on my 40s. I can hope for a quiet peaceful life, but god, the times i felt like a man were amazing.
Anemia, hypothyroidism, low t, sleep apnea... just haven't necked myself because god is holding my hand. At least i can't get depression.
supplement t3/t4, testosterone, and hcg
you will increase thyroid production and test production, and most likely rbc count.
why hcg? what does it do? do you need an AI too if test is low say 100-150ish
Human chorionic gonadotropin
Mimics the effect of Luteinizing Hormone which tells your balls to make more testosterone
"protects fertility" and avoids necrosis of testicular tissue, also prevents balls from getting smaller so pct (if ever) is easier, also most likely no AI for anyone until like 250+mg
Aromatase inhibotor (think i spelt it right) blocks estrogen which stops high E symptoms, which isnt a good thing, but if E is to high it's bad, so use AI's sparingly because well, there is no upside to use them...
Because I'm man enough to produce my own T. Only trannies take T
I don't have to be. A person who eats well and dedicates himself can have a body that is satisfactory to the majority of people. The fact that people are willing to dope themselves to get as big as possible cheat themselves out of the journey of self discipline. They deserve no respect.
Sure, unless your natural level of T is just low and no matter how clean you eat and how well you follow your exercise routine you get shit gains, low mood and life generally is a drag. But it's easy to look down on others when genetic lottery hasn't served you a shit sandwich.
Most people have normal levels of T. I assure you 90% of these sad fricks injecting themselves with T have normal T levels for their biological sex. The problem is that they want to transition into something that only exists in their insane minds
And some don't and since the subject is now more openly talked about maybe more w people are getting tests done and fit in that category
Actually, most men today have significantly lower T levels than previous generations.
Every modern man should be on TRT
1. I don't like being a roidtroony.
2. If you become one you will mald in your early 30's.
3. Obvious organ failures, acne, mood swings, cancers and ageing really fast.
4. Only people with bad genes do this shit.
>Only people with bad genes do this shit.
Yeah no shit. I will do my best to set a healthy life but if stays hard i will be hoping on ITT shenanigans. I might actually need 'em to be independent, not for being a body obsessed moron.
Why don't you use your good genes for something better than being a homosexual.
yeah, that's why a ton of millionaire guys do T, growth and everything else the matrix made you believe it's bad for you.
you are a complete moron, just an npc lurking through earth. a drone spitting preprogrammed garbage at anyone you find online
Unless you're an old man with hypogonadism, you don't need TRT.
Or a young one with hypogonadism
it's the same as breast implants or plastic surgery
it promotes the same kind of mental illness and attracts the same neurotic, mentally ill people
I'm 26, no need for xenotestosterone. Maybe once I hit 60 and feel too insecure about my crumbling physique then might give it a try.
>Noone will know, you can still claim natty and it is fairly cheap
You will don't you? Why lie to yourself?
too scared of sides
same reason I'm not on fin
Cant I just add HCG when I want to be fertile or should I do it from the start?
I wouldn’t worry about HCG at all at first but you can run HCG during or after a cycle as part your PCT. I wouldn’t be overly-worried/worries at all about my fertility at these levels of Test usage.
I meant TRT so running it forever 100-150mg test
I have they were in the low 200s total and Im 25 years old. Yes I meant doing it for life. Would I need HCG from the start or only when I plan on having a kid? Dont mind having small balls.
I personally wouldn’t advise anyone who was 25 to do TRT for life.
If he’s doing TRT, so let’s say 150mg of Test per wk, I think there’s a good chance he won’t need to take anything for atrophy. Plus HCG as part of TRT indefinitely from 25. Sounds pricey.
>If he’s doing TRT, so let’s say 150mg of Test per wk, I think there’s a good chance he won’t need to take anything for atrophy
it will still shut you down
>Sounds pricey.
50 bucks a month is better than testicular atrophy and makes it easier to come off at any point
>50 bucks a month
Guess HCG is cheaper in your country.
that's how much my TRT clinic charges me for it
Huh, crazy, what do they slug you for Test?
You’re welcome tbh.
Before you frick your hormones get a bloodwork from a doctor and see your test levels. TRT might actually lower your test levels if you already have normal levels. Also coming off you may or may not go back to your norm test in 12 months or so. If you're doing test you do it for life or prepare to feel like dogshit trying to get off this stuff and changing your hormones.
Also test will not turn you into a greek god, for that you need to stack it with anabol and other compounds. Better to start a low dosage to see if you get any side if your body can handle it.
From the start to avoid the atrophy in the first place.
Could a low first TRT cycle make mild pubertal worse? It hasn't evolved since my teens
pubertal gyno*
I guess? The condition itself is supposed to self-resolve by 18 but there’s still a chance though the condition is benign. But that’s what the AI’s are for - which are essentially breast cancer meds that stop/lower Estrogen production and very effective.
i dont need it
Where?
