Why do I have to go to the gym 5x a week, do 12 sets of heavy compounds minimum in the 4-6 rep range every time I go to the gym, attempt to PR every single workout, sleep 8 hours a day, and eat a calorie restricted diet that's ~40% protein to get a girl to want to have sex with me while the girls I want to have sex with (not counting gym girls) just don't get fat (and honestly, not even that if it goes to the right places) and be born?
Has anyone ever thought about this? I'm not mad or whining or anything, I'm just curious. Like I have to work so hard to get women to want to frick me and women don't
You don't, and most men don't.
But if I don't and she's hot and has options and we're not committed (married, and not even that really), she'll cheat on me with a guy who does those things.
Here's the harsh truth to people still obsessing over getting a gf over the age of 18.
You. Will. Not. Make. It.
If you haven't found out how to get a gf on your own, you were not built to have a gf. Normal people don't need to do mental excercises and self improvement to get laid. They just fall into it. Most people have a domino effect that starts early in life:
>be normal toddler
>play in pen with other toddlers, learn to share and communicate
>be kid
>other kids like you because you learned to communicate in playpen
>make friends, don't get bullied because of it, develop social skills
>middle school starts
>not bullied because you have friends, develop more social skills, possibly get gf
>high school starts
>not bullied because you have friends, develop shitton of social skills, definitely get gf
>college starts
>use developed social skills (while still learning more) to find new friends immediately
>social connections invite you to events, 110% will get gf
This is the dialogue path that MOST men follow. Only ~30% of dudes are unfortunate enough to fall outside of it.
If you were outside of this, you are already late to the party. You should just focus on other stuff in your life and be happy you dont have debilitating disease.
Frick off loser. Life is a giant skill test. Some people due to upbringing have propensity in certain skills, but skills can be learned and practiced. Even if my upbringing wasn't the best, God forbid let that stop me or use that as an excuse to give up. If I get enough skills being social, fit, etc... and talking to girls/flirting, I will get what I want because that's how the world works. People aren't born being good at stuff. They work at it day after day after day, year after year, whether consciously or not.
You're coping hard over your own inferiority. It's okay. We don't get to choose the genetics dice roll, we just make the nest with what we have.
But that also means coming to terms with harsh truths.
No, you're coping because you're a lazy demotivated frick. I have two hands, to legs, two eyes, a brain, I live in America, and God is is my Father.
I've faced many obstacles, but I overcome them all. The Lord willing, I'll do it again.
I could technically get a GF (a 4). But I don't want single moms who throw themselves at me. I want the pick of the litter. I want 18 year olds in their prime to leave their boyfriends to frick me. I want my "sexual harrasment" to be considered flirting (the only difference between the two is how attractive she finds you). I've had this desire prety much all of my adult life and that fire still burns within me everyday. If I can't get that, I'd rather lay down and die like a dog. But I don't want to die, so my only real option is to work towards it. No matter how long it takes, no matter how many obstacles and setbacks come my way, that is my goal.
I don't want to fornicate, but I want to have the ability to. In reality, I want a wife (virgin) that doesn't give me starfish duty sex.
I hate demoralizers, but I also hate people who are delusion just as much.
>I want the pick of the litter. I want 18 year olds in their prime to leave their boyfriends to frick me.
Stop lifting and focus on becoming rich and famous. Look at brad pitt. He's fat and old yet he dumps a girl when she turns 25 then gets a new one.
I've had teenagers into me before, I can do it again.
DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CAN'T DO
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High fricking energy
post body phaggot
No, I'm cutting.
ngmi
Most adults are overweight if not fat yet they have sex and form relationships.
You homosexuals think working out will lead to pussy. It can, but if you can't talk flirt, or escalate with women than you won't make it.
I agree with 40% of this. It's true normies have no issues forming relationships. If you went into your 20s or higher without ever connecting with anyone then you are gonna have a really hard time getting a gf.
However it's not over. People were disgusted with my mere sight in high school and college, now I don't have an issue with girls other than my own mental inhibition. Hell i fricked up with a girl a few weeks ago and now I have a date with a different woman tomorrow.
As long as you can make yourself attractive to women that's all that matters. Lifting will help, but it's not the end all be all. Social skills are a must. Women get turned off hella easy unless they're in love with you.
Meh that's pretty bullshit, I was a super shy kid because my parents were very rough on me. I did have a few friends but my friend group was not the popular kids so we just went off and did our own thing, was a group of 5 guys and we never really spoke to girls.
No middle school since here it goes to grade 8 and then to high school.
I also went to an all boy high school so again, I never really spoke to women at all during this period of my life. Never bullied though because I wasn't weak.
