Pic related has been going to the gym for 4 years yet looks dyel af,seen lots of people like him,why?Are steroids a must?Or whats the problem here?Seems widespread.
Why do most people look like this after years at the gym?
Pic related has been going to the gym for 4 years yet looks dyel af,seen lots of people like him,why?Are steroids a must?Or whats the problem here?Seems widespread.
they don't have low body fat and they aren't roiding
>they don't have low body fat and they aren't roiding
Hard to tell if this kid's trolling or really this fricking stupid. Whenever zoomers millennials get zero results lifting they always use the steroid excuse.
Keep spending your evenings playing fricking hopscotch on the machines and "lifting" with ZERO intensity.
They go inconsistently and when they do go they lift baby weights that dont stimulate their muscles and they go home
shit program & not understanding what you're doing
these 2 are enough to make you stall forever
Machines are shit and he needs to cut. Many gyms only have machines.
They just do machines with low weight and bad form, spend weeks without going to the gym and eat like shit/smoke/drink alcohol
Bad programming, not knowing how to push themselves physically, and not being lean enough to show the results well. Even a saw a video recently where people were challenged to go to actual failure and a dyel went to 16 reps when he said that at the weight he was using he'd normally stop at 8-10 reps
It’s mostly this. Greg doucette is a pretentious dickhead but he’s right about harder than last time. If you don’t make every workout harder than the last one your body will stop changing.
Yes and no. You need to advance in weight at a steady pace. If you go too far too fast you'll end up hurting yourself and that'll limit you.
Can you try and dig that vid up? Would like to know more
Either they lift on and off with a shit diet, or they've just lost motivation. I know a guy who used to look like a Men's Health cover model and after getting enough pussy he got bored and stopped caring as much. Nowadays he has softened up and he kinda looks like the guy in your pic, but with more muscle mass.
Shit consistency and shit effort. Muscular hypertrophy is a physiological adaptation to trauma that will not occur in homeostasis. Most people do not lift hard enough or enough period. What mechanical tension is there to even adapt to? Curling the 15's? Sets of 50 pounds on the chest press machine that are all like 10 reps shy of failure?
#1 reason people don't get results in anything is because they overestimate the efficacy of what they're doing.
primarily high bodyfat.
see how good this guy looked at fricking 125lbs? the amount of lean muscle mass and strength you need to look good is ridiculously low. I mean literally, 125lbs.
i know so many people who look like fricking dogshit at 180lbs even though they are packing a lot more muscle. now im not saying that op's guy trains perfectly and he couldnt look bigger and builtfat after 4 years but the major reason why most people look bad is that they have too high bodyfat. they would pack enough muscle but just never cut. They go from like 28% to 20% at leanest then make a thread about how they cant get rid of stubborn bodyfat, gyno etc.
That's literally me in the last sentence. What should I do?
My lifts are: 60/90/140/160 kgs in 1234
This guy is like 5'5"
So?
125 at 5'9 is skelly weight dude. This guy is 5'5 tops
His point still stands imo.
For average and short people you dont need to be over 70kgs to look great.
And if you are tall make It 80kgs at most unless you are freaky tall like 195cm or something.
I'm 5'7" and I'm gonna be 200lbs lean. Leaving humanity and gay dyels behind.
Lol, this one time in the gym there was this philipino manlet who was severely overcompensating for his height so he got jacked as all frick, but as soon as he had to stand on the bench to grab the bar for the lat pulldown cable machine I lost all respect for him and laughed
For natties bodyfat% is everything. Natties look like ass above 15% or so, and really they have to be under 12% to look "good".
Leanbulking and maingaining has scourged amateurs everywhere; the average guy thinks eating barely above maintenance is sufficient to make gains. Without fail I assure you these dudes think eating an extra sandwich and a scoop of protein powder is all they need
it is you dumb frick you at most need like 200 calories surplus a day.
power shitter FAt OBESE FRICKING moron
>it is you dumb frick you at most need like 200 calories surplus a day. power shitter FAt OBESE FRICKING moron
I kinda look like OP and it's 100% eating too little, and too little protein.
