Why do men roid when the peak female gaze physique is well within the natural limit?

Why do men roid when the peak female gaze physique is well within the natural limit?

Picrel is an ig model named Leosaros with over 1 million followers and majority are females thirsting for him. He's likely 6ft and under 150 lbs

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's either not 6' or not 150lbs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed. He'd weigh at least 180-190

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Roiding would still allow you to attain that physique with considerably less effort and time

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, at the downside of health/diminished facial aesthetics/skin quality. There are no free meals.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol keep thinking the world is fair brah

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're going to learn it's not

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        roid health effects only manifest after repeated long term use. If you go on cycle to get the muscle mass of OP and then come off and keep lifting natty from then on you will be 100% healthy

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          doesnt work like that retard
          you gradually lose everything you gained on roids

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Point is null.
            You gradually lose everything over time.t

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Pretending to not see the difference only makes you look dumb, tard.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I love how natties basically defend roiders by implying that if the roiders simply stop they’ll become natural again at some point lmao.

            Like I could blast hard as fuck for 2 years then come off then after 2,4, or however many years ill become natural again because “you gradually lose everything you gained on roids”. As if being permanently enhanced from a single cycle isn’t well known at this point

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              i literally know tens and tens of people that stopped roiding and they look worse than natties

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i literally know tens and tens of people that stopped roiding and they look worse than natties
                >I know 100+ people who roided and I know their training, diet and if they actually still give a fuck about working out
                If you know that many roiders you must know hundreds and hundreds of natties you stupid lying moron. You “know” 50 people at max in your entire life

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                holy cope, most of the athletes US and UK are doing cycles of gear - some of them being caught

                notable example - Tyson Fury for Nandralone (unified world heavyweight boxing champion)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >doesnt work like that retard
            it does lmoo
            >you gradually lose everything you gained on roids
            You don't, on roids you quickly develop muscle tissue at an acceleerated rate and go beyond the natty limit permanently. Using roids for extended periods causes an increase in muscle cells and further increase in muscle cell nuclei (brains), this is the shit that retains mass for teh most part, and since you've gotten to this maximum before, your body retains it in muscle memory so you can go back there. There is however a limit to how big you can get wirhout increased test, and although mass increase (more muscle) creates a postitive ffeedback loop where you produce more test to compensate for the increased test receptors, there is a limit. However the benefits from roiding are forever, and you can see this on peopel who cycle off for good and stay off, they have permanently bigger delts, traps and muscle mass as long as they keep lifting.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              it literally doesnt its not up for a debate. every single roider i know that stopped looks completely natty, even worse than what they looked before they started

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it literally doesnt its not up for a debate.
                It literally does and it's not up for debate, there's tons of research papers on this, what kind of loser fearmongers about roids 24/7 on a fitness board without lifting themselves. It's not like this is SARMS, test is one of the most researched drugs there is and you have literally zero clue what you're talking about.
                >every single roider i know that stopped looks completely natty, even worse than what they looked before they started
                that's cute honey, maybe stop hanging out with losers who don't lift

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol the additional nuclei fused into the muscle cells do not disappear and will forever effect your ability to retain, or regain a higher amount of muscle. The ability of muscle cells to gain additional nuclei almost flatlines after puberty so if you want to put on more than 15-20% of the lean mass you had coming out of puberty you probably have to juice. That's a lot of mass but still it's not enough for some people and especially for some areas like chest. What is a huge bitch though is cutting without gear you will never want to cut without gear again because of how much easier it is and how much better the results are.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >bla bla bla
          bro, people react differently to steroids. Some will go through many cycles and be ok and others get FUCKED right away on their first cycle even if they do it "right". Futhermore, why would you roid - i.e., fuck your health - just to get fit for a year and then stop? If you get into it, it's safe to say that you will be on it for at least 5 years. That is enough for anyone's skin - and more - start to show detrimental effects

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's all bullshit. If you don't breakout roids do nothing to mess with your skin. Hgh is going to change your face not roids. And yeah it's potentially negative, but so is a container of fries a day

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you must either roid or eat bad food.
          Okay babydicklol

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post body dyel

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ? Testosterone litterally makes your face more masculine/good looking (stronger checkbones/jawline etc)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/OYQJrM9.jpg

      If you get as big as Jeff Seid, you will start to no longer attract females but Indian men.

      People on this board need to understand that whether or not they are aware of it, the only thing bodybuilding and lifting--- ESPECIALLY roiding---- achieves is to transform your body into eyecandy for gay guys. Gays are LITERALLY the only group that find it attractive when you progress beyond OP picrel, and they are the only ones who are looking at you when you have that, and are the only ones who will approach you because they assume you're signposting your own gayness by being giant and jacked and wearing tiny shorts to show off your quads. Women genuinely don't care about how built you are past ottermode like OP pic... this has been true ever since the 80s ended and hulked-out action heroes went wildly out of fashion in male standards of beauty, and it has never been more true than today when tiktok androgynous skelly-mode dudes can get more pussy than you just for doing the right meme dances and having a popular account where they dress like a cat/maid

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can confirm, roiding only made it easier to attract twinks with father issues.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          People on this board need to understand that whether or not they are aware of it, the only thing bodybuilding and lifting--- ESPECIALLY roiding---- achieves is to transform your body into eyecandy for gay guys. Gays are LITERALLY the only group that find it attractive when you progress beyond OP picrel, and they are the only ones who are looking at you when you have that, and are the only ones who will approach you because they assume you're signposting your own gayness by being giant and jacked and wearing tiny shorts to show off your quads. Women genuinely don't care about how built you are past ottermode like OP pic... this has been true ever since the 80s ended and hulked-out action heroes went wildly out of fashion in male standards of beauty, and it has never been more true than today when tiktok androgynous skelly-mode dudes can get more pussy than you just for doing the right meme dances and having a popular account where they dress like a cat/maid

          100% about the daddy issues. having a "daddy" is a big part of a certain section of gay culture and I have friends who live that lifestyle. They date dudes in their 50s and 60s who are clearly bursting at the seams with tren

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What's really gonna perm your wig is when the midlife crisis hits and the stretch marks on your roidgut are no longer hidden by your greasy body hair and you realize that you're still only hooking up while all those twinks have resolved their daddy issues and now have husbands and fulfilling home lives but you're here bragging about baggin' bussy while you were in college and dreading going in to do inventory in the walk-in all night.

