Why did people hate HYDRA Cap so much? I found it very engaging and interesting.
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Why did people hate HYDRA Cap so much? I found it very engaging and interesting.
Because it was happening right around the ANAD line, which was focused on subverting old heroes and replacing them with new, racially diverse models. Secret Empire would have been a cool story if Sam-Cap wasn't waiting in the wings (if you'll pardon the pun) for Steve to die and to become the primary Captain America again
This. It was replacement theory anxiety and outrage addicted homosexuals couldn't handle the idea of a white guy temporarily being shown negatively.
...They still can't.
You're moronic. Marvel was aiming to off Steve for real and replace him with Sam while dragging Steve's rep through the mud so he could never recover. That it failed spectacularly is why they gave up completely on Ironheart and Jane Thor.
Wasn't it all about the comic being simply fricking stupid, like all capeshit?
Normal people didn’t know it was obviously temporary bullshit.
it's hilarious to me how little normies understand comics, not even through just pop cultural osmosis. Every time some obviously temporary development happens for shock value they plaster it all over social media and on blogs and make a big to-do over it only to react with equal surprise when it gets undone like two years later.
just like superior spide-man, yes idiot doc ock is here to stay forever.
It's really easy to grift people that think gimmicks will stick around forever.
NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN
THIS WILL CHANGE THE COURSE OF <insert character here> FOREVER
to be fair some bad stuff and gimmicks usually do stick around way longer than they should especially when compared to good or positive developments which usually get thrown out in no time
It was also third times the charm, Tony broke bad after Axis and only got better after the universe imploded and spidey broke bad for superior and only got better for a movie release to have amazing get a number 1 at the time of its release. Cap just broke bad at an awkward time and it never sat well with normies or comics fans despite the run and direct event not being bad. I still think that the fall out of the event is why Spencer did the run on amazing he did to get spidey fans on his side after everything, and I fell for it and still mostly enjoy the run
They bought into the hype, watched some insufferable youtuber/influencer talking about it and forgot about it the next day. The only thing this did was draw attention to marvel and captain america books
pretty much this. it got mcu normalgay attention who were loud in their hatred of the idea. i wouldn't be shocked if some higher up actually stepped in and told marvel comics to undue it because it was making terrible headlines.
It wasn’t though, they never undid it. They just made it super convoluted so nobody mentions it. But cap was always a hydra agent.
>It wasn’t though
The change happened in Avengers: Standoff. In the same fricking crossover event they introduced a device that could undo that shit.
>Normal people didn’t know it was obviously temporary bullshit.
Oh frick you. It was the exact opposite. Everyone and their uncle knew it was such obvious bait bullshit. This kind of shit would have been tired and old hat forty years ago. This is exactly the problem with so many comics. Cheap fake outs, stunts and events. NOBODY expected it to last so NOBODY cared. It just became an annoying matter of time before they undid it.
They have never undone this retcon. Neither have they undone the retcons to 616 Tony Stark being a traitor all his life or the "Black Widow is a series of identical clones with copied memories" retcon. Those three characters are insanely fricked up right now and Marvel could have fixed it so easily, but they have chosen to go down the path of convoluted bullshit that makes no sense when you try to read it.
>I found it very engaging and interesting.
No you didn't.
>It's okay to tell a shitty story because it won't be important in a year
And you morons wonder why nobody likes your garbage.
all set up, no pay off.
Secret Empire was a weak ending to a pretty solid Cap storyline.
It also felt like Spencer lost interest in writing SamCap during that period (or it just was no longer his priority once Acuna left and the whole Secret Empire storyline became an event), which made it just feel like a chore to read.
Because
>if you liked the build-up, the whole storyline shat the bed with the Secret Empire mini
>if you were anticipating Steve Rogers coming back as Cap, this was another annoying swerve at a time when Marvel was addicted to doing annoying predictable "shock"
>if you were an MCU fan that didn't read comics you wouldn't be used to Marvel doing these dumb stunts
>if you were addicted to social media and politics and performative outrage this was yet another sign of The Bad Times (Left Outragers that didn't read comics thought Marvel was simping for Trump and Nazis, Right Outragers that didn't read comics thought Marvel were Nazis against Trump)
This thing managed to piss everyone across the board
I will never forget that Secret Empire got both leftoids and rightoids equally upset. True beauty
What decision could Marvel make that'd achieve that again?
Marvel started going downhill with Civil War. Quesada's policy to let indie creators do absolutely anything with the characters regardless of the past led to eternal character assassinations, deaths and endless heroes fighting heroes events. It got even worse in the 10s.
Interesting setup and premise... for a what-if or a story taking place in an alternate reality, not a fricking mainline story. Interesting because the character taking over the world wasn't a super scientist, a super sorcerer, or even particularly superpowered, it was just an extremely charismatic person that nearly everybody overlooked and trusted and didn't know his true motives or realize how dangerous they were until they had already manipulated events to go his way.
Like others said, the buildup was interesting, the payoff fell flat on its ass, the problem is that we can't determine if it turned out the way it did because Spencer sucks ass at sticking the landing, or if the higher-ups caught wind of the shitstorm being brewed over it and told them to make changes ASAP.
Normies spazzed the frick out because they assumed Captain America (who was at peak popularity due to the MCU) apparently being retconned into a nazi. I want to say it was never gonna stick but I believe editorial wanted to ruin Steve and knock him off to push Sam as THE Cap. The harsh rejection to that and Peter being Spider-Man in the movies is probably why they never attempted to replace Peter with Miles full time. Expect them to pull some bullshit between now and the release of Brave New World or within a couple years of it. Steve is a fricking goner one way or the other by 2027 or 2028 at the latest. They maybe can't ruin him spectacularly but they can kill him off.
For some stupid reason, Marvel kept insisting he was the real Steve.
Dumb.
Uhh no it wasn't.
It was a fun reveal but I think that it was handled poorly and got really bad during Secret Empire. Marketing was also a disaster for that event and apparently a lot of comic shops were burned and stuck with merchandise nobody wanted. Spencer was saying a bunch of weird shit and the end result was convoluted and reeked of editorial meddling to mitigate damage. Ultimately HydraCap should've been a double that took Steve's spot instead of completely replacing him. We already had plenty of corrupted heroes around that time with Superior Spider-Man and Axis. Would've spared a lot of headaches and didn't require last minute changes.
Because he wasn't very engaging or interesting.