nta but I presume it comes back easier due to muscle memory though, no? Like if you got muscle once, and then you lose it, regaining is way way easier than building for the first time (I believe there's scientific data behind it; something with myonuclei not going away once they've been created or smthng like that)
Sarms actually cause muscle growth while roids just cause bloating unless you do a bunch of cycles or stay on like most do. Sarms also were designed for muscle wasting so cause increases in bone density.
Steroids are cheaper and as far as we know they work better. You can literally Google search "buy steroids" and use one of the first links to have them shipped to your door with your parent's credit card.
Sure its that easy, surely your credit card info and money won't just get stolen, surely even if they ship, they won't ship some mystery juice that is not even steroids.
Few weeks of LGD brought me down to 131 ng/dL test while still taking enclomiphene. Just do test + actual steroids
one month in 20mg ostarine cycle didn't change my test levels at all, not much gains either, but I've been eating like shit and barely sleeping. still jumped on enclo, because I bought a liquid version some time ago and I was worried it's gonna lose potency
after, I mean halfway through the cycle. I didn't test right before, because I kept postponing it like a moron, but I had another blood work few years ago and the levels were very close and my test could only drop from that point
Yes. To those that say it don’t, it’ll cause suppression (say, you’re 600ng/dl, you’ll drop by half), but anything above Ligandrol (RAD, YK, S23,etc.) will give a full shutdown
I dont a have reason why I would use them? The default state is not doing something. If I had a reason I probably would, but I don't.
Im 29 years old. I dont have social media, i dont post pictures of myself anywhere, I dont have a personal training business, I dont compete in bodybuilding, I dont compete in powerlifting. I have literally zero reason to use sarms/steroids. I dont get any of the indirect benefits but I would get all of the direct health negatives. So there is no trade off, it's just a net loss through and through.
I've been lifting since Zyzz. The physique and strength I have is enough to compete on a national level in both powerlifting and natural bodybuilding. Any gym that I go Im virtually the most elite natural there and even above some roiders who have just recently hopped on gear. There are literally no perceived benefits for me to start frauding now. Im open for TRT in my 50's if im still mentally ill and have body dysmorphia. I hope at that point in my life I wouldnt be insecure about it but i can admit that it could be a theoretical possibility.
Because I'm not interested in taking poorly studied research chemicals and putting myself in danger just so I can continue to do what I already enjoy doing.
Honestly it hasnt really affected my test as far as I can tell. Balls havent shrank still want to frick often and hair is all the same so feels like it hasnt changed much.
I still wake up diamonds and horny as frick all the time. Last year I took this same stack for about 3 months. Stopped taking it around october and now just started again last week.
When I stopped I didnt notice any difference and didnt take any PCT
If I recall i was around 195lbs when I stopped and then dropped to like 190 and stayed around 190. I feel like it was mostly water weight thugh since my lifts didnt change
>ibutamoren >solo
no dude. you want >ostarine 20mg >enclo 8mg >ibutamoren 15mg
somewhere around there and take all the precautions to protect your liver, test production, and hdl cholesterol.
>take all the precautions to protect your liver, test production, and hdl cholesterol.
doesn't that entail a bunch of other supplements? And I would have to stop drinking, right?
If I could hop on something even if it's only a small boost for a few weeks, I think I'd rather do that before I really get into taking a stack and all that stuff. I don't know much about this, forgive me if I sound moronic.
ibutamoren maybe increases your hgh secretion by 2 iu a day. not going to do much. also it makes you insulin resistant. >doesn't that entail a bunch of other supplements
yeah that's the world of PEDs >I think I'd rather do that before I really get into taking a stack and all that stuff
then just do the ostarine. get bloodwork done before and after. don't crash your test to 100ng/dl and loose your gains in a month
how expensive is the bloodwork for this? Is it just test you look at?