          [...]
          100% about the daddy issues. having a "daddy" is a big part of a certain section of gay culture and I have friends who live that lifestyle. They date dudes in their 50s and 60s who are clearly bursting at the seams with tren

          Guess how we can tell that you don't know anything about gay culture except what you see in porn.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. My co-worker is gay as fuck and he goes for the most muscular man there is.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this has been true ever since the 80s ended and hulked-out action heroes went wildly out of fashion in male standards of beauty
        modern women think Chirs evans, Hemsworth, and Mamoa are top tier and "otter mode" and all of them use roids, even if it's only a minor cycle. More muscle is always better up until you get far past the natty limit, if you hit Arnie you've gone too far, if you go past Michael Bhean then you're fine.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        this is complete bullshit. I have a 500+ pound squat and women mire my ass and legs.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your body is only for gay men and your squat is only to ensure that your peach bottom is as perfect, round, and tight as possible for their viewing pleasure. Women don't care, make peace with being gay eyecandy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Incorrect.
        Here are women’s average ratings for each male body type in terms of sexual attractiveness (on a scale of 1 to 9):

        Built: 6.97

        Toned: 6.87

        Brawny: 6.37

        Slender: 5.42

        Typical: 4.28

        Chubby: 2.95

        In a separate study, women reported that their short-term sexual partners were more muscular than their other partners. The researchers suggest women have fewer requirements for muscular men.

        They write, “women were more willing to have short-term relations with muscular men without the requirement that they demonstrate characteristics particularly desired in long-term mates (trustworthiness, emotional closeness, etc.), possibly because these men possessed physical indicators of genetic fitness.”

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/after-service/201907/5-reasons-why-muscles-matter-women-and-men

        http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/webdocs/frederick%20and%20haselton%20pspb%202007.pdf

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          wrong. I have spent countless hours reading dozens of high quality longitudinal studies about this matter that say that you are actually a gay who's only built for servicing and pleasuring men, and for their viewing pleasure. They've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do squats and deadlifts so that your peach bottom is extra perfect and tight for all the gays looking for a big daddy. Unfortunately women prefer a guy who is attractive enough and actually has a personality and good communication skills. Enjoy!

          nice argument, senator, but where is your source?

          >accelerates cellular division and activity in many tissues and organs (bad)
          >shortens telomeres (bad)
          >heightens risk of cancer (bad)
          >causes massive strain on heart by raising blood pressure by increasing red blood cell count and causing abnormal left ventricle morphology (bad + bye bye zyzz)
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33503312/
          Lmao literally just google "testosterone lifespan pubmed"

          >this has been true ever since the 80s ended and hulked-out action heroes went wildly out of fashion in male standards of beauty
          modern women think Chirs evans, Hemsworth, and Mamoa are top tier and "otter mode" and all of them use roids, even if it's only a minor cycle. More muscle is always better up until you get far past the natty limit, if you hit Arnie you've gone too far, if you go past Michael Bhean then you're fine.

          >"modern women"
          you literally just made up millions of women in your head and gave them your opinion. you are just looking at their pretty faces and washboard abs and thinking, "this is what women like"

          I noticed this too, I would always make fun of the terminally roided like the MPMD guy who everyone agrees looks fucking withered and ugly.
          But I'm a hair away from pulling the trigger on roids now that I have a source. I'm 22 and lifted for just over a year, saw solid progress but I'm still quite skinny. 6'0" 152lb. Like yeah I could stay natty and get aesthetic in a few years or just take the needle and get that down to the months range.
          And why wait? I'm probably going back to Uni in the spring after taking a trip to the proverbial bottom in my life. I would see dudes like OP's all the time on campus. I'm thinking to myself, why don't I just join them? Rather than be some dude with a less impressive physique but can cope with an imaginary natty card. I don't want to become some massive freak like Seid, just a fake natty like OP. How bad can 12 weeks on Test E and Var actually fuck me up? I think hardly at all, and I'll reap the benefits for a long time.

          roids are no replacement for mastering form and pushing your psychological boundaries and your sense of what is "heavy" weight. If you have shit form, shit diet, shit lifts, etc, roids won't give you much that sticks. You won't get much lasting effects from roids if you don't have that development and discipline under you belt... and also you won't really keep many gains unless you're committed to cycling for the rest of your life. They go away fast when you stop. I highly recommend at least approaching your natty limit before you play around with AAS. Give it another few years; you're young, your test is high.

          Healthwise, it can fuck you up. If you take var, prepare to royally fuck your liver if you have even a sip of alcohol, and you will need to be on massive liver support supplements like TUDCA and NAC

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >wrong. I have spent countless hours reading dozens of high quality longitudinal studies about this matter that say that you are actually a gay who's only built for servicing and pleasuring men, and for their viewing pleasure.
            Fine, just ignore anything you that doesn't support your pre-existing opinion, like some NPR/MSNBC pussy

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              ok, you wanna know why I'm ignoring you? Because you posted an article citing research performed in the early to mid 90s, early 2000s at the latest. it's describing the opinions of people who may as well be informing the researchers what the best fashion and clothing is, in their opinion. "research" asking women about things like muscularity which are tastes that change year to year, and which anyone with even half a brain KNOWS has changed since the 90s-00s. It doesn't matter if these studies were dead-on in describing the tastes of the times, all of that has changed and the achilles heel of STEMtards like you who don't have any social skills and fetishize empirical research as the fountain of all understanding is that you think studies on social forces offer perennial, universal answers rather than answers that are high situated in their particular context and time

              How many women did they sample for these opinions? From where? If they sampled 10 women from NYC or 10 women from bumfuck Ohio, you would get radically different answers BECAUSE IT'S ALL FUCKING TASTE THAT CHANGES WITH TIME AND PLACE. They don't describe their methods, the construction of the study. I don't even think you're serious about the shit you included in your post because it's the flimsiest fucking argument I've ever seen on this stupid board. And also, my previous post stands: you're a gay and you work out because you want gays to eat your peach

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                DYEL

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >In a separate study, women reported that their short-term sexual partners were more muscular than their other partners
          More msclar than other partners doesn't mean a roid mode you retard, that guy in the OP is 10 times more mor muscular than the average guy on the street.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >More msclar than other partners doesn't mean a roid mode you retard, that guy in the OP is 10 times more mor muscular than the average guy on the street.
            No one said roid mode. It said "built." Stop moving goalposts. I'm on team "toned," anyway.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And who cares about studies again? Has Corona taught you nothing?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the famous skeptics who agree with all the science that agrees with them and disagree with all the science that doesnt