College is where I interacted with girls, for the first time and it's honestly as simple as surrounding yourself with women. I chose a cutest girl in my first class and I sat beside her and she ended up being my GF for 2 years. Then when I was single I got laid a few times and even had a FWB for the rest of my college term. Never went to parties, never did anything social... simply interacted with the women in my classes.
I'm 25 now and I still meet women. If I go out with co-workers for drinks I'll have the chance to talk to women, I play co-ed soccer where I met another more recent FWB and honestly I have never tried tinder but I can only imagine how easy it would be to get laid just using that.
OH vacations are a hidden gem if you have social skills and you want to get laid. Meeting women on the resort is super fricking easy, especially because if you go to like an adult resort they have a lot of activities and shit for everyone to do.
so no you are completely wrong, it's never too late to meet women and get laid. To the men who are older and haven't gotten laid you have to be around women, I'm sorry but simply staying home all the time will not get you laid. You have to go out and interact with them.
>College is where I interacted with girls, for the first time and it's honestly as simple as surrounding yourself with women
... if you're attractive 7+ male.
I think I'm okay looking but by IST standards I'm trash. Back then I was:
5'7
160ish lbs
No muscles
Broke
So back then I was just another average short dude, my gf was the same height as me actually. Having a stable job has gotten me the most pussy though, when you tell woman what you do they just act differently if it's something that's not shitty. At least once you're out of college.
no friends and no social skills past middle school here
turned 14, had a ffm threesome, got a gf a little later, and everything else since then has been fine
this guy is right
lol, bullshit, I turned it all around in my late 20s. My extended family that I regularly see once a year didn't recognize me at first after a year of changing my entire outlook on life as well as eating better and caring about my aesthetics as well as how I behaved socially (more confident)
Based. It's always these losers that project their loserdom on other people. If you're still breathing, there's still a chance. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
I want to pick her up and ____ her standing. If there really are better things for raw sexual attraction (I'm aware women will frick you if you have money and status for social reasons, but I want women to frick me because they sexually desire me), then Lord willing I will find it out. Until then..TOMORROW IS BACK DAY
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Is 25 too late if you've never had interest before from women?
Depends what you mean by too late. I had some attention from women throughout my life, but usually from ones I considered beneath me, or that I wasn't able to get the courage to go after. I was 27 when I went on my first date, and I lost my virginity to that same girl. That was more of a a right place at the right time situation though. I can't really see myself replicating it, and I am as alone as ever 5 months later. Maybe I'll get to have a few more experiences like that, but for the most part I am too socially inept and anxiety ridden to function in most contexts that could lead to having friends and relationships. I thought dropping weight would help, but I have gone from obese to 23 bmi and I honestly feel worse than ever mentally. I'm not normal and the world doesn't want me. You can probably do better than me though.
>I was 27 when I went on my first date, and I lost my virginity to that same girl. That was more of a a right place at the right time situation though. I can't really see myself replicating it, and I am as alone as ever 5 months later.
Well, where and how did you meet her?
I got laid before I ever set foot inside a gym. Lost virginity at 19 and didn't start working out until 21.
You don't, just stop eating junk, stop overeating, do some cardio and workout 2 days a week, that's really enough. The problem is your shitty lifestyle which means you have to overcompensate in the gym.
Losers are worried about getting laid. Why do you want to engage in such degenerate behavior?
>going to the gym
>to get laid
???
Who told you that?
There is no correlation.
Besides lifting and being jacked and intimidating is better than sex.
frick all the demoralizers
here you go c**ts:
https://understandingrelationships.com/
don't listen to these normie crab bucket demoralization homosexuals in the thread, when i was low bodyfat i got milf and teen attention, still a virgin but the mires were enough to keep me motivated. they act like we're so autistic that you were born with the skill to pick up women. just dont listen to these homosexuals, climb your own ladder and you WILL make it. you can pick up a guitar at any age like 30 and become pro just like you can with women.
You don't have to, getting in shape is just one of the many ways to get status and girls. Most men are in terrible shape and they get laid, they just go out and meet girls in various social contexts.
This place has fried your brain, stop being terminally online.
Women are born with inherent value. They can gain or lose value over time through their choices and through aging in general but they'll always have some value because they control sex, baby making, and the initial choosing of a partner. Again though, can still gain or lose value like vidrel shows
No fricking way. Is she the same person???