People saying it's working out with too low weights are both right and wrong as you can't lift heavy if you don't eat to build muscle.
Lmao he doesn't even look like he can do 1/2/3/4 which everyone should strive for.
couldn't disagree more. the guys that look bad always have high bodyfat and soft physique = they eat too much. kinda like op but most are even worse. sure they dont train right either but if you have flab it means you are fat because you eat too much.
NTA. A study showed that you are very likely to maintain BF% while you bulk. Meaning if you start fat you'll most likely stay fat as you gain muscle. Recomping is a meme.
Cut first then bulk for maximum efficiency. Any noob gains made while cutting are just a nice bonus.
I'm not sure you know what recomping means.
If you are bulking you aren't recomping you are just bulking. Recomping means eating slightly below maintenance and that your study does not cover.
Recomping is short for recompositioning. Meaning you're trying to lose massive amounts of fat while also building massive amounts of muscle.
>Durrr I'm going to eat slightly more
>Wtf why am I not building muscle as fast as my friend?
>Wtf why am I not losing fat as fast as my other friend?
Recomping is moronic have a nice day homosexual.
>A study showed that you are very likely to maintain BF% while you bulk.
It entirely depends on how much you eat, moron... What the frick.
>maingaining
Yes
>leanbulking
No
Tf is maingaining?
Light weights
I started my fitness montage not by enrolling at a gym but by bulking, doing squats, push ups, chin ups at home. I started showing definition within 2 months.
Exercises are supposed to strain you. I understand not wanting to be an exhausted mess but eventually the weights must be increment
Also this. Newbies think "oh i want abs so I should eat less". They don't understand that bulking and cutting are two distinct processes. This is prime lack of research.
I fell into this trap and felt like absolute shit for the duration. I was working out and then coming home only to eat salad (it was the only "healthy" thing i knew) like a catwalk model. It was by the second week i searched on the internet and realised what a moron i had been
recomp works especially for fatoids
Hahahaha how are you so fricking confident in being wrong
You honestly think that the answer is to eat in a huge surplus
WHY do powershitters keep fricking spewing this nonsense
MUSCLE AND FAT TISSUE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF TISSUE
YOU CAN ONLY BUILD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MUSCLE AS A NATTY PER YEAR
EATING A HUGE SURPLUS DOES NOT MEAN YOU BUILD MORE FRICKING MUSCLE
Can you post body?
>cut to sub 15% bf
>bulk up to 18% then cut again
Is this the perfect plan for gaining muscles and still looking great all the time?
Yes. cut sub 12% for photoshoots and pool/beach day
It's probably because of low-lighting.
Don't bulk as a natty, it's a druggie meme. Eat enough that your lifts are increasing, and no more. Natties don't build muscle anywhere near fast enough to justify roider bulk calorie intakes. The people who shill for bulking are fatties with eating disorders who want others to validate their food addictions. After 2 years of slow and steady gains you will be in exactly the same place as the guy who did a bulk, except your skin will be in better shape.
>Eat enough that your lifts are increasing
So... bulk?
Isn't bulking just eating anything above maintenance?
Once I'm done cutting, the plan is to just stop counting calories, keep lifting, watch my weight and go back to cutting once I'm at 18% again.
Eating a couple hundred calories excess isn't "bulking". Beginners don't even need any surplus whatsoever, the mere hormonal adaptations alone will yield good gains. A serious bodybuilding bulk will be at least 500 calories surplus usually more because when you're on gear your body partitions those excess calories much better. When I used to blast I could eat more than 1000 calories surplus and not even get fat.