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its not a "study" genius. The literally surveyed a ton of women. Come back when you've surveyed more.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        good, i do want to attract gay men

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There you go then

          I noticed this too, I would always make fun of the terminally roided like the MPMD guy who everyone agrees looks fucking withered and ugly.
          But I'm a hair away from pulling the trigger on roids now that I have a source. I'm 22 and lifted for just over a year, saw solid progress but I'm still quite skinny. 6'0" 152lb. Like yeah I could stay natty and get aesthetic in a few years or just take the needle and get that down to the months range.
          And why wait? I'm probably going back to Uni in the spring after taking a trip to the proverbial bottom in my life. I would see dudes like OP's all the time on campus. I'm thinking to myself, why don't I just join them? Rather than be some dude with a less impressive physique but can cope with an imaginary natty card. I don't want to become some massive freak like Seid, just a fake natty like OP. How bad can 12 weeks on Test E and Var actually fuck me up? I think hardly at all, and I'll reap the benefits for a long time.

          to expand on

          wrong. I have spent countless hours reading dozens of high quality longitudinal studies about this matter that say that you are actually a gay who's only built for servicing and pleasuring men, and for their viewing pleasure. They've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do squats and deadlifts so that your peach bottom is extra perfect and tight for all the gays looking for a big daddy. Unfortunately women prefer a guy who is attractive enough and actually has a personality and good communication skills. Enjoy!

          [...]
          >accelerates cellular division and activity in many tissues and organs (bad)
          >shortens telomeres (bad)
          >heightens risk of cancer (bad)
          >causes massive strain on heart by raising blood pressure by increasing red blood cell count and causing abnormal left ventricle morphology (bad + bye bye zyzz)
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33503312/
          Lmao literally just google "testosterone lifespan pubmed"

          [...]
          >"modern women"
          you literally just made up millions of women in your head and gave them your opinion. you are just looking at their pretty faces and washboard abs and thinking, "this is what women like"
          [...]
          roids are no replacement for mastering form and pushing your psychological boundaries and your sense of what is "heavy" weight. If you have shit form, shit diet, shit lifts, etc, roids won't give you much that sticks. You won't get much lasting effects from roids if you don't have that development and discipline under you belt... and also you won't really keep many gains unless you're committed to cycling for the rest of your life. They go away fast when you stop. I highly recommend at least approaching your natty limit before you play around with AAS. Give it another few years; you're young, your test is high.

          Healthwise, it can fuck you up. If you take var, prepare to royally fuck your liver if you have even a sip of alcohol, and you will need to be on massive liver support supplements like TUDCA and NAC

          , anavar fucks your liver and can literally cause liver failure, and roids are completely unnecessary when you're young. As a young guy your test levels are still very high and if you exercise properly they can take you very far... there's no point handing in the natty card and making all the health tradeoffs and problems of using AAS if you're not already performing at 100% peak form and capacity when you start cycling--- you will see a little boost from test, but nothing dramatic unless you know what you're doing in the gym, with your diet, and with your lift form. At your point it's a waste, my man.

          You also have to understand AAS shuts down your endogenous production of test and throws your HPTA axis way off balance, which is the delicate interplay of mutually-regulating hormones that include thyroid hormones, growth hormones, sex hormones, fertility hormones etc. Even if you "restart it" through PCT after your cycle, it is never quite the same and it's just not a good idea to shut it down in that way and fuck it up until you are already losing your test levels in your 30s, and possibly never. And you say there will be benefits for a long time--- that's not correct. you have to keep cycling indefinitely if you want those gains to stay. They go away if you cycle off and stay off, because they rely on supraphysiological levels of test/androgens to occur in the first place. And this creates a vicious cycle where you don't want to keep using but you also don't want to lose your gains, so you keep using and all the side effects and health problems compound and get worse

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Those are all the reasons I've been staying natty.
            Problem is: I want to look and feel like the guy in OP's pic. I've felt like it before because I'm lean and get exercise endorphins and I don't have a completely ugly face, but then I come back down to reality and I don't feel good enough. I figure if I fill out some t-shirt sleeves and get a solid 6-pack while lean I'll feel good enough.
            That's how that works right?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Breh I've been working out for 15 years, natty for most of it, did 2 cycles of Test plus other cycles of GH secretagogues + SARMS, and I am at my natty limit as we speak. That feeling you're describing never goes away. You will always feel great and on top of the world when you have a pump on and then it goes away. But that's just what keeps you going back to the gym, it's not a good reason to fuck your shit up. I also still don't view myself as very big but every one of my friends and people I've dated say I'm built like a linebacker. You will have to realize that other people don't see you the way you see yourself. For most people, especially women, what you think looks like a deflated and unimpressive build is ripped and attractive to them.

              Look--- having done natty, then using PEDs, and returning to natty (so to speak), I don't think it's worth it at all. I would kill to have the full thickness of my hair that I used to, and not have my face as hollowed out or have gotten prostate problems at like age 30 (i did). And none of what I achieved on AAS has stuck with me to this day, despite extreme discipline with pushing myself and being in the gym as many days as possible for all this time

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          fucking gay

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        marvel superheros completely blow this theory out of the water, i will not be reading past the first sentence

        i personally remember an entire class of females (psychology class) absolutely creaming themselves talking about captain americas ass in endgame

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          watching capeshit is onions even for women

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what if u go to prison tho? those skelly dudes are gonna have to pop those bussies err day. if u jacked then u can defend ur bussy against da rapist broz in da joint u feel me dawg

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        women have this retarded cope about not wanting a guy who's "too big" until they're actually with one, then it's a constant turn on especially if there's any sort of commitment involved - otherwise it just drives insecurity, so they say they don't like it as sour grapes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah women love hulking roid apes. thats why all their likes and comments come from men while 'pretty boys' on tiktok who weigh 130lbs have women begging to fuck them

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Implying that Chris Hemsworth exists for the 6% of the population that is gay male? Somehow, I don't think they're making that much money off those movies if they're only selling to 6% of the population.