My feminist doctor denied me so I had to go the illegal route and the feminist dealer got me only a few vials before I hit on her weed dealer friend and she cut me off
No GP will prescribe this. So I wonder if they just assume people will just go black market rout. Why do they prescribe antidepressants but never test, antidepressants do frick all for people and after long use you get addicted.
Voicelet here, will running trt pass 3 change your voice ? Currently t sits around 350
Voicelet here, will running trt past age of 30 change your voice ? Currently t sits around 350
Yes
Sweet, thanks anon
Do the testosterone creams work Anons? Wouldn't mind trying some T but I'm not eager to jump into injections before I get a sense of what it feels like to get BOOSTED.
>Do the testosterone creams work Anons?
Kind of… nowhere near enough to be worth considering trying to get a boost. There’s a stigma around injections though so I understand how you feel. It’s exactly how I felt originally.
Yeah I realise a lot of people will just take in their stride now but pinning seems like quite a sudden jump. I'm assuming the creams have a poor absorption rate?
A mixture of poor application and retention really.
They just don’t have a lot going for them. Even trying to find studies based on efficacy is difficult. If you want you can spend your time trying to look for alternatives but at the end of the day if you want to take Test and you’re not insane you’ll wind up realising that injections is and always has been the way to go. Otherwise why tf would everyone be pinning lol? If you accept it now it means you can at least spend that time you were looking for an alternative watching medical videos on YouTube about safe Intra-muscular injections and how to do them.
Thanks for the info Anon I appreciate it.
bros, why don't you all also do growth hormone, through mk677? are you afraid of swallowing pills?
actually I had the question of how do I use HGH for anti-aging but I forgot to post cause i need to unlock my vpn for it lmao
Anyways, Can I run 1-2 IU year around? maybe 4 every once in a while but i'd have to get bloods obviously
It's only for anti-aging/fatloss/recovery/sleep, absolutely no care for swoleness.
no, don't do it year round, do like 6 month cycles max of mk677. anything more and you risk getting insulin resistance.
i meant real HGH not mk
I was reading that too yeah, 2 is MAX, 3 is like, fricking get bloods, 4 is like, metformin or cycle.
I really wanna try hgh, I gotta wait 2ish years to do it though because surgery, sad if I can somehow convince my mom to give it to me while i'm down it'd be massive, but that's some monsterous work...
It's expensive but it can definitely be worth it. I only run it when I'm off cycle and I used to get minor muscle strains that would sideline me for a week or two, but with HGH I'm good to go in a day or two.
whats the big deal with generic? is it really that bad. .70-1.40 dollars versus 6-8 seems worth per IU. considering 2x....
I should note I used to be MORBIDLY OBESE, and have a really bad knee, and rotator cuff pain.
I've only ever taken generic so I can't speak from experience. I wouldn't even bother with the pharmaceutical unless I was competing. That might justify the expense.
good, cause i wasn't going to buy pharma anyways LMAO
also i can always just take metformin... (which i have on hand anyways for binges)
why? mk677 is a a growth hormone secretagogue, it "naturally" stimulates **endogenous** growth hormone. why shut down natural production when you can just take a pill that doesn't shut you down? just be careful with your sugar levels
endogenous hgh doesnt work the same as endogenous tesosterone through the htpa, it's more similar to the thyroid, even more resliant actually, if you do say 1 IU in the am, it would have no impact on the amount naturally secreted at night, and even then, it's only "evening out" the amount, and not shutting it down.
or so i've been told, I also dont care about injections, i forget pills more tbf.
Yeah if I start I have to monitor IGF, i'm so young that I may not even do any of this shit, but who knows. I will once I move out 100% though.
In most cases 2iu can be run perpetually.
Been on low dose for a year but I want to have kids someday :/
Because as far as I know it fricks with your body's natural production of testosterone and will make it so you have to be a roid troony afterwards to maintain an erection.
Twink death. Except this would be more like one of those ISIS anti-aircraft gun execution videos.
What?
Shut the frick up homosexual
"What?"
"What?"
"What?"
Am I typing frickin' Chinese to you?
Really didn't expect a gay to be here
Go away homosexual
You have the entirety of mainstream society to fall back on
This is our space
become a twunk babe
IST always complains about being skinnyfat but they dont have 20$ for test lol
I've been on 100mg every other week for 12 months. I took a sperm motility test and apparently my boys can swim?
I'm so confused based on everything I read about TRT. I don't use trt for bodybuilding purposes I use it just to feel normal and not depressed
>100mg
>every other week
A negligible amount.
Interesting. Can you explain more?
The test said the results would be visible within 5 mins of activation. When i did it it turned dark purple instantly
Not him but with 100 every other week your levels are going to be going up and down. It should be per week or even 2x per week for best results. If you feel fine on 100 then you'd do 50 2x a week for instance.
I don't necessarily FEEL like I'm going up and down even tho the hormones probably are.
But I shouldn't have to worry too much about fertility then?