So you just changed the definition of bulking to fit your narrative. Cool
I look like this when I haven't worked out in ages. Lad is just a DYEL, simple as.
no cardio
Speak for yourself, I look fricking insane after 4 years
The reason why I look good is because I have good exercise selection and I bust my ass in the gym. I also don't do powerlifting routines (I don't even deadlift)
It's pretty easy. Go to failure or near to it and stop resting a lot
It's a combination of things. To be really successful in the gym, you have to be controlled about everything. Progressive overload, diet, sleep.
Most people severely underestimate the importance of diet especially. You can go in the gym and train your ass off, but if you're neglecting your protein intake, or overeating, you're going to make shit progress and end up looking like ass.
Plus yeah natty lifting is a meme. Who knows what this guy looked liked 4 years ago.
It would have ottermode going on which is all you really need to impress normies and women but he refuses to have an actual diet to get to the below 15% bodyfat that you need to look like you actual go to the gym.
You don't need 15% bf to look like you go to the gym.
How much bodyfat do you think that is?
inconsistency (diet and lifting). most dudes that look like this go twice a week and have months breaks inbetween because of "not feeling it" excuses etc.
Imo what really "transforms" you, even as a natty is being consistent, even if you aren't always giving it 100% it still adds up to a pretty fit body if you just GO
afaik AAS administration upregulates androgen receptors
It doesn't change their sensitivity. That is basically set at birth.
That's why some people respond better to androgens than others.
Men with androgen receptor insensitivity syndrome get nothing out of any amount of testosterone or steroids. Their bodies remain in the female form despite their xy chromosomes.
>It doesn't change their sensitivity. That is basically set at birth.
>That's why some people respond better to androgens than others.
no objection
what i was trying to get at is, even if you are a low responder, AAS will give you more receptors and permanantly increase your natty potential
(if you decide to pct and go back to natty lifting, nowadays most people just BnC)
>what i was trying to get at is, even if you are a low responder, AAS will give you more receptors and permanantly increase your natty potential
>(if you decide to pct and go back to natty lifting, nowadays most people just BnC)
I though AAS increased muscle cell myonuclei.
The increased androgen receptors should go back to baseline after stopping, but you have more muscle cell nuclei than before to grow into new muscle cells, which should increase your natty muscular limit.
>doomer genetic determinism post
tell me you don't lift without telling me
Ahhh the "I only use machines" typology... no leg exercises, no compound lifts, no bodyweight work, no conditioning work, just chest and arms isolation. Either that or high sneed oil consumption.
This guy fricks, he just needs to do a cut for the first time in his life and he would be set.
pic related is me after gymming for 5 years.
You don't look bad, if you cut a little you will look even better. But as you are you are good. People are just so used to Hollywood and manlet instagram roiders to the point they don't know what a decent natty physique is.
I think he looks good too. Not sure he should cut as he might lose too much size and strength.
terrible angle and lighting. im sure youd look much better with a decent pose/lighting
I look like that after 1.5 years wtf. What are you doing (or not doing)?
people here will call you small but most women and untrained men will call you jacked. wouldn't worry about it.
He is small for the timeframe of his workout. In 5 years he ought to be way bigger than that. Some men look like that after a few months or so.
Can confirm, I am an untrained twink and he looks great to me.
You made it anon. You could improve, but most of us would love to look like this. The problem is maintaining it now.
Me after 6 years of natty lifting. I could have made more gains if I ate properly from the beginning. Oh well. I still look better than 90% of the population so I'm happy with it.
NH?
What does NH mean ?
This is a very good physique. Roiding has ruined the expectations that vast majority of guys have from weight lifting.
looking good
lose weight
start lifting
Post body you fat fricks.
Did you pass the photos through some filter? Why does it look so horrible
Snapchat fricks the quality
>over the age of 21 and still using Snapchat + filters
Dear God, you gayots are hopelessly feminized.
First off, I don't use filters. And I use Snapchat to send and receive nudes, b***h.
>I use Snapchat to send and receive nudes, b***h.
are you 16?
I'm 24. But the girls I talk to are 18-22 and they all use Snapchat for some reason. I just play the game homie.