        It also wouldn't explain how the MCU has so dominated popular culture for a decade, if only 6% of the population were into them. I guess there's Scarlet Johansen, but, like.... come on.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is something taking you effort and time a problem though?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you get as big as Jeff Seid, you will start to no longer attract females but Indian men.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      whats his ig?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      kek, this. when you're really giant and cut, only dudes will mire. girls get scared unironically

      the natty limit is still well under the "scary" range and girls will mire hard. another reason to stay nat-tee

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >girls get scared unironically
        Hmm

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I see no difference. Left one just cuter

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >get swol
      >Sir! Teach me the bicep sir!
      You morons LIED TO ME
      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      jeff is as bt 5-7 pounds heavier on the upper body
      it's about the face and proportions
      jeff looks like a wide ogre while the nord kid looks like a cw show character

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I see and know dozens of people at the gym of the people I know
    0 look like that
    Of the people I see maybe 1/20 does look similar or better
    So thats a top 5% body for gym goers and a top 1% body for the general population

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >top 1% body for the general population
      You are the stupidest poster I have seen in a long time

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's right you know

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a top 1% body for the general population
      it's even rarer than that
      i'd say 0.0001% - so out of a population of 100 million, of which 50 million are men, only about 5,000 get close to pic rel

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      More like top 0.01%, dude has perfect S and symmetry

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're fucking retarded and a manlet. If that's 6' he's 180lbs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you have wide shoulders and a thin waist frame, you generally look heavier than you are.

      guy is roiding. Like he could achieve that physique naturally, with like 5 years of good training, but that guy definitely didn't do it.

      >implying this guy isnt on roids

      First time on the internet?

      The dude is tiny. If he is/isn't is irrelevant since it's within the natty limit and you are missing the point of what I'm saying entirely.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If you have wide shoulders and a thin waist frame, you generally look heavier than you are.
        You just have no idea how heavy tall people are. I'm 6'3" so I have a good idea.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You just have no idea how heavy tall people are. I'm 6'3" so I have a good idea.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Guy's right though. I'm somewhere between 6'4 and 6'5 (195 cm) and I'm at 95 kg right now and I barely look like I lift after 1 year of training and being somewhat lean. I could easily go up to 110 kg without looking too fat.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You're just fat.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                cope

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it's within the natty limit and you are missing the point of what I'm saying entirely
        The "natty limit" is different for different people and you are an utter dunce for using someone who is clearly juicing as an example of what is naturally achievable. You have no fucking clue about anything.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nah, mid 150s is believable. being 6', and have been lean like this. i wouldn't publicly disclose how light i was. but peoples guess was always a good 15lb over

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Alex Eubank is 5'10" 180ish. I can tell the guy in OP has some density too.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 6'2, skinny fat, and weight 185 lbs.
        If I dropped the fat, I would probably be 160 lbs and skeletal.
        If the guy in the OP is 6', I think he must be at least 165 lbs, but likely 175 lbs.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed 6'2 here and 170 was skelly on me. Not even skinny fat. Just skelly

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    guy is roiding. Like he could achieve that physique naturally, with like 5 years of good training, but that guy definitely didn't do it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fuck off will you
      5 years is not any magical time period
      that physique is 100% NEVER achievable by anyone in 5 years. NOBODY looks like that as a natural. They just dont

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        After years of /fit,its just funny to me
        >EVERYONE CAN LOOK LIKE THAT!
        Yet everyone goes to the gym and no one looks like that lmao even people that take it seriously,oh sorry maybe 1/50 and the few guys roiding lol.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >guy is roiding. Like he could achieve that physique naturally, with like 5 years of good training, but that guy definitely didn't do it.
      You can unironically achieve that body with less than 2 years on a bodybuilding routine, but for some fucking reason, every ISTizen is unironically expecting aesthetic gains on a fucking copeshitter routine.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >implying this guy isnt on roids

    First time on the internet?

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >likely 6ft and under 150 lbs
    Wrong, brainlet, you have no idea to estimate a physique, also this guy is pretty big and most dudes don't get this natty you dyel clown

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yuge, look at this super physiological amount of muscle mass. I was wrong for assuming this was within the natty limit, my bad bro.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        newfag, it's not the muscle mass that's impressive. it's the leanness

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          he is probably on carnivore or keto diet.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            idk, he actually looks healthy. i think he's just on roids

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have a similar leanness from a high metabolism, but also had eating anxiety so I didn't eat much

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            post body or stfu

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        he's vascular as fuck, and also really short. I thought maybe he was 5,9 but there's no way. Definitely roids with that kinda vascularity and shape, or he doesn't eat at all and angelfrauds/photoshop frauds.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The state of this board LOL

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            kek I'm sure you'll look like op with 2 years of hard work dyel

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm already bigger than that I'll cut when I get above 200lbs

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no timestamp
                >I'm already bigger than him!
                lol, this guy isn't bigger than the op picture, bigger than the other picture sure, but we're not looking at that.

                point is, he's bigger than natty in op pic, and probably roids, or he's using extreme angle frauding, one or the other statement is true. He could still be roiding at lower body weight due to his vascularity which is common with low bf roiders.

                I really don't get what you get out of being smug and wrong when it's obvious the point I'm trying to prove is correct.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            he's right the dude in OP is 5"7 at most

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lifting for or roiding for women is feminine as fuck when you think about it.
    >let me put in effort to attract the opposite sex
    it's literally like putting on makeup, that shit's for girls, not men

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/TaLmxwx.jpg

      fuck whemen, doing it for picrel.
      the bar is just higher now.

      Because it doesn't matter what women think.

      'm dating females, will be in relationship with females and will marry a female. So why would I not try to be attractive to females?

      You guys are like the male equivalent of feminist women that dresses thrumpy, dyes their hair, gets tats and a nose ring. Completely disregarding what the opposite sex actually likes/lusts for. I want to look attractive to my gf/future wife, not court approval from other men.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's a futile effort? You're not gonna get sex or a non-bimbo wife just because you're fit (Unless you're gay lmao).
        At the end of the day you either have charisma or don't. If you're seriously doing it for the opposite sex then you're just gonna end up a bitter gymcel

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You guys are like the male equivalent of feminist women that dresses thrumpy, dyes their hair, gets tats and a nose ring. Completely disregarding what the opposite sex actually likes/lusts for. I want to look attractive to my gf/future wife, not court approval from other men.
        This. Enough with the bullshit, you're either lifting to "Fight or Fuck" (in General Patton's words). I choose the latter.

        Anon you are right, hey are totally like frumpy feminists, trying to marginalize their evolutionary competition so they don't have to put in the work. Like the frumpy chicks, they will inevitably lose, and they know this.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You guys are like the male equivalent of feminist women that dresses thrumpy, dyes their hair, gets tats and a nose ring. Completely disregarding what the opposite sex actually likes/lusts for. I want to look attractive to my gf/future wife, not court approval from other men.
        This. Enough with the bullshit, you're either lifting to "Fight or Fuck" (in General Patton's words). I choose the latter.