>lifting for girls
There are a million things that have a better ROI than lifting if girls are all you care about
Like what? I already go clubbing
Wait wait wait. You got this all wrong. You workout to improve the sex life you would already have otherwise. Working out will give you stamina and the strength to reposition the girl without losing your stride. It does help with attracting a woman but less than most think. It will make you look better both naked and when clothed. It also helps you to make a woman jealous for you which has aphrodisiac effects because they are so insecure and emotional. If your gf sees another woman touch your chest, arms, etc she will leverage her intimacy with you to relieve her own anxiety. This will temporarily decrease her sexual inhibitions with you. You can then tease her and push her even further if you understand that she is in an insecure state of mind. This is a good time to get her to crawl, dance, and basically put on a performance for you. Don't soothe her or offer any form of reassurance and don't acknowledge any behavioral change. You can cuddle and reassure her the next morning.
Women have much, much more to lose from having sex than men
That's the only reason
I believe that. But the reality is that there are attractive girls, who despite this reality will still frick guys who try because the guys are just so attractive they can barely help themselves. I want to be one of those guys. I don't think I'll be able to live with myself if I'm not one of those guys. I will probably go to bed every night in tears if I'm not one of those guys.
Wanting to get laid and be attractive is very normal. Wanting to die if you can't be a sex god that women will throw themselves at is mentally ill. Seek professional help.
If you just wanna frick, lower your standards. You will get laid.
>If you just wanna frick, lower your standards.
I refuse. I'd rather die a virgin and alone than lower my standards. My resolve has given me much pain, but I can work daily on my goals to alleviate that pain and come closer to my desire. The day I frick a 4 because she's easy is the day I cease to be able to look myself in the mirror.
Cuz u werent born with a chad jawline
Going to skip over reading the piles of copium and seething above.
The largest factors in attractiveness as a man are upper body strength, height, humor, confidence, income, and facial symmetry. These arent in order, and being above average at some of them vs being below average isnt a symmetrical effect
For example if you're obese about 70% of women will no longer consider you an option, but being at a healthy weight is not sufficient to make all women consider you.
There are LOTS of studies out there that show how to convert each of these metrics to other ones (f.x height is worth about 15k~ in annual income per inch for long term relationships with women over 25) etc. if you care to be autistic about it. Otherwise just improve yourself and the love will flow.
Because you are using fitness as a coping mechanism for your lack of social skills.
Here's the sex equation:
A*B=C
A = Number of new girls you meet who are sexually available (single, or taken but looking to cheat/leave their current man).
B = Chance they will want to frick you.
C = How often you get laid.
If you have zero social skills then your A score will be close to zero, and your B score will be harmed by being socially awkward with the girls you talk to.
For socially anxious NEET-style shut ins, the A score could be like 1 new girl a month or less. That's almost nobody.
Whereas for Chad-lite extroverts, it could be 5 new girls every Friday night at the bar.
If your body is hideous then your B score will be lower. But there is more to raising your B score than just your body. There's also your social skills, and your dress. Social skills + appearance is probably *as* important as looks when meeting girls in person. But on dating apps, looks will be more important.
Right now you are lifting harder and harder to try to inch your B score up, with the hopes that the 1 new girl a month will be 2% more likely to be attracted to you, because your biceps got 1/4 inch bigger this month.
But what you really need to do is upgrade your A score. If you take your social life from meeting 1 new girl per month to meeting 5 new girls every Friday night (by going to a bar and talking to people, or doing whatever else you can think of, then you have just increased your % chance to get laid by 20x. And it didn't require hard physical work like lifting, it just required psychological work like getting comfortable with starting conversations with random girls outside.
This is a kinda good but also a kinda bad way to think about it. Working on your social skills is key, but the way you explain it/think about it reeks of autism.
By seeing girls as just a chance to get laid, that will give them the ick. You have to up your game and actually make them laugh, feel special etc. Sometimes that may seem corny but that's what they like.
Some female friends have told me about guys they met who they found really hot, but he made them feel uncomfortable and awkward when chatting etc. I guess that's the ick?
You don’t HAVE to do this, but why wouldn’t you want to be as attractive as possible? Being attractive as a dude doesn’t actually get you laid it just gets your feet in more doors.
However it also gets your feet in more doors in all aspects of your life. People will respect you more, listen to you more intently and take you more seriously. And in turn you will naturally become more confident, which feeds into getting laid.
Life is unfair, genetics determine a lot, but at the end of the day what the frick are you going to do about it? Being a b***h about it won’t improve the situation at all.
because you're not a women
The world's population keeps growing and most of them don't lift.
Every guy I see walking with a girl looks like they don't work out. All my friends are married and never set foot in a gym in their entire lives.
Meanwhile I have a herniated disc, rotary cuff injury, a minor torn TFCC and no girlfriend.
I lift for asian couples.