What if it's test-U?
That's even worse. You're playing games. You're not actually that moronic.
What's wrong with test undecanoate?
I'm not as familiar with that but test has been studied for like 100 years and despite it being a long ester, that just doesn't seem optimal. IMO that is just slowly neutering you. Get some personal blood tests after a week if you want to check.
I'm taking test cyp
then you need to increase the frequency, once every two weeks is not enough and your dose is too low
Ok so with test cyp every 2 weeks thats fricking terrible. Your doctor is an idiot. Get some tests and show him if he won't do it. Use Ulta Labs coupons if you have to.
So yall are saying this is hurting more than helping?
Absolutely, yes.
Yeah, check for yourself. Get a blood test a week into it and see how low you are.
>I've been on 100mg every other week
Your test levels will drop significantly 3-4 days after pinning. 100mg per week would be well below replacement levels for most people, and when you say "every week" what the frick are doing, not pinning for a week?
Just get off the shit entirely because you're seriously hurting yourself.
>you're seriously hurting yourself.
Can’t imagine it’s great for anons mood either.
I feel fine but I'll start to crash if I go longer than 3 weeks
tbh if you’re going to have test running through your body have it running through your body consistently. Or don’t. Either way the 1/2-1/2 shit is moronic.
WHY THE FRICK IS THE NEEDLE GOING THROUGH THE CAP
Because the person who made this image has never handled any meds
I've got AEXS and I'm already dealing with gynecomastia.
My GF measured me and I have like 34D appearantly and I need to wear a sports bra to exercise.
If I injected testosterone, my body would just turn it into more estrogen and they would grow even larger.
I don't mind having them, having them is kinda fun not gonna lie.
I wouldn't want big ones though.
>If I injected testosterone, my body would just turn it into more estrogen
Umm what is an AI and in your case possibly even a SERM also, provided you use the ones that work fine together
As that anon said he doesn’t mind the breasts. I believe he was merely floating with that post and nothing else.
Gloating*
Frick sake.
True, just odd and figured I'd mention it in case he was actually serious about the breasts and needed help like a normal person would
I'm OK with my current size, I would not want even bigger ones.
Though to be fair I don't pass as a guy anyway so what difference does it make aside from getting in the way more?
Post breasts or trolling.
Are you gay or something?
You are now officially trolling and as such I shall be forced to summon the jannies. Heh, just remember I warned you kid.
I could get aromatase inhibitors perscribed, yea.
Though I don't want to frick over my health and I'm OK with my body as it is.
You have fricking breasts you crazy person lmao
So what?
Unlike you I also have a girlfriend
Have a wife and 3 kids mr fricking D breasts that "doesn't want to hurt his health" you frickin fatass lmao
>fatass
67 kg is hardly fat lol
So you are a twink with man boobs and you are on here bragging? And you have boobs and you are worried about trying to fix it hurting your health?
Yea, I'm kind of a twink, anything wrong with that?
And having breasts isn't unhealthy unless you get breast cancer.
KEK when are you going to transition?
Nah, while I do look OK in a dress and my GF sometimes likes dressing me up, I'm still a dude.
what about clomid instead of trt?
From what I remember clomid is a dumb and brutish way of raising t by crashing e. You need e so you will hurt yourself in various ways.
from what ive read, low dose clomid is effective in signaling endogenous test production, without shutting you down and also lowers e a bit. I'm not talking about a normal dose to crash e. just a very mild dose.
What for? Literally as a substitute for TRT?
just to raise t a bit, lose some fat too, for the summer! kek
Silliness. There’s a reason it’s used as PCT and that’s to help re-regulate your Test/Estrogen levels. Makes very little sense to be doing it as a replacement because you’re not down with needles (I assume). I’d say run Anavar only instead. Good intro and good for cutting visceral fat with mild muscle building properties and little to no side effects.
will read more on the var, thanks bro/s
If you look further up the thread you’ll find an article from a doctor in the states who prescribes it that gives breddy good general info on it. Have fun reading tbh.
You might get slightly lower T from Anavar but it’ll be negligible and you’ll lose fat, retain lean muscle mass and prolly feel great. + your T levels will go back naturally quickly enough.
JANNIES!!!
JANNIES!!!
GTFO IN HERE YOU USELESS FRICKING PILES OF FILTH AND ESCORT THIS FREAK OFF OF MY BOARD IMMEDIATELY!!!
FAILURE TO COMPLY WILL RESULT IN A 99% SLASHING OF WAGES YOU USELESS FRICKING c**tS.
You'll never ever convince the homosexuals on here that natty max is ideal. It's like women thinking anorexic models are ideal vs their lying eyes showing what men actually like (still thin you fat women, but not stick thin). Same with muscle. Some is good, but it actually is a negative for aesthetics past a certain point. You get fooled over and over because other MEN respect excess muscle. "b-b-but I don't lift for women I just lift for myself!" Sure, homosexual. Keep telling us that.