        Anon you are right, hey are totally like frumpy feminists, trying to marginalize their evolutionary competition so they don't have to put in the work. Like the frumpy chicks, they will inevitably lose, and they know this.

        https://i.imgur.com/fnzsw4m.jpg

        Why do men roid when the peak female gaze physique is well within the natural limit?

        Picrel is an ig model named Leosaros with over 1 million followers and majority are females thirsting for him. He's likely 6ft and under 150 lbs

        I lift because I enjoy lifting. I enjoy the satisfying feeling of burning calves that make me look like a baby trying to walk for its first time; the triumph of moving a large amount of weight over my head, locking out, and imagining myself atop a mountain, having conquered the world; inventing silly-looking lifts that challenge the body and mind to perfect; feeling like my muscles and veins want to rip out of my skin—the infamous "pump", which Arnold has described so perfectly.
        I don't lift to fuck. I don't lift to fight. What a stupid theory.
        I lift because it's my hobby.
        I also play a fuckload of instruments. Do you think I play to become an ultra-rich, mega-famous rockstar? That I play to get pussy? Or perhaps, and this may shatter your mind, is it that I play instruments because it is my passion? It brings me challenges and satisfactions physically, mentally, and spiritually.
        Same thing with lifting.
        People who can't get this through their skulls are shallow, narrow-minded fools.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          forgot pic

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I enjoy getting PRs too, but within the context of looking good, being athletic and building relative strength all of which aligns with health and attracting females.

          NOT getting stronger at the cost of anything else.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can make the same fallacy about anything else.
            Working a job? Sure you get money, but at the cost of what other pursuits? You could be getting stronger at mathematics, upping your endurance, traveling the world. And you know how many pussies you can sink your dick into while traveling the world? A literal billion.
            It's so narrow to focus only on gym => sex. It's stupid. Unbelievably retarded. Because you can make this stretch about anything a human could possibly do.
            Live the lift you seek to live. If pussy is your primary concern, then know that the pussy will come. Just stop aiming a laser at it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's not just as shallow as sex though.

              Being sexually attractive is conducive to both casual dating and long term rels. And you as a man know this, chances are you are going to be more forgiving of a girl's mistakes in a relationship if she is an 8/10 than if she were a 4. The halo effect is real.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Hahahahaha looney tunes still holds up

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              This is my favorite of all time

              This one’s a close second https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x0QeJ1zWDS8&feature=youtu.be

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't lift to fuck. I don't lift to fight. What a stupid theory.
          If you think its stupid you should check the last 100,000 years of human evolution. You enjoy "the satisfying feeling of burning calves" FOR A REASON. Something in you (100,000 years of evolved genes) is telling you lifting is good...because it maximizes your chances of survival and procreation of your genes.

          Your not- "shallow, narrow-minded" conscious brain can rationalize it anyway way it wants.

          Since you're such a genius and the rest of us are morons, you can enjoy this Scientific American article:
          https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasty-brutish-and-short-are-humans-dna-wired-to-kill/

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Scientific American
            Not clicking. I don't trust garden gnomes or Chinks, who dominate the American science propaganda industry. The former worship evil gods and forces who seek to imprison humanity; the latter are insectoids with human appearances.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I DONT TRUST SCIENCE CUZ IM RACIST
              yeah stay retarded

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The very basis of science is that it's built upon skepticism—not trust, aka faith. That's religion.
                That you would believe anything someone tells you just because they hold a piece of paper deeming them as Qualified Smart, granted to them by purveyors of subversion throughout their entire history, shows me that you're exactly the same as any other devoutly religious person or cultist.
                If you really appreciate science, you wouldn't ever utter the phrase, "TRUST THE SCIENCE!"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>I DON'T TRUST THE SCIENCE CUZ IM RACIST
                shit, dude. why did you have to make it sound cool. now I agree with him.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Truth here.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I started lifting weights this week for the first time in my life, and it completely eradicated my depression like nothing else ever has.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        And then there's me.
        I'm a manlet, I got messy hair, I wear gym clothing all the time, I got crooked teeth, I look like a hobo most of the time.
        And bitches still crave my average sized dick because apparently I'm cute and goofy, and they like to listen to me talk because I'm """"passionate"""".
        So while you waste your time to get a pity fuck out of a chick for playing dress up, I'm inviting chicks for vidya and movies and getting my dick wet just for being a funny dude.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It sounds like you're bragging about getting autistic 5's anon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >doing things to get women
      literally what every man does weather they know it or not, unless you want to date some fat chick you gotta have a good physique, style, grooming, money, gotta compete bud.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    fuck whemen, doing it for picrel.
    the bar is just higher now.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it doesn't matter what women think.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    those are some awfully developed delts.. that said, agree'd its within natty limit. under 150? i'd give him at least 150-160lb. knowing that stage lean naturals compete around mid 160's, he's not over 160 lb. as to why they roid, it's because just getting the gaze of women isn't sufficient, and doesn't fill the gaping void in their self esteem.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do men roid when the peak female gaze physique is well within the natural limit?

    Because bros are lazy fucks that don't want to control our diets. While his lack of body fat is extreme, I totally agree this is within natty limits. OP pic ngga didn't even do shit with his legs and hips. Aside from a ton of abs, chest, and some arm work, all this bro did was not eat Frito-Lay products and not drink Flavor of Month MicroStout. Completely attainable.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >peak female gaze physique
    Without the face then it's nearly meaningless for getting women.
    It's like a small flat bonus and mostly a multiplier for your attractiveness.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dickheads

    Women like him because of his hair , clothes, face and status

    His body is the icing on top of that

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He has like 5 years of pictures and he's always very lean in the face. Inconceivable that he'd ever bulk and put on fat - he 100% used roids to build that figure while keeping a model-ready face

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    but you can only look like this without pump and flexing when you roid.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Am I nuts or does this guy not even look that big? He’s obviously very lean which I guess would be hard to do but this doesn’t look hugely out of proportion at all. His delts are big I guess and he has a fairly large chest but they don’t look roid-sized to me at all.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i do it because of the health benefits

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based. When I'm a little older I'll have no problem using HCG/test

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not the anon you were responding to but same.
        As soon as my natural T drops i'm dropping the natty