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>test >e2 >hdl >liver enzymes >etc
it's like $25 in leafland
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what is the point of testing blood? what are you going to do about it? If you take time it'll just go back to normal anyways
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>what is the point of testing blood?
what kind of question is this? the point is so that you can see if anything is really jacked up, so you can stop taking whatever you are taking so you don't go into liver failure or whatever
Because everyone tells me SARMS are a miracle drug that aren't as bad as real steroids but also cause real muscle growth and are basically Gods gift to man kind.
There's no way any of that shit is real.
Sarms have all the negative effects of roids with a fraction of the benefits. They're fisher price steroids for children too scared of needles or breaking the law.
>equally
No, not equally, only moderately smaller. That's why they were developed and people use them - they're somewhat weaker with much fewer side effects.
>anavar is a real steroid with decades of research behind it and several medical uses, and that scared me a little >so I decided to try barely tested research chemicals instead
They aren't with zero side effects, I think the point is that the side effects are considerably milder than steroids, but are also not quite as potent
So basically, lower benefit but safer, a more conservative option
They aren't illegal but they're still banned for athletes. Sure some believe the risk is well worth it, but some of them will get caught and suffer consequences
The male version of doing this transformation is to be sedentary and over eat and take a small dose of estrogen to make sure all the fat gain goes to the hips legs and chest area to get a nice curvy physique.
women lifting weights and taking steroids is toxic feminism
These people are taking SARMs in 100x the dose that was tested for safety.
It ends up being no different than those old school oral roids.
Your gonna get sick eventually because of liver damage if anything
burgerbros, where can I get bloodwork done? I did a cursory search and Labcorp offers it for $199 which is doable but I was wondering if there is something a bit cheaper and maybe more tailored to frauding, any recommendations?
The "roids give better results" argument is a shit one, to be quite honest, senpai.
Life isn't an all or nothing. We make sacrifices and compromises all the time. No person is able or willing to do everything at its 100% pinnacle. Things like driving, cooking, eating, sleeping, walking, clothing, housing, and so on. Unless you've bought the best in each of those categories it's ridiculous to call out people that want to use SARMs despite their effect being lesser than roids.
It's a question of therapeutic window, and for sarms, we just don't have that much data on it. (I guess there may be some phase 1/2 trials, but it's not even close to the knowledge on traditional roids).
I encourage zoomers to be guinea pigs though. Who knows, they might even discover deadly side effects and save other people.
Why aren't I using sarms?
1. It's hard to find good information online about them, so I don't know much about them
2. I am an athlete that is subject to potential drug tests, so testing positive or getting caught ordering them through mail would be disastrous
3. I would need to be at back to baseline body function without peds by the fall (when the next season starts)
They are not legal here and get seized by customs. Also, the law treats shit like Mk677 like actual GH and applies the same rules in terms of the amounts you can own before it's considered intent of distribution, so even the smallest bottle of Ibutamoren could get you screwed.
I am strongly considering it. There is no future for me here and I am forced to live with my parents while working a WFH job. The moment things get really bad, I am fricking off to Thailand or Cambodia and living a humble lifestyle.
I would try em but I'm worried about getting an imbalance somewhere because homegym with limited equipment. Can't exactly blast out machine volume on some lagging spot.
That is some insane freak angle frauding, not flexing in the first pic and having a pump in the second pic. Probably some attempt at trying to trick women into doing steroids by going ''you only need 3 weeks to get these results?''
Those pictures were 100% taken minutes apart.
you don't keep your gains
nta but I presume it comes back easier due to muscle memory though, no? Like if you got muscle once, and then you lose it, regaining is way way easier than building for the first time (I believe there's scientific data behind it; something with myonuclei not going away once they've been created or smthng like that)
You keep all muscle your hormone levels can sustain.
Sarms actually cause muscle growth while roids just cause bloating unless you do a bunch of cycles or stay on like most do. Sarms also were designed for muscle wasting so cause increases in bone density.
Most old people should be on them
>Most old people should be on them
Seriously? I am approaching 50 and did not know this
But I am using SARMS
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bawds
Steroids are cheaper and as far as we know they work better. You can literally Google search "buy steroids" and use one of the first links to have them shipped to your door with your parent's credit card.