Lack of cutting, high BF, not increasing weights and reps
Someone claiming they work out could also mean they are doing 20 pushups daily and call it a day.
>eats 80g of protein a day
>doesn't really have a program, just goes to the gym and messes about on a few of the machines and hits a few sets of curls
>lifts more or less the same weight at the end of the year as he did at the start
>goes to the gym whenever he feels like it. is liable to miss weeks at a time just because
I read all over the place about protein intake and I can never find a consensus. Some places say 80% of you weight in grams, some say 200%.
I'm in pretty good shape but what would you recommend.
it's a percentage of lean body mass, most people way overeat on protein. 150g of protein is likely plenty for 95% of people on IST
100g is enough for 90% of people on IST
https://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
>Our meta-analysis found that the benefits of protein topped off at 1.6g/kg/d of total bodyweight for increases in fat-free mass
Your fat mass doesn't need protein. You probably don't have more than 80kg lean mass unless you're huge or like 6'4+. 130g of protein is more than enough for most people.
bad genetics I can relate
someone please tell me if its worth holding onto being skinnyfat or if i should go fasting
Me after 1.5 years natty lifting. I wonder what OP considers working out...
is this bait?
I was bigger than you when I was 15 lol
Lmao bro, your left titty tho, it looks deflated. I posted a while ago and got similar responses to what you got but you look even worse than I did back then.
Yeah...chest needs work..i know that. Look, i used to be super fat (135 kg) and worked my way down to 90 kg, lifting regularly and able to run 10k...so...i don't need fat anonymous ugly trannies to trash talk me...
Good job on the progress man, but if you don't want fat anon trannies to judge you, you probabaly shouldn't post. Or let the saltiness fuel your next gym sesh to push harder
You know, it's predictable and I'm doing it regardless because deep down they're the ones seething....else they wouldn't need to trash talk other anons. Yeah, i am not super ripped and you can see i used to be a fat ass, but compared to someone's lifting for 5 years, it's a whole different level... and that was the point of my post.
>Hurrr is this bait?
Fricking demoralized homosexuals on this board i swear.
Most people suck at fitness. They don’t sleep right, they don’t eat right, they follow shit programs or no program at all, and use bad form. A lot of guys take steroids and you wouldn’t even expect it because they train like shit so they don’t make any gains.
They waste time in the gym, don't maximize reps. These tools will hog up and rest on the equipment for 8 minutes while they check their phone for stupid shit, watch videos, and post about how they're "in the gym."
>been lifting for 3 months
>almost entirely do compounds and recently started doing olympic lifts with some machine work as isolation
>starting to look defined
Still a fricking fat piece of shit but threads like these give me motivation. I wish I could work out more than 3 days a week bros.
lack of consistency in routine, diet and sleep
Is your training perfect? Is your sleep perfect? Is your diet perfect? Are you sure? Have you been tracking it? I myself have been shocked when I diligently tracked it. That's most likely your problem.
I've been going for a bit over a year and look similar. If i look like that in 3 years ima kms
They eat like shit. Most people would honestly look fine even without going to the gym if they cut down to ~10% bodyfat.
inconsistency and shit diet
>t. me trying to turn my shit around
i have a 9 month old baby and another on the way. i do primarily compound lifts with dumbbells because i have to watch the baby. any advice bros? routine below:
>squats/alternate with sumo deadlift on different days
>pushups/alternate with presses on different days
>pendaly rows/alternate with standing rows on different days
>ohp
>do some shit where i lift with my lower back and helps hamstrings.
help me bros. i'm limited by space and time.
>Goes twice a week
>Spend 20 mins on the treadmill mill
>Has god awful form
>His bicep curls are more full upper body cardio than an isolation
>Thinks pizza is a suitable way to hit his macros
>Skips the gym, atleast 50% of the time
Idk man, I've been doing this for 4 years and nothings working
i swear to god nobody on this board lifts weights
i try 🙁
me. no one will help.
Vegetable oil