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have those big boys in my yard and i feed them various meats from my hand.
      Bugs are moe as fuck.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, I probably have just a little bit less muscle than him, but my head looks so fucking big compared to my body... Yeah, I am a manlet (5'11), but he is not so much taller than me... What can I do? Why do some manlets are cursed with a big fucking head like me?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    im 155, 6 ft, lowbf and my muscles are a lot smaller then his

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can confirm I look like him but not gay and women love me.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    because you cannot maintain that leanness natty and you make easier gains on roids. what a stupid question

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    boys dont like hard work and dicipline, men do

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because there are men who are more concerned about being big and strong than appealing to the female gaze. Very uncomprihensible, I know

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    somehow you gays retards still don’t get
    >lifting for women
    after almost two decades

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muscle is the one language that everyone in the world understands. I am bi and I date both women and men. I am also gassed to the gills and have the physique to match. I have not noticed any difference in the levels of thirst between straight women and gay guys. Everyone loves a muscular body. Women can be a bit cagier, but the thirst becomes outrageous with the first drop of alcohol.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why roid?
    >post a roider in picrel
    Incredible. I hope this was a bait, for your own sake.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      /Thread

      You can get this physique natty but you can't maintain it all the time. You'd have to stay fatter day to day or lose the mass

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    STOP
    CARING
    WHAT
    WOMEN
    THINK

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ok

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this
      look at the women those dudes pull attention from
      stay away from that shit, if you wanna fuck instagram skanks the apps are full of them and they don't care how hard you work because they have zero standards anyway
      you are always doing their worthless ass a favor just by talking to them

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    5:1 odds he roids or has roided
    >Those lateral delts
    >That over developed jawline
    >Is lean but stays full all the time
    >Avoids the squat rack like it's that girl that crushed him into roiding

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just wanna be big

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't you nerds just tell me if I can look like him on 400mg test e and var

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      bro there is a very small window of time in which roiding makes you look good before it makes you start to age and look a lot older... and this is assuming you are doing it which you are in your 20s and not already past your prime. You have 1, maybe 2 cycles as a young guy where it makes you look really good--- this is while your skin is still youthfully elastic and soft, you have a full head of thick hair, your body isn't overgrown with body hair, your face is still youthful-looking and prettyboy-ish, and you are still a reasonable size. During this window, you can do those 1 or 2 cycles and it might improve your body and looks just like it did when you went through puberty.

      But after that window when you've done too much, the roids turn your skin harsh, rough, leathery, and oily, your pores get a lot bigger, you lose your hair or it thins at the least, you get a lot more body hair, you WILL get really big and thick past the point that girls like, and it makes your face age FAST--- you start to lose all the fat that fills in your eye sockets, lips, nose/mouth area, and cheeks but not in a good way, rather in a way that makes you start to look over 40, and again it makes your pores big because it hyperstimulates them to secrete a lot of sebum, your nose grows, and your skin does not regenerate nearly as well). I am gonna cut off all the anons who will jump on this saying that weight loss makes your face look good... there is losing weight around the jawline that makes it more defined, and then there is losing the filler fat in the areas I listed, and the latter makes you look very old.

      Just like roiding depletes the cushioning fat in your face that gives you a young or pretty look, it depletes similar subcutaneous fat around the body... but again not in a good way. OP picrel is a guy who still has that slight subcutaneous water/fat that makes the skin look soft, and when you do roids, it depletes that layer and makes you look markedly old

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [20 citations needed]

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          go for it man. Do two years of roids and report back to tell us none of this happened to you (it will)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I noticed this too, I would always make fun of the terminally roided like the MPMD guy who everyone agrees looks fucking withered and ugly.
        But I'm a hair away from pulling the trigger on roids now that I have a source. I'm 22 and lifted for just over a year, saw solid progress but I'm still quite skinny. 6'0" 152lb. Like yeah I could stay natty and get aesthetic in a few years or just take the needle and get that down to the months range.
        And why wait? I'm probably going back to Uni in the spring after taking a trip to the proverbial bottom in my life. I would see dudes like OP's all the time on campus. I'm thinking to myself, why don't I just join them? Rather than be some dude with a less impressive physique but can cope with an imaginary natty card. I don't want to become some massive freak like Seid, just a fake natty like OP. How bad can 12 weeks on Test E and Var actually fuck me up? I think hardly at all, and I'll reap the benefits for a long time.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're tiny and don't know anything about training or nutrition so you'll just squander your gains from roids like many before you

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Haha I doubt it, these substances were designed to give burn victims muscles back while they did nothing. You sound like a coping fellow natty, you realize dudes have jumped into this with far less experience than I and ended up with natty-limit and beyond physiques. Arnold jumped on gear at 15, Zyzz at what? 19 after a year of training?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              If you doubt it then take a look at the hall of shame pins on r/steroids or even our own local lolcows like Reddit Randy. Not saying you won't gain muscle but steroids aren't magic, I know lots of guys IRL who look natty and are on gear. Better to get out of DYEL territory before jumping on to maximize gains

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If you doubt it then take a look at the hall of shame pins on r/steroids or even our own local lolcows like Reddit Randy
                Randy looks top tier and the "redit hall of shame" are all retards who don't lift and didn't do minimal research. You're spooking him because you have no experience and are afraid to do it yourself. My brother and a close friend both do roids, one is now 50 and still muscular, but he's bloatmaxed because he's old as hell, zero health issues, looked young until his natty test droped off in his late 40s, the other is mid thirties and looks better than he ever did because he cycles right and doesn't overdo it.