Sure its that easy, surely your credit card info and money won't just get stolen, surely even if they ship, they won't ship some mystery juice that is not even steroids.
pathetically anxious and neurotic, like a woman
Also egotistical, why would a black market seller who lives and dies off of their reputation sell you out or give obviously bunk shit?
You're not that important and your cheeks are heating up lmao
Are those legit?
because i’m already prone to acne. and i’m not too keen on heart problems.
Cause I use tren and it is better
tren is a sarm
>tren
>better
no refunds
do you feel the urge to frick gym twinks?
Because SARMS are for zoomer homosexuals afraid of pinning.
>t. Actual drug user (200mg Tren Ace, 500mg Test Cyp, 250mg Primo)
>bragging about pinning
Your testicles are raisins. Sit down
>Posts one of the tiniest amounts of the roid to take
Minimum 2g or its a waste of time
But I am using SARMSs
Do sarms shut down natural T production?
Few weeks of LGD brought me down to 131 ng/dL test while still taking enclomiphene. Just do test + actual steroids
I think the concept is that ur test will come back with SARMs, in some cases without any PCT. With roils you risk permanent shut down.
What was your lgd and enclo dosage? I'm currently on week 4 of 8 of 10mg lgd and 6.25 mg enclo ED
one month in 20mg ostarine cycle didn't change my test levels at all, not much gains either, but I've been eating like shit and barely sleeping. still jumped on enclo, because I bought a liquid version some time ago and I was worried it's gonna lose potency
You blood tested before and after?
after, I mean halfway through the cycle. I didn't test right before, because I kept postponing it like a moron, but I had another blood work few years ago and the levels were very close and my test could only drop from that point
Yes. To those that say it don’t, it’ll cause suppression (say, you’re 600ng/dl, you’ll drop by half), but anything above Ligandrol (RAD, YK, S23,etc.) will give a full shutdown
I am, I'm 2 weeks into 10mg/day of Rad 140.
I dont a have reason why I would use them? The default state is not doing something. If I had a reason I probably would, but I don't.
Im 29 years old. I dont have social media, i dont post pictures of myself anywhere, I dont have a personal training business, I dont compete in bodybuilding, I dont compete in powerlifting. I have literally zero reason to use sarms/steroids. I dont get any of the indirect benefits but I would get all of the direct health negatives. So there is no trade off, it's just a net loss through and through.
I've been lifting since Zyzz. The physique and strength I have is enough to compete on a national level in both powerlifting and natural bodybuilding. Any gym that I go Im virtually the most elite natural there and even above some roiders who have just recently hopped on gear. There are literally no perceived benefits for me to start frauding now. Im open for TRT in my 50's if im still mentally ill and have body dysmorphia. I hope at that point in my life I wouldnt be insecure about it but i can admit that it could be a theoretical possibility.
Post body.
Post body or topstory
Because I'm not interested in taking poorly studied research chemicals and putting myself in danger just so I can continue to do what I already enjoy doing.
on my second cycle of sarms. Mk677 20mg a day and rad 140 20 mg a day and 1mg arimadex
last time went from 165/170 to 195.
Going for 210/215 this time around.
The only shitty thing is i constantly feel like im starving from the mk but you get used to it
How badly does it affect ur test production?
Honestly it hasnt really affected my test as far as I can tell. Balls havent shrank still want to frick often and hair is all the same so feels like it hasnt changed much.
I still wake up diamonds and horny as frick all the time. Last year I took this same stack for about 3 months. Stopped taking it around october and now just started again last week.
When I stopped I didnt notice any difference and didnt take any PCT
so when you stopped you didn’t lose noticeable muscle mass?
If I recall i was around 195lbs when I stopped and then dropped to like 190 and stayed around 190. I feel like it was mostly water weight thugh since my lifts didnt change
why arimadex? sarms don't aromatize
would it be possible to take a low dose cycle of mk677 for just a few weeks? is it even worth it?
>ibutamoren
>solo
no dude. you want
>ostarine 20mg
>enclo 8mg
>ibutamoren 15mg
somewhere around there and take all the precautions to protect your liver, test production, and hdl cholesterol.
>take all the precautions to protect your liver, test production, and hdl cholesterol.
doesn't that entail a bunch of other supplements? And I would have to stop drinking, right?
If I could hop on something even if it's only a small boost for a few weeks, I think I'd rather do that before I really get into taking a stack and all that stuff. I don't know much about this, forgive me if I sound moronic.
ibutamoren maybe increases your hgh secretion by 2 iu a day. not going to do much. also it makes you insulin resistant.
>doesn't that entail a bunch of other supplements
yeah that's the world of PEDs
>I think I'd rather do that before I really get into taking a stack and all that stuff
then just do the ostarine. get bloodwork done before and after. don't crash your test to 100ng/dl and loose your gains in a month
how expensive is the bloodwork for this? Is it just test you look at?
>test
>e2
>hdl
>liver enzymes
>etc
it's like $25 in leafland
what is the point of testing blood? what are you going to do about it? If you take time it'll just go back to normal anyways
>what is the point of testing blood?
what kind of question is this? the point is so that you can see if anything is really jacked up, so you can stop taking whatever you are taking so you don't go into liver failure or whatever
Because everyone tells me SARMS are a miracle drug that aren't as bad as real steroids but also cause real muscle growth and are basically Gods gift to man kind.
There's no way any of that shit is real.
Only one itt with a head on his shoulders.
>There's no way any of that shit is real.
It's not, the "No side effects" shit is just marketing for moronic zoomers.
>Increased risk of heart attack or stroke.
>Psychosis/hallucinations.
>Sleep disturbances.
>Sexual dysfunction.
>Liver injury and acute liver failure.
>Infertility.
>Pregnancy miscarriage.
>Testicular shrinkage.
Don't forget about those little kids on Youtube panicking because they're vision now has a parament yellow tint
Sarms have all the negative effects of roids with a fraction of the benefits. They're fisher price steroids for children too scared of needles or breaking the law.
>le opinion!
Sarms have only a tiny fraction of the androgenic effects - hair loss, acne, aging, etc.
An an equally small fraction of the anabolism
>equally
No, not equally, only moderately smaller. That's why they were developed and people use them - they're somewhat weaker with much fewer side effects.
>anavar is a real steroid with decades of research behind it and several medical uses, and that scared me a little
>so I decided to try barely tested research chemicals instead
This
They aren't with zero side effects, I think the point is that the side effects are considerably milder than steroids, but are also not quite as potent
So basically, lower benefit but safer, a more conservative option
how do you get SARMs as a yuropoor
Drugs are antithetical to health, and I'm probably of the 20% minority on this board that actually cares about taking care of myself.
>5’2
If I was that short, I would blast gear too
They aren't illegal but they're still banned for athletes. Sure some believe the risk is well worth it, but some of them will get caught and suffer consequences
I dont wanna look like I'm 40 at 27
>crabs doint the dance at the beach
what did she mean by this
I'm also confused by this... something about period pain maybe?
I think this might be it.
Can any femanons confirm?
See
She's referencing crab rave "my period is gone, cue crab rave music"
>my period is gone
She made herself infertile holy shit. I wonder if she realizes.
good. we have enough babies
I am calling for total anti-natalist death
Not enough White ones.
I don't know where to find them. I got the money but not the knowledge.
you just go on eroids (review aggregator and forums for steroids)
>there's the crabs doing the dance at the beach and evergthing
WDTMBT?
I'm not a drug addict
But yes, I am very small and weak. So what?
I'm not some pussy who needs drugs to have 18" arms.
Actually disgusting.
The male version of doing this transformation is to be sedentary and over eat and take a small dose of estrogen to make sure all the fat gain goes to the hips legs and chest area to get a nice curvy physique.
women lifting weights and taking steroids is toxic feminism
Hard to get in Australia
Because i cam just bulk, any time i start going to the gym seriously i usually do well.