                If you don't take that as evidence there's plenty of pro body buiders who got off and stayed decent well into their golden years, or stayed on and looked fine until they hit 60.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Randy looks top tier
                Fucking kek he doesn't even have abs
                >Afraid to do it yourself
                Maybe I will when I feel like I've hit the limit of my natty potential but I can be bigger leaner and stronger than I am now so don't see the point. Also I'm not saying you'll have health issues, I'm saying you self evidently know nothing about eating or training since you're 156lbs and that you're going to just waste your cycle. Comparing yourself to your dad's friend or whatever doesn't matter here and you aren't anything like a golden age bodybuilder

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe I will when I feel like I've hit the limit of my natty potential but I can be bigger leaner and stronger than I am now so don't see the point. Also I'm not saying you'll have health issues, I'm saying you self evidently know nothing about eating or training since you're 156lbs and that you're going to just waste your cycle. Comparing yourself to your dad's friend or whatever doesn't matter here and you aren't anything like a golden age bodybuilder
                >eord wwords words
                lmao okay kiddo post physique with timestamp now. You've barked all day now it's time to nut up mister "OMIGODROIDS ARE LITERALLY MURDER GUIZE" crybaby bullshit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hall of shame
                Interesting, you got a link? I can't seem to find it, I think it might've gotten hidden by reddit's new shitty layout
                But yeah you're right about learning about the mistakes of others and making sure you're ready before hopping on gear. That's why I'm here doing a shitton of research and eating enough/training hard regardless. Most of the steady gains I got were in the past few months, before that I was boomeranging mainly from a shit diet.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's on their wiki it has a few pins, this one is pretty good. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/uywmcq/cycle_report_1st_test_cycle_thoughts_opinions/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
                Even just looking at the progress thread though you see lots of really medicore results from people who started taking steroids too early. And it's good to do research but a lot about lifting is stuff you can only learn practically. As someone who started off skelly, learning how to eat a lot of food is something that comes from practical experience. Same with training which I didn't even really dial in till last year and I wasted a lot of time just winging stuff without following a proper program with progression, fatigue management etc built in. It's better to get a few years of training under your belt and atleast get out of skelly territory and maybe by then you won't feel the need to take drugs

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          wait a couple years and see where you are then. get a good grip on diet, lifting and all the components that make a fizeek

          honestly though you have 2 paths, the whitepilled natural hypertrophy path (good self body images, still happy with diminished returns), or the roider path (terrible dysmorphia, disgusted with people progressing faster)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      bro there is a very small window of time in which roiding makes you look good before it makes you start to age and look a lot older... and this is assuming you are doing it which you are in your 20s and not already past your prime. You have 1, maybe 2 cycles as a young guy where it makes you look really good--- this is while your skin is still youthfully elastic and soft, you have a full head of thick hair, your body isn't overgrown with body hair, your face is still youthful-looking and prettyboy-ish, and you are still a reasonable size. During this window, you can do those 1 or 2 cycles and it might improve your body and looks just like it did when you went through puberty.

      But after that window when you've done too much, the roids turn your skin harsh, rough, leathery, and oily, your pores get a lot bigger, you lose your hair or it thins at the least, you get a lot more body hair, you WILL get really big and thick past the point that girls like, and it makes your face age FAST--- you start to lose all the fat that fills in your eye sockets, lips, nose/mouth area, and cheeks but not in a good way, rather in a way that makes you start to look over 40, and again it makes your pores big because it hyperstimulates them to secrete a lot of sebum, your nose grows, and your skin does not regenerate nearly as well). I am gonna cut off all the anons who will jump on this saying that weight loss makes your face look good... there is losing weight around the jawline that makes it more defined, and then there is losing the filler fat in the areas I listed, and the latter makes you look very old.

      Just like roiding depletes the cushioning fat in your face that gives you a young or pretty look, it depletes similar subcutaneous fat around the body... but again not in a good way. OP picrel is a guy who still has that slight subcutaneous water/fat that makes the skin look soft, and when you do roids, it depletes that layer and makes you look markedly old

      tons of anons on here are under the mistaken impression that test is anti-aging and rejuvenating, but it is actually pro-aging at the cellular level as well as in the ways it affects your looks. It very much makes you age a lot faster aesthetically and biologically

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nice argument, senator, but where is your source?

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been lifting as a nattycuck for 10.5 half years, and I still don't look like that

    I either have shit genetics, or he takes roids

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >10.5 half years
      So, 5.25 years?
      retard fagoot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what do you do for chest?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        regular stuff, bench, incline, dips etc

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not training hard enough pussy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you look good for a natty

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      do the big 3, youre not squatting or DLinf, and maybe not BB bench

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You need better lighting and a better camera.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are letting yourself down with your leg size
      Doing legs isnt just purely for bigger legs. When you do legs you're distributing your weight around your body more evenly and that includes fat
      You would be a higher weight with lower bodyfat percentage. Your maintence calories would go up. Your stomach will hold less fat.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        big if true

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      natty limit unironically
      you look good better then 99% of cbt

      I bet the people claiming you could look like OPs picrel are guys with maybe one or two years under their belt still deluded by social media and roiding fraudsters

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’ve only been lifting regularly for a year and my legs are already twice the size of his. He mogs me for hypertrophy on everything else even being as lean as he is, but the legs need work.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You look good but good God you have to sort out those legs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i know this is a concealed post to generate compliments but i know a bunch of roiders who have dogshit proportions (big arms, deathstar dealts and nothing else). you unironically look far better then any roider who does 1 or 2 cycles

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Huh you dont look too shabby
      Difference between you and op pic is just small optimization here and there that adds up.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you look fine dude this is what natural looks.
      you hear so often beginners saying stuff like "achievable in 5 years" like 5 years is some elite time period that if you stick "FOR THAT LONG" you can literally look like a fake natty roider lol. but the truth is that's never how people look like in real life. ive been lifting for 10 years too and ive encountered thousands of lifters in person. NOBODY looks like a fake natty in real life despite lifting for 5-10 years.

      you just dont get that look without roids. and most people reach 90% of their potential after first year of lifting (assuming they lifted properly). it's an obvious tell-tale sign that someone is a beginner when they talk about these achievable in 3 years, x years etc. the biggest difference you see in 5-10 year lifters is mostly just conditioning, they hold on to that respectable muscle mass while staying leaner year round, looking good, muscle maturity, they have figured out their weak spots, focus on sculpting a balanced physique, putting more effort to stuff like calves, forearms etc.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're basically there. Just get a bit leaner, and go to a place with better lighting.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i train for a year and i look like that. train harder fag

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

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  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He could easliy pass as my less attractive twin lmao, i guess its due to the fact that were both german bvlls

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    he has textbook chad face features, perfect head/body proportions, blue eyes, he could have a normal body and he would still be where he is right now in terms of followers and bitches mirin him, are you fucking retarded Op?

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This isn't natural.Even roiding, this isn't possible at 150lbs at 6ft. He's 5'6 if that's true.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >He's likely 6ft and under 150 lbs

    Discredited yourself. Take your insulin.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I need to roid to look like this due to my shitty genetics.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do men roid when the peak female gaze physique is well within the natural limit?

    The sad answer is guys roid for other guys.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, men roid to be bigger/stronger than other men
      case in point

      I noticed this too, I would always make fun of the terminally roided like the MPMD guy who everyone agrees looks fucking withered and ugly.
      But I'm a hair away from pulling the trigger on roids now that I have a source. I'm 22 and lifted for just over a year, saw solid progress but I'm still quite skinny. 6'0" 152lb. Like yeah I could stay natty and get aesthetic in a few years or just take the needle and get that down to the months range.
      And why wait? I'm probably going back to Uni in the spring after taking a trip to the proverbial bottom in my life. I would see dudes like OP's all the time on campus. I'm thinking to myself, why don't I just join them? Rather than be some dude with a less impressive physique but can cope with an imaginary natty card. I don't want to become some massive freak like Seid, just a fake natty like OP. How bad can 12 weeks on Test E and Var actually fuck me up? I think hardly at all, and I'll reap the benefits for a long time.

      >I would see dudes like OP's all the time on campus. I'm thinking to myself, why don't I just join them?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol I don't know if you should quote me on that to support your argument, at Uni I felt horribly depressed/isolated for a number of factors and that affects my judgement 100%
        >be me
        >go to Uni
        >cannot figure out socializing for the life of me
        >Have had gfs, not completely autistic, dress well
        >still couldn't get laid
        >even had women throwing themselves at me at some points
        >only ever get invited to one party
        >Uglier dudes than me could get women
        >Regardless, walking around I just knew the healthy-looking/probably frauding bros were getting laid all the time
        >I wasn't
        >Become a somewhat bitter gymcel

        So your point stands, but also don't deny that women love nice bodies as much as men do. I know for a fact my autistic chubby friends from my hometown weren't even in the running for this stuff at their Unis. I was, solely because I had an okay body, but ultimately failed because of my autistic tendencies.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They thirst for his face. When will you fags ever realise this?

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Majority are females
    I doubt that

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    .org user spotted

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >under 150 lbs
    So he's a woman or a child.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    he looks almost perfect, save for that UGLY bellybutton. surgery to fix that hernia and he'll be a 10/10

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do men roid when the peak female gaze physique is well within the natural limit?
    From what I can tell there are a few reasons
    >Pressured into it
    >Underestimate negative effects
    >Want muscles without the effort
    Not all men who work out do it for women tho, I just do bc I feel like shit when I don't, all the other stuff are bonuses

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Important question, how much money does he make. Asking for a friend. That friend is me.

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This man is 100% on something. You don't walk around with shoulders that round without it, my dude.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      dyel? he of course got a pump before

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You think that guy is not on steroids?

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most women are just into skinny dyels that are 6’2” and get turned off by ‘try hards’. After all, how can you be obsessed with her if you are already obsessed with yourself?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Women get the ick from men that are obsessed with them. They get enough of those men on social media.
      Having a healthy hobby that you might be a bit obsessed with is a green flag to them, just don't tell them every detail.

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The same reason already pretty girls wake up at 6 in the morning to spend two hours caking on six layers of makeup. At a certain point it stops being about attracting the opposite gender and starts being a completely unrelated obsession.

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    he's dyel, fucking retard.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >under 150lbs

    No fren, he's probably around 180 if he's 6 ft.

    Fuckin delusional skinny fags.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      he's right the dude in OP is 5"7 at most

      >under 150 lbs
      So he's a woman or a child.

      >He's likely 6ft and under 150 lbs

      Discredited yourself. Take your insulin.

      This isn't natural.Even roiding, this isn't possible at 150lbs at 6ft. He's 5'6 if that's true.

      Sage Northcutt is 6ft and fought at 155lbs in the UFC.

      If you have a wide shoulderspan and small waist, you can look fantastic at a light weight and it is frankly ideal for health and athletics. I believe it's part of the reason why women subconsciously like this body type so much.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but you dont look like that as a natural, you can have the same stats but not the visual look.

        you will be incredibly flat and small, not full and thick like that.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't he water cut for weigh in? He's probably walking around much heavier than that

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's a rather generous mandible.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because people are either too lazy to put in the hard work, or they've poisoned their brains with gnomish propaganda and have body dysmorphia as a result.

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Im not saying that isnt natty achievable,
    As there are obviously much bigger and diced who are natty.
    That being said, 90 percent of dudes who like that are juicing

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do men roid
    Mental illness or laziness.

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why isn't everyone trying to be a mentally ill twink who looks dyel when he puts on a shirt and whose entire ego depends on numbers on social media?
    I dunno anon.

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >female gaze
    ngmi

  59. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think we're missing the obvious answer here... the dude has great facial genetics. doesnt take much more than that to get women simping for you.

  60. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how long would it take me to reach OP's mode from picrel? if I reach it will I still be a wfhcel who never leaves the house, no social media, only online friends and hasn't had sex since college, or do I get his life too?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Age
      Height
      What's your routine?
      How long have you been lifting?
      Lifts

      Answer me gay

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        age: late 20s

        height: manlet

        routine:unconventional.. main gym doesn't have barbells. a lot of cables, DB stuff and machines. I use smith machine a lot too for pressing. Recently I started going to a better gym once a week to deadlift to improve core strength and prevent injuries. I workout a lot and hard but not necessarily doing the most efficient lifts (as in compounds w/ free weight)

        I don't train legs in the gym but run every day. One hard track workout and 1 moderate to hard steady run rest of the days running slow and easy. Do about 40 miles per week.

        how long lifting: 9 months lifting, about 18 months running

        lifts again hard to say because of my training not doing the normal lifts. Also being newer to lifting and short/lightweight my numbers wouldn't be that great but pound-for-pound they are probably decent especially in ohp/bench I can surely hit 1x and 1.5x bw in those deadlift bmy best has been 2xbw for 2 but might be able to do a bit more as well. I normally am doing DOH without strap/belt/chalk etc where my grip strength tends to give out at the higher weights.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >will I still be a wfhcel who never leaves the house...
      you know the answer to that
      >how long would it take me to reach OP's mode from picrel?
      a good cut. hard to maintain, though.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >looks like that
      >still cant get laid
      There is no hope in this world

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah he's just a pussy. if you look like that you can walk into any decently crowded club and straight up ask 100 women if they want to go back to yours and one will say yes.

  61. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your pic related is roiding look the shoulders and chest development compared to the rest of his body

  62. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because I am ugly, so I have to compensate with a good physique.

  63. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He is still roiding though

    That’s what you newfags don’t get

    Everyone on instagram is roiding

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