These people are taking SARMs in 100x the dose that was tested for safety.
It ends up being no different than those old school oral roids.
Your gonna get sick eventually because of liver damage if anything
I saw a vid of someone saying a pateints test levels were significantly higher after one of the medium tier not as hardcore ones I wanna say dianabol.
Afaik long term can be just as bad as high dose. People with cte legit get fricked hard by test shutting down.
What is the actual difference between SARMS and steroids?
They say it produces the shit tesosterone produces instead of replacimg the hormone itself therefore it does minimal harm to your body.
burgerbros, where can I get bloodwork done? I did a cursory search and Labcorp offers it for $199 which is doable but I was wondering if there is something a bit cheaper and maybe more tailored to frauding, any recommendations?
did sarms for 2 weeks.
went from 145 to 210 lbs and 30% bodyfat to 9%
The "roids give better results" argument is a shit one, to be quite honest, senpai.
Life isn't an all or nothing. We make sacrifices and compromises all the time. No person is able or willing to do everything at its 100% pinnacle. Things like driving, cooking, eating, sleeping, walking, clothing, housing, and so on. Unless you've bought the best in each of those categories it's ridiculous to call out people that want to use SARMs despite their effect being lesser than roids.
Some people just want less of an effect.
It's a question of therapeutic window, and for sarms, we just don't have that much data on it. (I guess there may be some phase 1/2 trials, but it's not even close to the knowledge on traditional roids).
I encourage zoomers to be guinea pigs though. Who knows, they might even discover deadly side effects and save other people.
Lots of people having been taking them for years. Combined with the studies that exist I think we have a pretty good feel for most of them.
>Some people just want less of an effect.
less than 250mg test 50mg var which has near zero sides with decades of research and empirical evidence?
And thats not even a bad first blast if morons actually blasted and cruised and forgot about the PCT nonsense
>Gained 35 pounds in three weeks
uhh what
I will not dirty my pure blood
Plastic in your blood right now
Because I want to keep my hair and keep my dick working.
>a nice haircut can turn 90% of guys from average to good-looking
>somehow that's a bad thing and you should shave your head instead
????
Why aren't I using sarms?
1. It's hard to find good information online about them, so I don't know much about them
2. I am an athlete that is subject to potential drug tests, so testing positive or getting caught ordering them through mail would be disastrous
3. I would need to be at back to baseline body function without peds by the fall (when the next season starts)
what should I do for a 30 day cycle that's somewhat mild?
>mini cycle
see i was always told there’s no point in doing no less than 6 weeks on sarms
They are not legal here and get seized by customs. Also, the law treats shit like Mk677 like actual GH and applies the same rules in terms of the amounts you can own before it's considered intent of distribution, so even the smallest bottle of Ibutamoren could get you screwed.
Ausgay?
Not him but I am an Ausgay too. What did you expect from a country that charges $65 for 1L of vodka and $70 for 40 cigarettes?
Your nation is a nany state and economic basket case.
Emigrate
I am strongly considering it. There is no future for me here and I am forced to live with my parents while working a WFH job. The moment things get really bad, I am fricking off to Thailand or Cambodia and living a humble lifestyle.
Do it before your gubmint bans you from leaving
If you don't like it you can frick off to Russia mate
Nothing wrong with that idea
I would try em but I'm worried about getting an imbalance somewhere because homegym with limited equipment. Can't exactly blast out machine volume on some lagging spot.
That is some insane freak angle frauding, not flexing in the first pic and having a pump in the second pic. Probably some attempt at trying to trick women into doing steroids by going ''you only need 3 weeks to get these results?''
Those pictures were 100% taken minutes apart.
It's all just the angles and lighting, pump helps too
cringe dyel
based, mirin'
i've seen some anons speculate that that screencap is just some musclegirl fetish fiction shit, which makes sense
Because I take steroids and aren't a homosexual that's afraid of needles